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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 12:22 AM)
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$%*'`[Prophet]%*'`@News spreading around, that Scott Williams, leader of the C.A.I.,allegedlysexuallyabuses young membersof his assembly.Is there anybody in Australia to prevent Williams in doing this evil in the furure?ProphetEdited by moderator
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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 1:18 AM)

Reply to : Prophet [Anonymous]  If there is any proof, not just gossip then the police sound like a good way to go. Anonymous call to Crime Stoppers? From a public phone of course, well away from where you live !!!

Cheers,

Glad


News spreading around, that Scott Williams, leader of the C.A.I., sexually abuses children in his assembly.Is there anybody in Australia to prevent Williams in doing this evil in the furure?Prophet


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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 1:24 AM)

$%*'`[Prophet]%*'`@Dear Glad,

it's not just gossip, it's true.

Ask Williams Co-Pastors, who have been sacked by Williams just recently, because they complained to him about this matter.

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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 1:33 AM)

John 8:32 : "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

In case the persecution theme is retaught again in the different CAI groups, here is something to think about for those CAI members who have the courage to "take a look at both sides of a story":

Those who have been around in CAI would remember Scott Williams "prophesying" at the different HVs that:

- "one day the police will come... and there will be persecution...etc."
 
- "one day, the press will write about us... saying that some men in the assembly are gays... who will you believe then ? The press or your overseer?...etc."

Would Scott Williams then be a real prophet, a person who can give prophecies, explaining what will happen in the future?


Well, to help CAI members to answer this question, here are a few questions for them to ponder upon:

- Would you say that a thief, who had broken into houses and stolen things years ago, is a prophet when he says : "one day the police will come to pick me up and say that I am a thief"?

- Would you say that a man who has sexually abused people is a prophet when he says : "one day the police will come, the press will write and say that I sexually abused people... who will you believe then? The police, the press or me..."?

No wonder Scott Williams could "prophecy" about the police and the press when he himself knew that what he had done is against the law!


http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/story/2009/07/18/pastor-charged-with-sex-crimes-on-parishioners/


Is it not normal for a man who has sexually abused someone to be charged by the police? What would you do if it would be your child who had been sexually abused? Should Scott be treated differently than any other citizen?

How come then that the CAI leadership does not agree with Scott being charged although Scott himself said in the past that Catholic priests who had done the same should be prosecuted?




But now CAI members are told that persecution is coming...!!!

The question is : from who and why is the so-called "persecution" coming? Is it not from Scott Williams who should not have done what he did?!!!

Is it for CAI members to pay the price for what Scott did and which is against the law? Is it for CAI members to pay Scott Williams' lawyers?

Those who have clearly read the following article about CAI would realise that it gives more facts rather than exaggerated description about CAI members:

http://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/story/2009/07/17/cai-cult-linked-by-the-internet/


This article was not written to hurt CAI members, but to give facts about what represents CAI in Coffs Harbour : a huge property with many riches, wired fences, etc... Anyway, the type of church which you can read in the Bible, can't ya? ;-)

Was God more interested about the Temple and its gold, or rather the people and their problems?

Well, we know now what happened to the Temple in Jerusalem! Did Christ come to build huge properties with gold, Rolex, manicured gardens, penthouse flats, etc.? Or did He come to help the poor and the needy?

I
nstead, Scott Williams and his acolytes (those who hold the finances and know more than any normal CAI member) get thousands of dollars to buy top grass and other expensive stuff in case the Queen might pass by one day.... Hmmmm, and all this doesn't profit at all to the needy, does it?

So the questions for the remaining CAI members are:

- Do you prefer to be like germans in WW2 believing Hitler till the end? Do you need the americans to prove to you all the atrocities which the Hitler regime did? Do you still fear Scott Williams' authority and prefer to blindly believe him on everything he says, and pay then the price with him because of your blind trust and submission???

- Or can you listen to your conscience, seek for the truth and "look at both sides of a story" as the Bible says? Do you have the courage to question Scott and Michy' sayings, seeking proofs, facts, etc.???


John 8:32 : "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."


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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 1:46 AM)

Reply to : Prophet [Anonymous]  Why are people afraid of these men? The Co-Pastors seem to have a some morals, but WHY complain to the person who abuses. GO TO THE POLICE!!!!!

This is why these places and all their abhorrent behaviours are able to still function- no-one stands up to them and no-one has the guts to do what is right.

WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN FOR GOD"S SAKE?????!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Glad


Dear Glad,it's not just gossip, it's true.Ask Williams Co-Pastors, who have been sacked by Williams just recently, because they complained to him about this matter.Prophet
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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 9:11 AM)

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Dear Glad,it's not just gossip, it's true.Ask Williams Co-Pastors, who have been sacked by Williams just recently, because they complained to him about this matter.Prophet
has Micky been sacked? he is lilke his right hand man. did he confront scott on this? does anyone know? this better be real facts and not some total garbage! how do you know about this?
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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 10:24 AM)

$%*'`[Prophet]%*'`@Answer:

Micky has not been sacked, Pastors G?ther and Wolfgang were.

