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(Date Posted:29/11/2010 9:02 AM)
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Could someone tell me if Anthony S. Williams has actually been charged with anything yet? I'm in Scotland and it's hard to find out information, but it's important as he's been leader of a CAI/RCI group here for years and I'm trying to keep up to date with what's going on so I can do what I can to prevent him coming back here if he's been let off the hook by some strange twist of fate. Or to at least make more people in Scotland aware of the kind of person he is as his group still operates here. All I want to know is has he actually been charged in Australia?
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:29/11/2010 4:32 PM)

Good morning, Guest.

Could someone tell me if Anthony S. Williams has actually been charged with anything yet? I'm in Scotland and it's hard to find out information, but it's important as he's been leader of a CAI/RCI group here for years and I'm trying to keep up to date with what's going on so I can do what I can to prevent him coming back here if he's been let off the hook by some strange twist of fate. Or to at least make more people in Scotland aware of the kind of person he is as his group still operates here. All I want to know is has he actually been charged in Australia? As I understand it, Williams has been charged with several crimes; however, given that he's not yet had his 'day in court', he hasn't been convicted of anything. 'Charged' equals 'formal accusation'; 'conviction' equals 'guilty of accusation'. Williams has not yet been found guilty of anything, so technically, if the authorities decided to release his passport to him, then he would be within his rights to travel wherever he wished. If he is convicted, then as a convicted criminal it's unlikely that the Scottish authorities would ever grant him a visa to return there. In point of fact, if (perhaps 'when') he's eventually convicted, Williams will find it nigh on impossible to gain a visa for any country thereafter. Might I ask just how you intended preventing him from ever returning to Scotland?

Blessings,

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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:30/11/2010 12:10 PM)

Good morning, Ian.

(quote) If he is convicted, then as a convicted criminal it's unlikely that the Scottish authorities would ever grant him a visa to return ther

And why would a British citizen need a visa to enter the UK?

the same Guest ;)

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(Date Posted:30/11/2010 6:47 PM)

Good morning, Guest.

Has Williams dual citizenship, then?

If he is 'convicted as charged' in Australia, then he would automatically be placed on the sexual offenders list. This information is provided reciprocally with the United Kingdom; consequently he would eventually appear on the British equivalent. Such a blemish severely resticts one's 'freedoms' in both countries (including freedom of travel and freedom of association), so I wouldn't perceive him being too great a threat into the future.

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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:02/12/2010 3:13 PM)

You are all on the wrong forum. As I repeatedly told some complete idiot recently, RCI has no connection at all with ASW, and has not had any for at least 20 years.

You need to go to the CAI forum.
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(Date Posted:04/12/2010 7:03 AM)

Yes, he has a dual citizenship and often boasted with his British (= master race) passport, complete idiot he is.
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:04/12/2010 7:19 AM)

This is the CAI section of the RCI forum- and thats not completely true about not CAi not have any association with RCI /wink.


Yes, Scott has dual citizenship - it's true.
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:04/12/2010 7:21 AM)

Also- I believe at the moment he has been charged with approx 25 countd of sexual misconduct in various form- it was 13 but more have been added.

Trial date is set for the 15th Dec.
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:04/12/2010 4:10 PM)

December 15th is the committal hearing when it will be decided by the local court if the matter is to be further debated and a conviction to be sought.

After that, the real trial will start at the end of which, he will hopefully be committed to spend the rest of his miserable life behind bars.

What I really hope and pray for, however, is that this finally will send a real wake up call to those who are still undergoing their daily brain washing rituals within the CAI so they can finally hang themselves out to dry, smell the coffee and leave to pursue a spiritually, mentally and physically healthier lifestyle.

~JP


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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:04/12/2010 4:13 PM)

Oh, and he's currently out on bail. He is not allowed to leave town or change his residence (which prevented him to move into the Pacific Towers appartment). Police conduct regular unannounced visits at his primary and registered residence (geez, that must really tick him off). His passport has been confiscated for the time being and I doubt that it will be released to him before the trial is over.


Not sure if the police know but within CAI it is common knowledge (since he's been bragging about it on several public occasions) that he holds dual citizenship and often leaves a country on the one passport while entering another on the other passport.


~JP
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:04/12/2010 9:59 PM)

Hi, Guest.

This is the CAI section of the RCI forum- and thats not completely true about not CAi not have any association with RCI. 'Yes'. We all realise as much, it's simply Sardius who views things differently (wink, wink).

