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(Date Posted:25/09/2005 5:44 PM)
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Has anyone any updates on the latest health situation of the Chief General overseer... Last I heard is that he had a major stroke and is currently undergoing rehabilitation.. Also since therefore ASW is not technically running the CAI because of his incapacitation, who is running the show now ??? Andrew or Michy ???anon
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(Date Posted:25/09/2005 5:44 PM)

Has anyone any updates on the latest health situation of the Chief General overseer... Last I heard is that he had a major stroke and is currently undergoing rehabilitation.. Also since therefore ASW is not technically running the CAI because of his incapacitation, who is running the show now ??? Andrew or Michy ???

 

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(Date Posted:25/09/2005 6:56 PM)

$%*'`[Anon2]%*'`@

Of course it's the mighty Michy, in all his glory. Andrew was sacked long ago, for the zillionth time, and now everyone is writing slimey messages to God's Anointed how sorry they are he had a stroke.

Ain't you just glad you're not there, in the "care" of mega nazis like Michael Krause?!??!?!?!

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(Date Posted:26/09/2005 4:22 AM)

 

Mr S is back home. Everyone is sending messages saying how they are to blame for putting too much pressure on him and for being so evil and lazy - the usual messages we hear every week. He hasnt told everyone that strokes run in his family or that he ignored the warning signs. He is letting everyone feel guilty, and everyone here is believing it.

Mr M is running it, even though he physically attacked his wife, who has left him since.

 

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(Date Posted:26/09/2005 5:06 AM)

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(Date Posted:26/09/2005 3:06 PM)

Was interested to read about Michy allegedly attacking his wife, who has now left him.

I knew his wife when I was in the CAI and have often thought of her and her "dire" situation. Does anyone have any further information on this matter?

Also, does anyone know anything else about why Andrew was sacked and what position he has now? Does he still live at Pitversie House?

Also, is it still Steve and Gunther who are in charge after Michy?

Thanks.

 

 

 

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(Date Posted:26/09/2005 6:11 PM)

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Was interested to read about Michy allegedly attacking his wife, who has now left him.I knew his wife when I was in the CAI and have often thought of her and her "dire" situation. Does anyone have any further information on this matter?Also, does anyone know anything else about why Andrew was sacked and what position he has now? Does he still live at Pitversie House?Also, is it still Steve and Gunther who are in charge after Michy?Thanks.

??? as in "giving her a good slap"  ie physically attacking or is it a case of  "telling his 'old lady' to p**s off ie verbally attacking her  ???

Strange for a man with a BA Min to be doing this sort of outrage... My Bible says that husbands are to love their wives even as Christ loved the church so this shows a poor example for the now "acting Chief General Overseer " to be displaying himself considering that a man in his position should show a character requirement of  " being above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money etc etc ..... ... but then we are talking about the highly required standards of a leader of a sound Bible based church - something that the CAI is not.

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(Date Posted:27/09/2005 2:35 AM)

Hello,

I am glad  that there are some former cai members posting on this forum!

I am also an ex- member. And S did really tell them how guilty the other members are and that it was their fault that he had a stroke?? Well, it is typical for him.

And Michy? wife really left him? When was that, because I heard some time ago, that his wife had left him, but then returned. Has she now left forever?

 

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(Date Posted:27/09/2005 9:44 AM)

I doubt that S has told anyone it is their fault - rather the pastors will have passed on how 'loving' and 'caring' Scott is and how everyone else falls short. The guilt trip is inbuilt into members... but I doubt that S or the senior pastors are telling people that it isn't their fault either.. most situations are left if they are conveniently manipulative.

 

I heard that M's wife has left him just recently and left the CAI too

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(Date Posted:27/09/2005 10:19 PM)

Don? Michy and his wife have children? What about them? Are they forced to stay with Michy ?
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(Date Posted:27/09/2005 10:53 PM)

$%*'`[Anon2]%*'`@GOD FORBID!
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(Date Posted:28/09/2005 2:59 PM)

Does anybody know what will happen with the children? I pray for them.

 

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(Date Posted:28/09/2005 11:10 PM)

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Was interested to read about Michy allegedly attacking his wife, who has now left him.I knew his wife when I was in the CAI and have often thought of her and her "dire" situation. Does anyone have any further information on this matter?Also, does anyone know anything else about why Andrew was sacked and what position he has now? Does he still live at Pitversie House?Also, is it still Steve and Gunther who are in charge after Michy?Thanks.

  Where did you guys hear this?  I find it hard to believe.

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(Date Posted:28/09/2005 11:11 PM)

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I doubt that S has told anyone it is their fault - rather the pastors will have passed on how 'loving' and 'caring' Scott is and how everyone else falls short. The guilt trip is inbuilt into members... but I doubt that S or the senior pastors are telling people that it isn't their fault either.. most situations are left if they are conveniently manipulative.I heard that M's wife has left him just recently and left the CAI too

  What you guys describe on this website is completely contrary to what I have seen in the Assemblies.  I'm pretty new though.

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(Date Posted:29/09/2005 7:46 AM)

What is written here is from our own experiences. I have personally witnessed a lot of manipulation and abuse of members, and been the victim at times as well.

 

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(Date Posted:29/09/2005 7:50 AM)

$%*'`[anon!]%*'`@

 

I heard the news about MW attacking his wife directly from Coffs harbour.

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(Date Posted:30/09/2005 12:10 AM)

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Somebody - if you are in the assemblies, yes it will all seem contrary because you're new.

