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(Date Posted:12/07/2010 23:18)

Chip,

Being that I had no Lawrence Welk Christmas music other than an LP from my Dad's record collection (Silent Night and 13 Other Best Loved Christmas Songs,) I decided to look into your Top 300 and find out what I should be looking for.

Merry Christmas From Lawrence Welk

Is this the 1956 Coral Records one or the 1970 Reader's Digest one?  I assumed it was the 1956 Coral release.

With some help from a great web site here, I was able to determine that this LP had been released on a CD entitled:

"Christmas with Lawrence Welk"

The problem is that the CD appears to be missing three of the songs that were on the original LP.  Namely White Christmas, Santa Claus Is Coming to Town and High on a Housetop.

The second album was

"Jingle Bells"

This would be the 1957 Coral release, right?  Well I found the CD version here.  However, the CD is missing Let's Have an Old-Fashioned Christmas, Santa from Santa Fe and an instrumental medley of Christmas Carols.  The CD has two sets of vocal a cappella Christmas Carol medleys that the LP doesn't.

Then we also have the Reader's Digest 4 LP set entitled "Merry Christmas from Lawrence Welk" as well as two other CDs entitled "22 Merry Christmas Favorites" and "Christmas Memories" which are available through Amazon.

Which is the "Merry Christmas from Lawrence Welk" that is in your Top 300?  Are these LPs in stereo or monaural?  Have any of these CDs been remastered?  How is the sound quality?  Would I just be better off looking for the LPs or are any of the CDs out there any good?

Hopefully this post makes some sense as I find this hunt for Lawrence Welk's Christmas music quite confusing.  There are times when I find it very irritating that these music companies don't just re-release the album on CD with the original album art work.  I'm not sure exactly what market they think that they are catering to, but wouldn't you think that it would (mostly) be the Baby Boomers who are searching out this music these days?  That being the case, wouldn't you be looking for the music you remembered by eyeballing the album cover that your family had in their collection when you are shopping for a CD in the store?

What in the world is the purpose of rearranging the songs on the CD, inserting different versions, changing the album cover art work and dropping tunes?  Maybe it is all about trying to get us to purchase the same music several times over, or appealing to a different market, or thinking that they can do a better job than they did originally.

How many times have you ever seen a different cover on the CD versus the original album and said to yourself, "Man! I just LOVE that new cover they chose for the CD release!"  Pretty much never for me.  What ever the reason, it gets me heated up.

I just picked up Jerry Vale's Christmas album on LP for nothing other than to have a decent cover to scan, print out and place over those crappy looking covers that they put on both of his CD releases.

Sorry about the rant.

So could I please get some help with Mr. Welk's music? 

-=Perry


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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/08/2010 08:14)

Perry,
This site will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about Welk's Christmas music.  It's the best.

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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/08/2010 21:54)


Perry,

There are only three Christmas albums by Lawrence Welk that you need to be concerned with. The albums are
Merry Christmas From Lawrence Welk (Coral Records - 1956), Jingle Bells (Coral Records - 1957), and Silent Night And 13 Other Best Loved Christmas Songs (Dot Records - 1961). In my Top Play, the two Coral LPs are in my 1st Tier (albums 1-125), and the Dot LP is in my 2nd Tier (albums 126-250).

The Coral albums have never been released in their entirety on CD; they have only been released in an abridged form with different artwork. The Dot album has never been released on CD at all, except on compilation CDs. The Coral albums were recorded in mono, and then later released in simulated (re-channeled) stereo -- but I don’t recommend them. The Dot album was recorded in true stereo.

Regarding the Coral LP Jingle Bells, it has a most unusual history. When it was first released in 1957 track #4 on Side 1 of the LP had a really nice 10-song instrumental medley that was comprised of Deck The Halls; Good King Wenceslas; The First Noel; God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen; O Come All Ye Faithful; Hark The Herald Angels Sing; It Came Upon A Midnight Clear; Joy To The World; O Little Town Of Bethlehem and Silent Night.

However, very shortly after its release, Coral Records (for reasons I have never been able to determine) replaced this instrumental medley with a 10-song choral medley that included O Come All Ye Faithful; Deck The Halls; Good King Wenceslas; God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen; The First Noel; Hark The Herald Angels Sing; It Came Upon A Midnight Clear; Joy To The World; O Little Town Of Bethlehem and Silent Night. And that is how the album remained for the duration of its time in print. However, the strange thing is that Coral never changed the song listing on the back of the album jacket. The only way you know which album you have is to look at the label on the record itself, which Coral did change to reflect the new choral medley.

As I said, I have no idea why Coral Records decided to make this change, especially because the original instrumental medley was so much better than the choral medley that replaced it. Since far fewer copies of the original LP were printed, it is much harder to find.

Regarding the Ranwood albums, stay away from both of them as the songs they contain are all re-recordings; so stick with the original Coral albums. As for the Reader's Digest compilation albums, they contain a combination of the re-recorded tracks from the Ranwood LPs and original tracks from the 1961 Dot LP. The reason for this is when Randy Wood and Lawrence Welk formed Ranwood Records in 1968 they acquired the rights to the Dot recordings. As for Coral recordings, despite what you may read on the web (including Wikipedia) they did not acquire the rights to the Coral library. The masters to those recordings still and always will rest in the hands of UMG (Universal Music Group).


