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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/06/2012 00:35)


James,

When Columbia issued the double LP of Mr. Faith's 2 Christmas albums in 1958, there were no plans in the works for him to re-record Music Of Christmas. That decision did not come until the spring of 1959 (the actual recording dates were Tuesday June 16th and Friday June19th).

Columbia reissued the Double LP sometime in the early '60s.



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/06/2012 12:14)

I'm surprised that Columbia didn't offer, in addition to the mono TCAOCM,  a stereo set  of TCAOCM containing the rerecording of MofC with Hallelujah and just note that the MofC was a new recording and that the original mono recording was available on C2L-15. Or perhaps they could have just replaced C2L-15's 1954 mono recording of MofC with the mono disc of the 1959 rerecord (with a note saying this is a new version) and give it a new catalog number so the mono sets contents would now correspond with  the new stereo set (if they'd put one togther,that is).

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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/06/2012 12:28)

Now you're assuming Columbia Records (and successors Legacy/Sony) acutally use logic about music lovers and their stereo records!  We take it seriously, but I wish somebody at 51 52nd Street cared about music as much as we do and did their own proper remastering of Percy Faith's Music of Christmas from 1959 - Columbia DID remaster Andy Williams' first 2 Xmas LP's along with Johnny Mathis (w/Percy Faith)  & Barbra Streisand's early Columbia Christmas releases.   ....and...IF they don't want to remaster the '59 MofC, let somebody else do it right this time as noise reduction technology has evolved greatly since their hastily released CD in 1990.

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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/06/2012 15:10)

I myself don't think that Music Of Christmas from 1959 needs remastering or remixing being Percy Faith totally re-recorded this album over in 1959 and it sounds just beautiful the way it is and I've mentioned this before, that if you listen the the 1954 album by itself and then listen to the 1959 album buy itself, you won't notice much of a difference other than it being in Stereo, but if you were to listen to both albums side by side, you would find a few subtle differences and also that there are some songs that are a few seconds longer on the 1959 recording.

Remastering it or remixing it would ruin an already perfect album, so they just need to take it from the master recording and not change a thing.  Don't mess with perfection and in this case, Percy Faith's music is perfect the way it is.

When they remaster music, they often add reverb or make certain tracks louder.  I don't know how many tracks the actual master was recorded in, but they had to mix them into two channels.

I don't think there is anything they could do to improve on Music Of Christmas from 1959.  It's absolutely perfect and beautiful the way it is.

{EDITED by Christmas Always to correct a typo and add a missing word to correct grammar in a sentence}



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/11/2012 00:12)

Chip,

Any news on how and when I can order these two CDs yet?. I listen to the samples on the mp3s at Amazon, ang the music is quite relaxing, sweet and superb. I want to own both of these soon and my hands are itchy; hope to order these CDs soon.

11-11-12 @ 01:17 AM
Follow-up to above message:

Chip, I just saw the 2 CDs as a pre-order in Amazon and it will be released on November 13? Disc 1 and Dis 2

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Music-Christmas-Percy-Faith/dp/tracks/B0098I7TOK/ref=dp_tracks_all_2#disc_2

Is it the fastest way yo order this? or there will be a faster one shipping to Australia?


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/11/2012 01:22)


Amazon is your best bet, Nestor.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/12/2012 12:07)

Chip,

I have bugged Legacy/Sony for years to remaster the stereo version of Music of Christmas.  Today, out of the blue, I received an e-mail from them saying that it is "currently being reissued!"  I sent a reply e-mail asking them if they are talking about the stereo version or the 1954 mono version coming out next week on the Real Music label.  Whether they'll reply is questionable, since this is the first time they've ever contacted me in all these years. 

Part of me thinks they're referring to the mono version, but if that's the case why should Legacy notify me since it's Real Music issuing the product?  I checked Amazon, but I found no new version of the stereo CD--although they are out of stock on the item as direct sellers, a situation that happends ever fall on Amazon.  

Do you know anything about this, Chip?

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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/12/2012 16:27)


Tommy,

Sorry to disappoint you, but you misunderstood them. What they meant is that they are re-releasing the same version that they do at this same time every year. However, it's possible that they are referring to Gordon's new CD, which will be released tomorrow. But either way, unfortunately, there are no plans for Sony to re-remaster the stereo recording.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/13/2012 16:35)

We received Percy Faith, The Complete Music Of Christmas today and it is fantastic to hear this music. The 6-eye "label" is a nice touch too...
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/14/2012 01:22)


Glad to hear that you liked the new CD, Jeff. I hope that others will be pleased too. It was a sheer joy working with Gordon on this one and I am just elated that he finally took me up on my suggestion to reissue this legendary music by this most legendary of all Christmas music artists, Percy Faith. Glad that you also liked the 6-eye label on the CDs.