Also in between ca. 30 C.A.I. people have left C.A.I. because of this affair.

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(Date Posted:12/10/2006 6:38 PM)

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Answer:Micky has not been sacked, Pastors G?ther and Wolfgang were.Also in between ca. 30 C.A.I. people have left C.A.I. because of this affair.Prophet (Insider)
has someone contacted the police? has scott been stood down over this? those poor children, how disgusting if this is really true!
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(Date Posted:13/10/2006 3:04 PM)

Scott Williams is the founder and leader of Christian Assemblies International. (CAI).

He is known for his homosexual tendencies.
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(Date Posted:13/10/2006 3:13 PM)

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Reply to : Prophet [Anonymous]Answer:Micky has not been sacked, Pastors G?ther and Wolfgang were.Also in between ca. 30 C.A.I. people have left C.A.I. because of this affair.Prophet (Insider)has someone contacted the police? has scott been stood down over this? those poor children, how disgusting if this is really true!





It is difficult for cult members who are still inside a cult, to just call the police.

Scott Williams always threatens his followers by disobedience with damnation and hellfire.

Prophet
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(Date Posted:14/10/2006 4:23 PM)

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Reply to : AnonymousScott Williams is(CAI) known for his homosexual tendencies.Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Hey there! Fair point,  but the issue at hand is that he is a sexual predator who's youngest known victim was 15 (illegal) and whose modus operandi  was coercing straight, mostly married men into homosexual activities using some sick and twisted interpretation of the scripture. With respect to the broad spectrum of beliefs on this forum, these men believed it to be wrong and have lived in guilt, shame and deceit for so long. Secrecy prevailed in the most part, therefore isolating the victims, making them think they were the only ones. Standard, textbook sexual predator. All about the power. 

 The real question at hand: what sort of control must he have had (and still has) (out with the old, in with the new) over these men to be able to continue this practice unabated? And how did he get away with it when someone like Michy was always around???Think about it.

SICK, SICK SICK

About abusing kids, haven't found any evidence so far. Well, 15 is a kid of course, poor innocent souls, but havent heard of anything else? Does anyone else have evidence of this? I really hope not.

 

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(Date Posted:14/10/2006 5:42 PM)

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the issue at hand is that he is a sexual predator who's youngest known victim was 15 (illegal) and whose modus operandi was coercing straight, mostly married men into homosexual activities using some sick and twisted interpretation of the scripture. With respect to the broad spectrum of beliefs on thisforum, these men believed it to be wrong and have lived in guilt, shame and deceit for so long.

Sounds like the guy needs to be strung up and flogged... old school style, if the rumour is true. I certainly wasn't wanting to defend him, but there just seemed to be a lot of random accusations that often come from an anonymous rambler here. It all sounds like shoddy slander and name calling unless someone can prove the accusations.

Sounds like you actually know what's going down though... if true, I hope a whistle blower comes out soon and makes the right people aware of it all and he finds out what karma has in store. I doubt he sleeps comfortably at night, knowing the wolf is surely coming to his door... maybe this week... maybe the next... but sooner or later, the wolf comes for his pound of flesh.

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(Date Posted:14/10/2006 11:12 PM)

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And how did he get away with it when someone like Michy was always around???Think about it.




What kind of relationship do Scott an Michy have? What do you think? Didn't Scott say, that Michy was chosen because he could give him what other were not able to...?
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(Date Posted:15/10/2006 4:00 AM)

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What kind of relationship do Scott an Michy have? What do you think? Didn't Scott say, that Michy was chosen because he could give him what other were not able to...?

Ok ok.  Hang on.  Now this is slipping into heresay and dangerous territory.  You can't say Michy was into homosexual stuff too unless you KNOW he was/is.  These are REAL people with REAL lives.  Yes, I know they have done horrible things to you guys, but don't stoop to their level and just make stuff up.

What we need here is some evidence.  People who have been touched, seen it happen, etc.  These people need to come forward.  We, in western countries have a legal system that is based on the premise of 'innocent until proven guilty'.  It may not be perfect but it is better than 'guilty until proven innocent' for obvious reasons.

I know that this forum is the ONLY place for things like this to be aired, but you also have to be responsible with it, lest you become just like them and damage people's reputations for selfish motivations.

Anyway, if it had been me who was touched then maybe I would be far less ready to defend them.  As for the 15 year old boy, SOMEONE NEEDS TO NOTIFY THE POLICE IN THE COUNTRY WHERE IT HAPPENED.

