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(Date Posted:06/17/2013 17:51)

Chip,

I thought this album "The Best-Love Music of Christmas" by Various Artists, was in your top 300, but when I searched the page for a specific word, "Best" its only appears twice using the "Edit" "Find" feature in my browser.  If I used "The" or "Christmas" I would have gotten several results, but not this album.  I didn't find it by searching this way or perusing the entire list.  I would think that something of this caliber would be in your Top 300 because of the Artists and the songs.  I won't list them all being there are too many, but the first song on Side 1 of Record 1 is "Joy to the World" by Percy Faith.

The album is a 2-Record Gatefold and on the jacket it shows P2S 5633, but on the LP's it's  DS 928 for Record 1 and DS 929 for Record 2.  Then on Record 1 Side 1 it shows XSM 155891 and on Side 2 it shows XSM 155892.  On Record 2 Side 1 it shows XSM 155893 and on Side 2 is shows XSM 155894.

I don't know which number is the actual Columbia Catalog Number but it was released in 1972


Here is a scan of the Ffront of the Gatefold and then the Front view of the Gatefold opened.
The Best Love Music of Christmas
The Best Love Music of Christmas Gatefold Opened
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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/17/2013 21:56)


Susan,

In my opening statement on the thread that contains my
Top 300, I explain in detail why compilation albums as a general rule are not awarded a position in my Top 300. I will repost the germane paragraph below:


With only one exception, the great collector’s series compilation albums (Goodyear, Grants, etc.) are not as a general rule included in my Top Play, as it would have been unfair to deny a space in my Top Play to an artist’s album of original material for a compilation. That one aforementioned exception is the great 1966 RCA album, Music To Trim Your Tree By (album #51). This phenomenal album is the only compilation of previously released material that was awarded the distinction and honor of not only being included in my Top Play, but the 1st Tier. There are four other compilation albums in my Top 300; however, they were all compiled of original material. These albums include A Christmas Gift For You (album #121) by various Philles Records recording artists; Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas (album #242) by various Reprise Records recording artists; Christmas With Arthur Godfrey (album #266) by various Columbia Records recording artists; and Merry Christmas To You (album #275) by various Capitol Records recording artists.


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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/18/2013 16:52)

Chip,

I don't know what happened, I replied this morning, but my reply is gone.  I will try to remember what I had said.

First off I apologized for not consciously reading the explanation about why you didn't include Compilation Albums, with the exception of a few.  I didn't mean to frustrate you by having you rehash something you have already mentioned before.  I myself have at least 2 copies of "Music to Trim Your Tree By" #51 in your Top 300.  I don't have immediate access to my copies, but I'm sure it was a single LP, but can't remember if it was a gatefold with a pop-up Christmas scene as in the album I asked about.

I still don't know what the Catalog number is on this 2-Record set is being the Matrix Numbers aren't necessarily a catalog number.  There was a discussion about this for "The City Never Sleeps At Night" by Nancy Sinatra, but in a search, it didn't come up.  I had been under the impression that the Matrix Numbers designated Side A or 1 and Side B or 2, but that thread seems to have disappeared.

Anyways, is the Catalog Number for the 1972 album "The Best Love Music of Christmas"  P2S 5633 or is it the numbers on the LP's  DS 928 and DS 929?  This question wasn't answered in your reply.

Again, I apologize for sub-consciously blocking out that you had mentioned about Compilation albums not being in your Top 300 with the exception of the ones you mentioned.  It wasn't intentional, and I know it is frustrating when you have to repeat something again.

Thank you.
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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/18/2013 20:22)


No problem Susan; I don't mind reposting information if needed -- we all forget things from time-to-time!

As for that 2-record set The Best-Loved Music Of Christmas, it was released by Columbia Records via their Columbia House division in 1971 with the catalog #P2S-5622 (the disc ID numbers were DS-821 for record 1 and DS-822 for record 2). Your copy is the second pressing from 1972 (catalog #P2S-5633 with disc ID numbers DS-928 for record 1 and DS-929 for record 2).

And lastly, Music To Trim Your Tree By was a single album and did not have a gatefold cover.



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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/19/2013 08:12)

Thanks Chip,

I did realize that this was actually released for the Record Club Members as it did show "Columbia House" on the jacket and if it had been released for retail sale, I think it would have shown Columbia Records, but that is just a guess.  (I may have even purchased this back in 1971 from Columbia House, but I can't say for sure being I purchased a lot of Christmas albums back then, and often, several were "Licensed" by other record labels to press and sell their albums through the record clubs.  That is how I found that I didn't have a lot of original releases because of you helping me and I have replaced almost all of my Christmas LP's that I bought through the record clubs.  They did have the correct Catalog number and year on the jacket and record label, but also had the record club catalog number on them.