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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:05/12/2010 5:25 AM)

December 15th is the trial- we already had a commital hearing, as I understood it anyway.
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:05/12/2010 6:27 AM)

 What does having a criminal conviction have to do with being denied entry in the UK?

The UK (in general) does not give a stuff about what criminals (peadophiles / rapists / murderers etc) come to it's shores. I regularly lets in the worst kind.
A conviction is also no reason to invalidate someones passport.
I have traveled all over the world with a string of convictions (theft, misuse of drugs and  violence) - and have never had one problem at all

If he does have dual then he will lost neither - for to do so would be a violation of his human rights (although I object most strongly to these myself - it is indeed what the outcome would be.

Being a convicted Peodophile did not stop Gary Glitter traveling to Thailand

Does this mean then that the financial charges have been dropped - and that it is just the sexual ones left ?

Interested party
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:05/12/2010 2:33 PM)

[quote]December 15th is the trial- we already had a commital hearing, as I understood it anyway.[/quote]

At the last committal hearing earlier this year, the prosecution presented more evidence, so an extension was granted and the committal hearing postponed until Dec 15 to give the defense a chance to ponder as to how it could possibly be that ASW could be innocent.

So, this now is the final (hopefully) committal hearing and he will (again hopefully) be committed to stand trial.

~JP

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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:05/12/2010 3:12 PM)

Guest, I don't think you can say the UK doesn't care about what criminals it lets in. That's not true, but we do have severe immigration problems due to the last Labour government who decided to make our country a 'free for all'. Thankfully the new Conservative-LibDem Coalition is slowly trying to remedy the situation but we are hampered by three things - political correctness, the Human Rights Acts and large-scale immigration from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, because we are part of the EU, and people from any country in the EU are eligible to travel to and work in the UK, this means a lot of scumbags from the smaller, virtually anarchic, former Communist states come here just because they can due to having joined the EU within the past few years. Yes, and the scary thing is that these people can be convicted criminals in their country of origin and live undercover here (until they commit a crime and are arrested, of course) which is a complete scandal but out of our hands really as we're at the mercy of the EU with regards to these things.

But that doesn't mean the UK doesn't care who it lets in. It was the Labour government that made a mess of things because they believed and still do that unrestricted immigration was/is good for the economy. We've now discovered otherwise. But people such as Williams cannot go undetected, especially if he is eventually convicted as he will be put on the sex offenders register, especially if he's a UK citizen.

It's the criminals who come here from Eastern Europe and outside Europe who are the hardest to deal with because the law and values in their country of origin are so warped, they come here thinking they can do what they like, then discover that we actually have laws here and they are suitably charged and convicted. Surprise for them, no doubt.

And I think you'll find that Gary Glitter had not been convicted when he was caught in Thailand, because he was arrested while he was there.  There are restrictions on freedoms when people are on the sex offenders list and Glitter is now one of them.

In the UK, the problems with foreign criminals are to do with terrible immigration policies and EU membership. But this is different to a UK/Australian citizen who is well-known to the authorities and cannot just do as he pleases, now or in the future.

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(Date Posted:05/12/2010 5:13 PM)

Good morning, 'Interested'.

What does having a criminal conviction have to do with being denied entry in the UK? Quite a bit, I'd suggest. The UK (in general) does not give a stuff about what criminals (peadophiles / rapists / murderers etc) come to it's shores. I regularly lets in the worst kind. You might be surprised just how much the UK does care who it lets into her borders. Criminal checks are conducted on visa applications, and as with Australia, the Attorney General decides what sorts of convictions preclude the granting of entry visas. A conviction is also no reason to invalidate someones passport. Nobody has suggested that a conviction 'invalidates a passport'; the issue is whether or not a visa will be granted.

I have traveled all over the world with a string of convictions (theft, misuse of drugs and  violence) - and have never had one problem at all. Excepting for gaol time, one imagines. If he does have dual then he will lost neither - for to do so would be a violation of his human rights (although I object most strongly to these myself - it is indeed what the outcome would be. Don't be so sure. Dual citizenship might present some difficulties, but if his primary citizenship is with Australia, then it's possible that his UK citizenship could be revoked. We do the same thing here, in this country.

Being a convicted Peodophile did not stop Gary Glitter traveling to Thailand. Glitter was initially refused entry to Thailand after he was deported from Vietnam (where he settled after being deported earlier from Cambodia). Germane to this discussion, however, were you aware that Glitter is currently a persona non grata in 19 countries around the world? Paedophilia has a way of limiting one's travel options, it seems.

