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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 00:26:29)
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Gentlemen Moderators,I have received a few "concerns" - not exactly complaints - about snakechick's rather graphic avatar. I have just now PM'ed snakechick asking her if she might consider a less provocative one. I include the text below. Though I do have the power to remove it myself, I think I shall ask very kindly first for voluntarily removing it first. The power of ownership can be a very delicate issue and not one to be forced.The points I make in the message I sent about children hold true. But, I also think that some civility should be maintained (as much as possible anyway) in not intentionally trying to offend those who may be just stepping out of the bonds of fundamentalism. Something like the blatent images in Snakechick's avatar would be a definate turn away for these folks. As always, I wish your comments. Thanks.Hi, Snakechick. I trust all is well. I suspect you may have been expecting someone to comment about your rather "suggestive" avatar. Alas, the time has come. I wonder if you may possible choose one that is a bit less provocative? A few members who have children have informed me that they normally read this board at home and feel quite uncomfortable with having such images in view of their children. Also, some of our members who read this forum from school or library have expressed concern that they may be unable to continue to do so because they are in public areas. As a librarian I can give first hand accounts of the crack down on ?pornographic? sites and images in public and school libraries. Censorship it is indeed, but a reality we must live with.I appreciate your cooperation and assistance, snakechick, and hope to see more of your comments on the board.Thank you.
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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 00:34:06)

I think you're probably right, although I could stare at it for hours!

I'm going to go get one last look!

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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 00:36:06)

I just saw that snakechick just changed her (I assume it is a "her" anyway) avatar from a copulating couple to a (slightly less pornographic) animated gif of a blond pulling down her pants and showing her g-stringed bottom.  I suppose the former avatar of a masterbating Jesus was worse - relatively speaking. 

In any case I suspect it is time to post some basic policies that include what kinds of avatars are unacceptable for the good of our community.  I'm sure open for suggestions, guys.   Any thoughts on avatar policing???

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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 00:53:15)

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I think you're probably right, although I could stare at it for hours!I'm going to go get one last look!

I assume you may be talking about the blond with the g-string - which is actually more entertaining - and greatly less provocative - than the former copulating couple.  SO the avatar line "taste" line was crossed, but seems to have been crossed back from.  Panties in public are not nearly so bad as copulating in public (to most folks).  Question is: where DO we draw the line?  Awaiting input.......

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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 01:18:55)

Another wrinkle - I just realized that there are at least two different members involved here with almost the same name.  One has a copulating couple and the OTHER one has the g-string girl (these two members are from Greece and the Ukraine respectively for what its worth):

Snakechick's Avatar is: 

 

Snake Chic's Avatar is:

 

YOU make the call.... standing by.

 

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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 02:01:54)

Oh, I was just talking about the blonde's butt.  No definitely should not have copulating couples!

So the butt's staying?  I'm fine with it either way.  Well, actually, I like the butt.  But if anybody's offended by it, I would ask her to remove it voluntarily.

I was a little concerned about the Jesus as stud avatar somebody was using a while back.

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Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."

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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 06:16:02)

Did either of you guys see this picture she posted in the Humor Therapy room? It really is pornographic. I guess we're going to have to lay down the law and put an end to this. We do want to make Walk Away a place where teenagers can hang out also.

I also checked the member list and found there are two "snakechick" user IDs. One has the "k" on the end; the other ends at the "c". There aren't any I was able to find with an embedded space. It is the "snakechick" ID that does have the copulating couple. I vote we should ask this person to change their Avatar. This does bring up the old problem of posting pictures with nudity, however, and I remember Dok getting upset because I asked him to tone things down. It's the age old problem of "what is obscene?"
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(Date Posted:11/05/2004 09:24:20)

See what Voltaire?

Anyway, all joking aside, I'd just as soon participants not have sexually graphic avatars of any sort, even the blonde.  But some people come here because they are trying to express themselves beyond repression they'd experienced before, so I think we ought to let some of it slide.  But overtly pornographic stuff is a bit over the top.

Has Snakechic gotten back to you?

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Student to Harvey Pekar: "It"s hard enough trying to convince people that socialism is a good thing without basing your argument on some abstract theory of human nature. Plato tried and failed. Fourier tried and failed. Marx tried and failed. Sartre tried and failed."

Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."

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(Date Posted:11/06/2004 09:31:34)

I had an error in the HTML in my post. I've fixed it now. Drummond is right about this being a place where people can cut loose from their repressive pasts. That's one reason why I try to be as uncensorial as possible.

