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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 10:25)
Hi Jim! I'm glad you asked that question, because the change in the lyrics of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" has been one of my Christmas music pet peeves for years now. That line, "Until then we'll have to muddle through somehow," has got to be one of the most touchingly poignant lyrics in the entire canon of popular Christmas music. According to numerous articles on the web, the change was made at the behest of Frank Sinatra when he was recording his Christmas album: "In 1957, Frank Sinatra asked Martin to revise the line "Until then we'll have to muddle through somehow". He told Martin, "The name of my album is A Jolly Christmas. Do you think you could jolly up that line for me?"[1] Martin's new line, "Hang a shining star upon the highest bough,"
has since become more widely recognized and sung than the original
phrase. Martin made several other alterations, changing the song's focus
to a celebration of present happiness, rather than anticipation of a
better future. On The Judy Garland Show Christmas Special, Judy sings to her children Joey and Lorna Luft with Sinatra's alternate lyric.[citation needed]
Although the 1957 rewrite is the most familiar to listeners today,
the Judy Garland lyrics have been recorded by a number of artists,
including Sinatra (in a 1963 single recording), Doris Day (in The Doris Day Christmas Album), Ella Fitzgerald (in Ella Wishes You a Swinging Christmas), and James Taylor (in October Road).[1] Connie Francis recorded the song for her 1959 album Christmas in My Heart.[8]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Yourself_a_Merry_Little_ChristmasYou can find lots articles on the web about the lyrics change by Googling " have yourself a merry little christmas" frank sinatra change lyrics" Here's an article that tells the story: There's Something About MerryEven though lyricist Hugh Martin eventually came around to agreeing that the new lyric was a better one, I still prefer the honesty of the original. I've often fantasized about starting a petition to restore the original lyrics. The line, "Hang a shining star upon the highest bough" comes across to me as so forced and false when compared to the genuineness off the original lyric. The petition would be directed to recording artists and would ask all those who have recorded the bogus lyrics to record the voice track with the proper lyrics (I know! Fat chance of that ever happening, right?). And also to any and all singers who ever record it in the future. But I'm in such poor health these days that I just don't have the energy anymore to be a such a rabble rouser :o( The most I can manage nowadays is to boycott recorded versions with the tinny lyrics by never playing them on my home stereo or MP3 player. That'll show 'em! ;o) (Message edited by CluelessInSeattle On 11/12/2011 10:38)
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 12:40)
Unlike a lot of singers who rarely gave much thought to the actual words of a song, Frank Sinatra (whether you liked him or not) was unique in that he rarely sang what he could not interpret personally, naturally, and with genuine conviction - and the original "until then we'll have to muddle through somehow" was obviously a verse he did not feel comfortable singing or one that he felt took away from the personal integrity of HIS performance. The changes made for him IMO validate the fact that the man knew and understood each word of a song well enough to recognize how to make it work for HIM and ultimately the listener - even if it meant words and lyrics being altered in some minor way for him to be comfortable with a particualr song.
But after more than a half century (54 years to be exact), does it really even matter? The Frank Sinatra recording has become part of the holiday music landscape year after year, regardless of who may or may not like the changes. IMO it is no more or less hindered by its changes than Bing Crosby's classic WHITE CHRISTMAS is because he never included the now familiar original opening on record? Guitarist Tommy Tedesco once said that a lot of people never even knew about that opening to WHITE CHRISTMAS (singers and musicians included) until they got around to hearing it either on the Phil Spector album or later on Barbra Streisand's Christmas albums. And even then the addition never hindered the songs status in the world of great holiday music because the song is still WHITE CHRISTMAS!