Ian

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The show must go on ...
(Date Posted:09/12/2010 7:37 AM)




COFFS HARBOUR Criminal Lists15/12/2010

WILLIAMS, ANTHONY SCOTT
10:00 AM
WILLIAMS, ANTHONY SCOTT
10:00 AM

link: http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/courtlists/nswlc_lists.nsf/2d69be7802e95b764a256e6a00044f71/86380b4886b695ffca2577f4001e5365?OpenDocument


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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 4:50 PM)

I`ts about time he gets what is comming to him , lets just pray the the leagal system does the right thing this time and puts him behind bars .
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 4:55 PM)

Ian,

I challenge you to show proof of any association whatsoever between ASW and RCI in the last 20 years. By association, I mean something that both parties are aware of and agree to, not just some words that ASW has put on a charity registration. It takes two or more to associate.

But I suppose you will be too busy christening infants and indulging in various other papal/bablyonian practices to actually check your facts.


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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 4:55 PM)

Ian,

I challenge you to show proof of any association whatsoever between ASW and RCI in the last 20 years. By association, I mean something that both parties are aware of and agree to, not just some words that ASW has put on a charity registration. It takes two or more to associate.

But I suppose you will be too busy christening infants and indulging in various other papal/bablyonian practices to actually check your facts.


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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 5:59 PM)

 Sardius, Honey,

I've been to some meetings of people formerly associated with the RCI and I also know some people who are/have been in RCI.

They may not have any official connection for the past 20 years, even distanced themselves from one another, but, really, it's the same as CAI just in green.

Honestly, they both come from the same roots and whilst RCI might not have a sexually abusive pastor at the helm right now, the emotional and spiritual abuse is about the same. They both sit on the same high horse of thinking only they are the ones saved and only their teaching is the real stuff and are also in the same boat of ostracising people if they don't fit the prescribed mold. Face it, you're all birds of a feather.


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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 6:09 PM)

Guest,

I have never seen or heard of any form of abuse in RCI. But I have seen troublemakers disciplined. I guess that says what you were and are.
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(Date Posted:11/12/2010 7:01 PM)

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But I suppose you will be too busy christening infants and indulging in various other papal/bablyonian practices to actually check your facts.



Sardius,

Ian is a Theologian and a very rigorous student of the Word of God and hardly involves himself with any public ministry with congregational concerns and administrations as far as I am aware. So would you mind listing all these "papal/bablyonian practices" that you are leveling at Ian as accusation that has you so concerned ...

Eric
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 8:14 PM)

Troublemakers disciplined?

We all know that a load of horseshit and I think you need to get off your spiritual box Sarduis- there is no biblical highground here. CAI, RCI - all cults all abusive.
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 9:49 PM)

The best and more well practiced cults are better at 'hiding' their nastier stories from the public. Revivalists prefer not to go to court etc. I know of at least one member from my previous 'assembly' who molested and wasn't brought to correct justice. Discipline them (give them leave of absence from meetings for a time) then forgive them... leave the 'worldy' court system out of the picture.

Sardius... you're a judgmental prick, and that tells us a lot about who you are and where you fellowship. Sheesh...
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:11/12/2010 10:05 PM)

Sardius,

I challenge you to show proof of any association whatsoever between ASW and RCI in the last 20 years. By association, I mean something that both parties are aware of and agree to, not just some words that ASW has put on a charity registration. It takes two or more to associate. If this is your principle 'beef', then quite clearly you've missed the point!

But I suppose you will be too busy christening infants and indulging in various other papal/bablyonian practices to actually check your facts. Ha, ha, ha. Given this short burst of absolute nonsense I find myself asking, 'since when has Sardius cared a tuppence for the facts?' In short, you wouldn't recognise a 'Babylonian' religious practice if you tripped over one, and one could quite easily write a multi-volume work on what you don't know about Roman Catholicism.

Goose.

Ian



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(Date Posted:12/12/2010 3:41 AM)

It is duly noted that the pompous major once again failed completely to answer the point. There is in fact no evidence of any association between RCI and ASW in the last 20 years, and he knows it.

When Jesus Christ walked this earth, the theologians of the day were the scribes, pharisees, saducees etc. Did Jesus Christ ever have a good word for any of them? Check the scriptures.....

Theology is a pseudo-science which distracts seriously from the truth, and has no relevance to saving souls.
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:12/12/2010 11:31 AM)

"Theology is a pseudo-science which distracts seriously from the truth, and has no relevance to saving souls."