Snakechick has sent me quite a few PMs in the last severl weeks because we have similar issues (Ex-SDA, overbearing mothers, distant fathers) and have had some pretty good conversations. The reason she sent me PMs was she is sure some members of her former cult have followed her here, and didn't want everything she had to talk about out in the open for them to see. She also has had a bitter experience on another forum where the owner did som nasty things to her. To make things worse, the forum was supposed to be for the purpose of people trying to get out of her cult. In other words the place where she went to recover from abuse abused her.

We need to take these things into consideration as we deal with her.
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(Date Posted:11/08/2004 01:34:06)

I have contacted Snakechick about her avatar, on Friday  but she has yet to read my message.  I suppose I shall wait a few more days before removing her avatar myself.  As we introduce our online community (with a new web page) it will be an excellent opportunity to post some forum/community guidelines/policies.  Drummond, being a lawyer and all... want to give it a rough draft shot??  We  can use it as a start for discussion.
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(Date Posted:11/10/2004 00:11:13)

I have yet to get a response from Snakechick.  So, I have deleted her avatar. 
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(Date Posted:11/14/2004 03:24:14)

Well, Snakechick, reposted a non-copulating avatar.  Still a bit suggestive, but much better I suppose.  Guess we need to work on some concrete policiies.  Drummond, any suggestions??
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(Date Posted:11/23/2004 16:53:04)

Drummond and Voltaire,

I must revisit this "graphic sensitivity" issue.  In realizing that this is supposed to be a support forum for those leaving or trying to leave fundyism, as well as those of us who view this site in public places, I think we need to start being very cognizant of this fact.

Obviously the copulating couple was WAY over the line. And the porn pics that Voltaire pointed out are just as obvious.   However, as much as I like to look at it myself, I am uncomfortable with viewing this site - in a public place like the library in which I work - which has an animated blond dropping her knickers and flashing her butt (as in Snake Chic's avatar) .  Playful - yes. But, not appropriate for this venue I think.

 

I just want you two to know.  I believe as we move to a more high profile presence with our web community (hopefully soon) we are going to have to start being more prudent.  I am sending Snake Chik a request to reconsider his avatar.  Please let me know your thoughts.  All of this is going to require more

I must revisit this "graphic sensitivity" issue.  In realizing that this is supposed to be a support forum for those leaving or trying to leave fundyism, as well as those of us who view this site in public places, I think we need to start being very cognizant of this fact.

Obviously the copulating couple was WAY over the line. And the porn pics that Voltaire pointed out are just as obvious.   However, as much as I like to look at it myself, I am uncomfortable with viewing this site - in a public place like the library in which I work - which has an animated blond dropping her knickers and flashing her butt (as in Snake Chic's avatar) .  Playful - yes. But, not appropriate for this venue I think.

 

I just want you two to know.  I believe as we move to a more high profile presence with our web community (hopefully soon) we are going to have to start being more prudent.  I am sending Snake Chik a request to reconsider his avatar.  Please let me know your thoughts.  This will require more diligence on our parts.  Looks like it may be time to hire some more mods. Thanks.

 

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(Date Posted:11/23/2004 17:02:25)

This is my message to snake chic.  I suppose we could use it as a basis for a general policy.

 

 Please reconsider your choice of an Avatar.  While your explanation of being "playful" is well taken, for reasons stated earlier involving fundys coming here for support to walk away as well as the fact that this forum is viewed in public areas (schools and libraries), we (the mods) believe that these sensibilities should be taken into account.  We don't like to censor, but a certain decorum needs to be maintained at least in the support forum of this board.  Unfortunately, an avatar goes into EVERY forum.  A less provocative avatar would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks for your understanding and support.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

 

 

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(Date Posted:11/23/2004 20:15:34)

I agree actually, though I like the avatar.  My wife thinks it's obnoxious though, and if she feels that way, people of much more conservative sensibilities even more.

I think maybe go public with the discussion and concerns and see if it solves itself on a voluntary basis.  But the primary purpose of this forum is to provide support, not make statements against prudishness or censorship.  There are plenty other forums for those purposes.

 

 

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Harvey Pekar: "Well maybe I c"n learn from their mistakes."

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RE:Snakechick's Avatar
(Date Posted:11/19/2007 14:54:50)

I'm so glad all that got sorted.

hehehehhehehehehee

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RE:Snakechick's Avatar
(Date Posted:11/19/2007 15:13:16)

seriously..

 

seems I was judged without being given the oppportunity to explain. Oh well....that's the internet for you.

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