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(Date Posted:15/10/2006 4:58 AM)

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About abusing kids, haven't found any evidence so far. Well, 15 is a kid of course, poor innocent souls, but havent heard of anything else? Does anyone else have evidence of this? I really hope not.

 


On the old forum boards, the story  came up about two little boys being made to stand naked outside in the freezing cold at Pitsversie House. However after reading some of these threads the abuse appears to be  quiet prevalent. So what is "onkel" really up to ???    Does anyone have any cold hard evidence to present or post which carries more weight than mere hearsay ??

 

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(Date Posted:15/10/2006 9:29 AM)

Why not getting in contact with G?ther, wolfi, Steve ore Robert R. - They have left the Assembly recently - I? shure they know lot of evidence - Wonder if they have the courage to talk about it
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(Date Posted:15/10/2006 11:30 AM)

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Reply to : Jeff29 [Anonymous]What kind of relationship do Scott an Michy have? What do you think? Didn't Scott say, that Michy was chosen because he could give him what other were not able to...?Ok ok. Hang on. Now this is slipping into heresay and dangerous territory. You can't say Michy was into homosexual stuff too unless you KNOW he was/is. These are REAL people with REAL lives. Yes, I know they have done horrible things to you guys, but don't stoop to their level and just make stuff up.What we need here is some evidence. People who have been touched, seen it happen, etc. These people need to come forward. We, in western countries have a legal system that is based on the premise of'innocent until proven




I know about a few men wich habe been touched by Scott Williams!
When one of them outet himself on -cai cult web.- Martin Tr?ter denied everything! But there where are a few who knew that Fritz was wright. There are only a few men who knew about those "homo" ongoings and the tried to hide everything.
So they are gilty too, now of what happend in the end! I am sooooo sorry for the boy, who had to suffer , because those men didn`t stand up in the first place!
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(Date Posted:15/10/2006 3:33 PM)

When I heard the messsage that Scott W. abuses children, I was shocked. I hope that a lot of members now have the courage to leave the assembly.  Does anyone know which members, or from which assemblies have left so far?

 

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(Date Posted:16/10/2006 1:29 PM)

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When I heard the messsage that Scott W. abuses children, I was shocked. I hope that a lot of members now have the courage to leave the assembly. Does anyone know which members, or from which assemblies have left so far?





G?ther F.(Ex-Pastor), Wolfgang F.(Ex-Pastor), Steve F. (Ex-Pastor), Robert R. (Ex-Pastor), in the moment all living in Australia, but born in Germany, all have left the CAI-Gang.

Also the French-Branch has left together with Martin Tr?ter.

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(Date Posted:16/10/2006 4:17 PM)

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G?ther F.(Ex-Pastor), Wolfgang F.(Ex-Pastor), Steve F. (Ex-Pastor), Robert R. (Ex-Pastor), in the moment all living in Australia, but born in Germany, all have left the CAI-Gang.Also the French-Branch has left together with Martin Tr?ter.Insider

And no one from Germany, Austria or Russia? This would be interesting for me because I know some people from there.

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(Date Posted:16/10/2006 5:44 PM)

Has anyone said they hate this man?

Why are you getting involved anyway?

Yes, the men in the assembly are wimps because they are taught to take piles of shit from "overseers" and sit and watch whilst their wives are verbally abused and maltreated. That does not mean what they say is not true however.

 

What is your real agenda (and drop the "no?" crap at the end of each line - you really are not who you say you are and you?e not fooling anyone).

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(Date Posted:16/10/2006 7:24 PM)

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Has anyone said they hate this man?


- Perhaps not in so many words,


Why are you getting involved anyway?


- I went to a few meetings, then did some web research, then found you bunch of bastardi pazzeschi - and obviously decided against going back to the meetings thanks to all your wonderful advice


What is your real agenda


- Just interested, mio caro, and slightly irate that no one offered me any solution, just problems


(and drop the "no?" crap at the end of each line - you really are not who you say you are and you?e not fooling anyone).


- I am not trying to fool anyone, just wanted to know something (originally) and found a load nasty truths or lies from people who have obviously rejected christianity as a valid way to live and die.

The "no?" crap is an old habit, and if I am not who I say I am, then who am I ? George W Bush ? Voltaire ? Old Mother Hubbard ? The Pope perhaps ?

I have never claimed to be anyone except Anon of Course ! My real name is Bertrando, of course I NEVER introduce myself with a name like that, having spent my childhood in Germany - my mother calls me something else, and the guys who invited me to the meetings knew me by another name also.
I studied in England, and most of the time I desire to return to Italia, but my current proffesion does not allow for that. Just because I have studied however does not mean that my english is perfect or terrible, but it is not too bad, no?

