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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 12:49 PM)
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I have been to a few of the meetings recently, was quite amazed at the level of knowledge shown by some of the guys that I met. I am rather shocked at some of the comments here - did not look that way to me, but then again, I do not have any discernment when it comes to understanding people (I got ripped of in business many times)I am looking for a church that preach the full gospel, if not this church, can someone direct me to one?One question to you guys though, why is this all anonymous? Makes me think that there are 2 sides to every story. I recently read a scripture about Jesus being a stone of stumbling, is that what you guys are doing ? Or do I misunderstand the scripture ?Would welcome any comentsAikenD
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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 2:47 PM)

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I have been to a few of the meetings recently, was quite amazed at the level of knowledge shown by some of the guys that I met. I am rather shocked at some of the comments here - did not look that way to me, but then again, I do not have any discernment when it comes to understanding people (I got ripped of in business many times)I am looking for a church that preach the full gospel, if not this church, can someone direct me to one?One question to you guys though, why is this all anonymous? Makes me think that there are 2 sides to every story. I recently read a scripture about Jesus being a stone of stumbling, is that what you guys are doing ? Or do I misunderstand the scripture ?Would welcome any comentsAikenD

Hi AikenD.... Just a response to your question as to why we remain anon. There is actually 3 sides to a story I believe... Their side... our side... and the truth! A bit of both is combined I think. We remain anon for many reasons but, speaking for myself, I like to remain anon because I am still coming to grips with being ousted from the RF. Its been 3 years. And am not too keen on ppl knowing who I am as yet in case it gets back to the church. Although it wouldnt take much investigating to find out who I am! It takes a LONG time for most ppl to 'get over' being in these cults. There minds have been played with for so long. And they may still fear being 'chastized' for speaking their minds. Or being judged.

Good luck in finding a church that preaches the full gospel. Let me know when you do!

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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 3:06 PM)

Sorry, what does "I am still coming to grips with being ousted from the RF." mean ? I am not a native english speaker :-)

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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 3:26 PM)

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Sorry, what does "I am still coming to grips with being ousted from the RF." mean ? I am not a native english speaker :-)Aiken

 

The reason most people stay anonymous is the fear of reprisals/threats from CAI simply for revealing the awful truth of what life was really like being a member.

It's happened to me and many others.

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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 4:26 PM)

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I have been to a few of the meetings recently, was quite amazed at the level of knowledge shown by some of the guys that I met.

Heck, every church has a core group of guys rich in knowledge about their version of the bible and why every other church doesn't measure up to it. However, most other churches don't subscribe to the racist views of CAI... nor do other churches oust (kick people out) for sinning... or take such delight in exclusivism (well actually, many churches do that I suppose).

I am rather shocked at some of the comments here - did not look that way to me, but then again, I do not have any discernment when it comes to understanding people (I got ripped of in business many times)

Nothing worse than getting ripped off.. you know that horrible helpless frustrated feeling of being played for a chump by people with their own agendas...? Hmm... I'd read a few more comments here, especially in the 'We used to believe' room. I would really crank up the discernment skills and learn from mistakes if I were you. This is the CAI you are referring to isn't it? Check inside the while seplechre... subtle mind control is there and destruction of free thought and logical reasoning.

I am looking for a church that preach the full gospel, if not this church, can someone direct me to one?

Check your Saturday morning paper and look for 'normal' churches. Cults rarely advertise in the local newspapers.. because that's where the mainstream lesser churches go to drum up business (well that's what we used to think). CAI/Revivals don't even consider other churches to even be churches. They deny anyone to be christian unless they align up to their creed. They look for signs like tongues and etc to deem a person saved rather than actual devotion.

One question to you guys though, why is this all anonymous? Makes me think that there are 2 sides to every story. I recently read a scripture about Jesus being a stone of stumbling, is that what you guys are doing ? Or do I misunderstand the scripture ? Would welcome any coments - AikenD

Can you expand on your understanding of what the stone of stumbling means in your interpretation? Sounds like you're baiting here. I don't know why so many church types get so miffed by people leaving their particular organisation, except for those that believe they hold the only true interpretation. Jesus doesn't live in particular church groups... nor does he live in private doctrines alone... heck, many don't believe he lives at all. Leaving a church doesn't mean leaving Jesus. Ex-members from the CAI often prefer to stay anonymous because the 'powers that be'  seem to often go for the jugular of individuals who choose to leave their ranks.

Most churches believe they have the full gospel. Good luck with your search finding the particular one that appeals to your senses of 'full'. Try to pick the least culty and you should be fine. Is your church a cult? Click HERE

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(Date Posted:18/09/2006 5:40 PM)

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Can you expand on your understanding of what the stone of stumbling means in your interpretation? Sounds like you're baiting here.





Baiting ? Was heisst das ? I understand from the above scripture about Jesus being a stone of stumbling that perhaps things that God excpects from us will be difficult to understand ?