 You will be love bombed for 6 months - told how much everyone loves and cares for you (unlike the world), here in the CAI you can learn so many skills, we'll even teach you how to deal with your money, we all go on holiday every year with each other because we all love each other so much, we're so different from your evil heathen friends/family. After 6 months you will have sold your soul. You will also probably be used as an example to the old dead bastard CAIers, because you are young and fiery, reading all the books and have lots of questions.

 

And in 6 months to a year you will just be another piece of shit for Scott Williams to do with what he will. By then you will have given him your heart (not God) and you will be giving him lots of your money too, and you will not even realise it.....that's the way cults work. Get out now before it's too late!

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(Date Posted:30/09/2005 11:41 PM)

Does anybody know something if ASW is still in hospital or is he already out of it?
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(Date Posted:30/09/2005 11:43 PM)

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Does anybody know something if ASW is still in hospital or is he already out of it?

 

Sorry, Anonymous already wrote that he is back home.

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What is schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia is one of the most chronic and disabling of the mental illnesses. Contrary to common misconceptions, having schizophrenia does not lead to a 'split personality, nor is the illness caused by bad upbringing, personal weakness, or laziness. Schizophrenia is a disease with a physical cause, like cancer or heart disease. The term probably describes a collection of several diseases, rather than one single condition. The signs, symptoms and severity of schizophrenia vary widely from patient to patient, and so no single definition of schizophrenia holds true for all patients.

In general during an acute schizophrenic episode, a patient is unable to separate real from unreal experiences. In paranoid schizophrenia , patients experience hallucinations and delusions. Patients with disorganised schizophrenia, on the other hand, are difficult to understand - their speech can become incomprehensible and their behaviour is often inappropriate or bizarre.

Schizophrenia is manageable with treatment, but the illness can severely disrupt work and social life and often affects patients for the rest of their lives. People with schizophrenia often have difficulty functioning in society; some people find making and maintaining friendships virtually impossible, and many are unable to work. The high unemployment among people with schizophrenia has profound economic implications; in the UK alone the annual indirect costs of schizophrenia due to lost production is ?.7billion.


Who gets schizophrenia?

Approximately 1% of the population will have schizophrenia at some point in their lives. Usually the illness develops in late adolescence, when people reach their early twenties, but schizophrenia can develop in later life, and children as young as nine have suffered from the condition.

Schizophrenia is inheritable to some degree. In many cases people with schizophrenia have a brother, sister or parent with the condition as well. Family members also often have to help out financially and make sure that medicine is taken.

      Chances of Developing Schizophrenia
      General population                             1%
      Brother or sister has schizophrenia      8%
      One parent has schizophrenia            12%
      Fraternal twin has schizophrenia        14%
      Both parents have schizophrenia        39%
      Identical twin has schizophrenia         47%

What are the signs and symptoms of schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia reveals itself gradually. At first, the symptoms may not be noticed or may be confused with those of other conditions. For example, people with schizophrenia may feel tense, be unable to concentrate or have trouble sleeping. They often become increasingly isolated and withdrawn as their grip on reality loosens. They do not make or keep friends. They may stop caring about the way they look. Dropping out of college having problems at work are other early signs of schizophrenia.

During an acute schizophrenic episode, a patient is described as 'psychotic', meaning out of touch with reality or unable to separate real from unreal experiences. Characteristic symptoms of psychosis can be split into two groups:

POSITIVE (abnormal thoughts and perceptions)

  • Disordered thinking: Thoughts 'jump' between completely unrelated topics or may be 'blocked'. The person may talk nonsense, make up words, or replace words with sounds and rhymes.
     
  • Delusions: False beliefs or thoughts with no basis in reality. For example, people may hold the belief that someone from the house next door is trying to control the patient's thoughts or feelings.
     
  • Hallucinations: Hearing, seeing, or feeling things that are not there. People with schizophrenia may hear voices that may comment on their behaviour or give them commands.

NEGATIVE (loss or decrease of normal functions)

  • Blunted (or flat) affect: Lacking awareness of other people's feelings. The person with schizophrenia does not show feelings or emotions facially. The face looks 'blank' compared with the face of someone without the illness. The person with schizophrenia avoids eye contact and makes few gestures or movements. He or she does not respond to normal conversation and in severe cases, the person may become nearly motionless ( catatonia).
     
  • Avolition: Lacking energy, spontaneity or initiative.
     
  • Anhedonia: Lacking pleasure or interest in activities that were once enjoyable.
     
  • Attention deficit: Difficulty in concentrating.

For further information on European and US diagnosis guidelines for schizophrenia, check out Internet mental health.


Do people recover from schizophrenia?

Although a few people completely recover after a single schizophrenic episode, schizophrenia is usually a lifelong disease, like diabetes. Data from different studies for remission or recovery rates from schizophrenia are conflicting but suggest that around 20% will recover completely.

Schizophrenia is not curable. Some of the symptoms can be managed, however, with a combination of drug and psychological therapies.

Is it important to diagnose and treat schizophrenia as early as possible?

Yes. Research shows that if schizophrenia is detected and treated early, patients have a better chance of responding to medication and the chance of suffering a relapse is decreased. Suicide is less common in people treated in the early years of their illness. It is a significant problem in people with schizophrenia; 13% of people with schizophrenia take their own lives.

EPPIC, The Early Psychosis Prevention and Intervention Centre contains information about early detection and treatment of psychosis


What treatments are available for schizophrenia?