*[Edited 11/14/12 to correct typo]


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/14/2012 10:19)

Jeff, where did you order the CDs from that you were able to get them the day they were released? That's speedy service!
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/14/2012 17:51)

I actually did not realize we got them on release day! We are Amazon Prime members and have a major Amazon warehouse/hub less than 40 miles away so that helps too, I'm sure.

And Chip, kudos to you once again for your efforts. Of all the new releases we purchased so far this season, the Percy Faith release is the true highlight for me (my wife is leaning toward giving the Perry Como Complete Christmas Collection that honor and I would consider that a close second).


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/14/2012 22:40)


Thanks for the kind words, Jeff. I'm glad that you're enjoying the new CD.





For everyone out there, I thought I'd share here some personal comments about the new Percy Faith release:


Listening to this new CD brings very mixed emotions for me to say the least...

First of all, when listening to the 1954 mono version of Music Of Christmas -- as beautifully remastered as it is -- it is so painful knowing how far superior the 1959 stereo re-recoding is -- not just technologically because of the stereo, but most importantly, artistically as well. Percy Faith had grown so much as an artist in those 4 short years and it really shows in the 1959 re-recording. It is far more powerful, sweeping, majestic and reverent than its mono predecessor.

Then, listening to Hallelujah, which was absolutely brillianty remastered by Maria Triana at Battery Remastering Studios here in New York, it is just heartbreaking to think how equally magnificent a job she would have done with the 1959 stereo re-recording of Music Of Christmas if she had been given the opportunity to remaster that as well. Truly I tell you that if it takes me the rest of my life I am determined to get that sacred 1959 re-recording the proper remastering it deserves.

And Lastly, regarding the liner notes that were written by Michael Ragogna, a few corrections:

First, he claims that many Percy Faith followers "agree" that the 1954 mono version of Music Of Christmas was the so called "purest." Well, I can categorically tell you right now that not only do I strongly disagree with that assessment, but I am acquainted with the most leading Percy Faith experts in the world and I've never met a single one that agrees with that as well. Among these folks are Alan Bunting of the BBC in Scotland and Bill Halverson here in the U.S. Second, Mr. Ragogna incorrectly stated that Mr. Faith's third Christmas album, Christmas Is, was released in 1965, when in fact it was actually released in 1966 (the actual recording dates were
Wednesday, August 17th and Thursday, 18th in Los Angeles). And third, he incorrectly stated that all the tracks on Christmas Is feature a mixed chorus, when in fact it was a female chorus and only 6 of the 11 tracks feature this female chorus; the other 5 tracks on the album are pure instrumentals.

By the way, speaking of the liner notes, I had asked my friend Alan Bunting in Scotland if he would like to write the liner notes for the new CD. But after careful deliberation, he respectfully declined as he didn't feel he could he could put his full heart into it because of the inclusion of the 1954 mono version of Music Of Christmas as opposed to the 1959 stereo re-recording -- something I completely understood. After he declined, Gordon then hired Michael Ragogna to write the liner notes instead. And except for the three errors that I noted in the paragraph above, he did a pretty good job.



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/17/2012 18:37)

I just got my set today (along with the Arkiv issue of Andre Kostelanetz's Wonderland of Christmas-which is fantastic from packaging to CD!). Haven't listened to it yet but they did a great job on the packaging and the use of the stereo 6-eye lable. I only wish they had used the original mono label design on the CD for MofC-the red label with the light gold print as shown here: 



(image from http://heroinc.0catch.com/columbia/)

Unfortunately, the 6-eye label shown in the tray photograph is MofC's second label which was on the version found on C2L-15 (aka CL 1238-Hallelujah was CL 1239 in this set) or any CL 588 issue after 1955.


 

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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/17/2012 19:30)


First let me point out that Columbia Records began issuing the CL-588 LP on the "6-eye" label in 1955, not after 1955.

Second, the reason why Gordon used the "6-eye" label on the CDs is because it is much more well-known than the "non-eye" label of 1954. In addition, the overwhelming majority of the CL-588s that were printed were on the classic "6-eye" label; and that is the label that most people are familiar with today. So Gordon made the right decision.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/17/2012 22:36)

Thank you! I can see why Gordon chose to use the more familiar labels on the discs and on the packaging. I meant that the 6-eye label was extant on releases pressed from and inclusive of 1955 onward. That was my intent and I guess i should have made that clearer. My apologies for any misunderstanding.
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/17/2012 22:47)

So is the verdict thus far that the 2012 version of "Hallelujah!" is superior to the 1990's remaster by the 3 ladies that first put it into the CD format?

