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(Date Posted:29/04/2007 11:06 AM)
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Now published underhttp://www.caitruth.de- thank you, mailboy!__________________________________________________________________________________________________Mailboy and myself have decided to delete our posts here in this thread. Just this post will remain. Sorry for all who arereallyinterested in the truth of the history of the CAI and Mr. Williams (and there are some). But we have nofun anymore to waste our time in stupid discussions, misinterpretations and no fun to justify too much that we post and that what we have posted.I believe that some people of you (of course many are ok in my eyes!) really have to learn / overcome not to think in the ways they have done within the cult and not to think in the pattern of the ex CAI hierarchy. This is not valid anymore! I could see that many lost the respect. Maybe you say: yeah but where is your respect for Scott Williams? - I have all respect for him if he would change his very evil ways. As long as this is not the case I will not tolerate the evil and fight against it until I see success, otherwise I would be evil, too. Many will say: where is your respect for people like Klopperr. - I have all respect for him if he would not spit on me in his foolish way.For George: all has been said. You have a long way to go! I wish you all the best for it. My advise for a church for you isThe "Worldwide church of God"
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(Date Posted:29/04/2007 11:06 AM)

Now published under http://www.caitruth.de - thank you, mailboy!
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Mailboy and myself have decided to delete our posts here in this thread. Just this post will remain. Sorry for all who are really interested in the truth of the history of the CAI and Mr. Williams (and there are some). But we have no fun anymore to waste our time in stupid discussions, misinterpretations and no fun to justify too much that we post and that what we have posted.

I believe that some people of you (of course many are ok in my eyes!) really have to learn / overcome not to think in the ways they have done within the cult and not to think in the pattern of the ex CAI hierarchy. This is not valid anymore! I could see that many lost the respect. Maybe you say: yeah but where is your respect for Scott Williams? - I have all respect for him if he would change his very evil ways. As long as this is not the case I will not tolerate the evil and fight against it until I see success, otherwise I would be evil, too. Many will say: where is your respect for people like Klopperr. - I have all respect for him if he would not spit on me in his foolish way.

For George: all has been said. You have a long way to go! I wish you all the best for it. My advise for a church for you is The "Worldwide church of God"

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(Date Posted:30/04/2007 11:27 PM)

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Reply to : iclockedout4uReply to : mailboy / LTDNo this isn't a loaded question, I'm genuinely interested to know who sourced information suchas ASW being discovered in bed with Ken, by Ken's father, and the other specifics. Ultimately, it says to me that a bunch of pastors in Australia in the 1970's knew that a paedeophile was being sent abroad as a missionary - and didn't bat an eyelid.Is it OK with you that I ask this question moderator, sorry I mean mailboy?I am not a moderator. I was coerced into the PRC just after Scott went to Sydney. What I know of him, in part was told to me by him. Others I knew showed me the newspaper articles in a newspaper (which has since closed) called

This is all really interesting, mailboy, and I hope you find the strength to tell us more. It is all so different to everything I ever heard. I.e. I had no idea that you were actually part of the same group. I was always under the impression that Scott had left RCI and started his own group, and decided to go to Europe off his own bat. I had no idea he was "2nd in command" under someone else. He often berated people for not having a big cell group, whereas he had had assemblies in 50 million countries by the time he was their age, blah blah.

Also interesting to hear that Robynne was a super bitch, since she is the only Kinnane Scott keeps in touch with (or did when I was in the CAI) and he spoke glowingly of her.  Are the other Kinnanes still alive and kicking? And was Jim really the leader of the group, since according to the CAI website it was Scott, and it was only after he left that things got nasty.

Anyway, thanks again for anything you can enlighten us about.

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(Date Posted:01/05/2007 9:52 AM)

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Reply to : JustienYes Justien, Jim was self appointed "Pope" and Scott a mere grovelling "Cardinal". I was in the PRC for just short of nine years. Many was the time that Scott would be berated by Jim and he would look to me for sympathy. Almost never a week went by that Jim wasn't savaging Scott for something or other. I was the lackey that did the administration and all the printing of (they say) over nine million leaflets, in Ballarat and later in England, under Jim's command via my so-called pastor to supply leaflet in German to Scott.Robyn told Scott she was "cohabiting" with some poor sap after she and Rob divorced. Scott feigned (and doesn't he do it oh so well) that he did not understand. I told him that they were horizontal dancing. So Scott spoke glowingly to you all of an adulterer eh?Scott had me fooled too. He would tut tut at m

Hi mailboy,

it was quite increadible to read your posts among a fair amount of garbage that flooded the board! Very informative and interesting indeed. If you do not mind, I would like to ask you a question to put some thing into perspective. You might guess we got to hear quite a lot of stories about the PRC (or whatever it was called) and how Scott brought a lot of life into it when he got saved, converts, how he was mistreated in Germany blabla. At the last "half-a-salmon" (Hauptversammlung), or "AGM" as it was dramatically renamed, we even got to listen to some of the tapes that Jim sent over to Scott to Gernamy. So the questions are:

- was it so that Jim was in charge of Scott? If so, then this would make the famous Changing Assemblies file (a set of Scriptures supposedly proving that you loose your salvation if you go to another church) even more of a sham. I could never work out in my more than 10 yrs in the CAI who was in charge of whom, who left whom, etc etc. Why did Scott depart from under Jims command (IF he was under Jims command)

- what really happened there between Scott and Jim? Scott often bragged about how inconsiderate, ill-mannered and arrogant Jim was when visiting Scott?