Utter nonsense! They used to say stuff like that in CAI all the time. They tried to say that they didn't interpret the Bible, they just obeyed it. I remember ASW getting up at Cornwall saying that CAI did not have doctrines, that they were for the other churches and that was one of the reasons that they were lukewarm; their message was watered down by theology and academia.

Sardius, without theology, how do you establish what you believe? If it distracts seriously from the truth, how do you establish what the truth is? I just read on the Revival Centres International website that only adults can be baptised and that everyone who receives the Holy Spirit does speak in tongues. Oh my my, what is this I see before me? THEOLOGY (of sorts anyway)! And this is before getting into any of the finer points of what you believe. 

The 2 items of doctrine mentioned in the previous paragraph were also held by CAI. I would be interested to know how many theological similarities exist between the 2 cults. What is RCI's position on men standing up when urinating? Are people allowed to actually put their feet on the doormats to official (the Lord's) properties or do you have to put blankets over the top of them first?


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(Date Posted:12/12/2010 2:40 PM)

RCI has never had doctrines about urination or doormats. Those are the products of a very sick, perverted mind.
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(Date Posted:12/12/2010 3:41 PM)

Well, we do agree on that.
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(Date Posted:12/12/2010 5:40 PM)

Alan,

RCI has never had doctrines about urination or doormats. Those are the products of a very sick, perverted mind. So too are the following: (1) salvation by 'tongues'; (2) the racist fable of British-Israel; (3) Pyramidology; (4) Bible Numerics; (5) fornication as the 'unforgiveable sin'; and, (6) the Roman Catholic Church being identified with 'mystery Babylon', to name but a handful.

Repent, you hypocritical goose.

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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:13/12/2010 8:21 AM)

 could someone enlighten me regarding 'fornication unforgiveable sin' please? I was with CAI for many years but generally found that this was handled very disrcretely. I thing Steve is exaggerating things quite a bit as well. Yes - we were taught regarding cleanliness to an extreeme... therefore I find it unneccessary to even further exaggerate. Who does such things is not a shining example either...
Also - whether the catholic church is the mystery of babylon or not - no harm done in identifying it as one of many forms of the spirit of antichrist my dear fellow scribes and pharisees ...
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:13/12/2010 2:55 PM)

 I whole heartedly agree with your last statement, Ian. 

I'm not really exaggerating. Ok, the doormat thing is tongue in cheek but I stand by everything else in my post.
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:13/12/2010 3:14 PM)

 Dear Guest

Fornication was not the 'unforgiveable' sin in CAI. That was/is in RCI and ASW often made a point out of just how forgiving the CAI is in comparison since they granted 'refuge' quite a number of years ago to a young girl who was told by RCI that she either had to marry a guy she had shared one fleeting kiss with (they were both 16) or be cast out unto the devil for her sin. He often said that that's where RCI just went off the track (his words not mine).

Then again, seen in a prudent light, he couldn't possibly regard fornication as the unforgiveable sin cause he couldn't keep his hands to himself all along, now could he?

And whilst I usually don't agree with Ian, the points he brought up are correct and, apart from the fornication issue, are teaching in both cults.

Also, Strawberrysteve isn't that far off the bat. I remember many a time when we arrived at any of the 'official' residences and had to wear clean clothes to even enter the property, then get changed in the outside bathrooms into even cleaner clothes (basically fresh off the line) and then had to carry white socks with us to put them on mid-air so to say before putting our dirty feet on the holy doormats and carpets. And they HAD to be white socks. Woe if you dared to bring a pair of grey, blue or b***y rainbow-coloured ones.



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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:13/12/2010 3:52 PM)

I'm sure, these sick bastards would have liked the rainbow ones... allthough your "head would have been kicked in", as they said in their loving attitude.

Williams - if you read this: be assured, when I see you ever again, I will feed your ugly face with white socks.
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:13/12/2010 4:38 PM)

I doubt you can exaggerate the cleanliness thing in CAI-  officers wives certainly felt the "spiritual whip"if a towel or tablecloth or curtain was crooked.


And fornication unforgivable- King David had a few problems then. At least Scott always taught that God could and would forgive those who truly repented.


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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:15/12/2010 4:27 AM)

Today the case of Anthony Scott Williams was committed to trial for the beginning or middle of 2011 on all 23 charges of sexual assault.



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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:15/12/2010 5:36 AM)

The trial is booked for 3rd of Feburary, apparently the judge was quite stern and didnt take any crap from the defence lawyers.