Thanks for the clarification as to "Music to Trim Your Tree By" as not being a gatefold.  I actually remembered one of the albums that was a Gatefold and had another pop-up Christmas scene.  It is Ronco Presents "A Christmas Present" Columbia Special Products P 11772.

Ronco Presents

I believe that there is at least one other Gatefold that has a Christmas scene pop-up, but I can't think of it now.

Also, I noticed that I made a typo in my original post and my repeat question, the one I have shows the Catalog Number as P2S 5622, not 5633 but the LP's have "1972 CBS, Inc.", on the labels.  So, I wonder if somehow a person had 2 copies of this set and put the wrong LP's in my Gatefold?  I don't see any year on the Gatefold Jacket anywhere.

Thanks again for all your help.

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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/19/2013 11:24)


Susan,

Ronco had a second gatefold  "pop-up" Christmas LP which was released in 1974 entitled Ronco Presents A Christmas Gift (Columbia Special Products catalog #P12430).


 


With regard to your copy of the Columbia House LP, what probably happened is that Columbia had jackets left over from '71 and used the rest of their stock in '72. This phenomena of having jackets and LPs that were not of the same generation was very common in the early 1970s with Decca Records, when parent company MCA/Universal began to transition all Decca LP releases over to the new MCA label. And the anomaly happened both ways: sometimes you would get an old Decca jacket with a new MCA LP inside; and other times you would get a new MCA jacket with an old Decca LP inside (both scenarios giving you conflicting catalog numbers).



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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/19/2013 12:52)

Thanks Chip,

I could be wrong, but I think there is still at least 1 more Gatefold out there with a pop-up Christmas scene.  I had forgotten about the other Ronco one, but I can still picture a different pop-up in my mind, but can't quite focus in on what the album is.

Regarding Columbia House, if my jacket has the Catalog number of P2S 5622, would that also have been carried over to 1972 and instead of using Catalog number P2S 5633, they just didn't change it for the 1972 re-release to use up the leftover jackets?

I know by the numbers on the LP's that we have ruled that they are from 1972.  But the number on the jacket is in question, unless, as I mentioned above, they didn't change it for 1972 until they ran out of their leftover jackets from 1971 and then they changed the number.

Thanks again.  I hadn't scanned the front of the jacket for the Ronco album I showed and couldn't find a halfway decent image online, but it is blue with some Evergreen trees and snow on the ground.  I'm sure you know exactly what it looks like Chip, but for those who many not know, I wanted to at least describe it.
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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/19/2013 15:30)


I'm not sure what you are asking, Susan, but if you read again what I said in my post above it clearly explains everything.

I posted images of the 1973 Ronco Christmas LP below. And below the Ronco album is another gatefold "pop-up" Christmas LP release: this one was the foreign release of German singer Heino's 1974 Christmas album. And posted below that is the 1982 reissue of Heino's album with a modified pop-up that includes a fan-shaped blue back.


  



 
 


  



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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/19/2013 19:57)

Sorry Chip,

It's very confusing being you stated that they may have used leftover jackets from 1971 for their 1972 release, paraphrasing.  So I guess I'm questioning, that if they happed to have leftover jackets from 1971, would they have kept the 1971 Catalog Number on the jacket?  Or would they have put the correct Catalog Number for 1972?  Being it would have been a simple typeover, for lack of a better word to change it to P2S 5633 though my jacket shows P2S 5622.

Also, I guess I will have to find the actual 1971 LP's being you know that I am a stickler for having the original release when possible.  I do realize that there really isn't any difference between the 1971 release and the 1972 release except for the numbers on the LP's.  So I would need to find DS 821 and DS 822.

Thanks for the picture of the cover for the Ronco album I didn't have the image scanned of, and also for the other releases.  Your images came out better than mine and the pictures I took and posted where directly under 3 CFL's that I believe at full brightness are 75 watts,  But my cheap digital camera doesn't do will with indoor pictures regardless of the light level, or if I move slightly being it takes about 2 seconds from when I press the button to take the picture until the camera beeps indicating that the picture has been taken so I need to try and stay as steady as possible or the image will be blurry.