People diagnosed with schizophrenia are nearly always treated with a course of drugs, or antipsychotics, and many people continue on this therapy for the rest of their lives.

1. Psychological therapy:
Cognitive behavioural therapy can help people with schizophrenia build the skills they need to function outside the sheltered setting of a hospital in ordinary life (money management, cooking and personal grooming, for example). They may also prepare the person to go or return to work. Individual psychotherapy may help persons with schizophrenia learn to sort out the real from the unreal. Group therapy may help them learn to get along with others. Self-help groups may help persons with schizophrenia (and family members) feel that others share their problems.

Family work can ensure that family members, who often care for their relatives, understand the disease and its treatment. Families and other people in the community need to provide support for persons with schizophrenia coming out of the hospital. Family members are also taught to watch for signs of relapse.

2. Drug therapy
Typical antipsychotics, sometimes referred to as neuroleptics or conventional antipsychotics, such as haloperidol, have been used to treat patients with schizophrenia for about thirty years. While these are effective in about 70% of patients, they do not treat all the symptoms of schizophrenia. Patients often find that delusions and hallucinations decrease but cognitive problems remain; planning activities, communication and remembering information and can still be difficult and some patients remain socially withdrawn. In addition, typical antipsychotics frequently cause unpleasant movement disorders, such as muscle spasm or tremor.

Atypical antipsychotics have been introduced more recently as treatments for schizophrenia. These act in different ways to typical drugs, and do not cause the same unpleasant side-effects. Atypical drugs may improve cognitive symptoms and social withdrawal associated with schizophrenia and in studies, they were effective in some patients resistant to typical antipsychotic drugs. The atypical drugs currently available in the UK are listed below.

Useful sources of information

  • Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV. USA: American Psychiatric Press Inc, 1994 (fourth edition of American Psychiatric Association diagnosis guidelines.)
  • Tsuang, M.T. and Faraone, S.V. Schizophrenia: the facts. Second edition, Oxford: Oxford Medical Publications, 1997
  • Fuller Torrey, E. Surviving Schizophrenia: A manual for families, consumers and providers. Third Edition, New York: HarperCollins, 1996

Jessica Sheringham, Website Editor, Institute of Psychiatry
May 1999

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(Date Posted:08/10/2005 8:49 AM)

In CAI they don? care about people. The only thing the leader there think of is power and maybe some money too. He wants to achieve his political goal only, I think, the goal about British Israel and that kind of weird power that this colonial politic has had in Australia, South-Africa, New Zealand, USA and so on. If some people gets hurt  when they in CAI struggle for this goal they in CAI don? care about. The environment politic in USA and Australia, this is one example anyway, they use big cars, trucks, for example and pollute most CO2 in the air, which I think affects the climate on the whole earth. I think USA and maybe Australia are the worst countries in the world CO2/capita per year. We have to save the world, not to destroy it by polluting our environment and the whole climate will be changed, in for example New Orleans, Texas, the ozon-layer, now storms in Central-America, record-heath in the Mediterian-area for example. They are not Christians in CAI. Christians care about people, helps them and are positive persons. In CAI they harass people, they tries to destroy peoples lives and they are negative. That silly leaders of CAI. they beat children and women and harass their poor opponents who can? stand that they treat people so bad as they do in CAI, these persons who has left CAI is normal people. But CAI bullies them and blame them and put terrible names after them. They who do this in CAI are cowardly and weak people. They are mad-mans.
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Never trust a man who beats a woman - according to the matter with Michy.
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(Date Posted:15/10/2005 5:39 AM)

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Never trust a man who beats a woman - according to the matter with Michy.
Through the thorough education and disciplined training he received at the Royal Military College, Duntroon, and the Church of England Boy's Grammar School, both in Canberra, the Lord began to prepare Scott for doing His Work. This is one reason why these C.A.I. assemblies are disciplined and orderly, not having anything in common with the looseness and 'lawlessness' seen in many of the so-called Charismatic church moves of late.
 
 Life in Germany for Scott and Ree had been very lonely, as links with the 'home group' in Australia had broken down when the work disintegrated there due to extremism in teaching and a distinct lack of love and compassion. Close and personal fellowship ceased in the Australian work after 'anti-social' teaching was introduced whereby the brethren were discouraged from socialising with each other, based on a false understanding of 1. JOHN 1:3. The ?negativeness' of those days has perhaps led to the strong emphasis on family values and friendships seen in the C.A.I. these days. We are a close-knit family.
 
od 'sets the solitary in families' (PSALM 68:6), and in recent years He has given Scott and Ree a beloved 'adopted/Bundschaft' son in Michy, with his wife Jo and wonderful grandchildren, Jonathan & Priscilla; and another faithful covenant friend in G?thy. Michy is now senior pastor and G?ther, a pastor.
 
 
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Reply to : AnonymousNever trust a man who beats a woman - according to the matter with Michy.Through the thorough education and disciplined training he received at the Royal Military College, Duntroon, and the Church of England Boy's Grammar School, both in Canberra, the Lord began to prepare Scott for doing His Work. This is one reason why these C.A.I. assemblies are disciplined and orderly, not having anything in common with the looseness and 'lawlessness' seen in many of the so-called Charismatic church moves of late.Life in Germany for Scott and Ree had been very lonely, as links with the 'home group' in Australia had broken down when the work disintegrated there due to extremism in teaching and a distinct lack of love and compassion. Close and personal fellowship ceased in the Australian work after 'anti-social' teaching was introduced whereby the brethren were discouraged from socialising with each other, based on a false understanding of 1. JOHN 1:3. The ?negativeness' of those days has perhaps led to the strong emphasis on family values and friendships seen in the C.A.I. these days. We are a close-knit family.
 