For me, these classic holiday songs are made no less beautiful or special because of such small changes or omissions as orignally written... The truth is that we're still better off for having such remarkable recordings of these songs by the greatest singers which has long made our holiday seasons all the more special because of the eternal gift of music they left for us. Just my opinion of course.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 13:50)
Jim: Thanks for asking me this great question, and if Will would have given me the chance, I would have answered you first; unfortunately, I can't always get to member's questions on the board right away. Anyway, much of what I was going to impart upon you has already been stated; however, not everything. To answer your question as to what was the first commercial release of the song Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, it was Judy Garland's 1944 version; it was released by Decca Records on a 78-rpm disc (catalog #23362).
Anthony: Just to let you know that it was only for his 1957 Capitol Records album, A Jolly Christmas, that Frank Sinatra asked composer Hugh Martin to write a more upbeat line for the song. Frank's 1950 Columbia Records version, as well as his later 1963 Reprise Records version, were both recorded with the original 1944 lyrics.

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 14:52)
Oops!
My apolgies, Chip!
I didn't realize that the rest of us weren't supposed to post answers to queries posted here on the Yule Log Message Board.
From now on I'll just be patient and wait for you to answer the questions posted here instead of butting in as I did this morning.
Thanks for the heads up.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 15:18)
That's not at all what I said, Will. As I said to you in the private email that I had sent to you earlier today, I appreciate your willingness and eagerness to answer questions on my message board, but if a question is directed specifically toward me, as the one was today on this thread by Jim (BobbyCratchit), I don't want you or anyone else for that matter answering it first. This is just a matter of common courtesy and respect. Any other questions on the message board that are directed to the board members in general are perfectly fine for you or anyone to answer.

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 17:06)
Chip,
Not that you would ever need any validation from me, but that's a great point you made about Frank Sinatra and the requested lyric change to HAVE YOURSELF A MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS being sung on his 1957 recording only. I still don't believe Ole Blue Eyes did anything to take away from the magic of the song back in '57 by introducing such a minor revision in lyrics.
And please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Judy Garland also ask Hugh Martin to make even more lyric changes to the original version back in 1944 for almost the same exact reasons Frank Sinatra would later in 1957? And that was to simply make the song happier?
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/12/2011 22:40)
That is correct, Anthony. Besides being an avid
Christmas music collector and connoisseur, I am also an avid classic movie buff, and the story goes that when Judy Garland read the first draft of Hugh Martin's lyrics to Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, she went to MGM studio chief Louis B. Mayer and said, "Mr. Mayer, I cannot sing this song to this little girl" (the little girl, of course, being child actress Margaret O'Brien). Judy felt that the song was much too dark and didn't fit the picture. L.B. Mayer agreed and asked producer Arthur Freed to have Hugh Martin rewrite the lyrics. In that Wikipedia article that a link was provided for earlier in this thread, it erroneously states that actor Tom Drake and director Vincente Minnelli also objected to the song's original lyrics, but that's just not true. It was Judy who was singing the song and it was Judy and Judy alone who protested and got L.B. Mayer to force a change. This is why I stress to folks not to rely on Wikipedia for information, as it is riddled with errors, inaccuracies and misinformation.
I posted below the actual clip when Judy Garland beautifully introduces the song in the immortal and legendary MGM film, Meet Me In St. Louis. Though not a Christmas movie per se, Meet Me In St. Louis has one of the greatest Christmas sequences of any movie ever made, and it ranks #4 on my list of the greatest regular (non-holiday) movies of all-time; Click Here. This movie, which is one of America's most treasured Hollywood films, is like watching an animated Norman Rockwell postcard. It was exquisitely produced (Arthur Freed), brilliantly directed (Vincente Minnelli), beautifully photographed (George Folsey) and, of course, wonderfully acted by Judy Garland, Mary Astor, Leon Ames, Marjorie Main and Harry Davenport. It is the ultimate film for family entertainment. They just don't make them like this anymore...
