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Title: Ex-Evangelical Grad Student Studying Fundamentalists Anonymous (for real this time)
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(Date Posted:02/19/2007 14:08:19)
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As my last personal introduction was tragically lost by way of some nonsensical computer mishap, I am now bring you the new and exciting: "Ex-Evangelical Grad Student Studying Fundamentalists Anonymous Introduction Part II." Otherwise known as: "For Real This Time."BRIf an administrator feels that it is appropriate to delete my last attempt to introduce myself, I understand.) Firstly then, yes, I am an ex-evangelical. (Interesting the way that we identify ourselves by what it is that we are not; I would love to hear people's thoughts on this.) So it is that I come to this site with my own stories and long struggles. However, I am also a student, studying what it was I once was, and those who are, or once were, it too. My grad degree is interdisciplinary, an integration of Religious Studies, Women's Studies and Creative Writing. However, my primary focus is on females and evangelicalism. Lastly, I am an artist: a writer mostly, though also a maker and performer of theatre. I've been interviewing evangelical and ex-evangelical females for the past year and a half. These interviews have helped me make sense of my still-developing academic ideas and to make art as well. My hope is to give these communities a voice through both my academic and my artistic work. Last week, I asked St. Thomas if I could also "interview" the group here by way of tooling around the site, joining in your conversations, and posing a question or two. I assured him, as I assure you, that I have only the best intentions for my work. Furthermore, I promise you that I will never directly quote anyone on the site without their explicit permission. As a couple of people mentioned in response to the failed Part I of my introduction (thank you for your comments), I do have a blog. Feel free to check it out. There you can find out a bit more about me and what I am doing, though please be aware that the blog is on the way out soon. Youthgroupgirls.blogspot.com And finally, I'd love to ask a few questions of the group! 1)I am very interested in hearing females' stories about why they left the fold. I am interested in males' stories as well, though they pertain less to my work. 2)I am interested in the language of evangelicalism/fundamentalism/etc, and also the language of those who have left these strands of Christianity. I see on your site that you seem to have developed a language all your own ("Walk Awayers," "Penties," etc. Oh, and Snakechic, what is an "SDAist?") Are there others? 3)Any thoughts on what I am doing: stories from your life, stories of others' lives, opinions, etc, are always very welcome. I am very glad to meet all of you. Let me know if you have any questions. I would be happy to answer them! Artist Ethnographer
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(Date Posted:02/19/2007 17:28:12)

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Firstly then, yes, I am an ex-evangelical. (Interesting the way that we identify ourselves by what it is that we are not; I would love to hear people's thoughts on this.)





I don't think we do. It's relevant in this forum to say where you've come from but I certainly don't go round in my everyday life describing myself as an ex-fundy. I don't mention it at all really!
In a discussion with a christian it would also be relevant - in a "mate - I've been there seen it and done it - you're not going to talk me round" way.
Hello by the way!
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2)I am interested in the language of evangelicalism/fundamentalism/etc, and also the language of those who have left these strands of Christianity. I see on your site that you seem to have developed a language all your own ("Walk Awayers," "Penties," etc. Oh, and Snakechic, what is an "SDAist?") Are there others?

Hey....my language is netspeak. & heaps of typo's.........nothing  AT ALL like how I sound if you were to speak to me face tot face. i think any online study needs to take that into account. If you were to do a content analysis of the words, inflections etc...you'd also see how it changes depending on the topic, time, and who it is I'm communicating with. Also being aware that  I have a life long habit of inventing words. I also collect  common slang,  swearwords from whatever region I'm living in or whoever I'm chatting with....I'm very interested in how people use langwidge and often will throw something into a convo, hat has recently tickled my fancy. But ...swearing...cussing is my forte....I enjoy it in my non internet time as well. I also sit back and observe the difference between posters............what kills me... is the oldie worldie flavor...and the ultra or uber 'correct' styles  or  how there is often a very event clash. Its also unfortunate but 'words' can trigger an emotional response from another poster that wasn't expected. Words in a chatroom ...phifffittt .....I was writing 'healings' the other days & thought to meself....self 'that's stupid"...why am I using a word like that?..............Sometimes I feel that to hang around online too often...the christian stuff /fundie shit is reinforced rather than dispelled..? bla bla bla bla...

Dot has already written something that I also do or  should I say ...no do in my non internet time....I don't introduce myself ..."hi I'm an atheist, I post at WA etc..nor do I ever mention that I was once a Seven Day Adentist, nor do I say...that I was born into the sect as opposed to the other differentiation...the 'born againer'... Its not that important. My identity isn't  constructed or created that way.