I would also venture that the 2012 remater of the 1954 LP is vastly superior to the junk released in the UK which is nothing more than a copy of an LP on a CD; technically better, but not artistically in the same ballpark as the 1959 masterpiece?

After reading about the way record companies have mistreated and lost the original master tapes, I'm scared that Columbia may have lost the original 3 track stereo 1959 Music of Christmas master tapes, or the hardware to playback this old original stereo tape format - I'm afraid the CD format may die off before Columbia ever allows somebody to remaster it as well, and I don't want MP3 junk copies either; a 44.1KHz CD minimum.  We've been waiting impatiently for 22 years now for MofC to be done right - not the "RCA-Camden cassette quality" hack job Columbia gave us on CD. 

 

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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/18/2012 00:43)


Yes,
Maria Triana's remastering job blows the 1997 Sony remastering away, simply because she did not remix it, just a straight remastering. I had never been happy with the 1997 Sony remaster. When Sony remastered the recording in 1997, they did a beautiful job but because of the remixing process, the music was altered slightly and the CD had a distinctly different sound and feel from the original 1958 LP. It lacked a lot of the punch that the original recording had. Thankfully, this new remastering job that Maria did was perfect. I'm so glad that Gordon made the additional investment to do a new remastering.

As for the original Columbia master tapes for the 1959 stereo recording of Music Of Christmas, I do not think they are lost. I think Sony knows exactly where they are.

However, Ethel Gabriel (the legendary RCA Records producer) has told me many a horror story of how things went missing in the vaults at RCA over the years. And Norma Camby (daughter of the late maestro Johnny Douglas) told me that she frequently has difficulty tracking down RCA masters of her father's recordings that she now wants to reissue on her Dulcima label.



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/18/2012 12:51)

Regarding the 6-eye label design on the reissue, I did notice that the "eye" used is in the style from the 2-eye releases on Columbia and not the same as the original which you can see on the inner tray label photos.
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/18/2012 19:37)

Chip--My copy arrived the other day--great sound and a great CD set!  Thanks for your help in getting this out and also congrats on the special thanks you received on the CD cover.  Very well deserved, my friend!
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/18/2012 21:19)


Thanks Grinchy, I appreciate it. Gordon has been very generous in his acknowledgements for me on the CDs that I have worked with him on.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/27/2012 17:31)

On the back cover of the CD, under Hallelujah!, it is listed:

11. What Child Is This Greensleeves)

Obviously, the music is not affected by this, which is most important, and it might appear as nitpicking, but something like this - missing the other ( , an obvious typo -  should never happen with a release of this magnitude. Or any magnitude, for that matter...
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/27/2012 21:48)


In defense of Gordon and Gabby, things like this DO occasionally happen -- even to the major record companies.

For a small independent record company that has released over 100 new reissue CD titles in only their first year of existence, I think that Gordon and Gabby have done a pretty damn good job thus far and I for one bestow a myriad of accolades on them.

My only real problem with the new CD is more with the three inaccuracies in the liner notes that were written by Micheal Ragogna, which I had discussed in my post of November 14, 2012 on this thread.

But with regard to this small typo on the back cover of the CD, yes, to use your own word, I think it is indeed "nitpicking." I think that everyone should just be damn thankful that this music is even getting released at all because I can tell you right now that no other record company sure as hell is going to release it, which is exactly why Gordon and Gabby started the new venture.



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/28/2012 09:01)

Well said, Chip!!!!! 

With all the CD's that have been released by Gordon and Gabby, the typo on the back is just that.  I have seen typo's on original record company releases of certain albums.  Hey, it happens, but that doesn't change the music, or all the hard work that went into getting it released.  As long as the songs are what are supposed to be on the discs, that is what really counts and then that they used the original artwork makes it even more special.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/28/2012 09:31)

Chip, if you are implying that by my expressing disappointment that the titles weren't proofread that I am not "damn thankful" that the music is being released at all, then you would be incorrect. I am thankful.

When you expressed diappointment that the liner notes contained innacuracies, I didn't take your disappointment and conclude that you were not thankful that the project was tackled.