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/13/2011 02:06)
Poor little Margaret O'Brien. She just breaks my heart every time that I watch this scene. I just cannot imagine what the scene would have been like with the original lyrics. Thank you, Judy Garland, for requesting the lyric change. For those of you who are interested, the Blu-ray version of Meet Me In St. Louis is being released on December 13th. It is available for pre-order from Amazon here. Not exactly and inexpensive release, but if you are a fan of the movie (as many of us are,) you'll probably bite the bullet. -=Perry
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/13/2011 05:12)
Many thanks, Chip! Additional thanks to Will, anthonyv, and Perry. (Will: That was a great link to the Entertainment Weekly article. Thanks for that. A Twisted Sister version of "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas?" Who knew?)
I had read the information on Wikipedia, but I knew any definitive and authoritative information would need to come from Chip. Even in one of my books on Christmas music (one of the Ace Collins series of "Stories Behind The Best-Loved Songs of Christmas"), I believe I read that 1969 was the year for the change in lyrics, and I'm pretty sure I had heard some of the "hang a shining star upon the highest bough" versions before 1969. So you can see there are all kinds of discepancies out there. I'm tellin' ya, Chip, you gotta write that book! Also, Chip, thanks for the link to your Top Ten movie list. I see you posted that two years ago, but I only came on board here earlier this year, so I'm still navigating around the site. By the way, my No. 1 movie is also the Alastair Sim version of A Christmas Carol. I now have something to look forward to. There are actually a few movies on that list I have never seen; in fact, some I didn't even know were holiday movies.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/13/2011 17:30)
I actually heard that story about Judy Garland and the changes to HAVE YOURSELF A MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS many years ago around the holiday season of 1979 or '80 when Mel Torme and Ralph Blane were being interviewed on WNEW-AM in NYC. It could have been a recording of a past WNEW show - they used to do a lot of interviews on the station with a lot of musicians, writers, and singers - but that was where I first heard the story. (Message edited by anthonyv On 11/13/2011 17:41)
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 01:40)
You know, it's funny because I just read that article that Will provided a link for in an earlier post about the history of the song Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas and it just proves something that as a classic movie buff I have been fully aware of for many years: many stories of Hollywood history and folklore have gotten changed, embellished, altered, misrepresented or, yes, even fabricated (if albeit, unintentionally) over the years. Let me give two quintessential examples. The first is regarding the Academy Award statuette. It is in total dispute as to how the award ever got its nickname of "Oscar." Bette Davis for years and years claimed that it was her who coined the name in the mid-1930s. She said that one day she remarked to Warner Bros. studio chief Jack L. Warner that the Academy Award statuette looked very much like her Uncle Oscar and that the name just stuck. However, there are trade publications with articles that were using the name "Oscar" which were printed long before the time she claimed to have coined the nickname for the award. So it's just not true. The other example is that of actor Joseph Cotten. In his autobiography, he said that he did a B-picture very late in his career which he wasn't very proud of but that the silver lining was that it was the first picture of his to ever premiere at Radio City Music Hall. Well, the fact is that the particular picture that he was referring to never premiered at Radio City Music Hall, but several of his much earlier pictures did. So, it's clear that you sometimes can't even trust a direct source for accurate information!
I mention all this because apparently the story behind the history of the song Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas seems to join the ranks of those two prior examples of Hollywood stories that are in conflict or dispute. It seems that in her take on what happened, Liza Minnelli claims that it was her father who objected to the original draft of Hugh Martin's lyrics to the song. However, when Liza was a guest on TCM's Private Screenings with Robert Osborne last year, she claimed that she remembered as a kid being on the set of her parent's film The Pirate when it was being filmed (her mother starred and her father directed). But I really don't know how that could possibly be when in fact she wasn't even 2 years old at the time! The picture was filmed in early 1948 and it premiered in Hollywood on March 27, 1948. Liza was born on March 12, 1946; do you see the conflict? So naturally based on this, you have to call her recollection into question. Also in that article, Margaret O'Brien claims that Judy Garland mentioned her objections about the song to her; but why in heaven's name would Judy have that kind of discussion with a 7-year-old girl? I find that incredulous. Then in the article Hugh Martin claims that Judy mentioned her objections about the lyrics to him and that he reluctantly changed them. He also said that Tom Drake colorfully raised his objections to him as well, which is something that I personally have never read or heard before, but nevertheless, it could very well be true. There's really just no way to know for sure. These different accountings of the story reminds me of something the great character actor Jimmy Durante used to say, "Everybody wants to get into the act!"