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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:16/12/2010 3:26 PM)

Guest,

could someone enlighten me regarding 'fornication unforgiveable sin' please? As I intimated earlier, this is an RCI practice, although I have no doubts they would deny it as a doctrine. Also - whether the catholic church is the mystery of babylon or not - no harm done in identifying it as one of many forms of the spirit of antichrist my dear fellow scribes and pharisees ... Except for the fact that doing so would be to promote a lie.

Goose.

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Guest,

could someone enlighten me regarding 'fornication unforgiveable sin' please? As I intimated earlier, this is an RCI practice, although I have no doubts they would deny it as a doctrine. Also - whether the catholic church is the mystery of babylon or not - no harm done in identifying it as one of many forms of the spirit of antichrist my dear fellow scribes and pharisees ... Except for the fact that doing so would be to promote a lie.

Goose.

Ian

Thanks Ian - could you post a link concerning the latter point please - anything that I could study to see your viewing point on this? I have been trained for 17years to think about the catholic church that way - but I am open to challenge my beliefs with the views of others...
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 5:30 AM)

Good evening, Guest.

Thanks Ian - could you post a link concerning the latter point please - anything that I could study to see your viewing point on this? You might wish to begin by doing a little research on Roman Catholic teaching from the source itself: the Roman Catholic Church. Instead of believeing the nonsense that your preferred sect of Revivalism taught about this ancient communion, why not have a look at what this church teaches about itself? I have been trained for 17 years to think about the catholic church that way - but I am open to challenge my beliefs with the views of others. That's certainly a positive approach. My experience of the sort of people who 'trained' you these past 17 years is this: they really haven't the first clue about the subject! Revivalist 'oversight' tend towards being a woefully ignorant lot, after all.

Blessings,

Ian


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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 2:50 PM)

Sardius,

The CAI was actually called Revival Centres International Europe for about 10 years, from the mid 80's to the mid 90's. Pastor Lloyd & Pastor Scott entered into a formal alliance. Lloyd, John Kulhman, Ted Patmore and the Sydney pastor (can't remember his name) among others visited and were wined & dined by Scott in Europe. Likewise the European branch of the RCI under Scott visited and were hosted by the Australian RCI on at least two occasions.

They by and large hold the same basic doctrines, although they differ in methodology. Scott withdrew from the RCI fellowship back in the mid 90's at the same time as the New Zealand group and those that left to form the Revival Fellowship.

Lloyd was the one was actually baptised Scott back in the goold old days.

When I was saved, I was saved into the church called RCI, led by Scott. Many of the folks in the RCI Europe were saved as part of RCI Australia.

So the CAI is in fact a direct product of the RCI, and was well integrated into it for at least 10 years.
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 2:58 PM)

Hi Sardius

And here is the letter from Scott detailing all the in's and outs of the original agreement and affiliation of the RCI & CAI, along with the reasons for the CAI to withdraw from this affiliation.

Happy reading.

http://forum1.aimoo.com/revival/Revival-churches-History-rc-CultWeb-net/Euro-Revival-Centres-Split-ACA-Split-1-1009112.html
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RE:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 4:44 PM)

Guest,

I am aware of that letter, which in addition to matters relevant to the present discussion also contains quite a few lies. I guess that if you are a sodomite, the additional sin of lying does not seem all that important.

Note the date, 1992, which was just slightly after ASW was kicked out of RCI, and well before the RCI/RF split over morals issues. The two things were in no way related (there were at that time no known morals problems in CAI), and everyone I know in both RCI and RF were greatly relieved that ASW had gone. Ray Ledger was head pastor in the UK at the time, and had made a point of not allowing anyone to visit what became CAI in Scotland, for very good reasons. However, three people, including the sister CAI maligns in his letter, defected to RCI even when ASW was still nominally in fellowship, because conditions in the Scottish work were unscripturtal and intolerable. Not only that, but a sister, indeed a pastor's daughter, in one of the large Australian assemblies went to visit her fiance in Eurpoe, and found the work to be so corrupt that she had to break off the engagement, and I am fairly certain that happened before 1990.

So 1992 is the last possible date we have for any association between RCI and ASW, and it was falling apart before that. Maybe my memory was out by a year or even two, but the insinuations that there is an on-going association are clearly false.
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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 7:23 PM)

Correct - no on-going assoc, though Scott has met with Lloyd and Simon a couple of times since - on friendly conditions.

But I thought your insuation was that the CAI was never part of or associated with RCI - which is obviously not the case.

