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(Date Posted:11/15/2011 09:09)

How many of you saw this article?

 CD-format to be abandoned by major labels by the end of 2012

Does that mean that our hopes of ever seeing Percy Faith's "Hallelujah!" on CD again have been dashed?
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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 15:00)

No worries folks, I spoke to Gordon Anderson today and he told me that he is not abandoning the CD and that his new record company, Real Gone Music, will continue to release them in the future. So you can definitely count on more great Christmas CD releases next year!

 

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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 21:32)

Chip, and everyone, I hope you don't find this offensive in any way as I don't mean it to be and I don't mean it to be inaccurate but based on my own personal knowledge, I am writing what I actually know and have been taught.  If anything is inaccurate, I apologize in advance.

I know a lot of people do prefer CD's, and it is convenient because of their size, but I wish that all record companies would bring back Vinyl as it was IMO the best sound possible being Analog.  The next best thing was to be there while the artist was actually performing such as a live concert in an auditorium or in the studio while they were recording the master audio tapes that were then used to make the die/plates for stamping/pressing the vinyl records.

I know some companies are bringing back Vinyl, but some of the albums are highly expensive while others are cheaper than CD's, but still they are Vinyl which is what I prefer.

I am not a 100% expert in this area but I did work for a Professional Sound Company for several years and learned alot about recording and editing music and even having record albums pressed etc..  But too CD's, and DVD's aren't capable of reproducing the frequency range that an Analog recording can.  But I'm sure Chip knows much more than I could ever know on this subject and other subjects for that matter.*

One must remember that when we "Digitize" anything, albeit a photograph, Record Album, even Television, that it loses it's quality. and once it has been digitized, you can't get it back to the full quality that it was before it was Digitized because everything is compressed so much to make it fit into a smaller space.  Then when it is decoded/decompressed you've lost some of the quality.

Here is a link that will explain what I am describing a little better being there is a graph, but it is basically what I have already stated.  There are other sources too, but this was the simplest one I found.

This is what is so upsetting to me about the Digital Transition for Television.  We were told it was to free up bandwidth for EMS, but in actuality, it was for the cellphone companies to be able to offer 4G speeds.  And now, we are forced to go with Cable, Satelite or FIOS to get most of our TV channels being the Digital TV signal is lower in power.  And we have to pay for it being we can't pick up most of the local stations anymore if you are not in a certain area.  Where I live, we have 10 local TV stations and their transmitters are at least 20 miles or more away from where I live and I can barely pick up 7 of them and then I have to repostion the antenna to get some of them and of course, I lose the ones I was getting before.  But before the transition, I could pick up every local TV station and even some from Canada and PA with just a set of rabbit ear antenna on the top of my TV.

I do understand that for people who like CD's that if the major record labels stop producing them, that it will be a great loss for these people.  But if you were to take a CD and a Mint condition vinyl record and play them both on a very high quailty stereo system, you would hear quite a difference in them and the vinyl record would actually sound better.

But at least, Real Gone Music/Gordon Anderson will still release CD's.  So for you folks who want their favorite Christmas albums on CD, they have a good chance of getting them, especially with Chips help, you have a much better chance too.*

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(Message edited by Christmas Always On 11/15/2011 21:39)
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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/15/2011 23:34)

You are totally correct Susan. For me personally, my affection for CD is strictly one of convenience. I can load up to five CDs in my player at a time and just play away. With the voluminous albums that I play given the size of my collection, I just don't have the time or patience to be flipping LPs anymore.

 

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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/16/2011 08:23)

Thanks Chip,

I agree with you too though as it is so much easier just to load up several CD's and not have to flip the album over.  Then too since the next album that drops isn't spinning and it lands on the spinning one, it can get light scratches.  So the CD's prevent that, but I do still like to actually pop on an album or 45 and listen to them directly from the turntable.  I think part of it has to do with the nostalgia of a bygone era and before technology changed and trying to hold onto that to keep it alive.

I only have my albums converted to Digital to preserve the vinyl from getting scratched but I also prefer listening to the actual vinyl and I do occasionally burn some onto CDRW's to listen in the vehicle, but I can always erase them and put something else on them.

I also prefer to manually set the tonearm on the album because I can control how hard the needle drops on it and also make sure it doesn't land on the track where the music is already playing.  I remember some older turntables had a height adjustment so when it lifted of the record at the end, it wouldn't scratch as it returned if you had a couple extra records on the platter.  Then too you could adjust where it would land on the record and some had a setting for 7 inch or 10 inch or 12 inch.  But the newer turntables don't have that.  Mine doesn't even have the "Damped Cueing" lever to lift the tonearm off the record or set it down gently.

I do have an older turntable that has all 4 speeds, but I need to get a cartridge and stylus for it so right now I just use my 2 speed USB Turntable.