Quite frankly...I'm pissed to be the "subject "of  yet another students study. (nothing personal)  There have been quite a few students rocking up this way...but I haven't  received feedback to this day.... I also don't wish to be part of a religious type/christian study...there is so much of that already. I feel that its somewhat familiar  to how I felt being inside a church....to being a 'cockroach' under a microscope in that respect...that  my online presence is reduced to an ingredient to become a  product for further christian work.

I am however quite happy to yak with you without your research agenda .....but I'll understand if you don't 

 

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In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise, Christianity must convince people that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from. Christianity has nothing to offer a happy person living in a natural, intelligible universe. If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, woman(man) is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

-- George H Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

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(Date Posted:02/20/2007 08:33:01)

Thank you for your honesty, Snakechic.

I think I understand how you feel. Your equating being "studied" with being in church especially resonates with me. There's something wonderful about being able to live your life without worrying about who is watching you, without wondering what people are surmising about you, without really caring. I remember experiencing that for the first time. I was eighteen; I'd just moved to Australia; it was my first time away (so far way!) from my evangelical church. And man oh man, the freedom, the weight off of my shoulders, it was just incredible, like nothing else.

Perhaps it would help you to know though, you're not really the subject of my study; I am. I am even having other people interview me for the work. My project is basically to see which of the experiences I had in and after my time in evangelicalism were exclusively my own and which are common among many. Why? Because those negative aspects that are common among many ought to be talked about as widely as possible if we ever want to make things better. This website is one of the best ways I've run into to do that. But my being an artist, I hope to go that route as well.

That having been said, I don't really know how to talk "without my research agenda." It's kinda my life. It's kinda just...me. Me struggling to understand, trying to see where we all fit, where I do, where I can, where we can. I suppose that I DO identify as a ex-. It is such a huge part of me, one of my defining character traits, this what-I-once-was. I wonder if anyone else feels this or if it is just me...

I'll make you a deal: I'll hang around here for a few weeks, write something up, and when I'm done, I'll send it to the group, finished or not, good or no. If I want to do any further "studying" beyond that, I'll check in again and see how everyone feels about that.

Before I go, let me just say that you made a lot of interesting points in your reply, Snakechic. If you decide that you wouldn't mind my using them in my paper, let me know over the next couple of weeks.

Thanks again!
Oh, and no worries, I will definitely be taking the whole "internet language"/"internet community" thing into account...)
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(Date Posted:02/20/2007 08:34:40)

Apparently an angry emoticon shows up every time that I try to use a left parenthesis...
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(Date Posted:02/20/2007 08:50:21)

And hello to you as well Dot!
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(Date Posted:02/20/2007 09:14:24)

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Apparently an angry emoticon shows up every time that I try to use a left parenthesis...





Yes - it catches me out as well! You can edit your posts. Whenever you put a left bracket right up against the left hand side of the "page" it turns in to an angry face. Just put a space between the bracket and the edge and it doesn't happen.
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Before I go, let me just say that you made a lot of interesting points in your reply, Snakechic. If you decide that you wouldn't mind my using them in my paper, let me know over the next couple of weeks.





Perhaps it would be better to be specific about which bits you want to use and ask to quote it rather than ask for general approval to use it all?

I'm just saying that because if you asked me if you could use anything I've said I'd say no. Whereas if you said - can I quote you anonymously as saying Lee Marvin has a lovely voice - I'd probably say yes.
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I don't introduce myself as a walkawayer when I meet people because in my country religion is still somewhat a taboo subject especially the negative connotations. I joined this forum four years ago and although it took up a large part of my on-line life with daily visits to read and to post I didn't mention this forum to anybody for four months and that was only when I had been away camping with them. I was so embarassed I laughed. I kept going on about a certain member of this forum who also posted a lot when staying with a long term friend but didn't give a clue as to what the forum was about. I left him guessing and he guessed that it was a forum about keeping parrots.
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(Date Posted:02/22/2007 03:31:50)

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I left him guessing and he guessed that it was a forum about keeping parrots.

I love that...so funny.

meaning...I feel like a bloody parrot sometimes (no offense to parrots )....sittling on this here perch of mine in front of the computer. Sometime I just know I'm repeating myself.....Oh dear ...life is funny.!

"Nowat I meen"

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The forum member in question kept and bred parrots and would post pictures of them on the forum. Since I keep two cockatiels it gave rise to the idea that the forum we both belonged to was a parrot forum.