- Scott often portraied himself as a martyre while living in Germany because 1) he was skint and 2) he was even "persecuted" by the authorities. Now, I am able to put two and two together and I cannot understand how a person having three jobs, with a daughter, who would obviously receive some allowance from the German State, renting a little part of a house (i.e. it couldnt have been majorily expensive) was so skinnt?! Dont forget, Germany, which is still a much richer country than Aus or the UK nowadays, was even richer those days. Was he really suffering so much? Nobody could ever answer me that question adequately.

I would very much appreciate if you could answer these question from your perspective... thanks in advance.

Greetings from beautiful Stockholm,

DK

 

 

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(Date Posted:01/05/2007 3:15 PM)

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Reply to : mailboyReply to : JustienYes Justien, Jim was self appointed "Pope" and Scott a mere grovelling "Cardinal". I was in the PRC for just short of nine years. Many was the time that Scott would be berated by Jim and he would look to me for sympathy. Almost never a week went by that Jim wasn't savaging Scott for something or other. I was the lackey that did the administration and all the printing of (they say) over nine million leaflets, in Ballarat and later in England, under Jim's command via my so-called pastor to supply leaflet in German to Scott.Robyn told Scott she was "cohabiting" with some poor sap after she and Rob divorced. Scott feigned (and doesn't he do it oh so well) that he did not understand. I told him that they were horizontal dancing. So Scott spoke glowingly to you all of an adulterer eh?Scott had

I? afraid you?e opened up a can of worms on this one, MB, expect a flood of questions... I just checked the CAI? history on their website, and although Scott credits JK with being the "Pastor" (quotation marks CAI style, not mine) the idea to go to Europe and spread everywhere is credited to him, and it also appears as though JK was completely out of the picture by then.

So why did JK let Scott go - or was it just because the whole group had fallen apart by then? I? sure he thought Scott was being a missionary for his work in the Lord, as they are so proud to call it, but Scott always gave us the impression that both the groups in Aus, and Europe were his and his alone all along. Oh, and he also stopped off in India somewhere along the way and converted a load of people there, and spent his first years in Germany working behind the Iron Curtain - well, maybe the call boys were cheaper there, so there might be some truth in that.

As for the characters of JK and family, Scott and family to a T. Ree is as vindictive as they come although slyly hides it behind a meek and mild exterior, their poor child is shunted around from family to family and their adopted son is an arsehole, to put it as kindly as I can.  I? surprised Scott put up with bullying from Kinnane; I thought he had never been subjected to that kind of treatment because as far as I know, his dressing down from Lloyd was what led to him abandoning yet another attempt at affiliation. He obviously made sure he could get into a position where he would never be treated like that, but despite knowing what it? like to be treated like shit all the time, he set up a system which encouraged and demanded it. A really sick man. And as you state, a bad childhood is no reason to become a bad person. Most of us had pretty dysfuncitonal families when you think about it, but it? possible to rise above that.

Anyway, thanks again for any light you can shed upon the dark and shady past of the CAI.

 

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(Date Posted:01/05/2007 8:49 PM)

Ralph,

I have to step in here. Honestly mate, you are talking nonsense. I thoroughly believe that Scott and the CAI have went against many, many Scriptures in their actions and dealings, both personally and as a church. However, you are also doing the same in such posts as that above.

I think Doc Holiday was perhaps right in not frequenting this board any more.

First of all Scott is not a pedophile. Secondly to hint that there may have been some abuse between Ken and his father is a disgrace. Then to call Scott a gay prostitue is simply slanderous and wrong, nevermind asking if he rents them.

What an awful post Ralph. You guys may have lost my support and participation on this board for good. It is one thing to stick to the facts and discuss them (within the boundaries of Scripture), but to write and insuate as you have is wrong on so many levels. Do you want the Scriptural references?

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(Date Posted:01/05/2007 10:01 PM)

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Reply to : george-bThank you, George. With all due respect I think you will see things different a few years later. There are good reasons to ask the questions I asked. I do not know the answers (I don't know what Doc Holiday has to with it?). If John will answer the questions he can make it clear that Scott was not a prostitute and the things between Jim and Ken (maybe this cannot be answered). After all facts it is legitime to ask this! But wait: What else is it to "force" People to have sex and give them scriptures and "teaching" i/o money? Is this not a kind of prostitution??? - Oh yes it is!Maybe you still think that Mr. Williams is just "misdirected". I think he is intentional evil and as well there are very very good reasons to beleive it. Did you study all the hints on the website or here with a lot of references (the occult teachings etc.)? For I know you are alw

 

Hi Ralf, in many things I agree with George who for sure knows Scott better then I. I know the "mailboy" from during our time at the former AGM when once a night he was woken up during the night as he "forgot" to attend a late night meeting. I think he still has nightmares now and then seeing Jason entering the room.
  