Thats about it, I am not trying to bait any one (baiting is what you do when you are fishing, no?)

This is a really aggressive forum, I have to say, some of what I am reading here is not from Christians. If people have left this church, then they have also perhaps left any friendliness they had.

I was hoping some clear answers here. Perhaps I am not clear enough in my questions

AikenD ???
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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 2:22 AM)

Hi Aiken

check your personal messages- I have written you something!

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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 6:41 AM)

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Baiting ? Was heisst das ? I understand from the above scripture about Jesus being a stone of stumbling that perhaps things that God excpects from us will be difficult to understand ?Thats about it, I am not trying to bait any one (baiting is what you do when you are fishing, no?)This is a really aggressive forum, I have to say, some of what I am reading here is not from Christians. If people have left this church, then they have also perhaps left any friendliness they had.

No, I don't think Jesus was hard to understand at all, as a matter of fact I think the words in red are among the most easiest of the scriptures to read. I think the idea that Jesus is a stumbling block may be the notion that it is really hard to live up to his sinless example. An all round decent guy who would do anything for ya. Hard to be humble like he was... or friendly, but I was unfriendly even when I was in the church... sorry if I ruffled your feathers. Chew the fruit, spit out the pips.

What can I say. I'm only human (without the pretense), thank God.

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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 11:44 AM)

Dear Aiken,

no not everybody here is Christian. Why should they be? However, Christian or not is no reason for unfriendliness.

What you must realise is that a lot of people here are hurt and angry. Groups like the CAI, or the one you visited look nice on the outside, but they all have their secrets. I? sure the guys appeared very knowledgeable about certain aspects of the Bible but if you were to dig deeper you would find they are not.

Where does God come from for example? Can they answer that? Why does a woman have to marry her rapist in the OT? Sure, they probably have an answer but is it an adequate one?

You say you are looking for a true church. If that? what you are looking for and you believe in God, then pray for him to lead you to one. If that turns out to be the CAI so be it, but since you believe in God, you should be talking to him for you answers and not us. You will not find anyone with anything good to say here about the CAI, and if they have turned you to this site and warned you that we are all bitter, fallen away reprobate, sad, miserable people that will probably be confirmed because of the slightly aggresive way you are posing your questions, and presenting your preconcieved ideas.

I personally am an atheist, not as some "christian" groups would say because I lost my faith, but because I carried out a full and thorough study of the Bible and found it sorely lacking. I would be able to defend the christian viewpoint because I know every scripture to pull out and compare with another, but I also know that deep down it is not true. Since leaving Christian circles I have met people who are genuinely friendly, who actually want to be nice to me because they like me and not because they want me in their group or to adhere to their beliefs. I am not saying all Christians are bad, but the ones in the CAI are certainly amongst some of the nastiest and meanest people I have ever met, and a BIble study group I attended afterwards was full with wonderful, kind, loving people ....as long as you were one of them.

As for you Aiken, you say you do not understand certain things because you are not a native English speaker. However you have an extraordinary range of vocabulary for someone who makes the typical foreign mistake of asking a question by using the word no at the end. This is however a mistake generally made by native speakers of Romance languages, and yet you live in Germany? Where could you be from and who is helping you with your English may I ask? (do not take this aggressively, as you seem to be rather easily offended, it is merely curiosity).

Kind Regards,

Free-from-CAI (yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

 

 

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Reply to : AikenDBaiting ? Was heisst das ? I understand from the above scripture about Jesus being a stone of stumbling that perhaps things that God excpects from us will be difficult to understand ?Thats about it, I am not trying to bait any one (baiting is what you do when you are fishing, no?)This is a really aggressive forum, I have to say, some of what I am reading here is not from Christians. If people have left this church, then they have also perhaps left any friendliness they had.No, I don't think Jesus was hard to understand at all, as a matter of fact I think thewords in redare among the most easiest of the scriptures to read. I think the idea that Jesus is a stumbling block may be the notion that it is really hard to live up to 
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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 12:43 PM)

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As for you Aiken, you say you do not understand certain things because you are not a native English speaker. However you have an extraordinary range of vocabulary for someone who makes the typical foreign mistake of asking a question by using the word no at the end. This is however a mistake generally made by native speakers of Romance languages, and yet you live in Germany? Where could you be from and who is helping you with your English may I ask?





Vengo originalmente dall'Italia, ma vivo a lungo in Inghilterra - I lived a long time in England, as well as my parents being half German half english, so do not need help (usually) with any english, german, italian or french. I understand 'baiting' now - looked it up - but thanks for your explanation as to why this forum is so full of bitter people -
As for you Free-from-CAI, you obviously have some interesting issues, altrimenti you would not be on a site where you do not really belong - I believe the expression is 5th columist !

Speri di sentirsi ancora da voi, ragazzo!