I know why I keep it a secret being a member of this forum. I don't want my alternative/atheistic/new age friends realising I once fell for born again christianity and I don't want my christian friends and those who knew me when I was a fundy knowing that not only have I given it up but I'm seeking support for the resulting hang-ups. Only those who have been members of christian sects and have walked away know about me being on this forum.
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Oh...okay....My reaction had nothing to do with what you wrote in your post as a whole...just the end bit. While I was reading it..it suddenly occurred to me ..that what I was doing was 'parrot like'  It totally tickled my funny bone so I thought I'd share the joke with you. 

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(Date Posted:02/22/2007 12:48:09)

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I know why I keep it a secret being a member of this forum. I don't want my alternative/atheistic/new age friends realising I once fell for born again christianity and I don't want my christian friends and those who knew me when I was a fundy knowing that not only have I given it up but I'm seeking support for the resulting hang-ups. Only those who have been members of christian sects and have walked away know about me being on this forum.





Yes - I agree. It's too embarrassing to tell many of my non-christian friends that I fell for it and all but two of my christian friends turned out to only like me when i was going to their church. Of the two that are still my friends (they went to a different church anyway) - I haven't told them! But I also don't see them very often so it's easy to avoid the subject (so far).
Even if I did tell them I wouldn't want them to know that I seek support for it because they would exploit that to try and convince me I needed to go back. AND I wouldn't want them to read what I was writing about them (and know it was me) because they'd probably be very upset.
Sorry I'm just repeating what you said - but I agree.
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Sorry I'm just repeating what you said - but I agree.

oh no.!....you'll get me started again... too late...I'm off...

 

"polly want a cracker.".

 

 

 

what not funny...?

monty python's "upperclass twit of the year"

I'm buggering off now...

 

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(Date Posted:02/22/2007 14:22:06)

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Reply to : Dot ..Sorry I'm just repeating what you said - but I agree.oh no.!....you'll get me started again...too late...I'm off..."polly want a cracker.".what not funny...?





OH! Ha ha ha! I didn't even realise! How funny!

Awww - I love silliness.

chicky chic chic - is Hot Fuzz ahowing in the land Down Under? If so go see it - it's very funny and silly (and a little bit gruesome in some small bits)
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Thanks for your thoughts on that question. So the "Anonymous" in Fundamentalists Anonymous is key for a bunch of you, yeah?

The reason I asked was because I noticed that many people's screen names were related to their past in the church--eg: Used2Be, ExMissionary, etc. Also, I personally tend to announce my past in the church with folks far quicker than I mention most anything else. All the more now that I study it, but even before that. I think I've always been somewhat obsessed with the who I was and the what I believed back then, baffled by it all but understanding it as well. And wanting to understand it better from the position I now hold as an outsider...

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Oh...okay....My reaction had nothing to do with what you wrote in your post as a whole...just the end bit. While I was reading it..it suddenly occurred to me ..that what I was doing was 'parrot like'It totally tickled my funny bone so I thought I'd share the joke with you.





I laughed too as keeping parrots is a very different topic than fundamentalist christianity though me and said forum member both kept caged birds.
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(Date Posted:02/23/2007 01:46:06)

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Thank you for your honesty, Snakechic.I think I understand how you feel. Your equating being "studied" with being in church especially resonates with me. .Perhaps it would help you to know though, you're not really the subject of my study; I am. I am even having other people interview me for the work. My project is basically to see which of the experiences I had in and after my time in evangelicalism were exclusively my

No I don't think you do understand how I feel...or how I think at all.. I don't like the way you assume that  I'm nuts for not wanting to be part of your research nor the idea that you could talk me round by making a 'deal'..? I 'm a wee bit pissed that you asked this  question......'If you decide that you wouldn't mind my using them in my paper, let me know over the next couple of weeks."

...I repeat....I don't want to be included in this  kind of student research study/ assignment - I don't agree with the methods -  1 of gaining 'approval' from the admin of this chatroom and accessing the entire chatroom contents - including past members who are not able to give you their personal approval. etc. etc.

I think I make that pretty clear in my last post... to quote...." I also don't wish to be part of a religious type/christian study...there is so much of that already. I feel that its somewhat familiar  to how I felt being inside a church....to being a 'cockroach' under a microscope in that respect...that  my online presence is reduced to an ingredient to become a  product for further christian work. "

I'm not interested with the idea 'that it will make things better'...that is your research agenda not mine. By definition..we are all researchers - we all compare our experiences with others at some stage..but surely the individual has a choice where 'it'  ends up. I'm ethically opposed to more christian based research. Btw....do I look like a person who'd agree to 'market' research for any kind of product.

