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Posted on 11/12/2017 09:48

Rich,
I remember an Easy Listening station in the Burlington Vermont area that had a 32 hour Christmas Music marathon, it was sponsored by Chittenden  Bank, and though I don't remember the play list, I believe it was exactly the same for several years.  Being I don't currently live in Vermont, I can't say they still do this, but would venture to guess that if they do, it wouldn't be the great classics from the 1950's though about 1972.  I may still have a few audio recordings from one of these broadcasts on cassette tapes,  Unfortunately a lot of the tapes have deteriorated, and right now any of the cassette decks I have access to, all need belts in order to work.  So I can't check them out.
I believe a lot of the songs in the list are the same as your list.  I think they played this into the middle 1980's then they added more current artists.


Posted on 11/09/2017 10:18

Chip,
Thank you.  Yes, I don't remember the exact year that the WPIX glitch happened, but I do remember that I had come to the message board to do a post about it, and you had also mentioned about hearing the audio drop out or something and bumped your head.  I know that you work tirelessly to try and get this program to go as perfectly as possible, so when something goes wrong, you want to do everything you can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As for the problem on my end, it could be something with my DVR.  But the signal didn't drop out at all.  Could be a hard drive glitch when recording on the DVR.

I won't be home to monitor the broadcast this year, but can access my DVR while I am away.  I just hope the weather will be good so there won't be any signal problems.  Either with Satellite or OTA.


Posted on 11/08/2017 12:55

Chip,
I am in the process of copying the 2016 Antenna TV broadcast to my computer to eventually burn to a DVD, and though I haven't been continually monitoring the transfer, I was just listening to Jingo Jango, and about 3/4 of the way through, there was an audio glitch.   I don't know if it is on the WPIX broadcast or not as I haven't fully watched it yet.  Is this just me, or was there a small glitch last year?  I don't think it was an OTA Signal problem because it that happens, I get a message on my screen that The Digital Television signal was interrupted and part of your recording was lost.

I remember a few years back, I was watching it as it aired, and there was an audio glitch.  If I remember correctly you were monitoring to too, and were in another room and heard the audio glitch, and rushed to your TV to see what was going on and bumped your head.

I don't remember if this was during the first year of the 4-hour broadcast or if it was when Antenna TV first broadcast it.

[EDITED] After I initially posted this, I am noticing that the audio levels aren't constant  I didn't notice this when I first started copying it to my computer, but for the last 30 minutes or so, it has been fading in and out considerably.  The video is perfect, so I don't believe it has anything to do with how it was recorded on my DVR.



Posted on 11/07/2017 13:47

In my area, (Buffalo) it is difficult to pick up most of the TV Stations since the "Digital Transition"  Most broadcasters don't even transmit at 1000 KW anymore, and being Digital it is a very narrow signal.  Their antenna towers are much shorter than they were with we were still Analog. and most used to transmitted at  500,000 kw Visual and maybe 480,000 aural.  (Just used that wattage as an example being the there were actually 2 frequencies received by the TV Tuner and converted into one, the channel you were on, and Visual was somewhat stronger than Aural)
I have tried several different indoor antennas, even a home made bow-tie one.  It seems to work the best, but digital transmission are affected by any type of interference, so it is still difficult to pick them up reliably,  Even bad weather will interfere with the signal.  It does help in the transmitter is under 10 miles away, but in most cases they aren't.

Dish Network and I believe the other providers do not have to give you the secondary channels, just the primary.

I do pick up Antenna TV somewhat reliably, but other networks like Get TV and Retro (COZI, THIS-TV) etc., that broadcast a lot of Classic Christmas programs.  i.e. Bing Crosby. Andy Williams, Perry Como, Danny Kay and Gisele MacKenzie  Dinah Shore are very hard to pick up.

The housing project where I live doesn't allow outdoor antenna's.  I do have a satellite dish, but had to pay a non-refundable $100 deposit, and the dish isn't physically attached to the building and no holes were drilled into the building.  They used a flat coaxial cable that goes under the window sill.  My dish is mounted on a pole in a 5-gallon bucket filled with concrete.