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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 1:04 PM)

oh I belong here alright...........e sono una ragazza.....
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oh I belong here alright...........e sono una ragazza.....
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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 1:43 PM)

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Reply to : Free-from-CAIoh I belong here alright...........e sono una ragazza.....
scusilo per favore, voi sono una ragazza - that was of course not clear from the anon nature of this board - of course I could also be a girl (but I am indeed male)
If you have never been a member of this church, and are not a bible believing christian, then how do you belong here?  - unless I have misunderstood the entire reason for this forum.
Did not mean that to sound cheeky, just interested that you would spend time on a forum without having a reason - I was not directed here by the church, but found it after searching google
 
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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 2:11 PM)

but I was a member - I don? recall saying I wasn?..............I was there for many years, and unfortunately wasted what could have been the best years of my life there.

 

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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 2:25 PM)

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Reply to : AikenDReply to : Free-from-CAIoh I belong here alright...........e sono una ragazza.....scusilo per favore, voi sono una ragazza - that was of course not clear from the anon nature of this board - of course I could also be a girl (but I am indeed male)If you have never been a member of this church, and are not a bible believing christian, then how do you belong here? - unless I have misunderstood the entire reason for this forum.

Oh AD, I think you will fit it just fine with the CAI

  • You're already labelling strangers, ie. fifth column, bitter, unfriendly etc.
  • You sound a little arrogant - although, the impersonal nature of online text can represent an author unfairly.
  • You already speak with other tongues - (ahem)
  • Judgemental too - discerning for yourself the nature of those who reply.

The reason for this forum is to provide a safe place for ex-members to voice their grieves and to warn others of the overly controlling institutions they had the displeasure of being part of. But most of all, it is a place for people to share a common experience with others that have been through similar journeys. Some find that very therapeuitic... and they can belong here for as long as they wish to.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 2:32 PM)

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Reply to : AikenDReply to : Free-from-CAIoh I belong here alright...........e sono una ragazza.....scusilo per favore, voi sono una ragazza - that was of course not clear from the anon nature of this board - of course I could also be a girl (but I am indeed male)If you have never been a member of this church, and are not a bible believing christian, then how do you belong here? - unless I have misunderstood the entire reason for this forum.
Oops! Sent a blank reply! Aiken... if you read the intro to this site, you will find that its a site for ANYONE. Christians, non christians.. and a forum to express hurt, anger and a WORLD of opinions! its a healing process for all of us here. Please dont be offended by what some may say. Take what is good for you and discard the rest. We ALL belong here! We ALL have something to say! So... if its not suitabe for you, maybe you should find somewhere else.
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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 2:41 PM)

Greetings

Have you familiarised yourself with the information found at the following website? It has much to say on the subject of the CAI

http://rc.cultweb.net/

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(Date Posted:19/09/2006 2:50 PM)

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  • You're already labelling strangers, ie. fifth column, bitter, unfriendly etc.
  • You sound a little arrogant - although, the impersonal nature of online text can represent an author unfairly.
  • You already speak with other tongues - (ahem)
  • Judgemental too - discerning for yourself the nature of those who reply.
  • Very sorry indeed - I thought it a bit of humour actually - as the person who wrote to me and who I replied to had said that they had never been a christian - I read about the fifth column in high school - missed inserting the :-)  I think that the bitterness is there for everyone to see - I do not need to label anyone with anything - I read some peoples comments calling people in the CAI bastards and other such phrases, is this not bitterness? Or is it friendliness?? - Confused to that.

    I speak with other tounges already - do you mean that I am multilingual ? This is not the same as the biblical speaking in tounges ? My mother and father were mulilingual and I have lived around.

    I do not know if I am arrogant, I never thought of myself as arrogant and reading what I wrote earlier does not read arrogant to me - but I am very very violent, and an extreme fornicator, and a violent thief, and and a really nasty piece of work all round (I know that phrase is correct, I checked it with an english friend) - but I am told that if I turn my life around and get baptized that Jesus will forgive me all of these sins - if I stop them that is.

    As to judgemental, please point out where I have been this - I did think that someone was a guy, just got the name mixed up, was not aware of being this to someone - I do not want to judge anyone, thought to inject some joke about someone writing here who said he/she was not a christian - did not think that they got ofended (or they would have said?)

    I have never been to a church - so am propbably very much not what a church would want

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    Very sorry indeed - I thought it a bit of humour actually - as the person who wrote to me and who I replied to had said that they had never been a christian - I read about the fifth column in high school - missed inserting the :-) 

    haha... well, I like ya man. Initiation test over.. hehehhe

    I think that the bitterness is there for everyone to see - I do not need to label anyone with anything - I read some peoples comments calling people in the CAI bastards and other such phrases, is this not bitterness? Or is it friendliness?? - Confused to that.