What do I agree with? I agree with George that the points you bring up are below the belt. It? interesting to read Scott? history from mailboy as we did not hear these things before but they fit into our experience. Your lines compared to this sound like any of these newspapers writing in big letters but without adding any facts, just crying look at me please look at me. You have to be carefull not to become too obsessed in fighting a war which you left many years ago. I can see your bitterness is taking over but should you not be the one being calm helping people who maybe left after all these years because you know better instead you are spitting out your bitterenss.
GOD sees you heart and for me one of the BIG BANANAS was Joseph. He accepted whatever he went through and praised GOD as GOD would see the the whole picture. I have to get to know JESUS and you, if you know him, have to be carefull not to loose HIM out of sight starting to be filled with bitterness. You?l start to sound like Saul blaming everybody else for his fault.   

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Ephesians 4:31  Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

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(Date Posted:02/05/2007 12:00 AM)

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Reply to : James Blondunderstand your point. But be assured I'm not in bitterness even if this sound like this for you.Let's wait for mailboys answer.

Sorry, I am probably really dumb but I don? see what the big deal is. At the end of each of Ralph? points, there is a question mark, which means they are questions. He has not insinuated or stated anything, merely asked to someone who seems to know a lot more than us. I do not see eye to eye with R on everything, and some of the questions seem to be focussed on his desire to relate everything Scott does to some kind of occultist theory, but he asked if Scott was a gay prostitute, he did not say he was one.

One of the most awful things in the CAI was that everything was always twisted and blown out of propotion, and it seems there are some who still have a problem with that. Although I can understand that you do have the option of ignoring these posts - you are now a free person and no longer a pawn who must agree 100% with what your "brethren" think. So add Ralph to your ignore list, but don? let it stop you discussing/asking about the topics that are going to help you break free from the cult. Leaving is only the first step.

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(Date Posted:03/05/2007 10:41 AM)

Cai is the most crazy organisation that I?e ever seen, and Scott Williams is the sickest person that I?e ever met. How will all this end? It? not only that Cai is a destructive organisation and the leaders in Cai are deceivers. Some people in Cai, if not the most people because they are mind-controlled by Scott, really hate a lot of good people. Not to mention most of the brave, in my eyes, people who has left Cai.

How will it be with all the poor children inside Cai who has been abused so heavily, both physically and mentally, during so long time? This really scares me. Why can? all this stop? Why can? some people or the authorities stop Scott and his closest mad-men? The Cai-terror has to end!

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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 9:15 AM)

Hi there, I watched this thread with interests
It's a pity that all this really interesting information from mailboy and Ltd has been removed by themselves due to some (and still ongoing) curious messages from the one or another person here.

The post of Free-from-CAI was a very good and valid one.
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 1:35 PM)

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Reply to : Light the darknessLTD,Are yousurethat you and Mailboy have left your serious CAI baggage behind? I'm a bit concerned, as your cut-it-and-run behaviour has some pretty serious 'cultic' overtones to it. Are you guys okay?As I said, I'm concerned.Ian

I detect a little conspiracy paranoia from those guys. The two of them huddled and ducked for cover, packing up all their toys and running, after a little bit of criticism went their way. Correct me if I'm wrong but there seems to be a lot of this paranoia baggage moreso in the CAI than the other Revival branches. It takes a bit more spunk and a thicker skin than that to shake off perceived attacks against your burgeoning stand against the lies of the infamous CAI

To huddle over the keyboard and fastidiously delete every post made that could and would have been helpful to the very people who needed it is just the most bizarre behaviour.

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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 2:07 PM)

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as far as I can see from your posts, MR, you are a person with an atheistical attitude and you are making not a mistery out of it.

Sott 1 seems to be person who want to tell everybody that he is a good bible teacher. Sad are those that come to be lords over others professing that theirs is the only valid opinion. Even if you don't want to - it seems like this!

as it seems you both work close together. Hmmmm.

I wonder if I study Ian's/Sott1 website where he states: "I should like to emphasise that I am not anti-Revivalist' in my focus. Whilst I will not vacillate or quibble on issues of belief, I do have a heart for those in the Revivalist fellowships, and a fervent desire to see the groups embrace orthodox Christian teachings even more closely than they have to date. My prayer is that the RCI and the RF will continue to move in the directions that they have been, and that this site might assist individuals, and perhaps even assemblies, in that journey..".

In my eyes this is a ambivalent conclusion and makes no sense (by the way: I got this info about this ambivalent statement from someone you well know.)