The bottom line is that the version of the story that was circulated for years was the one that I mentioned in my previous post which involved Judy Garland, MGM studio chief Louis B. Mayer and producer Arthur Freed (the latter two interestingly not even mentioned by anyone in the article).
Oh well, alas, welcome to the world of Hollywood; they don't call it Tinseltown for nothing. 

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 08:11)
Chip, After reading your last post, I feel the same way  It is very confusing to say the least and we may never know the exact reason the song was changed. But I'm glad it was, and IMO Judy Garland's version of "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" is unequivocally the best version I've ever heard. And I just noticed, if you sort-of break down "unequivocally" it's almost an unequalled vocal. A little play on words Then regarding "Oscar", I guess you can't rely on a particular person's memory or what you find on the Internet, unless, there is an official document that states why and/or when it was changed. The same can go for the reason lyrics to "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" were changed. As everyone has seen these past few months, I can't even rely on my own memory, and I am by no means anywhere near as knowledgeable as Chip is when it comes to music.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 15:20)
As much as like Judy Garland's classic performance from the film and the "feel" that Frank Sinatra managed to create in his 1957 recording, this is one Chritmas song that I always wished Nat King Cole would have recorded - unless he did and nobody has heard it. I say that only because according to GOLDMINE magazine years ago, Capitol supposedly had dozens of unreleased tape reels locked away in their vaults which were said to include another session of unheard Christmas material from the early '60s...But that was almost three decades ago and I've never heard anything else about those tapes.
Had Mr. Cole been allowed to record the song in a manner that fit his silky smooth singing style (like THE CHRISTMAS SONG) it is possible that he could have at least produced a version of HAVE YOURSELF A MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS worthy of being regarded as one of the best. Who knows? (Message edited by anthonyv On 11/14/2011 15:28)
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 16:30)
Susan:
As you and everyone on this message board knows by now, I am a stickler for accurate information and have no patience for the dissemination of inaccurate information, which is something you see in abundance on most other websites -- especially other Christmas websites and blogs (and don't even get me started on Wikipedia). These sites are riddled with errors and inaccuracies. Many years ago I used to occasionally browse a few of them, but I would end up seeing so many errors -- some even by the website owner -- that I would be compelled to post corrections and it just ended up taking up too much of my time. So now I just completely avoid them. The tolerance of this kind of disregard for accurate information -- especially on the Internet -- has lead to something which reminds me of a quote from the 1962 motion picture The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence; that quote being "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." And for me personally, like Edmund Gwenn (as Kris Kringle) said in the 1947 motion picture Miracle on 34th Street regarding the commercialization of Christmas, "That's what I've been fighting against for years." Well, that's my mantra when it comes to the dissemination of inaccurate information. The discouraging thing is that I am only one person, so it's a losing battle strewn with frustration. However, I can at least make my website a source for good, quality and accurate information that is beyond reproach.