    There is a real weird fella who has been posting little tantrum like bursts into the CAI room for years. He blurts out Nazi-bastard comments every few weeks or so. He has turret's syndrome I think? Most paranoid bitter little pill I've ever come across. The CAI seem to have done a real number on him... can't work the guy out.

    I speak with other tounges already - do you mean that I am multilingual ? This is not the same as the biblical speaking in tounges ? My mother and father were mulilingual and I have lived around.

    Actually I think the account in Acts 2 aligns up nicely with the multilingual idea... seeing as those that heard them speak in tongues heard them speak in their own tongue. But yeah... I know what you mean. It'd be great to have a few languages up my sleeve. I have enough problems with English though.

    but I am very very violent, and an extreme fornicator, and a violent thief, and and a really nasty piece of work all round (I know that phrase is correct, I checked it with an english friend) - but I am told that if I turn my life around and get baptized that Jesus will forgive me all of these sins - if I stop them that is.

    Sounds like you'd be great at parties! So you really want a change of lifestyle hey? You're really condemning yourself against the standards of others... that's your perogative of course.

    I have never been to a church - so am propbably very much not what a church would want

    Wow, you've certainly picked a doozey  of a church to start with! In all honesty, if you want to go the whole churchy Ned Flanders lifestyle there are much more friendly, forgiving and fun places to go to than this fundamentalist lot. Don't let them bamboozle you with religious technobable. They don't want to save your soul.. they WANT your soul. Control is what they do best, and they have a true and tried history of doing it well.

    Watch your back man and keep your ears to the ground. It looks like you've got your eyes wide open seeing as you're here checking the forum out. That's more than admirable... cheers.

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    haha... well, I like ya man. Initiation test over.. hehehhe




    So that is confusing now, but I have just read the Forum rules, and it does say do not presume that everyone in here is a christian - so never mind - and I should really be careful with my humour if some people here have been hurt.

    But, By Jove, see how many have read this thread !!! I wrote an article on best business practises once, and only 55 people from a company of 3500 read it (it was not compulsory) - but here already over 100 have read it - or is it this thread that has been marked as read - only 5 or 6 people have actually written something - whos reading this alo ?

    Interesting stuff

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    everytime someone clicks on the thread it shows it? been read - could have been the same person 10 times though.

    However maybe people are just pleased to have something a bit more interesting to read than the usual "CAI are bastards etc."

    On the theme of bad language (although this will not be displayed in front of you until you have used up your six months grace) I know plenty of CAI people who actually never swore until they were in the CAI.


    The word "bloody" is used extensively by the main leaders - most of the members not being native English speakers do not realise this is a swear word and incorporate it in their daily language. The words "bitch" and "bastard" are used extensively and normally not correctly i.e. any woman who is not 100% ok is a bitch, any man a bastard.

    Each top dog has their favourite little phrase to incur pyschological damage on members.e.g

    Andrew Vidler "You?e sick, you?e so sick" (meaning mentally)

    Jan Weipert "You?e an unbeliever" (despite the person being a Christian for 50 years)

    Michael Konrad Krause "You?e a reprobate/bitch/bastard" (fill in word depending on person and situation)

    They also have sex talks where around 4-6 men tell all the men and women (in separate groups) what positions are allowed, how often you should do it, etc. However because most of the upper oversight are sick and sexually depraved they also sometimes have these little talks more personally, and will ask people what their fantasies are, have they fantasised about having sex with this or that new one (the term given to people visiting the meetings like you). They seem to get off on that.

     

    Mind you you won? notice any of this until you become an "Amt" and by then you?l have been too sucked in emotionally, financially and physically that it will be hard to leave.

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    (Date Posted:20/09/2006 11:02 AM)

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    have they fantasised about having sex with this or that new one (the term given to people visiting the meetings like you)





    mi fa male la testa !! = my head hurts now = I am a new one !

    Not so simple this, when I go back to Germany next month, perhaps I should go along to another meeting and beat the crap out of one of the space eyed guys, or ask one of the women if she wants to have sex with me :-) Would they show me the other cheek ? Or would I be politely asked to leave ?

    I have to say, I find it difficult to believe some of what I have read since discovering this forum - I can't imagine something as completamente pazzesco as this - but on the other side there is no fire without smoke.

    MothandRust - you do sound like a real laugh

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    (Date Posted:20/09/2006 11:09 AM)

    you would not be allowed to stay, that? for sure. But since they will have read this anyway, it won? come as a big surprise if you do what you?e written above.

     

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    you would not be allowed to stay, that? for sure. But since they will have read this anyway, it won? come as a big surprise if you do what you?e written above.



    Then I will simply disappear from the scene - never to be heard of again, and will for sure NOT be visiting the group in Germany, neither will I be visiting this forum again.

    Many thanks to the people who warned me away from this, as well as to the lying bastards who obviously have some sort of axe to sharpen.