So, if you live near Muenchen, I return there next week, so instead of hiding behind anon, be a man and come say what you have to say over a cappucino. Or if you live near Piedmont in Italia I will be back there next month until January, then I am back in England, with their disgusting women and equally disgusting food

I have spent HOURS reading this forum, and it's full of interesting perspectives - why should I not get involved ? I came here asking a sincere question, and was invited to stay.

vaffanculo Figlio di Puttana - if you had any balls, you would NOT be anon - and don't give me crap about the "the ongoing (but perhaps empty) threats of legal action from the leaders of the CAI" - you are anon because you have lost your balls in life - although if your a lady, excuse me please !


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(Date Posted:17/10/2006 1:19 AM)

dear Bertrando, I am anon cos I? too lazy to fill in a name. I don? give a shit about threats of legal action, because there is no legal action which can be taken.

I would also prefer that you refrain from making comments about my mother, you do not know her and to refer to her as a prostitute is inappropriate. As stated on the other thread you would fit right in with the CAI. If your reason for not joining was because you were advised not to here all I can say is who are the people here to decide your life for you? Can you not make that decision yourself? If you wish to discuss, fine, but stick to the issues at hand and don? throw in comments like "you hate this guy". That is exactly the kind of thing that a CAI member posing on this thread as an Italian/German/whatever would do . You may wonder, how could a "christian" lie, if they are from the CAI why pretend otherwise. Well, as anyone who has left the CAI can tell you lying is one of their greatest passions and they have absolutely no qualms about it. The ends justify the means in their book.

As for your continual racist comments against other cultures/food/women etc. why not just bugger off back to Italy and then you won? have anything to complain about now will you? Again it? your decision. if you continue to live in the UK, it? your choice. If you don? join CAI it? your choice. Don? try and blame others because you obviously feel unable to take responsibility for your actions (once again this would mean you fit right in at CAI so why not go back and join after all?).

 

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(Date Posted:17/10/2006 9:47 AM)

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It is difficult for cult members who are still inside a cult, to just call the police.Scott Williams always threatens his followers by disobedience with damnation and hellfire.Prophet
hope that S.W. will get what he sowed and what he definitevly deserves.

It's up to you people to collect as many information, facts and vitnesses on this matter as possible.

Keep cool

keep to the facts you have, be sober en direct and go to the police

and don't be afraid of beeing sent to hell, I think you are there already....

But be assured you  won't, it's really clear in the bible that these things are hated by God and even an oversight has no right  to do such things.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the story of David and Saul.

Ik think that you might get into great  trouble with God if you are not doing anything against it !

Child abuse is one of the most criminal things any human beeing can do.

Take this in considery.

I would not be able to live with the knolwedge that I could have done anything about it and did not do it.

Please everybody who is involved, take the guts  and do something about this....please make the right choices, not what indoctrination and brainwashing are telling you.

God be with you.

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(Date Posted:17/10/2006 11:57 AM)

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Hi Bertrano or whatever the f**k you call yourself.  why don't you get the f**k back to your cowardly impoverished nazi sympathising corrupt violent stinking country sooner rather than later?   your food is also shite by the way, you fat greasy italian slimy italian bastard.

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Hi Bertrano or whatever the f**k you call yourself. why don't you get the f**k back to your cowardly impoverished nazi sympathising corrupt violent stinking country sooner rather than later? your food is also shite by the way, you fat greasy italian slimy italianbastard.




Classic stuff, love it - today was rather boring - teaching some business stuff - and then voila - a real laugh again - many thanks :-) :-)
My aeroplane is booked, on Friday I am back in Germany (I think this is the country to which you are referring) and then onto Italy from where I can take a nice holiday and continue to make comments that offend someone, somewhere, in summertime.

I am not fat though, and although pizza does not come from Italy, it IS a great food, and tell me ONE person who has never eaten pizza ?

3anon, are you English ? If so, I do like Picadilly Circus on a Saturday night. And I loved Somerset, Glastonbury especially, so not everything in England is a knee high pile of shit :-)

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When I heard the messsage that Scott W. abuses children, I was shocked. I hope that a lot of members now have the courage to leave the assembly. Does anyone know which members, or from which assemblies have left so far?





Hi Freelady,

you are blessed that you have escaped the CAI psycho-terror times ago.

But - to complete your informations - here are the actual news:


Scott, the gang leader, is really in trouble at present.

Many "big gays" from the old times have left the gang:

Wolfgang Fr., G?ther Fr., even Martin Tr?., the hardliner, even Robert Ro, the Bavarian, even Steven Fork., Doris Hu., Klaus Tisch., Thommy Wasm. etc.

All together there are about 60 people, who have left the cult.

Scott abused the boy at several times.

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When I heard the messsage that Scott W. abuses children, I was shocked. I hope that a lot of members now have the courage to leave the assembly. Does anyone know which members, or from which assemblies have left so far?





