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(Date Posted:12/13/2005 01:29)

OK guys set the record straight for me. To the best of my memory, the Yule Log had several zoom out- zoom in scenes as is also shown today. During its original run especially during the 70's and 80's, when the camera zoomed out and showed the entire surroundings of the fireplace and hanging stockings, wasn't this time when Ch. 11 would have their station breaks and tell viewers what they were watching? I know that although those sames zoom out zoom in's are still present on the current version there are no station breaks now. But I always thought that each of  those zoom outs always signified it was time for a station break. Am i right?
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(Date Posted:12/13/2005 05:11)

Yes R.D., that is correct. Those half-hour breaks were an integral part of the program, and without them the pan-in/pan-outs are out of place and seem a little silly.  

Notwithstanding the fact that they digitally re-mastered the picture, this is one of the several reasons why the current Yule Log presentation leaves a lot to be desired. There's even a crazy dissolve glitch that comes out of nowhere in the middle of the presentation. That, along with the dreadful fact that they cut one hour of original music is decidedly why the current Yule Log is a poor shadow of its former self.    

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(Date Posted:12/13/2005 14:00)

Hey guru...regarding that "dissolve glitch" that you mention about. I noticed here and there on the current version a blurry spot here and there which initially appears like one of those pan-outs is about to start but does not go. Is that what you are referring to? The part that looks like a pan out is distorted by a few seconds of blurr.
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(Date Posted:12/13/2005 18:38)

No, this is what I call a "self-dissolve" -- meaning the picture dissolves away, and into the same picture of itself: This happens in the middle of a song as the fireplace is happily roaring along for no apparent reason whatsoever. Joe and I marvel at what the hell happened there -- very poor editing to say the least. I'll have to find the song and exact time in which it happens and let you know so you can see for yourself.
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(Date Posted:12/13/2005 20:22)

I spotted it last year when it was an hour and 27 minutes into the show, and it was during the reprise of Percy Faith's "Joy To The World".  As a matter of fact, we spoke about it on the old board a year ago.
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(Date Posted:12/14/2005 20:45)

Holy kvetching, Batman!  Seriously, with all due respect, there ARE worse things they can do to the Yule Log than just keeping some sloppy edits in.  Now if they changed the music or something, then I would really consider the YL presentation inferior.  As it is, it does not totally duplicate the presentation we saw up until 1989, but it is still a great nod to tradition, thankfully untouched by 2000s hands. 

Yes, it's another "just be happy it's back and doing well in the ratings" argument...

Off-topic, but the subject does remind me of a YL dream I once had, where it did zoom out at intervals...only out of the living room, then outside of the house!

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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 00:10)

But "2000's hands", as it were, did touch it. They not only cut one of the best hours of music in the program, but they even edited out half of "Mary's Little Boy Child" by the Pete King Chorale. This was understandable in 2000, the first year they brought the program back, as it ran only two hours. But now that it has been extended to four hours because of its ratings success, there's no reason not to restore that missing hour of music back to the program.

 

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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 04:38)

I see what you mean.  What I meant was that aside from the missing stuff, it is pretty much the same Yule Log we all know and love.  So you and Joe are "insiders," as it were, then?  That's cool.  Does WPIX collaborate with you on things Yule Log, or do you just make suggestions like the rest of us?  Did Joe or you ever find out why the third hour was missing? 

OK enough questions for now! 

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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 07:33)

The reason the hour was omitted is simply because the first year they brought the program back in 2000 it was only a two-hour presentation.

However, because the new revised program that began airing in 2000 did not include the customary half-hour breaks they had in the original Yule Log presentations, they had time to fill in. What they then did is they cherry-picked five songs from the hour of missing music.

Here they are:

1) "Carol Of The Bells" - The Hollywood Bowl Orchestra

 

2) "Mary's Boy Child" - The Pete King Chorale

*Note: For the current presentation they edited out half of this song and so it is aired in an abridged form.

 

3) "Away In A Manger" - The Living Strings

*Note: This song was the final song of a four-song medley, and it aired in its entirety in the original presentation. But in the current presentation they cut the first three songs of the medley and air only "Away In A Manger". The three songs cut from this medley were "O Come All Ye Faithful", "O Little Town Of Bethlehem" and "The Coventry Carol".

 

4) "Lo, How A Rose E'er Blooming" - Percy Faith

*Note: This song is actually part of a two-song medley ("Lo, How A Rose E'er Blooming" and "O Little Town Of Bethlehem") which was played in its entirety on the program up to 1972. However, with the advent of the "classic" program in 1973, they played only "Lo How A Rose E'er Blooming". In the current program the only thing they play from this song is the transitional music that bridged the two songs of the medley together -- that's all. Some hatchet job - hah? 