I believe shortly before CAI left the RCI (or vice-versa depending on which version of events you chose to accept), the New Zealand fellowship also left by and large. Also the Papua New Guinea group left at around that time too I think. The NZ group stayed in fellowship with Scott and the CAI after the parting, NZ group was led by Fred Needham.

Also, Scott was never kicked out of the RCI, as the post split vists between him and Lloyd would attest to. It was an very unfriendly parting of the ways though, that much is for certain.

As a member to RCI Europe I met a few RCI pastors - and they were more than happy to lead the meeting, preach the sermon and acknoweldge us as part of the RCI back then.

Anyway - the whole thing is a sad, sad thing. CAI, RCI, RF - all cut from the same clothe by and large it would seem.


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Re:ASW and Charges Against Him
(Date Posted:19/12/2010 1:11 PM)

So Sard - how exactly do you distinguish between CAI groups in Scotland and whatever RCI group you belong to?

Seems to me that whatever church you're in is very secretive also. You are determined to present RCI in Scotland as totally separate from CAI, so where can information about your group be found, then? There is no information about the Scottish RCI on the RCI website. Similarly, the CAI website gives no proper addresses, meeting-place addresses or landline telephone numbers for any of its Scottish groups.

Is your group more transparent? Why does it also, unlike the myriad of other genuine churches in Scotland, not have a website to inform people of its whereabouts with real contact numbers, email addresses etc etc?

Seems that when CAI's own website promotes its links with RCI, theological and otherwise, they have a lot more in common than you would try to suggest. Or, maybe RCI is filled with people who don't care that ASW links his church to them? Why would that be, Sard?
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(Date Posted:19/12/2010 3:41 PM)

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Good evening, Guest.

Thanks Ian - could you post a link concerning the latter point please - anything that I could study to see your viewing point on this? You might wish to begin by doing a little research on Roman Catholic teaching from the source itself: the Roman Catholic Church. Instead of believeing the nonsense that your preferred sect of Revivalism taught about this ancient communion, why not have a look at what this church teaches about itself? I have been trained for 17 years to think about the catholic church that way - but I am open to challenge my beliefs with the views of others. That's certainly a positive approach. My experience of the sort of people who 'trained' you these past 17 years is this: they really haven't the first clue about the subject! Revivalist 'oversight' tend towards being a woefully ignorant lot, after all.

Blessings,

Ian

Hi Ian,

The Catholic Church these post modern days can trace much of its renewal to the Second Vatican Council that was commenced under Pope John and concluded under Pope Paul. There is much theological ground and discussion on V2 and I would only see it as useful endeavor for the more serious academic minded such as yourself. Nevertheless V2 is a wealth of RC belief, doctrine and instruction.

Blessings and talk to you again sometime in the early new year.

Blessings for the season and Happy New Year..

Eric
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Nevertheless V2 is a wealth of RC belief, doctrine and instruction.


Eric

PS RC = Roman Catholic NOT Rev. Centre  ...
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PS RC = Roman Catholic NOT Rev. Centre  ...

Hi Eric, I assumed RC was in reference to a Church.


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PS RC = Roman Catholic NOT Rev. Centre  ...

Hi Eric, I assumed RC was in reference to a Church.

PPS... most of my study of V2 has been in the area of ecumenism and ecumenical discussion between the various major denominations..

blessings more

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Hi Eric, I assumed RC was in reference to a Church.

PPS... most of my study of V2 has been in the area of ecumenism and ecumenical discussion between the various major denominations..

blessings more

Eric


Hi again, I guess we are a bit off topic here but it would be very interesting what you are studying Eric. I only have a very basic understanding of the problems regarding differences between the denominations and from my ignorant position have trouble with some of the RCs traditions and also with Anglican practices such as female ministers and practicing homosexual ministers. I think however things are improving even in my lifetime (44 years) with relationships between us. A couple of years ago I was invited as a Presbyterian to transport in my vintage car, the Archbishop of Melbourne and the Most Rev'd Peter Elliot, RC Auxiliary Bishop of Melbourne to the St. Pauls Inverleigh Anglican Church's 150th Aniverary Service which I gladly did and participated in. My Pastor and Elders also supported this event, although my Pastor jokingly asked me why Father was dressed as Mother.lol
There may be some problems in the Church, but we are all doing our best I believe to follow the Gospel and example of Christ. This I dont think can be said of revival centres as they remain "Willfully ignorant".
Blessing to you too Eric.
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