I don't know if it is not a good idea of mailboy and Ltd. to delete all their posts then you and others (feel like) VIP's cannot hunt them anymore with curious statements about their posts. I watched these circumstances a long time now and I'm more then sure that some people have done bad things against Ltd. and mailboy. I see it as a good consequence that they left no traces.
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(Date Posted:05/05/2007 2:59 PM)

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as far as I can see from your posts, MR, you are a person with an atheistical attitude and you are making not a mistery out of it.

You don't miss a trick.

Sott 1 seems to be person who want to tell everybody that he is a good bible teacher.

I've never read him saying that, but I do know he's here by invitation and does an 'exceedingly' good job at dividing and divining the scripture. I think you'd agree he's not a bad teacher. I've not seen his equal.

Sad are those that come to be lords over others professing that theirs is the only valid opinion. Even if you don't want to - it seems like this!

Strangely, I have some respect for people who are sure of what they believe. Not all of us are completely ignorant of where we stand. Others sit on the fence and go with every wind of doctrine. I also appreciate people who are reasonable to see when their interpretation of scripture is in err or flawed. And hey, others who have come to agree with me that the whole thing's a myth in the first place are groovy too.

as it seems you both work close together. Hmmmm.

When you come on this forum you will dance with either of us at some time. It's the nature of the beauty and the beast (???) I can tell you very honestly that Sott and I never collaberate. We are chalk and cheese and I am definitely a free again and my own entity. I can't even remember if I've sent Sott a private message. We give each other wide berth.

I don't know if it is not a good idea of mailboy and Ltd. to delete all their posts then you and others (feel like) VIP's cannot hunt them anymore with curious statements about their posts.

Hunt? and I thought I was a drama queen. I hardly even interacted with Mailboy except for early on when we used to discuss various things (maturely). I only recently shook my finger at him when he started making public personal defamations at Sotto. actually I think the first time I replied to Mailboy was when he made a poke at me! He was an abrupt fella.

As for LTD. I think I made a rare appearance in the CAI forum rooms to congratulate him on making his CAI webpage. That's easy to verify. I've never seen such Nancy boy cry baby shananigans on here to be honest.

I watched these circumstances a long time now and I'm more then sure that some people have done bad things against Ltd. and mailboy. I see it as a good consequence that they left no traces.

I read every message in the forum every day for the last three years (uh-huh, it's a sickness, I acknowledge that) and even though I don't pay much attention to the CAI rooms I don't see these attacks. I remembert Klopper wondering who the heck he was to be making a big noise on the forum after not being in the CAI as long as he thought. I dunno... I'm sure they could have worked that out civily, Big deal.

Ltd. and mailboy if you read this: you have done a brilliant work here and the website is very very helpful. Thank you very much for all this!

I agree. I wish him the very best and I hope as many cAI members as possible get a wiff of his website and hopefully, hopefully, question the reality they've got caught in.

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thanks for your answer. I appreciate it.

1.
bad or good teacher? I can't say. But it is not good to be part of the group of hunters. He never said it directly "I'm a good bible teacher" but indirectly. It is the sum of his behaviour. I agree that some posts of him are really good but the ironic once are not really good.

2.
I respect people who are sure of what they believe as well. But also they have to find the right tone and respect for others who are sure of what they believe, too.

3.
ok. I see you don't work so close together with him. Accepted.

4.
Maybe just seeing your posts and replies to them it is not HUNT. But altogether it seemed like this.
Klopperr was the beginner against Ltd. of the hunting and some people just join in ... this was bad.
And then they start again and again ...

- quote form Free-from CAI: "Sorry, I am probably really dumb but I don? see what the big deal is. At the end of each of Ralph? points, there is a question mark, which means they are questions. He has not insinuated or stated anything, merely asked to someone who seems to know a lot more than us. I do not see eye to eye with R on everything, and some of the questions seem to be focussed on his desire to relate everything Scott does to some kind of occultist theory, but he asked if Scott was a gay prostitute, he did not say he was one."

One of the most awful things in the CAI was that everything was always twisted and blown out of propotion, and it seems there are some who still have a problem with that. - unquote (in this thread)

- so right he / she is! Why does he / she said this like "I do not see eye to eye with R on everything". There was a reason. It seems that some people got a new hobby: writing against Ralph's (Ltd) posts. Same with mailboy a bit. This was awful to see! So you are not right with your judge about Ltd. he has gone through hard and unfair attacks. I know Ralph very good from my time in he CAI and I know he was a very good preacher (unfortunately for the wrong things) and brought many into the cult with his talents. Maybe he feels "guilty" due to this (and that's good!)? I don't know who Klopperr is and I think he has no rights to judge he maybe was in the cult in the last years. And?

5.
If all this leads you to the conclusion that the website is good and helpful why do you not see that the other things mentioned above can lead the person(s) (who made that good website) to go away from here?!

ok pls. let's stop the thread here. We have our opinions and they are different. Fine so far.