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LOL I remember being told to think that way, and actually believeing it.. how deluded I was.  The Assembly abuses scripture, takes them out of context and is run like an army, NOT a church. Friends and spouses are taught to accuse, betray and tell on one another and trusting anyone except 'the oversight' is not possible!

Yes, S+R may have been lonely, but so are many people and so are many in the CAI who have been "advised" ie told to move across the world. The Assembly is not a family - it is a cult with an unhealthy sense of pride in itself and an elitist attitude. It is very dangerous and every year many hurt and damaged people leave because they see it is not of God. People learn to fear, not trust, and idolise men, and strive to be like other men/ women, ie S, R and M.  Arent people supposed to be like Jesus, and who are they to say that they are more like Jesus than the lay people?

Here is a quote from a cult resourse. See if this is a description of a beloved, close knit, God led family, or a description of the CAI:

How They Do This

  1. Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God.
  2. They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance regarding the Christian church while at the same time praising and exalting their own group, leader/s and work.
  3. They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members loyal to their ranks. This could be in the form of threats of dire calamity sent by God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon; being shunned by their family and friends etc. This is a vital part of the mind control process.
  4. Members will be expected to give substantial financial support to the group. This could be compulsory tithing (which is checked); signing over all their property on entering the group; coercive methods of instilling guilt on those who have not contributed; selling magazines, flowers or other goods for the group as part of their "ministry".

    At the same time bible-based cults may ridicule churches that take up free-will offerings by passing collection plates and/or sell literature and tapes. They usually brag that they don't do this. This gives outsiders the intimation that they are not interested in money.

  5. There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings. The lives of members will be totally absorbed into the group's activities. They will have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the mind control process.
  6. There will be total control over almost all aspects of the private lives of members. This control can be direct through communal living, or constant and repetitious teaching on "how to be a true Christian" or "being obedient to leadership". Members will look to their leaders for guidance in everything they do.
  7. Bible-based cults may proclaim they have no clergy/laity distinction and no paid ministry class - that they are all equal.
  8. Any dissent or questioning of the group's teachings is discouraged. Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be an emphasis on authority, unquestioning obedience and submission. This is vigilantly maintained.
  9. Members are required to demonstrate their loyalty to the group in some way. This could be in the form of "dobbing" on fellow members (including family) under the guise of looking out for their "spiritual welfare". They may be required to deliberately lie (heavenly deception) or give up their lives by refusing some form of medical treatment.
  10. Attempts to leave or reveal embarrassing facts about the group may be met with threats. Some may have taken oaths of loyalty that involve their lives or have signed a "covenant" and feel threatened by this.

    Refugees of the group are usually faced with confrontations by other members with coercion to get them to return to the group.

Some Abuses Of Rights And Freedoms:-

1. Abuse Of Individuality: They adopt a "groupness" mentality. They are not permitted to think for themselves apart from the group and only accept what they are told.

2. Abuse Of Intimacy: Relationships with friends, relatives, spouses, children, parents etc are broken or seriously hampered.

3. Abuse Of Finances: Pressure to give all you can to the group. In non-communal groups, members usually live at the lower socio-economic strata, not because of a lower income level, but because they are always giving money to the group for some reason.

4. "Us Versus Them" Mentality: Isolation from the community in general. Anyone and everything outside the group is seen as "of the devil" or "unenlightened" etc. Their enemies now include former friends; the Christian church; governments; education systems; the media - the world in general. Those who are involved with these in any way see such involvement as a "means to an end".

5. Abuse Of Time And Energy: The group controls and uses almost all the members time and energy in group activities. They are usually in a constant state of mental and physical exhaustion.

6. Abuse Of Free Will: They must unquestioning submit to the groups teachings and directions and their own free will is broken. Their "will" actually becomes the groups "will" without their realizing it. This is done either by coercive methods including low protein diets and lack of sleep, or over a period of time through intimidation. Both methods make heavy use of "guilt".

Need I say more?

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Reply to : AnonymousNever trust a man who beats a woman - according to the matter with Michy.Through the thorough education and disciplined training he received at the Royal Military College, Duntroon, and the Church of England Boy's Grammar School, both in Canberra, the Lord began to prepare Scott for doing His Work. This is one reason why these C.A.I. assemblies are disciplined and orderly, not having anything in common with the looseness and 'lawlessness' seen in many of the so-called Charismatic church moves of late.Life in Germany for Scott and Ree had been very lonely, as links with the 'home group' in Australia had broken down when the wo

Are you a member of the CAI? And for how long have you been in this assembly?

 

I have been there for a few months. And everything Anonymous has written about the abuses of rights and freedom is true. At first you don? realize. But you may not realize but slowly you will get psychologically and emotionally dependent on them. I was fascinated by the miracles and testimonies they told me and I wanted to experience this also. So I did everything they said.  I thought I it had to be this way because if I did not do it like they wanted it, then I would not obey the Lord.  There are so many things and rules you have to fulfill. You have little spare time, have to give 10% of your income to the assembly, you are not allowed to make mistakes and so on. There are many things! And after some time I noticed all this, but I thought it had all to be that way because otherwise I would not be saved, no miracles etc...

No matter how silly things are, the leaders and above all S. will interpret the scriptures just as it suits them!