When pages and pages are devoted to this historical release, and the entire project is discussed in depth, there should be nothing wrong with somebody pointing this mistake out. It's funny, one of things that attracts me to this board is the thoroughness and accuracy displayed in discussing the various Christmas albums, including the album covers.
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:11/28/2012 12:08)


Max_Cherry:


There is a prodigious difference between what I did in my post when I mentioned the inaccuracies in Michael Ragogna's liner notes (that Gordon and Gabby of Real Gone Music had nothing to do with) and what you did in your terse, all-negative 65-word post upbraiding Real Gone Music for this small, infinitesimal typo oversight on the back of the CD.

In my post of 11/14/12, which you so quickly referred to, I spent much of the first half extolling the virtues of the CD -- in particular, the absolutely flawless remastering job by Maria Triana. Then, and only then, in the latter half did I take issue with Michael Ragogna's inaccuracies in the liner notes: praise followed by a criticism. That is not what you did in your post.

I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone else on this message board pointing out an error in this CD or any Real Gone Music CD if one is discovered -- in fact, I strongly encourage it. However, it would have been nice and rather descent of you if you could have at least taken the time to temper your criticism with a little something positive to say as well.

Let me be categorically clear that it is not what you said, but how you said it, and moreover, what you didn't say that I took umbrage to. I would not so vehemently have taken exception to your message if it weren't for the inherent sardonicism that was unequivocally implied.
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/26/2012 08:04)

Applause (if you can hear it through my spirit, then I commend you) to what I feel is one of the most important re-releases not only done for Christmas, and 2012, but for the entire music-industry itself. HATS OFF COMPLETELY! I've had it in my player since the moment it arrived, and just can't get over how well it was remastered, but also how strong the music still holds up in production, all these years later; I've taught a few people, just how perfect Faith's (and Mantovani's) Christmas music is, and now, when I have an occasional carol of Faith's on rotation in my cd-player, everyone can now identify if its a "Percy" ... of if it's somebody else. If they ever-invented a Grammy/AmericanMuscAward for the best re-released seasonal album (which they SHOULD!), this, my friend, would be IT! 

Touche Master Chip,
and Real Gone? Keep 'em comin'! You're off to a great start!
These buried Christmas classics aren't just windows of history, they are windows of perfect musicianship and craftsmanship of the art of music itself!

Now back to listening.
Thanks for making RareChristmasMusicLover "have a happy!"

I hope everyone here at the blog is as ECSTATIC about this historical and long-in-the-making-and-remastered milestone! I still can't believe it's happened! A true miracle of miracles indeed! And the remastering was better than perfect! There should be an award for this release, and the those that were involved in ushering it in! And an award is also needed for the remastering of it! Again, HAT'S OFF!

And "Have A Happy!"

Speaking of having-a-happy, maybe Real Gone will now consider digging up and remastering and releasing Rankin's-&-Bass's "Rudolph's Shiny New Year" and "Jack Frost!" Those had wonderful scores, that should finally see the light of day! The original Rankin/Bass "Rudolph" soundtrack album, needs a definite remastering as well, given that the one that's been around there for quite a few years, is so shoddy-sounding.



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/27/2012 00:48)


Thanks for that very favorable and very gracious feedback, Joshua; glad to hear how much you like the new CD!


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/27/2012 15:57)

Hmmm. I may have to grab this. The only Percy Faith that I have on cd are the 1967 'Christmas Is...' album and the 'Christmas Melodies' cd collection.
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/27/2012 23:49)


Gene,

You are sadly missing out on the
greatest Christmas album of all-time (click here and here) if you don't have the 1959 stereo re-recording of Music of Christmas. This and Hallelujah are absolute must haves for any serious Christmas music collection.

By the way, Percy's third Christmas album, Christmas Is, was released in 1966, not 1967 as you said.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/28/2012 23:01)

Thank you for the correction Chip!! :-)
From which two albums did they draw the 'Christmas Melodies' cd? One of them is 'Christmas Is'. Which is the other???? Or is it more than two??
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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/28/2012 23:44)


Gene,

It is a compilation of Music of Christmas and Christmas Is.


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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/29/2012 22:12)

Gene & Chip:

I found the CD mastering on the Percy Faith "Christmas Melodies" compilation to be pretty decent, and much better than the audio on the two individual CD's that these selections are drawn from; likewise the 80's Ray Conniff Christmas compilation CD has decent mastering, unlike their 3 individual Christmas CD's which are flat in comparison to the compilation CD.

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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/29/2012 22:30)


Yes, I agree, John.



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RE:Percy Faith's 1958 LP 'Hallelujah' to be re-released on CD!
(Date Posted:12/30/2012 00:03)

Cool. Thanks!
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