    Will continue to search for truth,

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    Then I will simply disappear from the scene - never to be heard of again, and will for sure NOT be visiting the group in Germany, neither will I be visiting this forum again.Many thanks to the people who warned me away from this

    Another satisfied customer... Sounds like someone has missed a bullet. Way to go A.D!

    No need to be ignorant. Thanks for reminding us why we maintain this forum.

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    "There is a real weird fella who has been posting little tantrum like bursts into the CAI room for years. He blurts out Nazi-bastard comments every few weeks or so. He has turret's syndrome I think? Most paranoid bitter little pill I've ever come across. The CAI seem to have done a real number on him... can't work the guy out. "

     

    No "MothandRust". I? not neither weird, have turret? syndrome or is paranoid. Where have you heard that from? From CAI? CAI only lies all the time. Don? you know that?

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     "No "MothandRust". I? not neither weird, have turret? syndrome or is paranoid. Where have you heard that from? From CAI? CAI only lies all the time. Don? you know that?

    Sorry... the turret's was a lame (and possible offensive to some) joke about your intermittent bursts. They sound overly bitter and being mostly anonymous they make it sound to visitors like a lot of people are blurting out little anger filled insults. They don't add to the discussions, and they don't really help much. We know how you feel about the CAI and those messages are available for people to read, should they wish to dig through them to find any actual information that may help.

    The paranoia, although possibly justified, is certainly evident.

    ... and yeah, maybe not weird, but there's a shade of bizarreness there.

    Your message is clear. The CAI lie all the time, but one man's lie is another man's truth... it's all relative. Some of them have the best of intentions and have no idea of the damage they're doing by preaching a gospel of exclusion/excusivity and control. They can't see it. It may make you feel better, but yelling at them and calling them names here is not going to help them or the people who are trying to leave.

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    GreetingsHave you familiarised yourself with the information found at the following website? It has much to say on the subject of the CAIhttp://rc.cultweb.net/RegardsModerator





    NOPE: you get this response. Must be another Troy Waller Vs Scott Williams legal fisticups... as usual nothing has changed.

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    NOPE: you get this response. Must be another Troy Waller Vs Scott Williams legal fisticups... as usual nothing has changed.

    Seems to be working fine... click the banner below


     

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    Dear MothandRust!

    I? not paranoid. If you have been through what I have been through caused by Scott and CAI, I think you have done the same thing. I don? want and i don? really have the time to write what CAI has done to me now, but I have never experienced something else in my whole life. And I have experienced a lot in my life. So all you guys, and girls, who judges me, think of your own language yourself instead. There is a lot people who has been hurt by CAI, and a lot of people who is hurt in CAI today every day, not to mention all the children inside CAI. So concentrate of them instead of me.

    Regards!

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    I wonder what your psychical diagnoses are "MothandRust"? And I? not bizarre or paranoid or whatsoever, maybe you are? And to all of you other cowardly abusers out there on the internet, leave me alone! Go and hit a piece of wood or something else then hit on me, you silly people. I? so tired of all of you CAI-Aussies, Germans or whatsoever who hit on me. What do you want to win on that? What have you to be proud about?, what is it in your history that you haven? done wrong? CAI is a Germanic-rasistic movement. It doesn? matter if it is an English, German or other White-power rasistic movement. Ku Klux Klan in America is such other movement. All this Scott knew when he started CAE, CAI or whatsoever the name has been.

    So stop hiting on me then! You are sued or reported to the police anyway.

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    I don? want and i don? really have the time to write what CAI has done to me now, but I have never experienced something else in my whole life. And I have experienced a lot in my life.


    But you have the time to read what others write - as well as coming up with something original like "CAI are evil" - "but I have never experianced something else....I have experianced a lot.. make yer mind up, matey!
    I think what you wanted to say, in Queens English mind, was "I have never experianced anything quite like it in my whole life, and I have experianced a lot..." - is that correct?

    If it is correct, then I would say "Has to be a one-off experiance" anyway, so unless you are a total wimp, and are constantly being taken for a mug, then you have my full sympathy!

    Come on though, I thought what mothandrust wrote was hilarious ! "Turrets syndrome" - classic ! I laughed myself silly! :-)
    I would say that nothing really happened to you - your just making it up - joining in the fun, being one of the gang, you probably do not have time to write because you belong to soooo many differant boards?

    I may be wrong, I may be crazy, I may be just the type of guy that you are looking for!

    Hope this new guy AIkenD logs on again, would like to see if he did go back and give someone a punch! I don't like violence for the sake of it, but there are a few guys who need to be taught a lesson. He is obviously still reading this stuff

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    I wonder what your psychical diagnoses are "MothandRust"? And I? not bizarre or paranoid or whatsoever, maybe you are?

    A phychological diagnosis of me? Hmm, many have tried. Bizarre?... Oh yes... yes! No doubt about that my friend . Paranoid? Nah... not really, not generally, but perhaps I'd have to admit that I am a little dubious of you, like 'Anonofcourse' is. I've always been an avid reader of your posts and it seems like you've said a lot, and yet nothing at the same time. Perhaps you would find it beneficial to yourself and others to elaborate on yours posts with your full story in detail (minus the slanderous nonsensical blah blahs).