Posted on 10/19/2017 06:46

That's awesome Chip 

Posted on 10/18/2017 07:26


Chip,

I wasn't allowed to post a "New Topic" so I will ask my question here.  It says I don't have the privilege to post a new topic.

Any news on the 2017 Yule Log Broadcast?  Will it be a 5-Hour broadcast this year?



Posted on 09/25/2017 14:53

Thanks Chip,
It would be nice to see if there was any additional information to add to the special.


Posted on 09/24/2017 11:27

Chip 
 I was just curious if WPIX has any intention of adding to their 2006 promotion A Logs Life maybe how they did find the original 1966 footage in their archives and maybe some of additional information about the yule log?

I'm not sure if I'm asking this in the proper Forum if not please move it thank you.


Posted on 09/06/2017 07:12

Thanks Chip,
I appreciate it.  It would be nice to have the full song listing though.  I would doubt that there would be any information in WPIX's archives from their WPIX FM Broadcasts.


Posted on 09/04/2017 16:18

Chip,
I may have asked this before, but, has the Original 1966 Broadcast of The Yule Log, soundtrack  been identified, and the order the songs were played?  If memory serves, there were a lot more songs by the some of the artists, and I believe there was at least one song from Andy Williams.

Obviously, "Christmas Is Christmas" by The Singing Angels wouldn't have been in this broadcast.

I am trying to compile the list so I can add it to the 1966 footage of the 1-hour broadcast to make my own DVD.   Thanks.


Posted on 08/16/2017 11:27

Thank you so much Chip,  I really appreciate it.

Posted on 08/16/2017 10:46

Chip, an anyone else who might know.  I have this album in my collection that doesn't state the year or artists on it.
It is on Varsity, which from what I can tell from the printing on the bottom of the back of the jacket is actually RCA Records. (Record Corporation of America Union City, NJ)

It is catalog # 6905

I had to reformat my computer once again because Windows-10 mandatory update slowed down my Wi-Fi at least 80%, and I haven't installed my scanner drivers yet, but took a picture of the front of the jacket with my Smartphone.

Album Jacket


Posted on 08/16/2017 10:37

For at least the last 3 years, maybe 4, Antenna TV did air the full broadcast of The WPIX Yule Log.,, but at Chip mentioned there isn't really any guarantee that they will continue to do so, and you risk them putting in their local bumpers.

I know that in the Buffalo area, if you want to get Dish Network, they can give you WPIX from NYC as an Superstation, but it isn't in HD.  Still better to get WPIX in SD rather than not get it at all.

Spectrum, (Time Warner Cable), Verizon FIOS, and DirecTV do not offer WPIX at all, and they say it is because they "don't want to waste bandwidth"  But I have been a previous customer of DirecTV, and Cable TV, and they give you your local channels on their respective channel number, but then again in the 2000's or 3000's or 4000's etc.  How many places do you need to receive your local channels?.  In addition to duplication the local channels, they give you several infomercial channels too and at any given time, you can see the same infomercial on several channels.  There are other networks that are duplicated too, QVC for one.  If this isn't wasting bandwidth, I don't know what is.
I actually receive WPIX, WWOR, WSBK, KWGN and KTLA as A la Carte Superstations.  You can get them individually, for I believe 2.00 or 3.00 a month, but the entire package is about 7.00 a month.

Dish Network is the only provider that offers you these stations when you have the same networks in your local broadcast area.

Another reason the other providers don't offer them, is they claim that the local broadcaster have a Direct Marketing Agreement or something, and if you receive these networks locally, you cant get them from a Distant Network Broadcaster.

On a different note, Ray probably already knows this, being in the Buffalo area, we also get MeTV on Channel 5, and the television service providers only give you their main feed, WBBZ inserts their own local programming several times throughout the day, such as  The Daily Buzz and on weekends they have a local bowling tournament.  We are supposed to be receiving The Wild, Wild West, and a couple other great classic TV programs, but they don't give them to us from the network feed and give us local programming.