Hi freelady,

you are blessed, because you have escaped the C.A.I. gang times ago.

Here are the newest news:

In the last three weeks about 60 people have left the C.A.I. gang.

Even hardliners from the old times/beginnings like G?ther Fr., Wolfgang (Werwolf) Fr., Martin Tr?, Steve For., Doris Hu., Klaus Tisch., Thommy Was., etc.

The main event was, when they found out, that Scott Williams abused one of the Ex-Pastors boys sexually on several occasions.
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(Date Posted:18/10/2006 1:13 AM)

That? good to hear that so many people have left the CAI so far. I hope that the other members have the courage to follow their example.

Does anyone know if there is someone from Austria or Russia who left? ( I know some of them from my time in CAI).

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(Date Posted:18/10/2006 4:42 AM)

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Hi Freelady,you are blessed that you have escaped the CAI psycho-terror times ago.But - to complete your informations - here are the actual news:Scott, the gang leader, is really in trouble at present.Many "big gays" from the old times have left the gang:Wolfgang Fr., G?ther Fr., even Martin Tr?., the hardliner, even Robert Ro, the Bavarian, even Steven Fork., Doris Hu., Klaus Tisch., Thommy Wasm. etc.All together there are about 60 people, w

What about Peirre J. and Robert, have they left too ???.. Prophet among all those names you listed eg Klaus Tish, TommT and Robert are Brisbane based,  Simply that means the whole Brisbane group are removed from the CAI.

old friend anon 

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(Date Posted:18/10/2006 7:53 PM)

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Reply to : Prophet [Anonymous]Hi Freelady,you are blessed that you have escaped the CAI psycho-terror times ago.But - to complete your informations - here are the actual news:Scott, the gang leader, is really in trouble at present.Many "big gays" from the old times have left the gang:Wolfgang Fr., G?ther Fr., even Martin Tr?., the hardliner, even Robert Ro, the Bavarian, even Steven Fork., Doris Hu., Klaus Tisch., Thommy Wasm. etc.All together there are about 60 people, wWhat about PeirreJ. and Robert, have they left too ???.. Prophet among all those names you listed eg Klaus Tish, TommT and Robert are Brisbanebased, Simply that means the whole Brisbane group are removed from the CAI.old friend anon

 

Thank you old friend from the old days,

 

yes - isn't God good? He has answered our prayers about delivering those precious souls from the cult grip of CAI-Williams.

 

God bless,

 

Prophet

 

 

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(Date Posted:18/10/2006 11:55 PM)

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : Prophet [Anonymous]Hi Freelady,you are blessed that you have escaped the CAI psycho-terror times ago.But - to complete your informations - here are the actual news:Scott, the gang leader, is really in trouble at present.Many "big gays" from the old times have left the gang:Wolfgang Fr., G?ther Fr., even Martin Tr?., the hardliner, even Robert Ro, the Bavarian, even Steven Fork., Doris Hu., Klaus Tisch., Thommy Wasm. etc.All together there are about 60 people, wWhat about PeirreJ. and Robert, have they left too ???.. Prophet among all those names you listed eg Klaus Tish, TommT and Robert are Brisbanebased, Simply that means the whole Brisbane group are removed from the CAI.old friend anonThank you old f

Am  both relieved and sad, but very happy to see that God is faithful even if men are not.!!!!!!!!!!

God bless all people who left the CIA .

I am so happy that hopefully this hell will be ended, finally.

Grace and honour and glory to the righteouss God I still believe in .....deeply hidden in my heart.............. But He is still there........and he never failed me...

Keep up the good work. And keep to the truth.

 

 

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(Date Posted:19/10/2006 11:44 AM)

$%*'`[Andreas Duswald]%*'`@Hello together!

This news have shocken my wife an me deeply.We dont know what to even think about it. but one thing is shure.

bitternes or a unforgiving heart is only hurting your self. What ever happend, or what ever Scott and all others who ever have been in the CAi have done.
It is not good to keep it in your heart. I clearly see very hard times a head for Scott w. He was never willing to listen with a open heart and now he receives his reward. This is a very sad thing for me and my wife.
We know everybody reaps what he saw, but I? sad becaus a very good idea and assembly who realy could have done something good is about to die.
Much energy, money und nerves have been wastet for piss and shit as we say here. All the houses the Land, the hotels the Towers and what ever was build and buyed. I believe it is all Piss and Shit and it was allways. And this is a hard thing to see now.

All the energy and money should better have been put in something more worth than property and Luxory. so now - All in vain - thats sad

My personal hope is, that all who had a leading position in CAI (Including Scott) Will be able to repent.

hope that G?thy is able to build something new

Greetz Andy
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(Date Posted:19/10/2006 2:21 PM)

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Gosh man, you can't stay out of trouble hahahhah...