Over the years the recollections of incidents, events and stories of the past, in particular Hollywood history, have become tantamount to a famous and humorous line from the 1944 motion picture To Have and Have Not when Dan Seymour says to Humphrey Bogart, "Every time Mr. Eddie takes a drink, this fabulous fish grows larger." The saddest thing is when inaccurate information comes directly from the source. One of my heartbreaks was with a terrible inaccuracy in a book about the great American composer/conductor Leroy Anderson. As most folks on this message board probably know by now, I am acquainted with Mr. Anderson's wife Eleanor and his son Kurt. Well, in 2004 a Bio-Bibliography was released which Mrs. Anderson co-authored. But sadly, in this otherwise great book it erroneously states that Mr. Anderson's first Christmas album, Christmas
Carols, was a reissue of A Christmas Festival, and that the release year is unknown! It actually shows the release year in the book as [196?-], when in fact it was released in 1955. I was absolutely stunned. I could not believe that such an error could have possibly been made. And naturally, it was I who pointed out to Eleanor and Kurt that the album Christmas
Carols was Mr. Anderson's first Christmas album and was released in 1955, and that A Christmas
Festival was his second Christmas album and was released in 1959. I had said to Kurt that I was really astounded that such an error could have been made considering that the catalog numbers for the LPs clearly show which one came first: DL-8193 for Christmas Carols and DL-8925 for A Christmas Festival. Unfortunately folks, this incident just proves once again the old adage that you can't believe everything you read. Oh well, I'll keep on fighting. 

Anthony:
No, unfortunately Nat King Cole never recorded a version of Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas; and it's too bad, because I agree that he would have done a marvelous job.

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 18:04)
Chip, I can't speak for anyone else, but I am grateful for the information you have provided about certain songs and albums etc. Yes, there is a lot of misinformation out there. I have mentioned that I addedd verified information on Wiki about Don Janse but I won't rehash it here, but I do have an album that came out before the one they mentioned and had stated that Mr. Janse had only recorded one for the company in question. The information I added was taken directly off the etchings in the vinyl at the end of the last track on both sides. The other one that is highly inaccurate is Amazon.com with the DVD "Claiming" to be the "Original Yule Log" and I can't say for sure if it was myself that pointed it out to you or if another member did so. And you added a comment letting people know that it was not the Original by any means. But I do know you can't check out every single website that claims something is true when in fact it is inaccurate. You would be up 24 hours a day 365 days a year trying to correct every inaccuracy. You have enough trouble answering our questions here and keeping the message board up and running and giving us as much information as possible. But I would trust your information over something on the Internet. Even vendors on eBay and Amazon claim that they are selling the original release of an album and it ends up being a reissue and they don't even know how to tell the difference. They just figure being the album number is the same and probably do a quick search on the Internet themselves and use the information they found in their listing. Again, I am so grateful for all your help with my questions and helping me to find the original releases on a lot of my albums and how to tell the difference. I'm sure other members are also grateful. But too, I feel your frustration when trying to correct the inaccuracies when often the original source of the information is incorrect. i.e. Leroy Anderson's Autobiography. I also thank you for correcting certian things I have erroneously stated here too. But overall, you are the best resource there is because of all the information you have amassed over the years and being you know people from the record companies and even some of the artist's and their family members.   
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 19:34)
Add me to the list of people who wish Nat Cole had gotten around to recording this song, and some of the other secular pop Christmas standards like "White Christmas", "Let It Snow", "Winter Wonderland", etc. His style would have suited them as ideally as it did his own classic "Christmas Song", IMO.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 20:36)
Motown Mike,
Another song I'd like to add to my Nat King Cole "wish list" is I'LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS. I can actually hear him singing it (just as smooth and satiny as ever) in my head as I write this!
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/14/2011 20:36)
Thanks for the warm sentiments Susan; I appreciate that. 

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 00:19)
Chip, Well, I cannot let this one slide by without throwing you
my praise, kudos and gratitude for your efforts here. Running a web
site is hard enough, but doing so on a web site with an active message
board is even more difficult as it requires an even higher level of
commitment, knowledge and resources. You are not just posting pages,
you are actively involved in providing accurate information, correcting
errors and keeping the ship on course. Who else has the knowledge level
to do such a thing other than you? A wise man once said: When
it comes to Christmas music, I would remind you that extremism in the
defense of accuracy is no vice! And let me remind you also that
moderation in the pursuit of correction is no virtue!
 Maybe that isn't the most exact quote I ever posted, but . . . that doesn't make it untrue!