Again....I repeat what a fellow member has replied to your general inquiry...".it would be better to be specific about which bits you want to use and ask to quote it rather than ask for general approval to use it all? "

I think that makes things pretty clear.....& I'm not sure you gave a clear answer to that.

 


 

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(Date Posted:02/23/2007 01:50:33)

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OH! Ha ha ha! I didn't even realise! How funny!Awww - I love silliness.chicky chic chic - is Hot Fuzz ahowing in the land Down Under? If so go see it - it's very funny and silly (and a little bit gruesome in some small bits)


I laughed too as keeping parrots is a very different topic than fundamentalist christianity though me and said forum member both kept caged birds


Glad you both got a chuckle....I'm not aware of HOT FUZZ...but I'll check the papers...  Chrips...you'd love it where I am...I'm surrounded by birds..heaps & heaps of parrots. SOmetimes when I'm on the phone the other person online comments how noisy the birds are.

*I'll squawk off now*

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(Date Posted:02/23/2007 13:00:17)

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I'm not aware of HOT FUZZ...but I'll check the papers...





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Last week, I asked St. Thomas if I could also "interview" the group here by way of tooling around the site, joining in your conversations, and posing a question or two. I assured him, as I assure you, that I have only the best intentions for my work. Furthermore, I promise you that I will never directly quote anyone on the site without their explicit permission.



I don't personally have a problem with asking questions.  I might suggest that for evey question you have, you may wish to start a separate thread, say in the Lion's Den.  Then everything won't be jumbled together, as this thread is with your introduction, and then your questions.  Plus, people who don't wish to participate can simply not reply to your thread.


 



1)I am very interested in hearing females' stories about why they left the fold. I am interested in males' stories as well, though they pertain less to my work.



 

My reasons were mulitple.  Let me give you my background, in case you haven't found my introduction here yet.

I was taken to a very fundamentalist holiness church as a child, though we did not go all the time and my parents did not expect us to follow every little thing they taught, for example we could dress fairly normally in the everyday world, and only conformed to strict dress codes when we attended church functions.  We stopped attending this church when I was around 12-13 years old.

I did not go to church for the remainder of my teen years and early twenties.  I was curious about God and spirituality, but had rejected the strict fundamentalist teachings of my childhood church.  But most of my problems lay in another area.  I really did not have that much guidance growing up, was very shy, and lacked life skills and the confidence that I could be independent.  At the same time, I hated being dependent on my parents and yearned for my own life, but didn't know what to do about it.  The whole of my growing up experience was in following the rules that others put in place, whether at home, school or church, and I did not know how to go about analyzing my own options and choices as an adult.  I was very depressed at this time.  Reading some self-help books gave me some coping skills, but I still had no direction. 

At this point, I was also reading books on Christianity.  Not the ones by Pat Robertson or Billy Graham, but books by those who seemed to have a more educated air about them, not so down home and back woods, so to speak.  I prefered what looked intellectual over the emotional.  So I found and read C. S. Lewis, Francis Schaeffer and others who sounded more philosophical than preachy.  And I fell for it.  I thought that, if Christianity didn't have to be so stringent and fundamentalist, that you could be a Christian and care about society and work within it instead of separating yourself from it, then I could follow it and believe.  I also felt that Jesus could help me become more mature, and guide and protect me in my life choices.  I finally felt like I had discovered somebody that could help me.  I prayed and earnestly repented.  This was when I was 25 years old.  Within two weeks, I was attending an evangelical church that had the same roots as my childhood church, they just weren't as strict.  This was a mistake, as I thought (at that time) that being evangelical was different than fundamentalism, which I wanted nothing to do with.  I wanted the internal experience, not the rigidity of outward regulation.  I threw myself into the Christian life, and gave my all.  My whole social life was built around church.  I did manage to obtain employment, save money, buy a house, and in general become more independent.  I thought it was because Jesus was helping and guiding me, but now I realize that it was some inner strength that I had all along within me, to find the right thing to do.  I just felt that I needed a support under me before I could really step out to do things, and Jesus was my support to me at that time. 