    For what it's worth... you can't be tracked down here - it's safe. We're not your enemies so stop putting your Jihad Kybosh on us. It's all kosher and good here Homey. Your audience awaits, so let's have it, eh?... but enough with the "poor me, poor  me... leave me alone".. we're not touching you dude... well, maybe I'm poking at you a bit, but that's only because we luvs ya.


    So stop hiting on me then! You are sued or reported to the police anyway.

    Ohhhh... you love it. You love it. Waiting there in the wings for someone to take a dig at you. You're more of an attention seeker than I am - haha... seriously though, that comment was a bit wack. ... "But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for"

     

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    Paranoid?...but perhaps I'd have to admit that I am a little dubious of you, like 'Anonofcourse' is.




    Dont knock paranoia my friend - I am the most paranoid person there is, they ARE out to get me. As for a little dubious, I would go the whole hog and say "Tell him 'es dreamin"



    ..I've always been an avid reader of your posts




    - mate, I luv them, nother better to read than someones had it harder than yourself



    .."But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for"




    Ah, a man (or women) after my own heart (stoney, hard, cold) - you picked up on my gist, maybe we are the same person, eh??

    MothandRust - I think that you are the guy with the Turrets syndrome :-) Admit it - give us all a laugh, tell us, or tell me that I am wrong, just tell me something, anything

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    Dont knock paranoia my friend - I am the most paranoid person there is, they ARE out to get me. As for a little dubious, I would go the whole hog and say "Tell him 'es dreamin"..I've always been an avid reader of your posts- mate, I luv them, nother better to read than someones had it harder than yourself.."But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for"Ah, a man (or women)

    It's too late to fight

    It's too late to change me

    You may be wrong for all I know

    But you may be right

    MothandRust - I think that you are the guy with the Turrets syndrome :-) Admit it - give us all a laugh, tell us, or tell me that I am wrong, just tell me something, anything

    Is the syndrome catchy? too tired t care now... goin to bed.


     

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    Is the syndrome catchy? too tired t care now... goin to bed.





    Don't know if its catchy, "BOLLOCKS" - not sure - "GOB SHITE"

    I do wish the Turret Kid (as he should now be known) would give us a chuckle - come on "shouter" - call yourself the Turret Kid from now on - thats a cracker of a name to use.

    Sweet dreams mate,

    Turn out the light
    Don't try to save me
    You may be wrong for all I know
    But you may be right

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    Reply to : AnonymousNOPE: you get this response. Must be another Troy Waller Vs Scott Williams legal fisticups... as usual nothing has changed.Seems to be working fine... click the banner below





    Nope again. The banner gets you into RC.Cultweb ok BUT go the extra mile to these links that are mentioned on the web site

    (Click here to enter the CAI-Document-Archive

    The CAI Document Archive

    and you come up blank. Admittedly I can't copy and paste the URLs under these links but go into the web site and all the CAI stuff is unavailable.. Please understand that the context of discussion is about CAI and rc.cultweb is purely an RCI focused site. The CAI stuff is not there to be publicly accessed - go have a have a look yourself..

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    AikenD and/or 'Anon of course'

    You're welcome to post here but please pick one handle/username and stick with it.

     

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    Well, we all have a face that we hide away forever
    And we take them out and show ourselves when everyone has gone.
    Some are satin, some are steel,
    Some are silk and some are leather.
    They're the faces of a stranger,
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    AikenD and/or 'Anon of course'You're welcome to post here but please pick one handle/username and stick with it.





    OK, sorry, very clever, I did do this, will stick with my new name of Anon of course.

    I was kind of upset at the anymosity - I had hoped that this church was the one for me - and lo and behold, many people are speaking against them, for what seems to be real valid reasons.

    looks like I will have to stick to my violent, disturbed character - without any hope of a nice eternal life. ***%

    MothandRust - you getting this buddy ?

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    OK, sorry, very clever, I did do this, will stick with my new name of Anon of course.I was kind of upset at the anymosity - I had hoped that this church was the one for me - and lo and behold, many people are speaking against them, for what seems to be real valid reasons.looks like I will have to stick to my violent, disturbed character - without any hope of a nice eternal life. ***%MothandRust - you getting this buddy ?Anon of Course
    Something is not right here.  You are NOT who you pretending to be.  You are either a member or an ex-member.  Cut the shit.
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    Something is not right here. You are NOT who you pretending to be. You are either a member or an ex-member. Cut the shit.





    Maybe I am just some screwed up guy who almost became a member, but did not because of all you assholes and because I made the mistake of coming to this forum.

    for all everyone tells me not to go along, no one can tell me where to go - cut the shit ? If you had the balls to make yourself known, I wouldn't have a clue who you were anyway, and I wouldn't really give a shit either.