While it is true that none of us can change the world, it is equally true that we can try and change our corner of it. That is what The Yule Log.com is doing. It is changing your
corner of the world, one reader at a time. And with each of us that
mine information, interact and share here, we are taking a bit of The Yule Log elsewhere with us and sharing it with others. One person at a time.
This is a definitive resource of all things belonging to the golden age
of Christmas music. One that I go to on a regular basis. I take the
information that you post here as the most accurate information
available anywhere. Your probe that your launched into my stereo
question on Roger Wagner's Joy to the World
album is just such an example of your dedication, commitment and
integrity. Your responses were not just a pursuit of accuracy on your
part, they were also a display of humility in that you did not assume
that your information was complete or without error. Many people do just that and then
walk away, leaving one more source of inaccurate and ineffectual
information in cyberspace for all to read.
Susan's praise of
your work here rings true with me as well. I wish to join the ranks in
gratitude of your work, help and guidance. I've been on a voyage of
discovery since I found your site back in 2009. Instead of listening to
Christmas music around the holiday, I have been listening non stop
since the fall of 2009. It has been a heart warming, joyful and
exciting experience to say the least.
"That's what I've
been fighting against for years." Well, that's my mantra when it
comes to the dissemination of inaccurate information.
Keep fighting the good fight. That is one of the many reasons that many of us keep coming back again and again.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 03:50)
Thank you for your very gracious post Perry; I loved how you adapted the Barry Goldwater quote to fit the occasion! 

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 07:43)
You're most welcome Chip and I thank you again.
Perry, I thank you too as you stated some things a little better than I did as I am not the best at getting words to come out the way I mean them to and I may have omitted something else I wanted to say.
Also it would be nice if Nat King Cole had recorded this Christmas song among other's as he did have that quality it his voice that would've been perfect these songs.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 13:11)
I was born during the war, so this song has always had special meaning for me.
My mom lived with her parents up until the time she married my dad, so she'd never lived on her own before getting married. My dad was in the Navy, so he was away most of the time while I was growing up. Then my brother came along and my mom found herself living on her own, caring for two little kids, without a husband or father for the boys around. At Christmas it was just the three of us, Mom, my little brother and me. We lived in a tiny little house (not much more than a shack, really) with woods on one side, a blackberry patch on the other, and a big field out back. (Yes, Seattle still had woods and open spaces in those days!).
Our little house was heated by a coal furnace, that Mom had to go down the rickety stairs to the cramped dark cellar, where rats scurried underfoot, to shovel coal into the furnace. She told me years later that she was terrified going into that cellar at night. She told me that when she was a child her older brother had locked her in the basement, turned out the lights and then shouted to her through the door: "The bear is going to get you!." She never got over that fear of going into the basement at night alone.
So those lines from the song: "Some day soon we all will be together, If the Fates allow. Until then we'll have to muddle through some how," have always called to mind those childhood Christmases without my father, when my mother put on a brave face and made each Christmas something special that my brother and I will never forget. Looking at old photos of her I now can see in my mom's eyes how sad and lonely she was. But she never let on to us, and bravely muddled through, as best she knew how, to make a Merry Little Christmas for us each year.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 13:56)
I guess we are all very fortunate that we have so many choices in what performances we might prefer based on what lyrics or rendition we like best - or whatever version simply means the most to us for personal reasons. That's the kind of magic that is reserved almost exclusively by our love for music and in great songs like HAVE YOURSELF A MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS which have become a part of the soundtrack to all our lives. I myself prefer the Judy Garland version because it is THE ORIGINAL, but the 1957 Frank Sinatra version more so ... And not because I think his is the best, but because his is the version I've heard most of my entire life. Like some people who have a strong connection to this song (and other songs), and the memories that surround it, this recording would still mean the most to me regardless of what lyrics he decided to sing.