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$%*'`[Moth]%*'`@Reply to : Rescuethem

Reply to: MothandRustthanks for your answer. I appreciate it.1.bad or good teacher? I can't say. But it is not good to be part of the group of hunters.
Thanks RT, ermm... I think I'll just stay out of the CAI forums from now on.  Sorry for the intrusion.
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Why can? you tell the truth on this web-site? Scott is a tragic figure, but he has nearly destroyed my family, with purpose. Why? Because he selfish wants power, money and sex with young boys or guys too. Scott, I warn you, if you don? let my family go, I will not let you go, OK!
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(Date Posted:06/05/2007 1:09 AM)

Hi Moth!

You write of paranoia. Obviously you don? know how it? inside CAI, so how can you judge people of paranoia. The life inside CAI can be a hell, I have realized that myself. You, Moth, obviously don? know nothing about that kind of things, otherwise you hadn? wrote as you did. So spare me your insulting lines.

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Reply to : RescuethemMate,You need to get your facts straight, and learn a little about biblical interpretation before I take your views seriously. At the moment, I'm sorry to say, you lack credibility.God bless,Ian




ha, you outed yourself. Indeed very arrogant.
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ok peace. However, I don't think that you have the only way to say what is a "basic biblical interpretation method". I know that it is not your method, but some theologians said it to you and you have learned the skills. For I'm not a theologian (as you) I maybe miss some things "you think it is right" if one may interprete the Bible. However, the points I've made in respect of tongues are still unanswered. What I mean with arrogant is that you sometimes sound from above if you "come down" with your Bible knowledge.

Go on with assisting and helping but you are not omniscient. My advise is that you should be a bit more smart and nice if you make your comments if you talk about deeper things. Always think "I can be wrong and others can be right". This also or better more aplies for your "first hand knowledge" (sounds like coming directly from God).
That's all.

In respect to the cults of the revivalists. I don't believe that it is good to change from the inside if this is your point. In the most cases this wasn't a good idea.
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Ian,

if one read through your comments it is clearly to see that your behaviour is arrogant and "from above". Reason enough for me to ignore your posts in future.

Aplogize for former wrong interpretation. The rest remain for it is right from my viewpoint.

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My comments nearly always say "I think" or likewise so your comment "But I've never claimed omniscience,unlike you" is totlally wrong from my viewpoint and mirror more your behaviour. Lucky I am that I am not a theologian if I would end up like you.

So now Rescuethem, you can use the ignore function on the forum for Ian and me... pretty soon it'll just be you alone reading all your own posts. That'll be fun hey? Sad that you think all theologians are written off because of the perception you have of Ian here... and a false perception (at that) because of your ineptude in reading punctuation. A jot and a tittle can make sooooo much difference.

Your misundersanding of punctuation has led you to read Ian's comments incorrectly. You believe he stated the following because YOU put a comma (,) in the place where Ian put a FULL STOP or PERIOD (.)

"But I've never claimed omniscience,unlike you"

When he actually said

"But I've never claimed omniscience. (full stop)  Unlike you, however, I actually am informed ... "

Now go and read back carefully before you go debunking... I am seeing this time and time again from some exCAIers - Jumping at shadows - and I'm thinking it's a communication problem. Ian was not insinuating that you have stated any omniscience but was rather simply telling you that you are not informed in certain things.

Now I think you should apologise

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SCOTT

OH MY GOD. This is piss funny. Just when I think I'm seen it all on this forum, someone does something more entertaining than television could ever provide. Ohhhh that mailboy!!!! that is the deepest hardest belly laugh I have had the pleasure of having in a long time. thank you sooo much. A merry heart doeth good like a medicine and you just made my night. god i love this forum!

Poor little mailboy has had a conversation or two with Ian, got pwned a bit because he disagreed with him and then sweated out over his typewriter to delete every post he made in a big sooky sulky reaction. I would say grow up, but that's really up to you... I never did. If anyone has a mind to go and read those post in the other rooms of the forum you'll see why Mailbaby got so uppity. But to make this whole little table of hate??? Heck, it's so lame.

Then, get this... after being hunched up over the keyboard deleting all the posts, he things, nah... that's not enough. I need to link this fellow, who dared question some of my beliefs, with the super villain of the CAI.

I'm sort of glad you deleted all your stuff here man, because it all wouldn't stand for much now. Ian completely overshadowed you when it came to providing bible knowledge and had experience in the military that also made you look a little foolish. This is the second guy on the board tonight in this CAI room to owe Ian an apology. They're clocking up, and I bet will never come... takes a lot of humility for that stuff.

If you can't beat em with scripture than do the next best thing, villify them. Can we have some ex-CAIers hurry up and tell us that you're not all obsessive nutjobs like this mailboy dude. I"m actually a little scared of him. He said he wasn't ever going to post back on this forum again - looks like that was a lie. He will be back whenever he wants to childishly target someone and make another SCOTT to hate. I want to see a table to see how I compare with Scott.

forgive man... forgive... let go of the pain and move on.