That is surely true amico mio - I also stick my feet into other peoples mouths - but only at football matches, and I am getting too old for that now.



I wouldn't judge christianity by the users of this forum.



Actually worked that out myself, but thank you for the reminder - even IF my home country IS badly burned by a strange type of christianity - nun of this, nun of that and nun of the other - and I see peadophiles and money grabbing bastardos in Rome every time I go there. Also see control hungry power freaks (priests again) who tell my mother to do some rather strange things - I told them once to do some rather strange things also :-)



...and watching The Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe.




A childrens film ? Non capisco - just humour ?



Forgiveness is a funny thing. It's a nice attribute..




How do you do it ? Forgivness ? - I would like to drop my hatred from the past - does not help me when I am screaming at the pillars :-(

I need to leave in a couple of hours for the plane - Germany is calling my name

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(Date Posted:20/10/2006 11:28 PM)

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Andi wrote: hope that G?ther is able to build something new ...





Hi Andi,

don`t you think, that G?ther just needs a - lets say - ten years therapy in a normal spiritfilled Christian Church just to become normal and to leave the spiritual burdens of a long time CAI membership?

Be blessed and best regards

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(Date Posted:21/10/2006 3:01 AM)

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Hi Andi,don`t you think, that G?ther just needs a - lets say - ten years therapy in a normal spiritfilled Christian Church just to become normal and to leave the spiritual burdens of a long time CAI membership?Be blessed and best regardsAnon 17

Just a word in Gunther's defence to all of you out there..........Gunthy was Scott's first convert. He has suffered at the hand of Scott for longer than most of us can imagine. His whole life has been screwed up beyond all recognition. His wife has been dragged through the shit, humiliated and disgraced in front of all her friends. Now all of the people that have left have to live with the things that they have done in Christ's name . Vile things. Don't be angry. Pray for those who have despitefully used you. I bet that they don't even have peace when they sleep, but dream every night about following a charismatic man that used them in the worst possible way.

Noone could have imagined that below the highly moral facade lay such a sinful pit of filthy iniquity.

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(Date Posted:21/10/2006 11:55 PM)

Anon of course wrote "but I do understand what the word forgive means". So Scott asks for forgiveness now. He will have my forgiveness when he sits behind bars for what he has done.
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(Date Posted:22/10/2006 10:06 AM)

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Reply to : anon 17Hi Andi,don`t you think, that G?ther just needs a - lets say - ten years therapy in a normal spiritfilled Christian Church just to become normal and to leave the spiritual burdens of a long time CAI membership?Be blessed and best regardsAnon 17Just a word in Gunther's defence to all of you out there..........Gunthy was Scott's first convert. He has suffered at the hand of Scott for longer than most of us can imagine. His whole life has been screwed up beyond all recognition. His wife has been dragged through the shit, humiliated and disgraced in front of all her friends. Now all of the people that have left have to live with the things that they have done in Christ's name . Vile things. Don't be angry. Pray for those who have despitefully used you. I





Thats right

We like this man very much and Sabine an I hope and pray that he will be heald from all this - Of course we know this needs a great miracle after such a long time of ubuse
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(Date Posted:22/10/2006 11:30 AM)

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Reply to : freddo frogReply to : anon 17Hi Andi,don`t you think, that G?ther just needs a - lets say - ten years therapy in a normal spiritfilled Christian Church just to become normal and to leave the spiritual burdens of a long time CAI membership?Be blessed and best regardsAnon 17Just a word in Gunther's defence to all of you out there..........Gunthy was Scott's first convert. He has suffered at the hand of Scott for longer than most of us can imagine. His whole life has been screwed up beyond all recognition. His wife has been dragged through the shit, humiliated and disgraced in front of all her friends. Now all of the people that have left have to live with the things that they have done in Christ's name . Vile things. Don't be angry. Pray for those who have despitefully used you. I

 

... and don't forget that Gunther has been only 16 when he got converted....

what's also a great point of concern are all the children who where raised in the CAI and who are now adult or adolescent... I fear that they never will be able to get get back to a normal (christian) life  and to get rid of the things with which they were indoctrinated ?

It's not the pysical abuse  which is the most harmful.......this is in relation to the other easy to decern as not right,  but the spiritual,  psychological and emotional abuse and indoctrination!

 To get over this is so very difficult ....

The effect  of  twisted scriptures and indoctrination is devastating .... and it takes years if not a lifetime to get this in some way a littlebit right again.