They do broadcast the full MeTV schedule on their secondary channel, but their transmitter is too far away for anyone to pick them up, being they are a low power station, and the television service providers "Don't have to give us the secondary channels"


Posted on 12/25/2016 13:56

Our Antenna TV Affiliate had The Tonight Show with Johny Carson bumpers a few times in between the 1-hour pan in and pan out..  But I didn't lose OTA Signal.  So that is a plus.  I love the 5th hour of music too.

Posted on 12/25/2016 10:35

Genoman, I am not the expert, but I believe that the jerking was caused because of it only being a 17 second loop, therefore the transition wasn't smooth.  Yes part of the jerking could be from the sprocket slots in the 16mm film.  I would venture to guess that this found footage is in good condition for it's age. so there shouldn't be sprocket slot wear.

I wholeheartdly agree with you that there is a certain magic to having it back on Christmas Eve.  And of course being the original 1966 footage, it brings back such good feelings.  (Not that there is anything wrong with the California re-shoot and a lot more people probably remember that footage if they hadn't watched The Yule Log prior to that filming)  I am glad that somoene else agrees with me.

Though I did watch this in 1966 and consecutive years, it wasn't until 1971 that I was able to watch it in full color.  We only had a B&W televison and our first year living in Westchester County, we still didn't have a Color Television, but we got one for an early Christmas present in 1971, so we were able to watch it in color as well as listening to it in Stereo on WPIX-FM.

Prior to that we were living in Burlington, Vermont, and being there were maybe 4 or 5 TV Stations, the cable company gave us WPIX on Channel 11 and after the Canadian French Language station on Channel 2 went off the air, we would get WCBS Channel 2 and could watch The Late Late Show and then The Late Late Late Show, which were usually the Classic B&W Movies.

When we moved back to Vermont in 1975, WPIX was still on the cable system along with HBO and Showtime, but then only one channel each,  So I was still able to watch the Yule Log.  I don't remember the year, but I was using my VCR to tape it too.  Unfortuantely, only one tape survived because there was a pipe leaking above where I had some of my tapes stored.  I think it was the 1986 broadcast.   I had sent Chip a copy when he was trying to get the song list completed, it might have been 1985.  But I still continued watching every year.  Sadly, the cable company no longer offers WPIX to it's subscribers.  I was fortunate that Dish Network lets us have WPIX, WWOR, WSBK, KWGN and KTLA as Superstations.  So I am able to continue viewing The Yule Log.

Congratulatons on the Vintage Vinyl.  You might catch up to Chip and myself, but I'm not even close to Chip yet.  I would never be able to catch up to him.

Chip, KUDOS to you on the music for the 5th hour.  It is so approrpiate for The Yule Log.  Thank you for all your hard work.

I don't know how I'm going to fit it on a single DVD+r lol.  I know the DVD9's hold more but they are more expensive too.



Posted on 12/25/2016 05:59

Chip,
I wasn't implying that WPIX replace the highly superior California re-shoot with the 1966 footage by any means.

I can't say that I have invested most of my time and resources in getting the music restored and adding the 4th and 5h hours to the program either.

As you know, Christmas is a huge part of my life and we both have been collecting Vinyl records for about the same amount  of time.  Though I can't say that my collection is anywhere close to yours.  It is larger than most people.

The WPIX Yule Log has been very near and dear to my heart and though I don't have the resources that  you and your predecessor had, I can say my love for this great program is probably as deep as your.  I am a very dedicated fan of the WPIX Yule Log.  I haven't missed a broadcast since 1966.  And whether I watch it live it or recorded I intend to watch it for many years to come God Willing.  I watch it during the year too.

As for my opinion about the flickering flames, I do love that they were much fuller in the 1966 footage.  And the burning log is fuller.

Yes the quality isn't that good from the 1966 footage,   But if you were to compare the unrestored 1970 footage to the restored, the difference might be similar.