I am soooooooooooooooooooooo hoping you do a moth analysis..

oh please please please please please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please please

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Reply to : RescuethemReply to : SOTT1ok peace. However, I don't think that you have the only way to say what is a "basic biblical interpretation method". I know that it is not your method, but some theologians said it to you and you have learned the skills. For I'm not a theologian (as you) I maybe miss some things "you think it is right" if one may interprete the Bible. However, the points I've made in respect of tongues are still unanswered. What I mean with arrogant is that you sometimes sound from above if you "come down" with your Bible knowledge.Go on with assisting and helping but you are not omniscient. My advise is that you should be a bit more smart and nice if you make your comments if you talk about deeper things. Always think "I can be wrong and others can be right". This also or better more aplies for your "f
yes, sure. But you are not in but out.
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Reply to : mailboySCOTTOH MY GOD. This is piss funny. Just when I think I'm seen it all on this forum, someone does something more entertaining than television could ever provide. Ohhhh that mailboy!!!! that is the deepest hardest belly laugh I have had the pleasure of having in a long time. thank you sooo much. A merry heart doeth good like a medicine and you just made my night. god i love this forum!Poor little mailboy has had a conversation or two with Ian, gotpwneda bit because he disagreed with him and then sweated out over his typewriter to delete every post he made in a big sooky sulky reaction. I would say grow up, but that's really up to you... I never did. If anyone has a mind to go and read those post in the other rooms of the for

Aplogize for former wrong interpretation. "But I've never claimed omniscience, unlike you" should read "But I've never claimed omniscience. Unlike you...". For I am not a native speaker of the english language and because I did not use copy / paste function this happened - but in no way intentionally. Even with DOT I would have understand the meaning like I did. Maybe you can explain what you want to say short and with other words to clarify.

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The rest remain unchanged for it is right from my viewpoint:

Ian,

if one read through your comments it is clearly to see that your behaviour is arrogant and "from above". Reason enough for me to ignore your posts in future.

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Even with DOT I would have understand the meaning like I did. Maybe you can explain what you want to say short and with other words to clarify.


Oh for Pete's sake. You're apologising and then retracting at the same time. Ian's gone walkabout for a while and may not even be reading this, so let me cut and paste exactly what he said. Pay special attention to Full stops. Like I try and tell my grade 6 classroom, one sentence ends with a full-stop and the next sentence starts a new idea. Ian is far beyond the punctuation abilities of the eleven year olds I teach. Are you?

There are three sentences following, directly quoted from the text Ian wrote previously. I've added a space between them to make it fairly clear that they are three separate ideas.

1. In the first sentence he refutes your allegation that he has ever stated to be omniscient, because on this fact you were indeed, once again, wrong.

2. In the second sentence quoted below he says, and I paraphrase, "Unlike you, I am informed and qualified..."

3. In the third sentence quoted below he says, " Unlike you, I don't make claims that 'this means that'"

In no small way whatsoever does he claim that you have claimed to be omniscient. Your omniscience is not in question here. It'd be quicker to train a monkey (quote John Cleese). Now is he wrong? Are you more qualified  or not? If not, then why shouldn't Ian make that known? If it's to feed his ego, then he's a twat, but it's not to feed his ego. It's to allay your fears of this inability to credibly commentate on bible meanings.

OPEN Ian's QUOTE

But I've never claimed omniscience.

Unlike you, however, I actually am informed and qualified to provide technical opinions and commentary on the meanings of biblical texts.

Unlike you, I don't simply make a claim that "this means that". What I do is demonstrate why "this means that".

CLOSE Ian's QUOTE

 

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Just to point something out - Mailboy was not part of the CAI, but the PRC (the precursor of the CAI in Australia). Just to avoid any confusion on all sides.

G.

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$%*'`[iclockedout4u]%*'`@

Boy did this forum get right boring since you all started fighting with one another!

SOTT1 I think the problem is that, no matter how qualified and informed you are, you do come across as having a bit of a lofty attitude.  You don't so much offer opinions, as assert them as fact - which fair enough you are entitled to do, but doesn't it seem you are finding this is not very effective when it comes to dealing with the real life situations being discussed in a forum like this?

Do theology classes never refer to the value in 'dis-arming' people by using a more gentle approach, rather than putting them on the defensive right from the outset?  (Perhaps not, I suppose that's nothing to do with theology..).

Either way, I think your knowledge of theology is very good (and I appreciate your posts), if only relevant to a certain point, after which point it is real life experiences and our own relationship with God which will provide the best direction, and tower above any theology degree.    Some senior and recently departed member(s) of CAI also studied theology years ago.  

At the very least, one positive thing about many of the ex-CAI people posting here, is that they will certainly have learned what God is NOT about, and have went through a learning-curve which not many get to 'benefit' from - for want of a better word!   I think that is where some of your adversaries on this board are coming from.  They will benefit more from your good input if you start sounding a bit more human, a bit more open towards and respectful of other people.

Hoping that SOTT1 continues here, and that Mailboy and that other dude who threw his toys out the pram will resume posting soon.

iclockedout4u.