 

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(Date Posted:22/10/2006 7:23 PM)

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Reply to : freddo frogReply to : anon 17Hi Andi,don`t you think, that G?ther just needs a - lets say - ten years therapy in a normal spiritfilled Christian Church just to become normal and to leave the spiritual burdens of a long time CAI membership?Be blessed and best regardsAnon 17Just a word in Gunther's defence to all of you out there..........Gunthy was Scott's first convert. He has suffered at the hand of Scott for longer than most of us can imagine. His whole life has been screwed up beyond all recognition. His wife has been dragged through the shit, humiliated and disgraced in front of all her friends. Now all of the people that have left have to live with the things that they have done in Christ's name . Vile things. Don't be angry. Pray for those who have despitefully used you. I

Is G?ther still in Australia or has he left? Maybe it would be good for him to change his current environment. I hope and pray that he will find the strength to go through all these troubles and that he will have people around him who will support him!

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(Date Posted:22/10/2006 11:09 PM)

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Hi Andi,don`t you think, that G?ther just needs a - lets say - ten years therapy in a normal spiritfilled Christian Church just to become normal and to leave the spiritual burdens of a long time CAI membership?Be blessed and best regardsAnon 17



I was in the PEB-RCE-CAI-Cult for 13 years from the beginning, in 1994 I got out of the cult and started to fellowship in a normal spiritfilled christian Church near my town.

I have been delivered from the cult bondage by the grace of God and through the Holy Spirit, but it took me years to really become spiritual normal and to lead a happy life again.

Anon 17
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(Date Posted:24/10/2006 11:25 AM)

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...We, in western countries have a legal system that is based on the premise of 'innocent until proven guilty'. It may not be perfect but it is better than 'guilty until proven innocent' for obvious reasons.




Actually, in western countries it is not always this way at all..most of Europe go under corpus juris, no habeas corpus so you can really get into trouble

The differance is...
corpus juris = a) suspicion, b) arrest, c) investigation and d) charge.
habeas corpus = a) suspicion, b) investigation, c) arrest, d) charge.

Note the differance

Not wanting to be pompous or big headed about this, it is my field of expertise after all, just wanted to point it out.

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(Date Posted:25/10/2006 12:48 AM)

Scott is guilty to very bad things, manipulation and harassment, because that is what he has done to me. He wanted to destroy my life completely. But he is a real coward in the very end.
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(Date Posted:26/10/2006 2:53 AM)

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To various members posting with good intentions: I hope you won't be offended if I suggest you leave this conversation to people who have more experience with the CAI. It's a particularly sensitive issue, as you can imagine, and I don't want it flaring out of control. 

Please feel free to visit the non church specific rooms if you would like to add to the discussions about the beliefs and doctrines of the CAI and Revival churches.

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(Date Posted:26/10/2006 5:34 AM)

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Reply to : EnoughAnon of course.It's probably best if you stay out of the CAI room now. It is more for ex-members to discuss their thoughts and experiences. Please feel free to visit the non church specific rooms if you would like to add to thediscussions their. Thanks.All the references to child abuse will soon be deleted unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Hi

I dont agree with the title of this thread as it makes out that Scott is a paedophile, which I don't believe is the case. He has a liking for boys/men from about age 16-25, but I do know of one, maybe two cases where he has pushed the boundary to a 15 year old. This in itself is serious enough but the majority of victims have been "over the legal limit." I will start a new thread shortly and explain Scott's modus operandi...

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(Date Posted:28/10/2006 8:04 AM)

I have seen Scott abuse two small boys, five to ten years old. Scott said that let? take these two small boys, strip them so they only will remain in their underwear and then take them outside in the cold November rain in Scotland. I think the manipulated members did take the boys outside as well. I was so confused and horrofied about Scott? words so I don? really now remember if the small boys were taken outside or not. But Scott said this.
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$%*'`[donkey's]%*'`@

...hi to all concerned ...... an important point to consider is that these so-called 'ex CAI hard liners', who're now making all the waves (3 amigos and friends) ONLY STARTED TO GET THE FINGER OUT - WHEN SCOTT STARTED TO MAKE MOVES AGAINST THEIR OWN SONS !!!!

They gave all of us members/ex-members shit for years - NEVER really concerned with the Word of God, to speak and deal truthfully - as can be seen by what has been uncovered lately. NO! - .... 'The Show' had to go on for MANY YEARS... otherwise those poor (LOL) bastards couldn't feed themselves on the CAI troughs anymore.

Some may claim 'limited responsibility' for little, arrogant, snotty nosed boys - being 'groomed' into big, arrogant, snotty nosed, all wise and 'anointed' homsexual pleasure slaves pastors and overseers..... such as allegedly happened to members of the 'Frantz clan'.

Well, that is a sad excuse - these bastards still have to face all the shit they handed out, allowing homosexual worms like Benny K. to 'introduce & break-in' the young ones for receiving 'their honours at the hand (and mouth and dick) of allmighty ASW' ....simply by standing by and letting ASW indulge in his perversities .... WITHOUT EVER SCREAMING ALARM!!!!! Their sons are reaping it now - and ours ... !!!!!