That recording is the one that still, after all these years, creates a rare, singular, explosive, very personal "flashbulb memory" that takes me right back to a specific moment (when I was a little boy) the night of that first Yule Log broadcast...I tried to detail theat personal experience as best I could in the Yule Log Stories section of the forum which might explain why I probably feel the way I do about that recording. Those truly special feelings from Christmas Eve 1966 have never changed over the last 45 years - and as long as I hear that one recording, they probably never will. (Message edited by anthonyv On 11/15/2011 15:53)
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 16:28)
Thanks for sharing that touching story Anthony.
As I read it I felt as if I were there in the room with you and your father back in 1966.
I tried to include a link to it in this message but couldn't figure out how to do it.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/21/2011 08:11)
For those of you who may not have seen "Meet Me in St. Louis" before, Turner Classic Movies is broadcasting it on Thanksgiving day at 10:00 AM Eastern.
I was hoping to post this sooner, but with Aimoo updating their servers, I wasn't able to get into the message board for 2 days.
If you are going to be watching Football on Thankgiving, and have a Dual Tuner DVR. you could DVR the channel you receive TCM on an not miss your Football games.
I'm not really a sports fan so I don't know what time the games actually start. But just thought it would be a good idea if you haven't seen "Meet Me in St. Louis" Especially some of the "Younger" members of this message board.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/21/2011 14:30)
FYI: Turner Classic Movies will also air Meet Me In St. Louis on Tuesday December 6th at 2am and on Christmas Eve December 24th at 6pm. 

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/21/2011 17:51)
Thanks for the additional update Chip,
This way in the event of a power outage if there was bad weather or something, people who haven't seen this movie have another chance. I didn't get thier December Schedule email yet so I didn't see it was going to be shown again.
Though this is another subject, I'm hoping they will rebroadcast the sequel to "Miranda", "Mad About Men" with Glynnis Johns because I missed about the first 10 minutes of it and didn't realize it was on. I know we discussed this movie and I can't think of another earlier movie having to do with a Mermaid that you told me, if my memory is right was a bit better movie.
I do watch TCM more than any other station/network and was watching On Moonlight Bay" and they are going to rebroadcast "With Six, You Get Eggroll" which was on in August or September, but they are also are playing a few Doris day movies this week.
TCM has really stepped up their game, so to speak and have been playing several great movies and with both you and I being Classic Movie Buff's, it's nice to see some of these movies on TV. from The Golden Age of Hollywood. I know as soon as you mention the other movie, it will immediately jog my memory. I think we were discussing it via email but Im not sure.
They have also been playing a lot of "Silent Films" which you rarely see on TV anymore and I like it that they are all brodcast commercial free.
Oh well, thanks again for letting us know that "Meet Me in St. Louis" will be on again in December in case anyone misses Thanksgiving Day's broadcast.
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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/21/2011 22:30)
1951's On Moonlight Bay is a fine motion picture and so was its 1953 sequel, By the Light of the Silvery Moon. They're both great feel-good movies that have great holiday scenes and are very much in the same spirit as 1944's great classic, Meet Me In St. Louis.

And the movie that I was telling you about a few weeks ago was Mr. Peabody and the Mermaid from 1948 with Bill Powell and Ann Blyth. It's a delightful movie and definitely the definitive mermaid picture from Hollywood's Golden Age.

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RE:Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas
(Date Posted:11/22/2011 08:41)
Thanks Chip,
I knew as soon as you mentined the name of the movie that I would remember it. Also thanks for the info on the 2 movies "On Moonlight Bay" and "By The Light Of The Silvery Moon". It's been a long time since I've seen both of them, and I don't remember much about them being they hadn't been on TV in such a long time. I only came across "On Moonlight Bay" by accident Channel Surfing but fell asleep a few minutes into it and didn't think of DVR'ing it.
Even though it was on at 6:15 PM this past Sunday, with the medication I take, if I am relaxing, I can fall asleep pretty easy and the next thing I know, a few hours have gone by and I've missed my movie, and I wasn't sleepy when I started watching it. But I'm sure it will be on again on TCM. I've seen several moves that were on in August and September that were on this month too.
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