 

5) "O Tannenbaum" - The Hollywood Bowl Orchestra

 

So, as you see just from the editing done to three of these five songs from the missing hour of music, along with the fact that over twenty songs were deleted outright -- a lot of meddling went on.

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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 09:41)

This is partly a wild guess...

Maybe the reason they aren't playing some of those songs on the current version is due to copyright restrictions or clearances with the publishers? Before 2000 there wasn't as much of a ballyhoo over copyright and such but now there may be a problem. Some of the artists, or their respective copyright owners (or whomever), may have objected to WPIX playing the tunes or demanded royalties. With such folks and especially the RIAA being lawsuit-happy it wouldn't surprise me if they (WPIX) may have been told to either stop playing the song(s) or pay a hefty fee.
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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 17:40)

No, that's not a wild guess -- but a very good one, and logical.

But happily, that is not the issue.

It's simply that they edited the program down to two hours in 2000 because that's all the time they allotted for it to air -- apparently thinking it would be a dud in the ratings, and also, most assuredly, to limit their losses financially because of the lack of sponsors as the program is commercial free. Then when they bumped it up to four hours, they decided just to show the same revised two-hour presentation twice consecutively, instead of re-editing the program back to its original form with all the missing music. It was the path of least resistance.

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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 19:23)

Hey guru...very interesting point. So if this info is so "golden" as you put it for WPIX to refer to for a possible restoration of the 3rd missing hour, why do you suppose they have not done it up to now? For all the rave reviews the YL has received after coming back, it would make sense for WPIX to work on restoring it to its full length and utilize this web site to their advantage...agreed? This web site didn't just start up yesterday, you know!
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(Date Posted:12/15/2005 20:08)

The answer is very simple...apathy.

You have to understand, they didn't have any idea when they reinstated the program that it would have this kind of appeal (read my previous posts above).

And yes, considering the ratings, it would make sense for WPIX to work on restoring the program to its full length and using this website to its full advantage -- but it's incredibly naive to expect people or companies to do the logical.

Do you have any idea how hard Joe had to work by creating the site and staring a petition drive just to persuade WPIX to bring the program out of retirement? 

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(Date Posted:12/16/2005 04:01)

Hey guru...yes you did clear things up for me, and thanks again. There's just 1 other thing I still don't understand. Once WPIX brought the YL back, I myself was able to tell where part of that 3rd hour had been edited out. I took note of the fact that "Mary's Boy Child" was an abridged version as well since my audio copy I have(from WPIX radio) has the complete version and other tracks which are now missing from the current version. Obviously, someone either from WPIX or an affiliate had to be responsible for cutting off what was there from previous showings. So therefore WPIX should not be 100% oblivious about any missing parts. The YL belongs to WPIX, therefore someone at WPIX should know where that missing footage is. Am i repeating things too much here? I know that there have been talks about royalties for the artists who do those songs. But since the commercial free cost of the YL is now being absorbed more by the MTA and Macy's and not only on WPIX, then royalties shoud not be much of a burden for WPIX to absorb. If that is in fact the issue
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(Date Posted:12/16/2005 06:43)

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(Date Posted:12/17/2005 02:23)

Sometimes I wish I could replicate the missing hour on my copy of the YL, just for my own personal listening....ahh, wishful thinking!
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(Date Posted:12/17/2005 06:20)

No, not wishful thinking -- let's hope we can make that a reality for the 40th anniversary airing next year!

You might want to start thinking about going out and buying a recordable DVD player!

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(Date Posted:12/18/2005 09:02)

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No, not wishful thinking -- let's hope we can make that a reality for the 40th anniversary airing next year!You might want to start thinking about going out and buying a recordable DVD player!



Do the keepers of the Yule Log, over at WPIX/WB, have any clue as to what type of gem that they are in control of? Just the fact that after close to 40 years, people still cry to see the Yule Log each Christmas. They too away the FM telecast from us, and the Christmas Eve airing of the Yule Log....Why can they not just give the people what we want?
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(Date Posted:12/18/2005 17:55)

I most emphatically concur Trace.

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(Date Posted:09/04/2006 02:30)

As for me, I have That DVD Recorder. So,I can indeed Record a clean copy of The Yule Log. I'm going to record it this year..and preserve it for future use! And,since you mentioned that  there will be surprises, it will be,for me ,a memorable one!
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(Date Posted:09/04/2006 04:41)

We're not ready to make the announcement yet about this year's 40th anniversary broadcast of the Yule Log as we are waiting the go ahead from WPIX, but as I said before stay tuned and keep checking the website. It will be coming very soon, and believe me -- it's a big one. One thing I will proudly say is that this all happened due to the exclusive efforts of Joe and I working as a team to make it happen, so you have us to thank. In the mean time, if you don't already own a DVD recorder, my advice is to start making plans to buy one.

 

   

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