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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/09/2010 15:52)

Sirius XM's Holiday Traditions has included a generous helping of Lawrence Welk in their mix as well as the Lennon Sisters.  Today they played a Lennon Sisters chestnut that my mother once had on a cardboard 45, Merry Christmas From Our House To Your House.  IIRC, I believe it was promoted on Mr Welk's Saturday night TV show and was available by mail only, which was how my mother acquired it.

The cardboard record started with a holiday greeting from Mr Welk, followed by the song, then ended with an invitation to test drive a new 1958 swept-wing Dodge.  Dodge Division was the exclusive sponsor of The Lawrence Welk Show.

Was Merry Christmas From Our House To Your House ever included on any Lawrence Welk or Lennon Sisters Christmas albums?
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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 00:04)

Thanks so much, Chip.  That is exactly the information that I was looking for.

Do you have to look this stuff up, or do you remember it off of the top of your head?  I am amazed at your knowledge level.

I guess that if UMG has the Coral recordings, we can probably never expect to see a complete reissue of these albums on CD.

-=Perry
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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 02:05)


Frank
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The original version of Merry Christmas From Our House To Your House was released on Mr. Welk's 1957 LP, Jingle Bells. He later re-recorded the song on his Ranwood label.


Perry:

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it. I guess I've learned a little something after 40 years of collecting.

And yes, unfortunately given UMG's track record, it is unlikely that the two Coral albums will ever be reissued in their entirety with the original artwork on CD. The only way that will probably ever happen is if a company like Collectors' Choice Music gets involved. However, given CCM's recent propensity to issue compilation CDs (like the new Bing Crosby and Perry Como releases), if they did ever acquire the rights from UMG, they would probably release the Coral material as a 'complete collection' compilation disc.

By the way, a number of years ago, not long after Mr. Welk had died, I asked Margaret Heron (Mr. Welk's longtime personal secretary) if she had any clue as to why Coral Records made that track 4 change on the 1957 LP. Unfortunately she didn't, so she asked Myron Floren (Mr. Welk's longtime accordion player) if he knew. But unfortunately he didn't know either. I have since been resigned to accept the fact that the mystery will probably never be solved.


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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 11:57)

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Chip here.

While it's good to know what you're getting with any of the various releases (with the confusion of album covers, labels, re-releases), I don't think you have to necessarily 'stay away from' the re-recordings.

Part of it depends on what your interests are....

If you want the tunes that are familiar to you that you might have listened to as a child, then it helps to find out what versions those are.  As somebody who watched the TV show in the 1970's, I tend to prefer the newer versions that are close to what I saw on TV.  (Little fact: my dad dated LW singer Mary Lou Metzger, a fact we always pointed out and laughed about whenever we watched.)

If you're interested in collecting the early original recordings, especially for their historic value, then Chip is on the money.

For my part, I LOVE the Reader's Digest 4-LP box, though it's a mishmash of re-recordings and re-releases.
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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 17:07)


Brad,

I can understand your preference for the later Ranwood re-recordings since they are closer to the Welk sound that you grew up with in the 1970s. And let me just say that while original recordings aren't always the best, most of the time they are, and that is what most folks -- especially on this board -- prefer and are looking for.

By the way, interesting story about Mary Lou Metzger.


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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:07/23/2011 13:53)

Just a follow up post with a couple of more questions:

Chip, Could you please tell me what was the original release date for Christmas with The Lennon Sisters?  I have found 1959 and 1961 both listed.



Also, was Noel by the Lennon Sisters a compilation album or an original release?  It seems that Ranwood released it back in 1996 on CD, but information on the original Mercury LP is sorely lacking.  Either way, I would be curious to know when this LP was originally released.  This album has also been released on CD (and is currently available) through other sources with different art work that does not appear to be from Ranwood.  I found it here and here as well as here.  The Ranwood CD appears to be here.


Noel by The Lennon Sisters



The Lawrence Welk web site that the King referred to (http://www.harvestmoondesign.com/welk/music.php) does not appear to be up any more.  That is a shame because it really was a great source of information on Mr. Welk's Christmas music.  What a convoluted catalog of Christmas music on CD as well as LP!

It appears that I lucked out and picked up a copy of the Coral release of Mr. Welk's Jingle Bells on LP that has the 10 song instrumental medley on it (as well as another copy with the choral medley.)  Chip, you are spot on in your opinion that the instrumental medley was better than the 10 song Choral medley that replaced it.  Regardless of who made the decision to replace that medley, it was a poor one to say the least.

The Jingle Bells CD that I acquired has the choral medley on it rather than the instrumental.  I guess somewhere that 10 song instrumental medley is still sitting in a vault having never seen the light of day since 1957.

-=Perry


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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:07/23/2011 23:42)


Perry,

The Lennon Sisters' first Christmas album, Christmas With The Lennon Sisters, was released by Dot Records in 1961.

The girls' second Christmas album, Noel, was released by Mercury Records in 1968; and no, it was definitely not a compilation; it was an original album with all newly recorded material.


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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:07/24/2011 11:42)

Thanks so much for that prompt reply, Chip.  Once again it goes to show that you cannot believe what you read about these albums on the internet.  You would think that in this day and age, this kind of information would be easy to retrieve.  I so much appreciate the haven for accuracy that you have created here.

-=Perry
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RE:Lawrence Welk Christmas Music
(Date Posted:07/25/2011 01:30)

Yes Perry, unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation out there. That expression that you can't believe everything you read couldn't be more true than on the World Wide Web. The dissemination of wrong information is a major pet peeve of mine; I absolutely have no patience for it whatsoever.


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