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(Date Posted:04/17/2003 01:48:56)
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Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?This is something I just came across while doing a bit of bible-debunking study. I posted this same question on a fundy message board I used to belong to, but the only replies I have gotten, are people claiming that it points to the validity of the text, or to ask me if I believe the bible is god's word. I've been evasive with them so far, because I'm really interested in what rationalization there could be for having two chapters be exactly the same.Has anyone ever discussed this before? Any thoughts?
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(Date Posted:04/17/2003 01:58:31)

This is pretty amusing by the way:

 

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(Date Posted:04/19/2003 06:58:31)

There can only be one reason the writers of kings copied the older book of Isaiah. Remember the collection of books we now have did not exist at that time. In some cases the quoted texts have been lost, the quote ensures that portion of the text survives with the book of Kings.
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(Date Posted:04/22/2003 16:35:09)

Well my curiosity got the better of me and I drug out the old Bible and looked up what you said. From what I can tell, at the end of the passage in 2 Kings 20, it says "isn't this all written in the book of the kings of Judah?" So it's acknowledged in the text that it is elsewhere. Kinda goofy, whatever. I don't think it necessarily demonstrates any real contradiction or error ... more to me it's like an illustration of how the Hebrew scriptures weren't really meant to be read like a cohesive story (as it is treated by fundies) but as a bunch of often random historical documents written by lots of different men. When thought of this way, it takes all that pressure off of me to prove the Bible is all wrong or completely right. It's neither. I don't really have a problem with the Bible as a historical document and as a mythological document ... I think it must capture pretty well life in that time and place. I think it has wisdom and beauty in it, and it has stupidity and sordidness in it. Pretty much like the rest of what's out there in the world. If my parents ask me if I think the Bible is inspired, I'll say sure, some of it, in parts. But so are some really great comic books. And I mean it.
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Re:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
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Re:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
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RE:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
(Date Posted:12/18/2009 21:59:14)

First you have to establish that the bible is a very distinctive piece of literature. There is nothing that compares to it. You have 40 authors who contributed 66 books over a time span of 1600 years. What connects the authors is the prophetic description of a coming messiah and the fulfillment of those prophecies in the life of Jesus Christ. In essence the whole book revolves in detail around one person, and the amazing thing is that most of the authors never interacted with each other. If you took 40 people and told them to write a cohesive story without communicating you would more than likely get a story that is contradictory at its core. The fact that the bible was written in this fashion without contradiction is enough to make a case for its inspiration.

Now that we understand How it was written, it is also important to point out that the bible is not in chronological order and it is not a book on systematic theology. The authors obvious intentions were not to form a Holy book like many religions have done. They simply were giving an honest account of what God was doing in their lives and recorded the events as the Holy Spirit led them. So with that being said It is easy to see why we would get this redundancy In two different accounts. Now to the question, The two accounts revolve around king Hezekiah, The book of Isaiah was written before 2 kings which most scholars date between 745 and 680 B.C.. Isaiah's account was an eye witness account because he lived during that time and the author of 2 Kings wrote his account between 640 and 550 B.C.

Now we must also point out the purpose of the two books. The book of Isaiah s purpose was different than the author of 2 Kings. Isaiah s book Is about Isreal's and judah's coming destruction and restoration through God's suffering servant. He lived during the reign of four kings and the last one was Hezekiah. for a clue as to what time he was living in he chronicled the life of that king. That's just like me writing a book about my life in 2008 and having a brief portion on the election and term of Barak Obama, because It is a monumental event in the historical background of my life. Now the book of 2 Kings sole purpose was to highlight the lives of the kings of Isreal, and they give a historical account of every king. Now its clear to see that the author copied it from Isaiah but that is no different than me writing a book about John F. Kennedy and copying some information out of his Biography, It does not add or take away from the fact that the event happened.

So now one may ask the question, what was the purpose of God for allowing two identical accounts to be inserted into the Bible? If you were to read the bible you would discover this one thing about God, that if he is redundant about something, it is not a mistake, he is emphasizing the importance of the event because it can help change our lives.
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Re:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
(Date Posted:01/06/2010 15:39:00)

This is my first post ever, and I want to thank the Guest who posted (Date Posted: 12/18/2009 21:59:14.) I believe that the reply is informative, intelligent, Biblically based, but also eloquent.

 

A co-worker of mine just sent a text message asking about this on 01/05/10. What is interesting is that after surviving a potential job loss, we each chose to view the experience from a Spiritual perspective. He converted to Islam, and I reaffirmed my walk with the Lord, as a believer in Christ’s death and resurrection as the redeeming work for our sins.

 

I have no formal education in Theology, but have experienced receiving answers to deep and profound questions when praying to God and reading His word given to us in the form of the Bible.

