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(Date Posted:12/23/2012 04:24)

On Saturday, Turner Classic Movies aired the rarely shown TV film, Carol For Another Christmas, starring Sterling Hayden, Ben Gazarra, Steve Lawrence, Eva Marie Saint, Pat Hingle, Robert Shaw and Peter Sellers. There was one huge thing missing from TCM's broadcast of this film and that was Henry Mancini's instrumental song that has the same title as the film (and the song is a memorable part of the WPIX Yule Log broadcast). I did notice that the opening titles of the film were chyron video graphics and didn't look like the original film titles. Is it possible that the Mancini estate refused to allow TCM to broadcast the film with Henry Mancini's song because of some music clearance issues. Chip, do you have any information about this? This was the first time I had seen the movie and was very disappointed that I did not hear Mr. Mancini's beautiful melody. Merry Christmas, Chip and everybody else here at the Message Board.
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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/24/2012 01:46)


TCM actually first aired Carol For Another Christmas on Sunday, December 16th. The Saturday, December 22nd airing was an encore presentation.

And I have absolutely no idea why Henry Mancini's great theme song was supplanted with another song for the opening credits of the print of the movie that TCM aired.

I am lucky enough to own an original print of this 1964 TV movie and my copy has the original opening music that Mr. Mancini composed for this film. The next time I speak with Felice Mancini (Mr. Mancini's daughter), I will ask her if she knows what happened.



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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/24/2012 12:54)

Thanks Chip for letting me know that the Henry Mancini classic piece of music was substituted during the opening credits which, like the replacement music TCM used, did not look like the original opening credits. Also, Henry Mancini's name was not shown in either the opening or closing credits. It's a shame that the experts at TCM did not notice the omission of Mr. Mancini's beautiful song from the opening credits but since this movie probably has not aired since 1964 then perhaps TCM did not realize that they were airing a compromised version of the film. Maybe next year TCM will broadcast a corrected version of Carol For Another Christmas with Mr. Mancini's original song at the start of the film where it should be.
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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/24/2012 21:00)


You're welcome, Jerry.

By the way, the background scenes for the opening credits of the TCM print of Carol For Another Christmas were the same as the original from 1964; although in the TCM print, they were a bit shortened. However, the actual credits for the TCM print were indeed altered and Henry Mancini's name was removed. As for the closing credits in the original 1964 print of the movie, Mr. Mancini's name was never mentioned.



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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/25/2012 14:29)

Chip and SYLF,
I never knew that there was a movie to go with that fantastic song.  Mr. Mancini and the Tonight Show Orch performed the song on a 1973? pre-recorded show called "Christmas with Friends" (that was played in the NBC Tonight Show timeslot) that I have been trying deperately to locate as it last aired in about 1983 before a new version was produced in the mid 80's - which version does have the soundtrack on LP.

Merry Christmas.

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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/26/2012 02:00)


Jerry and Johnny,

If you want to buy a copy of the movie as it originally aired on ABC-TV in 1964 with Mr. Mancini's music, it's available
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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/26/2012 07:33)

   I too happened to catch this movie-title when it was about to air, and knowing about Mancini's song, and how lovely and dramatic its melody was, the title of the movie-to-air, made me curious if the 2 were somehow linked(?) -- as I couldn't remember if Mancini's famous Christmas album (and its memorable cover) had any liner-notes that mentioned the origin of this song in either THAT cd-release, or the remastered version which later went under a different album name and had Mancini's photo on it (but at least one can obtain the remastered version that way, unless of course Chip, if you know of a better pristine version of the song, and which album one can find it on?), but I watched the movie in bewilderment, especially when Robert Osborne mentioned Rod Serling having involvement with the picture, and I was so hoping the picture, and the famous carol (that's a part of The Yule Log's famous roster; rightfully so), would be linked together. So reading your news Master-Chip of being a bit puzzled about its omission, is quite a mystery at this point; and considering Osbourne quoted that it "hadn't been shown since it was last shown in the 60s", perhaps he got hold of a too-early print or something which hadn't quite been given the Mancini treatment just yet.(?) So yes. Any digging up history of this, would be most welcomed Lawrence! As I watched this unique piece with a twist on the old Dickens tale, with great interest; noticing how well it was made, and what unique cinematography and directing it had (good transitions into other scenes), as well as a fine cast. But when I didn't hear the famous carol in which I was certain it was linked to while watching the whole thing, I was sure hoping that perhaps it was being saved for the film's poignant closing; and was so saddened that it wasn't, that I began to realize that in no way, could Mancini, and the movie, have anything to do with each other.