And if you start to think for your own, or have another opinion then they tell you that you don? want to give your old life away, that you should not rely on your own thoughts but on the Lord?. But these things are not from God, they are Scott? silly commandments!

 

Well, discipline and order is ok, but where is LOVE?. I did not see that in CAI. I saw stressed people, I feared to make mistakes... Without love discipline and order is worthless.

 

Luckily I was able to get out of the Assembly before they could destroy my life, luckily I don? suffer from any consequences, because I was in only for short time.

 

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(Date Posted:17/10/2005 2:52 AM)

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Well, discipline and order is ok,

Perhaps discipline and order ARE ok...but where does Scott get his authority to impose his discipline and order upon other people? 

When you stop to think about it, Scott is just a person.  The same as anyone else.  What is to stop ANYONE from setting up a church based group and claiming to be the general overseer?  Nothing.  He did it and so can anyone else.

So, he has a title and followers, but that doesn't mean he has any genuine authority from God.  Just because someone claims to have authority does not mean their authority is legitimate.  Scott (and Lloyd and Noel too for that matter) is a usurper.  He robs you of any personal/indiviual authority and replaces it with his own.  But that is all it is...his own, not God's. 

When you really break it down, Scott is just a pasty, manipulative, scared little man who is good at convincing people that he is more than he actually is.  He's a real chip off the old Revival Centre block.

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Are you a member of the CAI? And for how long have you been in this assembly?


 

No I am not... My "association" with this group lasted about 2 months..  What you read was a cut and paste from the CAI website (Don't worry I know how to get around the javascript and disable their "no right click" script - too easy!!)  ... It was good though to see your reaction to the statement was the same as mine when I read it too LOL   Don't worry I have many more things to say in future posts about many other things I did get to see during my 'association'

As Mr Jonah said Scott is a "chip of the old RCI block" :

quote:  He went along with Ken to a meeting of the Revival Centre at the Ballarat Aerodrome, where Pastor Noel Hollins of Geelong laid hands on him and he received the infilling of The Holy Spirit, and was baptised that night by Pastor Lloyd Longfield from Melbourne:

Hence you see the RCI connection with all its theological fallacies such as British Israel. Did you know that they (ie the CAI) even distribute "God's Great Week" wall posters to CAI members to hang on their loungeroom walls and sing choruses out of RCI chorus lists ??? ..... yep the CAI are an RCI paradigm with a strict military regime and yes like the RCI they do do lack love in every aspect of what they do. They are indeed "wells without water"

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Does anybody know any news about S.W.? Is he still leading the Assembly after his stroke?

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Hi Freelady,

Are you still going to the Catholic church? If so, do you pray to Mary and why?

 

Anon.

 

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ooooooooohh,  you biatch!!

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Hi anonymous who demonize the Catholic Church!

Do you really think that God would take Australia from the Aborigines and force the Aborigines not to be welcomed in their own land. British Israel in the CAI-way, that Australia, the British colonies in Africa, India, New Zealand and so on really were given by God to the British Culture is nothing else than White Power arrogans that not belong in today societies. You only, or your weak leaders really only, want to have power and rule over other innocent native people. BI in the CAI-way is nothing else then, the result is, a racist and Fascist ideology. Why shall the British, who took colonies by force from the native people rule over them. Do you really think that this CAI-ideology is from God? No, it can? be. Let all people live in peace now. Why do you want to fight poor and helpless people? BI in the CAI-way anyway stinks. You misled people. 

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I'm sorry, but my post was to freelady. I was wondering how she could go against what the CAI teach as being unbiblical, yet go along with the Catholic church that  prays to Mary, saints etc.

Just curious. Thats all.

Oh - and by the way - why would God tell Israel in the OT that only they were His people, and that if anyone else wanted to follow God they should be circumsised, and obey all the laws of Israel. Was God racist?

 

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Hi Freelady,Are you still going to the Catholic church? If so, do you pray to Mary and why?Anon.

Hi Anon,

 

I sometimes ask Mary to pray WITH me, I ask her to pray for me the same way as I ask people here on earth to pray for me. You can always pray directly to God, it? not necessary to ask somebody. But sometimes, I ask somebody to pray for me to the Lord Jesus Christ. HE is always the goal, Catholics don? adore Mary ( this would be wrong, as there is only one saviour JESUS CHRIST!!!), they just ask her to help praying.

 

Mary has born the saviour Jesus Christ, read Luke chapter 1, she laid everything in God? hand, trusted him fully from the beginning, when the Angel Gabriel came to her and told her that she was expecting a child ( remember Mary was not married, and expected a child, who is not her future husband?!). And what? more, the angel tells her that he is the son of God!

She trusted God until the end, even when her son was crucified, she stood  humbly under the cross.

We can follow Mary? example by trying to be as faithful and dem?ig and fulfill God? will as she did.

Also remember the wedding of Kana, where Mary said: Do what HE tells you. That? the crucial point: Mary is pointing at her son, HE is the goal, so the worship of Mary always must have Jesus as its goal!! We ask her to pray for us to her son ( as I mentioned before it is not obligatory, by no means! But it? not wrong to ask the mother of Jesus to help with praying!)

 

The catholic church does not say you HAVE to ask her to pray for you, or to pray the rosary etc. If you don? want to , then don?! The catholic position is the following: It? good and not wrong to ask Mary, the mother of Jesus to pray, but the church does not force you to do it! It? up to you if you pray the rosary three times a day, or a month or a year or not at all. Some people have a more close relationship to Mary than others. The point is that the goal always has to be Jesus christ, he is the saviour!