There's not much pity for either Gunther or Wolfy (or the other shit kickers). Famous Frantz-clan proverb (loosely paraphrased): I don't give a shit about your problems, your salvation, the word of God - but now things start to affect my family -  I will pull out the finger ........ to help myself ... you can continue in your shit ...... and if I manage, I'm going to have a big dump on you, too ......... better not let a good oportunity pass to shit on someone ........

...ooops .... probably too sarcastic ..... perhaps I should repent later .....

Well, satan managed again to completely waste someone's life - since the age of 14 this 'spoiled brat boy' has been 'riding ASW's beef', been given authority, wealth and respect only because of his BIG friend - the overseer. Wake up time  - boy! He never thought something was wrong? After studying in NZ - being away from sugar daddy A'superdick'SW for 3 years? Never twigged? Go on - pull the other one .....

We all can forgive ... but we don't have to allow those weak willed, castrated, effeminate (Martin T.) , lustful, greedy, proud, ...... (can't think straight at the moment) ...... ASW's ex henchmen to affect us and families in any way shape or form anymore. Time to grow up - welcome to the real world - 20 years of making enemies and rejecting friends in the name of 'satisfying ASW's lusts and greed' ....... needs some reaping yet ......

... that was it all from the 'donkey's arse' .... sometimes even prophets better listen to it .........

 

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(Date Posted:04/11/2006 10:37 AM)

$%*'`[Andreas Duswald]%*'`@Tja - Seems as we all have been wounded very deep, but dont fprget most of us have been both guilty and unguilty, We have been teh evel ones and the hurt ones.

So it is with the men in the higher ranks of the cult. When I was in australia, i was shocked to see into the eyes of Wolfgang and G?ther. The emptiness and Sadness in them is so deep. I just dont want to stick in their shoes. I pray for thouse guys and for Scott often.

This whole affair is just a nightmare horrible to everione who is affected. And still there are some who stick into the system, this is a wounderous thing

Andy
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...hito all concerned...... an important point to consideris that these so-called'ex CAIhard liners', who're now making all the waves (3 amigos and friends) ONLY STARTED TO GET THE FINGER OUT - WHEN SCOTT STARTED TO MAKE MOVES AGAINST THEIR OWN SONS !!!!They gave all of us members/ex-members shit for years - NEVER reallyconcerned withthe Word of God, to speak and deal truthfully - as can be seen by what has been uncovered lately. NO! - .... 'The Show' had to go on for MANY YEARS... otherwise those poor (LOL) bastards couldn't feed themselves on the CAI troughs anymore.Some may claim 'limited responsibility' for little, arrogant, snotty nosed boys - being 'groomed' into big, arrogant, snotty nosed, all wise and 'anointed' homsexual pleasure slaves pastors and overseers..... such as al
..... didn't think someone would bring up points in this direction so soon ...... stuff to think about ..... system wouldn't have worked without help from people who participate - enjoy - lust after - and promote these perversities ..... pick which one they were good at ...... its easy, judging by their fruit (nothing to show forth from the holy spirit? - must have come from the (un)holy rod) ....
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...hito all concerned...... an important point to consideris that these so-called'ex CAIhard liners', who're now making all the waves (3 amigos and friends) ONLY STARTED TO GET THE FINGER OUT - WHEN SCOTT STARTED TO MAKE MOVES AGAINST THEIR OWN SONS !!!!





Wow what a message! I like it.
Sharp edged and straight to the point!
A lot of people did get fucked up over all those years!


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...hito all concerned...... an important point to consideris that these so-called'ex CAIhard liners', who're now making all the waves (3 amigos and friends) ONLY STARTED TO GET THE FINGER OUT - WHEN SCOTT STARTED TO MAKE MOVES AGAINST THEIR OWN SONS !!!!They gave all of us members/ex-members shit for years - NEVER reallyconcerned withthe Word of God, to speak and deal truthfully - as can be seen by what has been uncovered lately. NO! - .... 'The Show' had to go on for MANY YEARS... otherwise those poor (LOL) bastards couldn't feed themselves on the CAI troughs anymore.Some may claim 'limited responsibility' for little, arrogant, snotty nosed boys - being 'groomed' into big, arrogant, snotty nosed, all wise and 'anointed' homsexual pleasure slaves pastors and overseers..... such as al

 

WOW - what a message! you bring up a lot of stuff in it! love the style. agree with you on many points - I wonder where Gunther and the others were when ASW excercised his screaming skills and his moody swings on the "fussvolk". have they not sussed smth out during the glorious massage sessions?  they only stood up when it concerned THEM - sad.

is that really what you write about benny???? i know he was one of the "reformed ones", but that he was involved in THAT?!?!?!? what a shock... hope it isnt just empty words, as these allegations are heavy. is there nothing that can be done about it????

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