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Boy did this forum get right boring since you all started fighting with one another!SOTT1 I think the problem is that, no matter how qualified and informed you are, you do come across as having abit of alofty attitude. You don't so much offer opinions,as assert them as fact - which fair enough you are entitled to do, but doesn't itseem you are finding this is not very effective when it comes to dealing with the real life situations being discussed in a forum like this?Do theology classesnever refer to the valuein 'dis-arming' peopleby usinga more gentle approach, rather than putting them on the defensive right from the outset? (Perhaps not,I supposethat's nothing to do with theology..).Either way, Ithink your knowledge of theology is very goo




you are joking. I would like to see mailboy and the other dude posting but Sott and Moth will disappear for their attitude is smelling bad.
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you are joking. I would like to see mailboy and the other dude posting but Sott and Moth will disappear for their attitude is smelling bad

Yes, come back Mailboy and the other dude, this guy likes your smell...

Gimme a break

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don? worry about that Moth. This is someone who learned English in the CAI - i.e. English Scott Williams style.
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Good post mailboy, good workout! Go on that way I appreciate that.
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Scott W. has almost ruined my whole life with his abuse, lies and manipulation. But he is a sociopath and he is destructive. So, Scott, if you have had a stroke, if not that talk is a lie too, I wish you a new stroke as well. So Scott, welcome to the reality, you fucked up sadist!
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Just to point something out - Mailboy was not part of the CAI, but the PRC (the precursor of the CAI in Australia). Just to avoid any confusion on all sides.G.




George, this is wrong!
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I had a chat with mailboy via email. Technically he was in the CAI for a brief time. So I take that back.

G.

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I had a chat with mailboy via email. Technically he was in the CAI for a brief time. So I take that back.G.




Good to see that you are in contact with him. By the way: Pls. study about methodist stuff and judge fo yourself if this is a good way. I would'nt recommend it.
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Just out of curiosity - what way would you recommend LTD?

G.

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Just out of curiosity - what way would you recommend LTD?
G.




George, it is difficult / hard to say if there is a "direction" I could recommend. I have studied about a lot of many different fundamental denominations in the last years. I find it is hard to say if the one or another thology is (in my eyes) right or wrong, better or worser. Finally I just found some specific teachings that let me think that I would not recommend such a way (e.g. methodists).

So I conclude that I can oly say what I would not recommend, e. g. (I leave out the cults like Mormons etc. and the more lukewarm traditional churches): Petecostals, Charismatics, Methodists, Calvinism, Quarker, Adventists (!), Word faith movement (!) (maybe I have forgotten something).

To be honest with you, it is hard to find a right church. Even harder it is for us after our time in the CAI. However it is good for you (I believe) to have fellowship with "normal" christians after all. I would recommend (I am not a member of this church!) to look for the "Worldwide Church of God" (they are in Canada nearby but not in Hamburg). This church has been a (more or less) cult (but not as bad as the Revivalists!). Now this church is totally normal one. In earlier times the believed in British Israel as well. Now they would not teach it anymore ... but study for yourself.

George, I really like you. Pls. excuse me if I have done something wrong to you before. I didnt wnat to harm you.

In Jesus, Ralph (Ltd.)

PS. you can contact me via Skype (you know how) or send me an eMail whenever you like (website via contact). I believe, the same applies for John.

This message is for George. Pls. be so kind and do not comment it here. Open a new thread: maybe "What church / way would YOU recommend" or likewise. Thank you very much.
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Worldwide Church of God? You are kidding, right? These guys make the CAI look like the "liberal church of the month"!

G.

PS No idea what you mean with your statements about upset/harm etc. Everything is hunky-dory!

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Worldwide Church of God? You are kidding, right? These guys make the CAI look like the "liberal church of the month"!G.PS No idea what you mean with your statements about upset/harm etc. Everything is hunky-dory!

Hi George, are you sure about the Worldwide Church of God is worser as the CAI? I wasn't in any meeting but I found their teaching on their website is good and had an email exchange e. g. with the leader of the church as well. They changed dramaticaly over the last 15 years and are a normal church now as per several statements and people of other churches. They are member of global and local christian (evangelical) alliances and publish a well-known yournal. However, maybe you have more / better info then I. Can you be more detailed what you mean / heard about them? Have you studied their homepage? You canm also aks for the book of the church change they published.

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Worldwide Church of God? You are kidding, right? These guys make the CAI look like the "liberal church of the month"!G.

Hi George, are you sure about the Worldwide Church of God is worser as the CAI? .......They changed dramaticaly over the last 15 years and are a normal church now as per several statements and people of other churches. ...... Have you studied their homepage? You canm also aks for the book of the church change they published.


 The website is interesting...in 1986, the newly appointed pastor changed many doctrinal beliefs (some of which were very bizarre) after the death of the founding leader, Herbert Armstrong, who claimed that he was an apostle of the one true church. Armstrong preached BI, the Sabbath, loyalty to the ministry or else... he denied members to see doctors, celebrate holidays, eat certain foods, wear certain clothes, etc. Sound familiar???

It took over 10 years for the major conversion, during which time many members felt betrayed, got offended and left, some of them formed new denominations. Apparently, there were many bitter splits amongst pastors, leaders, members, families and friends.