    You know what rage is, you know what it can do ? I don't have a conscience so why should I cut the shit?

    And who am I pretending to be ? Anon of Course, asshole. An anonymous forum, where I am using an open network, with an assumed name, because I went to a meeting once and met some nice guys - at least nice compared to the nutters I usually meet with - you want me to write in German or FRENCH OR ITALIAN - not all of us are one language guys (Australians I mean)

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    OK, sorry, very clever, I did do this, will stick with my new name of Anon of course.I was kind of upset at the anymosity - I had hoped that this church was the one for me - and lo and behold, many people are speaking against them, for what seems to be real valid reasons.looks like I will have to stick to my violent, disturbed character - without any hope of a nice eternal life. ***%MothandRust - you getting this buddy ?Anon of Course

    Anonofcourse... man! You fascinate me. Truly... don't lose contact. My hotmail is tjhunter007@hotmail.com - I'm glad you responded rather than running off. You've got a TONNE of respect from me man. A Tonne... and I don't give it out that frequently (for whatever worth that is from anyone's perspective of my character anyway.

    I think the moderator was being a bit of a tricky dicky by revealing your aliases. Big deal - she can compare I.P. addressess (she can take criticism) I have used at least 5 or 6 over the last few years here. A lot of people do.. it's part of the game and part of the fun. Sometimes I throw something up under an alias because I don't want it to look like the bloody Moth is all over the shop. LIke last night... I posted the buddhist 5 minute education - I don't want to have my nose so obviously in everything.

    Nothing to be ashamed of man. Nothing at all. I have many many faces and I use them when appropriate. I use a lot of my 'big man' face in a pathetic attempt to look like I know something on this forum... or just for attention or whatever...

    As our mutual friend  Billy Joel also wrote:

    Honesty is such a lonely word.
    Everyone is so untrue
    Honesty is hardly ever heard.
    But mostly what I want from you.

    - Billy Joel

    Don't go.. if you do. E-mail me...

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    Reply to : Anon of course [Anonymous]OK, sorry, very clever, I did do this, will stick with my new name of Anon of course.I was kind of upset at the anymosity - I had hoped that this church was the one for me - and lo and behold, many people are speaking against them, for what seems to be real valid reasons.looks like I will have to stick to my violent, disturbed character - without any hope of a nice eternal life. ***%MothandRust - you getting this buddy ?Anon of CourseAnonofcourse... man! You fascinate me. Truly... don't lose contact. My hotmail istjhunter007@hotmail.com- I'm glad you responded rather than running off. You've got a TONNE of respect from me man. A Tonne... and I don't give it out t




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    Truly... don't lose contact. My hotmail is tjhunter007@hotmail.com - I'm glad you responded rather than running off.
    .....
    I think the moderator was being a bit of a tricky dicky by revealing your aliases. Big deal - she can compare I.P. addressess (she can take criticism)





    Firstly, please excuse the empty post - hit my return key by mistake
    Secondly, the email address, Hey, nice one man - thanks for that.

    I am currently in Mother England at college - not learning but teaching (how not to get ripped of in business) - short term. And then I will be in the Fatherland again.
    BUT, I think I may come to Australia for a holiday - it's something everyone should do before the shuffle of this mortal coil.
    Before I get too old to enjoy myself properly. Before I get too fat to lie on a beach and not have Greenpeace rush to my rescue.
    There are some nice beaches in Italy, but I have heard that in Aus there are some places where one is eaten alive by big fish with lots of teeth :-)

    What a way to go.

    I made a post in We used to believe - ruffled someones feathers on purpose there, no conscience about it whatsoever - Thats the nature of an anonymous forum. I DID admit to it, but she (he) did not seem to notice my addmission.

    I will be on differant networks soon, so it will not be possible to trace me again. The moderator obviously has a boring life, if she (he) has to compare IP's - maybe I can take her out for a drink when I arrive in Aus ?

    We didn't start the fire
    No we didn't light it
    But we tried to fight it

    So, do you think Turret Kid will be back soon ?

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    Firstly, please excuse the empty post - hit my return key by mistake

    No worries. Moddy sometimes cleans those up as we go.

    Secondly, the email address, Hey, nice one man - thanks for that.

    No worries.. talk is cheap and e-mails are free.

    I have heard that in Aus there are some places where one is eaten alive by big fish with lots of teeth :-)

    Surfing is much more fun and edgey when there's a chance of being masticated by a Great White... we're more scared of the stingrays lately.

    I made a post in We used to believe - ruffled someones feathers on purpose there, no conscience about it whatsoever - Thats the nature of an anonymous forum. I DID admit to it, but she (he) did not seem to notice my addmission.