 

I now face the challenge of having to work closely with this individual now that a reorg places us in the same group. I loved him on a Spiritual level before and will continually. I am not looking forward to having to defend the Bible in as much as continuing to support my friend through the Love of Christ. He has Biblical knowledge, having visited churches growing up, but I am saddened by the fact that he could not find much needed answers through that experience.

 

He seems to be receiving Spiritual truths especially on one of our purposes in life, which is to understand that it goes beyond our own self-interests. There is a Creator, and that we are to serve Him and love others. My only hope is that he and all who read this may find Salvation in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

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RE:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
(Date Posted:01/06/2010 15:56:44)

This is my first post ever, and I want to thank the Guest who posted (Date Posted: 12/18/2009 21:59:14.) I believe that the reply is informative, intelligent, Biblically based, but also eloquent.

A co-worker of mine just sent a text message asking about this on 01/05/10. What is interesting is that after surviving a potential job loss, we each chose to view the experience from a Spiritual perspective. He converted to Islam, and I reaffirmed my walk with the Lord, as a believer in Christ’s death and resurrection as the redeeming work for our sins.

 I have no formal education in Theology, but have experienced receiving answers to deep and profound questions when praying to God and reading His word given to us in the form of the Bible.

I face the challenge of having to work closely with this individual now that a reorg places us in the same group. I loved him on a Spiritual level before and will continually. I am not looking forward to having to defend the Bible in as much as continuing to support my friend through the Love of Christ. He has Biblical knowledge, having visited churches growing up, but I am saddened by the fact that he could not find much needed answers through that experience.

He seems to be receiving Spiritual truths especially on one of our purposes in life, which is to understand that it goes beyond our own self-interests. There is a Creator, and that we are to serve Him and love others. My only hope is that he and all who read this may find Salvation in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

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Re:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
(Date Posted:03/07/2010 13:36:22)

Yeah, the board is a little quieter these day's.  Posts like 'Guest' would have been challenged.  I know I work two jobs, so it's difficult to find at lot of time.  So here's a quick 5 minute one, then back to work

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"what was the purpose of God for allowing two identical accounts to be inserted into the Bible? "

What was the purpose in God condoning killing your rebellious teenager?   Well, here check out Sam Harris, he point's out a lot of the immorality of God http://fora.tv/2007/07/04/Clash_Between_Faith_and_Reason#fullprogram

Remember, most of the posters here have a solid theological background.  We have evaluated claims like the first two paragraphs of your post, and not found it convincing.
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RE:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
(Date Posted:09/27/2011 14:39:04)

Your question is a good one and the answer is very interesting.  The Books of the Kings (1 and 2 Kings) were originally one book and cover a time span of approximately 400 years.  The books as they appear in modern translations of the Bible were written (formatted is probably a better word) circa 550 BC.

We know from the texts themselves that various writings were used as source material for the books of 1 and 2 Kings.  Many of the source writings that comprise the text of 1 and 2 Kings were likely part of a State archive that represented a cumulative history of the Jewish people.  References to "recorders" in the presence of the Hebrew Kings throughout the books of the Kings lend credence to the existence of this State archive.

The events recorded in the 19th Chapter of 2 Kings and the 37th Chapter of Isaiah occurred in the year 700 BC and were recorded by the Prophet Isaiah in approximately 650 BC.  The writings of a Prophet with the status that Isaiah held among the Hebrews would have been preserved in both the Temple library as well as the State archive.  In addition, the 18th Chapter of 2 Kings documents the presence of King Hezekiah's recorder Joah, a son of Asaph.  Joah's account would also have been present in the Hebrew State archive.

Much in the same way modern history writers research, the writer of 2 Kings consulted the best and most accurate accountings of this particular event in his effort to record the events for historical purposes.  Since Isaiah was an eye witness to the event associated with these chapters, his account would have been one of the most reliable.  Since the writer of 2 Kings was writing the history of the event about 150 years after the fact, his usage of Isaiah's account ensured the highest level of accuracy.

The events recorded in these 2 Chapters were verified by an archeological find of the 19th century known as Sennecherib's Prism.  Sennecherib, the Assyrian King in the accounts, himself confirms the story via an engraving on the Prism that bears his name.   

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RE:Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?
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Reply to glitterbits333 (04/17/2003 01:48:56)

Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?This is something I just came across while doing a bit of bible-debunking study. I posted this same question on a fundy message board I used to belong to, but the only replies I have gotten, are people claiming that it points to the validity of the text, or to ask me if I believe the bible is god's word. I've been evasive with them so far, because I'm really interested in what rationalization there could be for having two chapters be exactly the same.Has anyone ever discussed this before? Any thoughts?


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