Yes I realize that WPIX wouldn't invest time and money into digitally cleaing up the 1966 footage because of it being such a short loop that it would be jerky and therefore not worth it for many reasons.

The andirons in my opinion have that extension toward the center on the 1966 footage and  look better to  me.  My love for this beautiful music is so deep that even if the 1970 footage had never happened, I would be more than content to watch 4 to 5 hours of original 1966 footage being it would be better than no fireplace  all.

Please don't get me wrong,  I fully appreciate your time and resources involved in restoring the music so that people can appreciate this beautiful program for generations to come.  I'm addition, I want to add your hard work on getting all the great Christmas music released on CD.

If it wasn't for dedicated persons such as yourself, the great gift that Fred Thrower gave us might never have been able to continue giving.



Posted on 12/24/2016 22:31

Chip,

I can't say that I exactly remember how the original fireplace looked being I was only 8 years old at the time, and no video tape means existed, and no camera photos taken, but I do remember definitely watching it in 1966 and every year thereafter until the California re-shoot, though we didn't realize that it was redone until the WPIX Special "A Log's Life"  and I was fortunate enough to see each broadcast up until 1989 and then (2000, on the Internet) 2001 to present.

This is just my opinion, but I like the flames and logs much better than the California re-shoot.  the only "Jerking" I can see, is it appears as if someone was holding the camera instead of it being on a dolly, but it was on a dolly. Other than that I really love it!!!!!  Yes, I know that the California re-shoot is highly superior but I really love the andirons and the flames.

I took a picture of the TV screen using my laptop computer, but the camera doesn't work correctly, so the image is very grainy.

As you should be able to see, there are black bars all around the screen, and zooming in doesn't make a difference other than the image is a little larger.  The PIX11 logo, goes beyond the video, so I am guessing once again that The Yule Log broadcast won't fill the screen either.

I have asked Dish Network about this and they tell me that WPIX won't allow them to give us the HD feed because this isn't a local TV station for us, but is a Superstation.

I just hope that our Antenna TV affiliate doesn't superimpose their large WGRZ 2-2 logo on the screen or that they don't interrupt for anything else.

(EDITED to correct typos and to change the size of the picture. and add more notes!!!)

My Television screen is 55 inches, and on the sides in this image of the screen there is almost almost 10 inches of black on both sides and the PIX11 Logo is partly in the video, so the normal WPIX images would extend about 5 inches away from the actual edge of my Television screen on both sides.  (Being this is the SD feed)  The black at the top and bottom is about 3 inches.

Now for regular HD broadcasts, i.e. my local channels, 99% of the time the image fills the screen without zooming in, but occasionally it has black bars at the top and bottom only.

Normally I get the 16:9  or 1.77:1 Screen Ratio, but when I get the black bars at the top and bottom only, i.e. watching a DVD/Blu-Ray, they are in 21:9  or 2:35:1 Screen Ratio.






Posted on 12/24/2016 09:39

Oh okay, probably something that can't be shared due to Copyright.
I wish we had VCR's back in the 1960's and early 1970's  I do know that commercial VTR's were around and the tapes were on large spools.  I think the tapes were 3 or 4 inches across, trying to remember my Middle School days when I got to work in the Media Resource Center and would be able to cue up video for a particular classroom and they could see it on the Monitors.

I don't remember the specific programs, but do remember that what was recorded still had to Cigarrette commercials in them.


Posted on 12/23/2016 20:16

Thank you Chip,
Glad to know my memory hasn't completely failed me yet, and hope it won't.

Do any of those bumpers still exist today?


Posted on 12/22/2016 20:44

Chip,
Am I mistaken, or were there bumpers stating something about the fireplace being taped/filmed from Gracie Mansion?  I want to say this was in the 1970's.

I think I asked something about this around the time the 3-hour soundtrack was restored.  And because the information about the California reshoot.  I remembered an announcementend on WPIX stating it was from beautiful  Gracie Mansion.


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