 

I hope that the whole matter has become clearer to you. Sorry about my English, it normally is better, but  I have difficulties in expressing myself on a forum.

 

By the way, do u know who I am? Where from? Are you in CAI?

 

Lots of greetings,

 

Freelady

 

 

 

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I'm sorry, but my post was to freelady. I was wondering how she could go against what the CAI teach as being unbiblical, yet go along with the Catholic church that prays to Mary, saints etc.Just curious. Thats all.Oh - and by the way - why would God tell Israel in the OT that only they were His people, and that if anyone else wanted to follow God they should be circumsised, and obey all the laws of Israel. Was God racist?

God has sent his son Jesus Christ to save the people. But this applies to ALL the people.  Laws like having to be circumsised are no longer obligatory that is clearly in the New Testament! The belief in Jesus Christ is the most important thing, and will save you. Of course you also have to do what he says, i.e. to love your next and so on.  But as I said having to be circumsised is no longer necessary. As you can see in the New Testament, there were Jews who became Christians and Heathens ( like the Apostle Paul) and the apostles debated about wheater the Heathens who wanted to become Christians had to be circumsised and the result was no!

Yes, God at first chose the people of Israel to be his people but then ( as Jesaja and others prophesized) sent his son Jesus Christ to save the world- through his death he took the sins of ALL people away and everybody can enter the gates of heaven- no matter if you are  British, German, Russian, Australian? French or whatever.

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do you have to have a pop at Britian every other day on this forum??  I could fall asleep with that crap!

If you cast your mind back a couple of hundred years, when there were few borders drawn, and still an undiscovered world = empires grew.  the Dutch had an empire, the Portuguese had an 'empire', the Germans had an 'empire', the Spanish had an empire, the British had an empire, the French had an empire, etc etc etc..............

everybody else and his brother would've also had an empire if they'd had the opportunity.  

somebody was always going to map out the planet and get the ball rolling, and that was naturally mainly taken up by sea faring people like the Dutch, British, Portuguese etc not long after they learned how to properly float stuff. 

lessons had to be learned about how to treat people, but I think they were learned over time, and that is something in itself. 

if you want to be grumpy about empire building, what about more recent history and having a go at the germans?  i know it's not really very fashonable, but come on?  at least they were just plain honest and came right out with it, that they wanted to have a planet called Germany.  thankfully some of us weren't as keen on the idea!

sorry, you can say whatever you like, but 'the english' gave the world far more good than bad through their former empire.   

I agree that CAI takes things to an extreme, and I can understand why people who have been in CAI will feel like they've had a belly full of it.  however, I think Britain is the dogs bollocks and I'd rather you kept the two issues separate thanks!

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do you have to have a pop at Britian every other day on this forum?? I could fall asleep with that crap!If you cast your mind back a couple of hundred years, when therewere few borders drawn, and still an undiscovered world = empires grew. the Dutch had an empire, the Portuguese had an 'empire', the Germans had an 'empire', the Spanish had an empire, the British had an empire, the French had an empire, etc etc etc..............everybody else and his brother would've also had an empire if they'd had the opportunity.somebody was always going to map out the planet and get the ball rolling, and that was naturally mainlytaken up by sea faringpeople like the Dutch, British, Portuguese etc not long afterthey learned how to properly float stuff.lessons had to be learned ab

I agree with you, other countries also had empires, wanted to rule the world like Britain and so on. But other countries also did GOOD things LIKE Britain. Yes we all know dark sides of Germany? history, but we should not forget the good things! Martin Luther was German, without him there would not have been the Reformation. Germany has a lot of good writers, musicians ( think of Beethoven, Bach...).

The crucial point is that every country has its good and bad sides- and therefore no country can proclaim itself to be God? chosen people!

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The relationship between God and Israel was a Covenantal relationship based on commandments and precepts... The conditions of blessing for obedience and cursing for disobedience to the covenant are carefully laid out in Deuteronomy 28... There is no indication of racism shown here and this relationship was completely dependant upon obedience to the stipulated covenant. By accepting and obeying this covenant, the Israelites became partakers of the "Kingdom of God" with the High Priest of the tribe of Levi acting as the mediator on behalf of the Israel people. This covenant became known as the Law and it then became a binding agreement between Yahweh and the Israelite peoples  who were descendant from Jacob and his two wives and two mistresses.... The so called "British Israel" theory as seen in this light of "covenant" agreement therefore has no validity or function. When best considered, the British don't rate as ever being a partaker, regardless of whether they are descendant of the Israel peoples or not, of any entitlement of any blessing since there is no availability of the High Priest of the Tribe of Levi to  administer their entry into the Blessings as a nation into the Kingdom of God ..     All people now have to be "grafted into the Vine ( ie The Kingdom of God)" by the only available High Priest who is Jesus now seated at the right hand of God and who has paid for this availability with His own blood.
 
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Hi Freelady,

 

Thanks for the explanation. Though I was wondering where it says in the Bible that we can pray to Mary to intercede on our behalf? Could you show me that please? And while you are at it, perhaps you can show me where it says that Mary ascended bodily into heaven? And that she never sinned? That would be great thanks. I mean, the Catholic church is based on the Bible, right?