Ultimately, many members experienced a new peace, became more spiritual and renewed their faith in Christ.

It shall be interesting when the current, long-time leaders of the known revival cults pass away. I pray that I'll be around to help any poor soul that might still be involved during those tumultuous times.

If you're interested, you can read all about it... http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm

Praying we all find our strength in Christ.....

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The website is interesting...in 1986, the newly appointed pastor changed many doctrinal beliefs (some of which were very bizarre) after the death of the founding leader, Herbert Armstrong, who claimed that he was an apostle of the one true church. Armstrong preached BI, the Sabbath, loyalty to the ministry or else... he denied members to see doctors, celebrate holidays, eat certain foods, wear certain clothes, etc. Sound familiar???

It took over 10 years for the major conversion, during which time many members felt betrayed, got offended and left, some of them formed new denominations. Apparently, there were many bitter splits amongst pastors, leaders, members, families and friends.

Ultimately, many members experienced a new peace, became more spiritual and renewed their faith in Christ.

It shall be interesting when the current, long-time leaders of the known revival cults pass away. I pray that I'll be around to help any poor soul that might still be involved during those tumultuous times.

If you're interested, you can read all about it... http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm

Praying we all find our strength in Christ.....


you got it. Think that also due to their frankness of the current Worldwide Chruch of God one can see that this church is free now from their former "problems". Even better it seems that due to this they are even more free (but I am not sure about this of course). The teaching that they have now is very good and detailed. I won't think that same could happen with the Revivalist cults for I believe there are more examples of the opposite. I still think that a change from the inside is a hard way to go. I can happen but I think maybe more by "accident" and not planned. I think that this church could be good for many of us also due to their cult background and understanding.

Finally I don't know for sure but I think we are all far enough to check out it may not be easy for a real cul? to catch us again (once burnt, twice cautions).

Why not check it out?

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if you read through the very interesting history of that church maybe you notice the following quote from the WCG:

"We do not have any delusions of grandeur, that we will be as great as the apostle Paul. We do not imagine that we will turn the world upside down. We do not think we will transform the church like Paul did. But we do expect God to use us to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. There may be a niche that needs our particular experience. Perhaps God is preparing us for situations that do not yet exist. We do not know, but we remain ready to respond to God's leading."

unquote

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The history is really interesting. This will help a lot!
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The history is really interesting. This will help a lot!




I am thinking about to join this church. Anyone there who can tell soemthing negative about it?
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I am thinking about to join this church. Anyone there who can tell soemthing negative about it?

Hello Anonymous Crazy Person,

No offence, but if you have found your way to this website, then work your way through the 7 pages of "something negative".

Then come back and let us know if you want to join.

And then we'll send a white van with a nice red cross on it and some friendly men who will give you a cute little white jacket to wear. It might feel a bit tight but you'll get used to it.

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Reply to : AnonymousI am thinking about to join this church. Anyone there who can tell soemthing negative about it?Hello Anonymous Crazy Person,No offence, but if you have found your way to this website, then work your way through the 7 pages of "something negative".Then come back and let us know if you want to join.And then we'll send a white van with a nice red cross on it and some friendly men who will give you a cute little white jacket to wear. It might feel a bit tight but you'll get used to it.All the best.bb

note to self, read emails properly before you reply..he meant he wanted to join the WCG, not the CAI..

hhmm, let me think then...ok, just scrap the first part of the email, and read the part from "..let us know if you want to join" add "the WCG"  then keep the rest of the email.

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Reply to : bridges burntReply to : AnonymousI am thinking about to join this church. Anyone there who can tell soemthing negative about it?Hello Anonymous Crazy Person,No offence, but if you have found your way to this website, then work your way through the 7 pages of "something negative".Then come back and let us know if you want to join.And then we'll send a white van with a nice red cross on it and some friendly men who will give you a cute little white jacket to wear. It might feel a bit tight but you'll get used to it.All the best.bbnote to self, read emails properly before you reply..he meant he wanted to join the WCG, not the CAI..hhmm, let me think then...ok, just scrap the first part of the email, and read the part from "..let us know if you want to




??? what answer is this? I am thnking to join the WCG not the stupid CAI. Any advise?
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Reply to : bridges burntReply to : bridges burntReply to : AnonymousI am thinking about to join this church. Anyone there who can tell soemthing negative about it?Hello Anonymous Crazy Person,No offence, but if you have found your way to this website, then work your way through the 7 pages of "something negative".Then come back and let us know if you want to join.And then we'll send a white van with a nice red cross on it and some friendly men who will give you a cute little white jacket to wear. It might feel a bit tight but you'll get used to it.All the best.bbnote to self, read emails properly before you reply..he meant he wanted to join the WCG, not the CAI..hhmm, let me think then...ok, just scrap the first part of the email, and read the part from "..let us know if you want to





Just a question. Why are you so keen to jump from one extreme group with a history of heresy into another group with the same sort of history? Why not go to the local Lutheran church and mellow out in an environment that's a little more stable?
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