Anyway, to keep things short (ha ha, I could write a book!), the years passed by.  I remained at this church, volunteering my time and my money.  But after awhile, I became uneasy.  I thought there should be more, that a lot of things going on in the life of the church and with the members weren't really that different than those who were unbelievers.  I began reading about different Christian practices, from Charismatic to Catholic to Mennonite.  I thought maybe my church didn't "have it all" so to speak.  I was becoming upset by the mix of religion and politics, as I thought politics was of this world.  I had even stopped voting, as I saw all the parties as compromising on Christian issues.  I wasn't giving up on Jesus yet, I just thought that I needed to find what really was the Truth.  My search for this Truth was what really propelled me out of Christianity. 

I began reading materials on spiritual topics that would not be considered orthodox by a long shot.  Many of them were of what might be called metaphysical studies.  I was strangely invigorated by reading this type of subject, I think because it was because I saw that there were other ways to live, to be spiritual, to find yourself, other than the evangelical Christian way.  Plus, many of the metaphysical subjects drew on other cultures and religions, which gave me expanding insights and new ways of thinking about spirituality.  I didn't feel so trapped as I had in my years following traditional Christianity.  I was also reminded of the history of Christianity, its oppression and persecution of those who would not convert or follow the approved doctrines, how it had controlled much of society in the West, destroyed or changed information about other early Christiainities (oh yes, there were others besides Pauline Christianity) and "pagan" beliefs, etc.  I had known some of this info before becoming a Christian, but in my desperation to find something that I could lean on, I brushed it off as being the story of "false" Christianity, while I talked myself into believing that what I gave my life to was "real, True" Christianity. 

Now that I had come to doubt this "real, True" Christianity I was ready to leave it behind.  I gradually withdrew from my positions in the church, and eventually I told my pastor I was leaving.  I wasn't totally truthful with him, as I didn't want to hear a sermon preached at me for saying that I didn't believe Christianity was correct or the One True Way anymore.  I simply said I was unhappy with the traditionalism in the church, the lack of change, and I wanted something different.  All of which was true, of course, just not the full story.  He probably thought that I wanted a more liberal Christian church.  I went a bit further than that; I went Unitarian-Universalist!

So, I guess I primarily left because 1.) I became uncomfortable with how the church was no different from the world  2.) I began to question and disagree with the teachings 3.) I disapproved of the mixing of politics and religion in my church and nation 4.) I was no longer in need of its supposed strength and support, as I recognized that I had learned to deal with life on my own 5.) I found other systems of spiritual thought to have value, while I found that Christianity had much that was questionable about it,  and most importantly 6.) I came to the conclusion that I had to think for myself, and not just follow whatever someone wanted me to follow. 


 



2)I am interested in the language of evangelicalism/fundamentalism/etc, and also the language of those who have left these strands of Christianity. I see on your site that you seem to have developed a language all your own ("Walk Awayers," "Penties," etc. Oh, and Snakechic, what is an "SDAist?") Are there others?


I don't use any special language that I use in day-to-day life.  There are some terms that turn up online as you have found.  I sometimes use the term "fundigelicals" to describe the whole right-wing of the Christian church.  They are actually two similar birds, it's just that evangelicals like to present themselves in a more gentle manner than the fire-and-brimstone fundamentalists.  But I now view evangelicalism as "fundy lite".  There's still alot of control issues going on with them, and they often work closely with more extreme churches.  The words "fundy" and "fundies" are quite commonly used by us.  Can't think of others off the top of my head, though I'm sure there are more. 

 

 



 

 

 

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Thank you for your responses everyone.

At this point, I am going to take your advice, Shadowself, and create some specific question-based threads in the Lions Den. Just to clarify, as before, those who would rather not be a part of my study can simply choose not to reply to the threads. And again, those who do respond will never be directly quoted without their permission.

Thank you for your story Shadowself. The Unitarian church seems to have quite a collection of ex's. My friend was actually attending a religious recovery support group through her Unitarian church in Wisconsin at one time. Before speaking with St. Thomas, I was considering trying to find such a group in New York, but decided that this online forum would draw a broader base of people together.

And I LOVE both "fundigelicals" and "fundy lite." Do you mind if I put those in my notes (meaning, possible use them for something someday), Shadowself?

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And I LOVE both "fundigelicals" and "fundy lite." Do you mind if I put those in my notes (meaning, possible use them for something someday), Shadowself?

Of course you may.  "Fundigelicals" isn't an original term from me; I saw it somewhere else on the web and I jumped on it.  I've used the expression "fundy lite" before on this forum; don't know if it's used anywhere else or not.  My theory is, if you post it on the internet without a copyright, it's out there for everybody to see, and for everybody to use. 

 

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