   Being a lover of film, I couldn't help but wonder how it would've brought even MORE to this memorable picture (which seemed to include an entire array of race-equality overtones, right down to its closing shot!), to have had Mancini and the movie be linked together. That carol has a way of building its melody on lush classicalness upon its intro, then dives into one of the most beautiful and surprisingly elongated abridgments EVER! I have the 2-disc Varese "Thorn Birds" soundtrack (in which they goofed up a bit a few years back when releasing it because a few key instruments Mancini decided to use, were left out of Varese's mix), and I recall that the piece listed on that soundtrack for one of the epic-mini-series' Christmas scenes, has traces of Carol For Another Christmas; I saw Thorn Birds first, before having ever come across Carol For Another Christmas, is the reason I noticed this sounded a bit familiar to me, even though Carol came out years before Thorn Birds did. But yes, sometimes, the score can lift the movie from unique ... and lead it into legend land. So the omission of Mancini's score on TCM's presentation, was sincerely a sad thing for the viewer; SO sad in-fact, that when my ear didn't HEAR the carol that matched its title during any frame of its story, I almost felt let DOWN and almost wanted to regret having ever watched it; but just couldn't, because it was such a well-made film, especially for a telefilm, and to know that's how telefilms were made then, my GOSH; how far we've slid off the production-value of telefilming SINCE! To newcomers, the MOVIE Carol For Another Christmas, if anything, serves as a great classic text-book example of how well-produced, written, acted, and directed TELEfilms once were, in addition to a further peek into Rod Serling's mind; which in MY mind, has always been a genius, that evolved us entirely, by tricking us into watching spooky Twilight Zone episodes, then delivering subtle social-commentary THROUGH that spook; how perfect it was, for a man such as him, to have been involved with this GEM of a picture. Wish they still made movies this well today, and WISHED they would've aired (or found) the print that contained Mancini's music.

   From what I have come to understand, Mancini always preferred (as many composers did in his era) that his films have their own separately recorded scores for their soundtrack-albums, rather than use the actual score he did for the desired picture. And although we all settled for those re-scored-for-album-presentation-soundtrack-versions-of-the-films for a few decades, recently, a few of his works have been dug up for full-scale-presentation on CD; finally representing his original scores (as heard in the films themselves), and audiences, young and old, have eaten these up; with complete-scored films such as "Charade" and "Hatari" getting wonderful releases from the Intrada Records label this past year I believe, as well as a few expansive Pink Panther releases from other labels. Many are now PRAYING "Breakfast At Tiffany's" will soon finally have ITS complete score out soon TOO! Especially given that it was one of his best, and launched the song "Moon River" into the world-lexicon, straight into Andy Williams' wondrous version of it. I would love if a SOUNDTRACK to Carol For Another Christmas was made, including all music used, and UNused.

   Forgive me if this has been written somewhere else Master Chip, but the print that was aired on TCM a few weeks back, the music they used in that version, is ANY of that score Mancini's do you know? I couldn't help but ponder, while watching it. Granted, it was well scored, but the missing famous carol, would've SO pushed the film into tear-duct land, had it just been used a few times; such as opening-credits, subversive element theme midway, and then in closing with full disclosing of the complete song that's now so famous; perhaps with the scene in the kitchen. That wonderful part in the song when it modulates into an almost entirely different and more dramatic piece that tugs at the heart and one's Christmas past, can already make us shed emotion, just for how transportive the carol, by itself, truly IS; so I'll have to acquire this release sometime, and will hope for a blu-ray HD release of it sometime. Loved the subtle tone in everyone's acting in the picture. Would've loved it even MORE, if Mancini's transcending Carol For Another Christmas had been used; particularly in the closing scene. God only know what was going on in Mancini's brain to come with such an original piece for not only Christmas, but for a movie; and in MY rule-of-thumb, any movie scored by Mancini, which DOESN'T utilize his tracks in the finished product, is truly a sad thing; given that he was so full of emotional range. It's good to see that a few were already discussing this song and the movie, here on the blog, when I thought I would've been the only one who caught it. I hope a more-correct Thorn Birds soundtrack gets put out sometime soon too; that was one of Manicni's most original and beloved melodic compositions.

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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/27/2012 00:45)


No Joshua, none of the music in the TCM print of the movie was Mr. Mancini's.