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Hi Anon,

Why did God choose Israel in the first place? Why not make it an "open invitation" right from the start? Considering how entire nations in the OT had to be wiped out (man, woman & child) - the Bible seems VERY racial to me indeed. So why did God choose to exalt one race above all others? Seems a bit exclusive, would you not agree? OT times either you were of Israel, or you were not following God. What do you think?

Anon.

 

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Does anybody know any news about S.W.? Is he still leading the Assembly after his stroke?

 

I heard that he has given leadership over to Michy

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Hi Anon,Why did God choose Israel in the first place? Why not make it an "open invitation" right from the start? Considering how entire nations in the OT had to be wiped out (man, woman & child) - the Bible seems VERY racial to me indeed. So why did God choose to exalt one race above all others? Seems a bit exclusive, would you not agree? OT times either you were of Israel, or you were not following God. What do you think?Anon.

That is because you need to understand that the Israelites were a "people" not a race... You need to grab a good dictionary and a good library perhaps and take a closer look at what you think the term "race" means... After all what are you referring to ?? white races, black races, European races, Negroid races ??? Where does it say in the Bible that the Israelites were a "race" of any kind. Perhaps you could do a little research into the historical settings of the Middle East and try and search out what ethnic differences existed at that time. Then you will discover that there was not really any racial difference at all among all the Middle Eastern peoples. All had dark olive skins, all lived in tents, all rode donkeys and camels, all planted crops to eat and all were basically semitic...  My concordance shows that where the word "race" exists it refers to a running sport event but nothing to do with ethnicity or culture or color of skin and the word "racial" is not found in the Bible.

So why did God choose to exalt one race above all others?

I would not claim that being carried away by ones enemies into slavary by the Babylonians or having the entire male offspring of a King of Israel castrated to serve as eunuchs in the Harem of the court of the King of Babylon as being "exalted above all others"... I would see that as humbling rather than exalting a people.. I think you need to realize that God never "exalted" anyone in the Bible "above all others" except His son Jesus...

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Hi Anon,Why did God choose Israel in the first place? Why not make it an "open invitation" right from the start? Considering how entire nations in the OT had to be wiped out (man, woman & child) - the Bible seems VERY racial to me indeed. So why did God choose to exalt one race above all others? Seems a bit exclusive, would you not agree? OT times either you were of Israel, or you were not following God. What do you think?Anon.





well, a more accurate answer would be... good point... why don't more people ask more questions like this about the bible... i don't even know for sure, but let me guess... it was written by israelites? well, as you can see, the bible is in the middle of all sorts of exclusivity and it is obvious, just listening to all these christians speak.

there is all sorts of moral teaching in it, but people can't help but be legalistic and self-righteous.

ok, thanks for letting me trespass on this thread's territory... it was under 'today' and it had already deviated from the initial topic... but, just to let you know... keep asking these types of questions... the truth will set you free... but on the way, you might get caught up in semantics and distracted by logical fallacies which are rehearsed defence-mechanisms. blah blah blah bitch bitch bitch...
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The British invasion of Australia and their genocide of the native Aborigines were, and are, awful. The British, has through the history, not been better than the Germans, the French, the Dutch and so on. But CAI says the opposite thing. They think it? good that the British took Australia, colonies in Africa and India, for example. CAI are against the Aborigines for example, because CAI is against a multicultural society, CAI is only for the British. The Aborigines lived in Australia several thousands of years before the British invade the country. This is the truth, if you listen to normal people and not the racists in CAI.
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I sometimes ask Mary to pray WITH me, I ask her to pray for me the same way as I ask people here on earth to pray for me.




OK, my theological knowledge may not be all that, but I grow up in Rome, and always regarded talking to Mary as pretty messed up - she's dead isn't she?
Does this not sort of fly in the face of another post viz. "Martin Luther was German, without him there would not have been the Reformation" - which was pretty much against the Pope, was it not - I did read history.

You are a catholic that speaks in tounges? To Mary?

Man, now that really is interesting. I have really to read some more - please tell me where I can read up on this stuff?

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You are a catholic that speaks in tounges? To Mary?Man, now that really is interesting. I have really to read some more - please tell me where I can read up on this stuff?

My mother is a devout Catholic that speaks in tongues. She leads a catholic movement in our area which is part of the Charasmatic Catholics. She annoys the crap out of me but I am a lot less judgemental since leaving the Revivals. Her group is sort of like a secret service faction within the Catholic ranks and I'm told their numbers are increasing exponentially worldwide. She and her cronies are a very devoted bunch of people (mostly over 50s) who pray in tongues and get very pentecostal, all the while trying to convert the unenlightened members of the wider church into their Monday night gatherings. They love the Pope, but don't pray to Mary... The love the Sunday traditions and rituals and revere their priests like demi-gods. There are so many oxymorons in this paragraph that I don't know where to begin.

There's a surprising amount of liberty given to Catholics and the more I talk to them the more open minded they seem to be becoming.  It's a funny little mess though. I think I myself resent Catholicism a little primarily because I was co-erced into wearing a dress while alterboying for so many years. Luckily I avoided developing pleasure in wearing such dresses... although I have to admit they were very comfortable.

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I had a friend who was a Charismatic Catholic.  He spoke in tongues.  At school were were comrades in a sense.  He respected me because I was serious about my religion and i respected him because he spoke in tongues (I was still in the RCI).

He was dux of the school, got the marks to get into pre-med, was on the road to becoming a priest and then he developed schizophrenia and after believing himself to be possessed by Jim Morrison (of The Doors) and a brief stint as a male prostitute, he hung himself from the clothes line in his parents' backyard.