MP3 players are OK if you're out jogging or something or on a trip and you just want to listen to your favorite music with headphones or earbuds, being you can't take a complete stereo system with you on a plane lol.  But again, I do prefer the full High Fidelity Sound from listening to the music on a good stereo system.

I just wish that I had the space to have all my albums out where I could just grab any one and listen to it, but alas, I don't, and even if I could get some heavy duty book shelves, there isn't the space here in my apartment so the rest of my albums are still packed in boxes and if I ever move to a place that has more room, I plan on having some sort of shelving such as what you have in your picture.

I hate it when I want to listen to something specific and I have to go through several boxes to find it and they are pretty heavy to have to move to get to the ones underneath.  The heaviest box I had for the movers was about 75 pounds and it had at least 200 - 250 albums in it, but the majority of the boxes are about 45 pounds.  You don't realize exactly how many records you have until you need to pack them up for moving.  Especially having well over 46 - 48 years worth of collecting and continuing to add to it when I am able to.

I think when I pass on from this world, I will donate my records to a museum with a stipulation that they can't sell them or play them, but just have them on display maybe with a setup of a mannequin in a room with a vintage stereo system.  Just to preserve them for future generations to know what we had in our time.

But I think the way things are going is that you will eventually be able to get something like and SD Microchip that has an entire music library stored on it and you just pop it into your MP3 player or something and be able to listen to your hearts content.
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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/16/2011 11:01)

Thanks, Chip, for relaying to us those encouraging words from Gordon Anderson of Real Gone Music.  It's great to know that there will still be more Christmas CDs coming down the pipeline.

But, it occurred to me that if the major labels stop pressing CDs, then the market for CD players will probably start to shrink, and CD players may go the way of the 8 track tape player.

But, I guess I needn't worry.  I get all my electronics as hand-me-downs anyway, so it may actually be a boon for me.  I mean, if folks stop playing CDs, then we will end up with this glut of unused CD players sitting around in basements, attics and closets, just collecting dust, right? 

And Ill bet that their owners be more than happy to pass one on to me from time to time.

So, maybe what we have here is a win/win situation:

More Christmas CDs on their way to us, and more second-hand CD players on the market.
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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/16/2011 12:42)

Will,

It's funny you should mention 8-Track players.  I actually have a working 8-Track Recorder/Player with the VU meters on it.  I have several tapes too, but they aren't all aligned with the head so I usually have to press down on the cartridge or lift up and insert a popsicle stick or something so I don't hear the other tracks in the background.  I can adjust the heads, but then the next tape would be off so it's just easier to wedge a popsicle stick in.

8-Track tapes were OK for a little while, but I hated that if the song didn't fit on one track they would fade it out and then the track would switch and then they would fade it in so you missed part of the song.   The capstan also had to be kept clean or it would eat the tapes a lot faster than a cassette player woud.

Now if I could only find a halfway decent Reel-to-Reel tape recorder that was affordable, that would be the ultimate as I have some tapes that have my mother's voice on them and it would be nice to hear her voice again and of course our voices from when we were kids.  Also, too there is a vast collection of Reel-to-Reel tapes out there that I have often had to pass on and they were only $1.00, but being it don't have a machine the tapes would be useless to me.  I've seen Percy Faith's "Music of Christmas" for only $1.00 on Reel-to-Reel.  So if I didn't have the actual album, the Reel-to-Reel tape would've been the next best thing.

They have a lot of the tape recorders on eBay, but the shipping is way too high.  And I have missed out of 2 machines just this month at a thrift store and litterally by an hour.  They basically go as soon as they come in the door and not very expensive either.
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FreeCycle groups in the New York region
(Date Posted:11/16/2011 21:14)

Hi Susan!

Do you know about the FreeCycle groups on the web?

These groups are a way for folks to pass on their no-longer-needed  possessions to others.

Virtually everything I own is a hand-me-down, and the better part what I have is stuff I got through FreeCycleSeattle:

my TV, stereo receiver, stereo speakers, a five-CD/DVD player, cassette deck, clock radio, flat panel computer monitor, etc., etc., etc., (even my shower curtain!).

Here's a link:

FreeCycle groups in the New York region

The usual rule for FreeCycle groups is that the recipient of the gift is supposed to go pick it up from the donor.  But since I don't have a car, and have difficulty getting out, many of the donors have volunteered to deliver their gifts directly to my doorstep.  Can you believe it?

You can even post messages stating what it is you need, and then FreeCycle group members will email you if they have what you're looking for.  It may take a while, but I'll bet that you could end up with a nice tape deck from your local FreeCycle group.

One caveat.  Sometimes folks will offer items that are no longer in working order in a FreeCycle group.  Maybe it's because they want to avoid the recycling fee.  Or maybe they honestly didn't know that the item no longer functioned.  Whatever the reason, you can end up with useless junk if you're not careful to make sure that the donor really knows that what they are offering you is in good working condition.