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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/19/2013 21:45)


Susan,

Unfortunately, you just missed a chance last March to own a copy of the original l971 release of the Columbia House 2-record set. There was a vendor on eBay (
waynecharyake) who had a copy for sale with a starting bid of only $1.49. The good news is that the auction ended with no bidders; so if you contact him, he just might still have it available for sale. He claimed in his listing that the copy he's selling is the 1971 release; and I can tell you categorically that he is telling the truth, because he did something that vendors rarely do: he specifically listed the actual LP disc ID numbers, which he showed as DS-821 for record 1 and DS-822 for record 2. And as I told you in my previous post, those are the original LP disc ID numbers. Old auction pages are not kept up for very long, but this one is still there; so if you Click Here you can see his original listing and images (although, bad ones) that he posted of the jacket and both LP discs as well.

By the way, in the early '70s when MCA released LPs with leftover Decca jackets and newly minted MCA discs inside, they did not make any attempt to update the old Decca cover with the new catalog number, which made it very frustrating if you were hoping to have the original Decca LP disc.



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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/20/2013 07:51)

Thanks Chip,

I clicked on his vendor name and it opened up eBay from the UK, but I have purchased from across the pond before without any problems.

I remember when I was trying to get the original "Give Me Your Love for Christmas" LP by Johnny Mathis, I had to email each vendor an image of the Columbia "2-Eye" label on the record because everyone stated that it was the "Original" release and they were going by the copyright year on the jacket that stayed the same for the rest of the re-issues.  I was fortunate that only 1 person happened to have the "2-Eye" label.

I can't remember if it's is against eBay's TOS to contact a vendor about an item that has ended and ask if they would sell it to you or not, but I don't think it's against their TOS to see if they still have it and could relist it.

Thanks for the clarification on the jacket that they didn't bother changing the Catalog number when they had extra jackets printed up and then reissued the album.  I am no longer confused about this.  Sorry for all the confusion though.


{EDITED by Christmas Always} Chip, I contacted the vendor and his wife got back to me, she told me that they still had the albums, but her husband had been ill, and they were going to relist it, but the time limit to relist ran out, but she would try and list it in the next few days.  The only bad part about it, is someone wrote their initials on the jacket and record labels with a magic marker, but at least, if I win, I will have the 1971 release.  Thanks again for letting me know about it.  I don't always search the UK listings and they don't come up in the US listings unless they choose to have it show up in both locations.



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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/21/2013 02:26)


Glad to hear you still have a chance to pick up the album, Susan. You should tell the vendor to let you know when it has been relisted.

By the way, I think the vendor is located in the U.S., as it shows the item location is Port Huron, Michigan.


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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/21/2013 06:32)

Thanks Chip,

When I clicked on the link for the completed auction, it came up as eBay and the url ended had .UK in it and then the price listed in £ and then had an approximate $???.? United States.  I don't know if they listed it for both the US and the UK or not, but the vendor's wife told me she would let me know when she relists it.  Also, I have it in my search and to be notified from eBay when the album is listed from any vendor.  I'm glad that it was still showing up in the "Completed Listings" with all the pictures because, often a person will use a photo hosting site for the images in the auction, then when the auction is over, they remove the pictures to save space where their photos are stored.

I was curious as to how your images came out much better than mine?  I was under a bright enough light when I took the picture, and my walls are white, but the picture had a yellow tint to it on both Gatefolds that I posted.

Thanks again for all your help.

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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/21/2013 13:48)


Susan,

Those are stock photos I got off the Web years ago. I even have images of the back of the gatefolds. I'll post them below.


1973 Ronco:



1974 Ronco:



1974 Heino:




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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:06/21/2013 14:02)

Thanks Chip,

I took pictures of the back view of the 2 Gatefold jackets that I posted.  I like it because it shows them as if you were looking at the Carolers from the back and then the stuff that was visible from the front, which may have also been a person's back, you can see them from the front when turning the Gatefold around.

{EDITED by Christmas Always}
This record has been re-listed and I Pray that I win it.  The Vendor used the same starting bid and the shipping is reasonable.  I had thought that is was from the UK, being the link you provided, went to eBay.UK. but they are indeed here in the USA.  They do list 1972 as the year, but the record numbers are evidence that this is from 1971.

I thank you again Chip, for suggesting I contact the Vendor and see if they would re-list it, and they did.  I just hope that nobody else outbids me.  I will have to watch this item closely.


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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:07/03/2013 13:10)

Chip,

Sorry to bother you again about this

On the 2-record set The Best-Loved Music Of Christmas, 1971 with the catalog #P2S-5622 (the disc ID numbers were DS-821 for record 1 and DS-822 for record 2), and  the 1972 (catalog #P2S-5633 with disc ID numbers DS-928 for record 1 and DS-929 for record 2).

I received the records today with the disc ID number DS-821 and DS-822.  Of course the jacket from my copy still has the Catalog # P2S-5622.  Now on the jacket from which the LP's DS-821 and DS-822 came in, the pop-up was most likely glued on the inside of the jacket, and had come loose so it was taped to hold it in place, and the pop-up scenery is done with a slit into the cardboard and then a flap of the pop-up is glued on the underside, but the jacket on mine, the pop-up isn't completely glued like the other one is.