    Bindi (Marge) is a great gal. We chat on MSN regularly... She went off half-cocked at you (no double entendre intended), but I'll let her speak for herself. Sometimes chatting in this forum is like dancing in the dark. Elbows and legs fly everywhere and sometimes people get kicked in the backside (gay double entendre acknowledged).

    I will be on differant networks soon, so it will not be possible to trace me again. The moderator obviously has a boring life, if she (he) has to compare IP's - maybe I can take her out for a drink when I arrive in Aus?

    We've had our share of wackjobs and players that detract from what we're trying to do here. I'm sure s/he (who's name must not be mentioned) would be flattered by your offer... but again, I'll let her speak for herself. She's sort of like Charlie in 'Charlie's Angels'.

    And she only reveals what she wants you to see
    She hides like a child
    But shes always a woman to me - Billy Joel

    So, do you think Turret Kid will be back soon ?

    The Turret kids will surely be back... He's probably busy running down the street abusing streetlights... (only joking man, all in good fun)

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    Surfing is much more fun and edgey when there's a chance of being masticated by a Great White... we're more scared of the stingrays lately.





    I suppose thats got something to do with Australias answer to Homer Simpson shuffling of his very mortal coil ?
    We kept hearing about how much he did for conservation and so on, but the average german couldn't give a shit about crocodiles (never seen one on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg nor have I ever seen one in Piccadily Circus in London !)




    We've had our share of wackjobs and players that detract from what we're trying to do here.




    What are you (plural) trying to do here? Apart from put people of going back to sign up for a life long nightmare (at least thats what I have picked up from reading the rest of the forum)




    The Turret kids will surely be back... He's probably busy running down the street abusing streetlights... (only joking man, all in good fun)





    Fun, as in fundamentalism ? I did like his posts, he sounded a bit like Johny Rotten did back in the 70's (as if I would know)

    Now, I have a serious question:

    AM I correct in thinking that everywhere there is a house group from the CAI, they all eat the same food all the time ?
    For example Rupert and Vivian (names picked at random) eat some Pizza and salad (menu picked at random) then EVRYONE else in the world (area picked at random) is also eating Pizza and salad ? And if I were to add some garlic bread I would be in some sort of trouble?

    Read something like this in another thread, but lost the thread and read so much that I thought to ask here

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    I suppose thats got something to do with Australias answer to Homer Simpson shuffling of his very mortal coil ?We kept hearing about how much he did for conservation and so on, but the average german couldn't give a shit about crocodiles (never seen one on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg nor have I ever seen one in Piccadily Circus in London !)We've had our share of wackjobs and players that detract from what we're trying to do here.What are you (plu

    Our mission here? Awareness I suppose... information. If you've ever walked through a mine-field and survived, I think the least you could do would be to show other people the map.

    Ummm... Steve's death is very close to a lot of us at the moment. Likening him to Homer is... just wrong. There was a passion and an enthusiasm for life in the guy that is very sobering. In fact, I made an animation out of a C&H strip today to put on my classroom forum for my students. I'll put it here... why not.

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    Likening him to Homer is... just wrong.




    THERE I GO AGAIN, my big gob or fingers upsetting people, although, Homer is a real nice guy, a laugh and someone who has a soft heart - so understanding Homer is a must here, Yahoo.
    But, I did not mean to pick on Steve - during my time in Asia, the only programm I could watch was Animal Planet (I do not speak any asian languages) - and Steve was a regular. He made me laugh, and also made me feel ashamed that I do not do as much for other people as he does (in fact I do nothing for other people) - he also lived on the extreme edge, and for that I have extreme RESPECT, man, he had balls of adamantium - He was a real character indeed and for that he gets 10 out of 10 - if any australian person thought I was having a go at him personally, please excuse me indeed.
    I actually quoted him in the other forum. OK, what I said was "Here's a beauty" - Does that count?

    If I had met him in real life (as apposed to on the box) then I would have been glad to shake his hand

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    If you've ever walked through a mine-field and survived, I think the least you could do would be to show other people the map.




    To what mine-field are you referring? The mine-field of orginized (or disorginized) religion?
    Are you saying that groups such as the CAI and RCI and others are mine-fields (and am I correct in assuming that they are somehow related - such a morass of postings, I am quite dizzy now)

    Turret Boy, what you got to say about the subject of mine-fields? Or would this cause an explosion? I do miss Turret Boy, now that I have read what appears to be him all over the place! He doesn't mince his words does he? I think he would be helped he he LAUGHED a bit - sometimes the only reason I have not murdered somebody is LAUGHTER

    I believe that there is a group of CAI folks in Scotland. I did think of going up there and having some of this stuff out with them - I suppose you would advise me not to. I am still pissed of at all this, and am not one to just let things go easily - I need to get down to the core of a subject, even if the core is also rotten (nice comparison, me thinks)- but perhaps speaking in English to Scottish people would be better than speaking in German to german people, and I can't wait to get back to Germany, might be another 3-4 months.

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