Good luck!

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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/16/2011 22:05)

Hi Will,

Yes, I am aware of Freecycle, but alas, every time I am looking for something, and I literally mean every time, I get SPAM responsed from people who have hacked into other members accounts and they send me a response with somehing like this: "OMG, you won't belive this, but I just threw mine away yesterday and the trash collectors have already gone by.  But if you go to WWW.blah-blah-blah.com  ( <----- ficaticous address, do not click.)  I just used it for an example.)  And then they tell me "that I can find what I am looking for there."  What it is, is a link to a few other sites and they aren't free and they want you to sign up for them.  Then too, 99% of the time, there is a virus attached to the link.

I have been working with the moderators of our Freecycle group and been able to give them the actual IP address and domain and everything that the email came from, but it ends up being a fake address and the information goes to some University that has nothing to do with the domain and there isn't any way of stopping this from happening.  The people will then delete the email address so you can't email them back either.

I have received items from Freecycle such as several record albums, but only because I was the first person to respond when someone listed them.  Then I have also given away things when I was moving or if we got a new AC but the one we had would work for a small room, we would give them away.

I'm still talking as if my longtime companion is still alive and I'm so used to saying "We" that it's a hard habit to break.  But I never get a genuine response to anything I'm asking for.

But I thank you for your suggestion.  I've tried Craigslist too, but there are a lot of false replies there and also it can be very dangerous.   This is a true story from about a year ago.  Someone had listed an item on Craigslist either for free or for sale, I can't remember that part.  But they agreed to meet in a public place during broad daylight. 

They met a a supermarket parking lot (no pun intended on Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi") and they did the exchange.  Then the person who was selling the item got stabbed and the person was trying to steal his car.  But fortunately an off-duty police officer was there and saw this going down, but wasn't able to stop the person from getting stabbed and he held the person with the knife at gunpoint until back-up arrived.  So you can see why I am leary about even using Craigslist.

I often see items that I am interested in on Freecycle, but I'm almost always too late so I miss out on them.  But occasionally I get lucky.  One time this elderly gentleman was selling his home after his wife had passed and he had several record albums and 45's and most of the 45's were picture sleeves and they belonged to his daughter.  They were well taken care of.  Then a few weeks later he had a Reel-to-Reel tape recorder he was giving away and I just happened to be the first person to respond and he told me that he wanted to transfer some stuff from his tapes to CD first.

Well, a couple months went by and I hadn't heard back from him so I sent an email.  He told me he lost my email address and also that he hadn't had the chance to transfer the tapes to CD yet and would get back to me, but that was at least 3 or 4 years ago now so I am sure he no longer has it and I know the house has been sold so he moved out of the area.

You almost have to be online 24 hours a day in order to be the first to respond.  Some people do get what they want when they ask, but a lot do get the SPAM responses too and the moderators can't stop them because the messages aren't coming from Freecycle, but the person is responding directly via emails and that bypasses Freecycle.  Freecycle doesn't want you to give out your address or phone number via Freecycle so the people do that through emails.  And it's so frustrating, especially when you've been looking for something for a long time only to get the fake responses.

I thank you again for your suggestion though.

Susan

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(Message edited by Christmas Always On 11/16/2011 22:07)
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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/25/2011 18:35)

About 10 years ago, automakers began manufacturing cars with an in-dash 6-disc CD changer.  Now with the flip to iPods, MP3s, satellite radio and in-car connectivity, you usually get only a single-disc CD player.  That's exactly what I got on my new car.

I haven't gone to an MP3 or iPod (I'm not an Apple user) yet and still enjoy CDs, but sadly, time marches on.  I've never been first on the block to get the newest gadget, but they always got me eventually!
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RE:Major Labels to Stop Pressing CDs in 2012?
(Date Posted:11/30/2011 10:46)

I read this same story in a local Chicago paper last week:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/13/entertainment/la-ca-now-40-20111113

It mentions the huge success of those "Now That's What I Call Music" cds (as a whole they constitute the #3 all time best sellers on Billboards 200 Albums chart-the Beatles are #1, Jay Z is #2) and 90% of sales are still of physical cds-even with downloading being available. Seems to me calling the cd dead is a bit premature at this point. I'm sure the major record companies would be happy to only have to deal with downloads since I'm sure it's a lot cheaper than pressing cds, etc. I realize downloads are the future but I think cds will still be around for a while longer-boutique labels, burn on demand, etc. I have an ipod and love it but for me it's no substitute for a cd or vinyl. I have a fairly new turntable and even a 1926 RCA crank portable phonograph in pristine condition-bring it out for the young people sometimes and let them hear the original portable music player-and it doesn't even require batteries much less charging! Speaking of things "ancient" I also have a few rotary dial phones in use and kids get a real kick out of them and always want to make a call on them. They usually call their Grandparents.
That's my two cents anyway.
 
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