By the way, I spoke with Felice Mancini tonight and she told me that she has absolutely no idea why her father's music was removed from TCM's print of the film. She's especially disappointed because it's one of her favorites of her father tunes. She's going check into it to see why this happened.


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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:02/26/2013 00:03)


In follow-up to my previous post on this thread from last December, unfortunately, Felice (Mancini) has not been able to determine why the print of Carol For Another Christmas that TCM aired last December did not include her father's music. It was not a legal copyright issue because she and her siblings manage her father's extensive library of music.

However, the theory that I suggested to her is probably the most logical reason for the omission. And that theory is that the copy of the print that TCM aired was probably made before her father was signed on by ABC-TV to compose an original theme for the film. If she should find out anything different, I'll certainly post it here.



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Carol For Another Christmas on TCM again! 12-19-2013! Will it have Mancini's music this time?
(Date Posted:12/07/2013 06:03)

Interesting Master-Chip. Forgive me, but I forgot to subscribe to this thread here (won't make THAT mistake again! But you know me, indeed, we humans can get rather busy this time of year!), and thus, never knew you had contacted Felice Mancini, and even SHE didn't know why her famous father's famous score wasn't featured on Turner Classic's cut.(?) But THIS JUST IN! I just clicked over to TCM's site, and CAROL FOR ANOTHER CHRISTMAS is going to get re-aired, here in about 2 weeks, on Thursday, December 19th, at 2:15 AM, eastern-time on TCM again!, for those that have never gotten a chance to fetch this Rod Serling gem; (and in HD too! for those that have TCM-HD!). So set your DVRs, or like me, just pop in that old physical-media-thing called a blank-DVD, and fetch it again for future use. But here's the question Mr. Lawrence: do you know if they'll be airing the CORRECTED version this time, with Mancini's music intact? Instead of missing-in-action!? If so, do tell. And for those interested in having TCM email you a reminder a week ahead of time, as well as a day ahead, so that you don't miss it, given that it's airing rather late into the night/early morning, here's the link: once there, just click on "reminder", and enter your email and make sure that you're watching it in your right time-zone; it's one of TCM's best features to ensure that you don't miss your rare stuff that they air: http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/963811/Carol-for-Another-Christmas-A/ 

Who knew Steve Lawrence would be so convincing in this film?

Also, for those also interested in MORE MANCINI, especially his un-released score to Breakfast At Tiffany's (which has a GREAT restoration job done on its blu-ray I might add; which also features FELICE on the bonus-features, singing "MOON RIVER" and tearing-up over it along side her dad while he plays it on piano!), after 50 years of the public never having the entire complete score-release, as it's heard in the actual film (and not just the re-recording that became a top-seller in the early 60s; literally ushering in the popular "score" album in which Henry helped define) ... it just got released by Intrada Records THIS PAST WEEK! Here's the link to sample the tracks, and buy "Moon River" ... finally, as it was heard in the film! Both by Mancini himself, as well as the film's star; Audrey Hepburn: http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.8320/.f?sc=13&category=22848

The blu-ray-restoration compared to the old dvd-version is like comparing apples to oranges; it's THAT GOOD of a restoration; looks like it was shot just YESTERDAY. And in hindsite, one can't help but watch it, and wonder if they just mixed-up the recipe of the film, 30 years later, to come up with 1990's Pretty Woman. New York will definitely never look like THAT again, and Tiffany's on blu-ray, is one of the best ways to view NY it as its most prestigious glory; the mid 20th century.

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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/07/2013 15:25)


No Joshua, TCM will be airing the same print that they aired last December 16, 2012 (and have aired several times since). I meant to ask Robert Osborne (film historian and TCM host) about this the last time I spoke to him. I called him today, but I forgot that he just left for the TCM Classic Cruise, which sails tomorrow. I'll give him a call when he gets back and see if he can shed any light on this.



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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/15/2013 15:51)

[quote] Jerry and Johnny,

If you want to buy a copy of the movie as it originally aired on ABC-TV in 1964 with Mr. Mancini's music, it's available
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Has anyone ordered this?  I'd like to have it but the youtube link was no longer valid. 
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RE:Carol For Another Christmas on TCM - Where was Mancini's song?
(Date Posted:12/15/2013 18:53)

Persimmon:
I was able to find the whole 1-1/2hr movie as a black and white YouTube clip just last week - and it DID have the whole Manicini theme song!

Hopefully it's still there if you do a search for "Carol for Another Christmas" and buzz thru all the results until you see a B&W clip.

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