I can actually remove the pop-up from the jacket, of record #'s DS-822 and DS-823 and the entire scene will fold and open as if it was still attached to the jacket of the DS-821 and DS-822 the pop-up is about 2 inches shorter on each end of the gatefold.  On the one that has the DS-928 and DS-929 LP's, the pop-up is fully attached to the jacket and  just sections that pop-up are glued to the jacket and then the rest of the snowflakes and the evergreens are printed directly on the jacket and go all the way from end to end on the inside of he gatefold, but.

On the shorter DS-821 DS-822 pop-up printed on the lower left corner of the actual pop-up it shows
Printed in Columbia
All Rights Reserved
Columbia House Division

On the DS-928 DS-929 the pop-up, printed on the lower left corner of the jacket, it shows
                                                     COLUMBIA HOUSE
Designed and produced in cooperation with Columbia House by Dimensions International, Inc.
         2201 Grand Ave., Kansas City-All rights reserved.  Printed in Columbia

I'm sorry to make this so confusing, but is there a way to tell for sure if, being Columbia House used leftover jackets from 1971 for their 1972 releases, than why is my jacket the same, except that the pop-up isn't glued to the jacket like the first one?

The outer Gatefold Jacket is identical in every way, including the spine on both sets.

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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:07/03/2013 17:33)


Yes, this unfortunately has become quite confusing. And somehow a disc ID number of DS-823 has entered into the mix; but no matter anyway, as I really can't impart any additional info on the release than I have given already.


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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:07/03/2013 19:54)

Oh OK, I appreciate it Chip,

It is very confusing, especially because as I mentioned earlier, about seeing this 2-record set that I have not seen the catalog # P2S-5633, they have always been P2S-5622.  I don't know about the other LP's inside the jackets though as I didn't pay that close attention to them.

I do know that I have the 1971 Records, and one of the jackets has to be from 1971, but which one I guess I won't know for sure, but as long as I keep them both, then I have the original.

Thanks for all your help.
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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:09/29/2013 22:58)

Susan,

Hopefully I can be of a little help here.  This has always been one of my all time favorite Christmas albums from my little kid years and I purchased it originally back in December 1971.

This album was advertised on television during the 1971 Christmas season.  I did not know at the time it was from Columbia House, I just knew that I loved the songs they were playing during the television commercial.  I purchased the album for $4.95 (my mom wrote the date and price on the inside of the album cover) and received it through the mail.  As far as I know, it was never available in stores.

After owning the album for a season of playing, disc 2 warped.  I noted that the record was produced by Columbia House.  I spoke with my Dad who had been a long time member of the Columbia House Record Club, and he wrote to them explaining the problem and sent back my warped record along with his note.  He also told me that he never recalled seeing the album for sale in his Columbia House Record Club flyers.  Now we are talking about memories from over 40 years ago, but I would guess that this album was a television sales item rather than a record club offer.

Anyway, Columbia House then sent me a replacement album (in 1972)  It was this replacement album that I have been listening to all of these years since.

Recently I acquired a still sealed copy of the album off of eBay.  I now own three copies.  All three copies of this album list P2S 5622 on the back cover.

The original album numbers from the set that I purchased in 1971 are indeed DS-821 and DS-822.

The replacement album (1972) shows DS-928 and DS-929.

There is most certainly a difference in the popup and how it is attached to the inside of the gatefold that is exactly as you described in your post.  The 1971 version is shorter on each end than the gatefold cover and floats above the gatefold itself when opened.  The 1972 version popup runs fully end to end inside of the gatefold and does not float above the gatefold, but is a part of it.  The printing you described matches my copies as well.

The still sealed copy I just acquired contains discs DS-821 and DS-822 and has the floating popup that is shorter than the inside of the gatefold.  This matches my original copy from 1971.

I'm not sure when Columbia House changed the number on the back of the album to P2S 5633 during 1972, but the popup design and disc numbers obviously changed in 1972 prior to the P2S 5633 change on the back of the album cover.  Does that answer the question that you had?

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RE:Question about a 2-Record Set 'The Best Loved Music of Christmas'
(Date Posted:09/30/2013 07:36)

Thank you Perry,

I appreciate the extra information.  I don't remember how I acquired my first set, if I ordered it through Columbia House or Record Club.  I can't remember when they changed their name, or if I ordered it via the Television Commercial.  The second copy obviously I received by purchasing it on eBay.

Thank you again.

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