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I was co-erced into wearing a dress while alterboying for so many years. Luckily I avoided developing pleasure in wearing such dresses...




Else you may have been a little more excepting of gay pleasures? And not been so hard on the niceties of man gegen man? I mean, what's wrong with enjoying wearing little white numbers (Friday night already ?)

Or was it me that was a bit stupid (SOME MIGHT SHOUT A LOT STUPID) towards men who love men physically?

Don't want to be a pain in the bum here (no double entendre intendre) but I was hoping for someone to explain how I can ask Mary to pray for me, as I thought she was dead. My mother was also a catholic, but did not really try to ram it down my throat (no double entendre intendre) - she tried getting me to go to mass a few times, but I hid up in the attick.

So, I would love to show my mother that she should not be talking to Mary at all, as Mary is dead. Any help on this ?

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At school were were comrades in a sense.



In a gay sense, a military sense, a martial sense, or just a sense?


...was on the road to becoming a priest and then he developed schizophrenia and after believing himself to be possessed by Jim Morrison (of The Doors) and a brief stint as a male prostitute, he hung himself from the clothes line in his parents' backyard.





If the above is true, it is utterly sad :-(

However, if it is just an attemp to rival my somewhat silly imagination, then it is utterly hilarious :-)

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Don't want to be a pain in the bum here (no double entendre intendre) but I was hoping for someone to explain how I can ask Mary to pray for me, as I thought she was dead. My mother was also a catholic, but did not really try to ram it down my throat (no double entendre intendre) - she tried getting me to go to mass a few times, but I hid up in the attick.

Okay okay.. sheessh.. you're so demanding - lol... I was just setting the stage. I just wanted to say that I've developed some respect for the beliefs of my mother and her Mary-loving friends. Everyone's got their right to interpreting the bible however they like... some are just a little nuttier than others, in my opinion. I'm sure Mary was a top chick, but yeah she's very dead. I myself don't believe that she's floating around the cosmos relaying messages onto Jesus. Some people find Jesus a bit intimidating to send prayer requests to so they go through his mum hoping that being a female she will be more sympathetic to their needs and put in a good word.

Freelady has already clearly written her views on prayer with Mary earlier on in this thread... and that's good for her.

But...

I suppose it hinges on whether you believe various souls are allowed to roam around and get super powers after they die.. like saints or Mary and stuff... or whether you believe all souls are sleeping until judgement day. I think there's enough scriptures to go with the latter, but I've seen people manipulate them successfully to say otherwise. Do souls even exist at all? I hope I don't have to blow the dust off this thing and actually do the scripture dance to sell any idea? Please don't make me.

What does the bible say about ghosts.. you'll have to start up a new thread if you want to go there.

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...whether you believe various souls are allowed to roam around and get super powers after they die




Utter brilliance - I would love to be roaming around, sort of supernatural cruising as it were. Would make sense of the feeling of differance that I have always had (although that could be a leftover from all the pot I used to smoke, which might also explain the feeling of supernatural powers, which also never actually materialized)

So, if Mary IS still "floating around" then she is also to blame for all the shit that is happening? There must be some rules to all this supernatural cruising of course

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Utter brilliance - I would love to be roaming around, sort of supernatural cruising as it were. Would make sense of the feeling of differance that I have always had (although that could be a leftover from all the pot I used to smoke, which might also explain the feeling of supernatural powers, which also never actually materialized)So, if Mary IS still "floating around" then she is also to blame for all the shit that is happening? There must be some rules to all this supernatural cruising of courseAnon of Course

Demons, saints, angels and ghosts

According to most christian based beliefs there are many super-powered spiritual beings roaming around us and moving in between their universe and our universe. Sounds like great science fiction to me. Great premise for big movies or tv series, but unfortunately real life is just that... boring though that may seem. Even our kids work out there is no Santa Claus... or someone lets them in on it.

Let's say they're right. Let's say that there are angels and saints busy working for God. That means they're not doing a great job, because there's pain and misery everywhere and they hardly seem to be lifing a finger to do anything about it. Even Superman and Batman would try to make some impact. Some of the blame has to be shared out to all the superspirits who just aren't cutting the mustard.

My apologies for the following generalisations.. please correct me as anyone sees fit:

Catholics - Apart from the tri-une God (Father, Spirit and the kid) there are numerous Saints to pray to and angels of many ranks to depend on in an emergancy. God is a great one for delegation it seems and has stuff going on everywhere in the minds of Catholics.

In contrast, the Revivals - Haven't quite worked out where they stand on the Trinity, except to call it a mystery and move on. They do not believe Mary is in any position at all to take anyone's calls. Boy! Will she have a busy message bank when she's up and at them. They do not believe in roaming souls or wandering saints. They really aren't too sure if there's such a thing as angels. They believe in them but aren't sure if they're actually hovering above our shoulders waiting for emergencies to intervene in. They believe the Holy Spirit resides in them individually, and that's more than enough protection that any other outside spiritual agency would be needed for.

Mainstream Christians really embrace the concept of demons and angels flittering about above and around them. They personalise the demons and angels in much the same way the Greeks and Egyptions had all sort of various demi-gods for different purposes. Mainstream christians believe free will can be taken from people and replaced with possessing demons. On the whole they are a pretty fearful lot who go on ghostdemon hunts often. Too scared to watch Pokemon, Sesame street, Buffy, Harry Potter,  Scooby Doo.. lest a demon find a way into their consciousness and trick them into something unholy.

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