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Biblianut
Re :   Leaving the GRC and Salvation

'BA', and you still think they are the only true church (Hollin's). If one doesn't go there one will be going to hell? Grow up!

'Ashley', so Ian is only good for a laugh on here? Well I think you need to consider seriously your own position, engaging in the follies of Revivalist heresy can only lead you and your family to destruction.



17/05/2013 5:43 PM


Didaktikon
Re :   life after RCI/CAI

Hi, AG.

Hi, I'm out for two years now. But I still feel lost. What you're feeling is the normal response to leaving an abnormal situation. After 22 years in a cult, I'm "different" People notice this. I can't hide it. Well 'different' isn't necessarily bad, and in your case 'different' can come to mean 'wiser'. It all will depend on where you go, and what you do, from this point forwards.

How did you find your way in "the world" after you left the cult? I Need advice. The 'world' itself is far from ideal (far from God's ideal, anyway), so I'm not sure there is a set-piece approach to 'finding one's way' therein. However, if you need advice on: (1) how to make sense of your Revivalist experience; (2) how to discern God's will; and, (3) how to move forwards in life with the real God at the centre, then you've come to the right place.

God bless,

Ian


13/05/2013 5:58 AM


burkers
Re :   What about the kids?

In fact the only thing that has changed here in Adelaide after the split was that in about 2000ish John Kuhlmann stopped the comb-overs. My guess is that he run out of that lard surplus he must of had. 


12/05/2013 11:17 PM


burkers
Re :   My story at GRC

'need discipline to follow the Lord.' That is salvation by works, eg. 'If I can discipline myself to the point where I am with out sin, Jesus will find me acceptable'. Try instead to thank God, for his grace that stops you from sinning more then you already do, and his mercy that stops you from receiving the wrath of God when you do sin. 
To Wally 3218, I pray that God the farther returns you to the Flock that he wants you to be in. may God give you Peace to you and your family. God Bless.

Burkers.


12/05/2013 9:10 PM


Pfingstros
Topic :   life after RCI/CAI


Hi, I'm out for two years now. But I still feel lost. After 22 years in a cult, I'm "different" People notice this. I can't hide it. How did you find your way in "the world" after you left the cult? I Need advice.

A.G.



12/05/2013 4:25 PM


Pfingstros
Topic :   Blödes Wochenende!

Hallo,

habe gerade einen Riesendurchhänger! Dieses Wochenende war MBP, von Donnerstag (Feiertag) bis heute. Mehr als 10 Jahre lang habe ich die Essensplanung gemacht. Letztes Jahr wollten sie, dass ich wieder die Essensplanung für sie mache, obwohl ich schon "abgefallen" war. Habe ich natürlich nicht gemacht. Dieses Jahr hat mich mein Ex eingeladen, ich solle doch mit den Kindern zum Grillen und Lagerfeuer kommen. Natürlich bin ich nicht gekommen! Ich fühle mich nur gerade so scheiße und haltlos. Ich habe im Grunde keine Freunde aus der Zeit von vor CAI, außer einer alten Schulfreundin. Neue Kontakte aufzubauen fällt mir echt schwer. Mit meiner Vergangenheit fürchte ich, abgelehnt zu werden. Und verbergen kann ich sie auch nicht. Es waren immerhin 22 Jahre, mehr als die Hälfte meines Lebens. Ich falle doch auf. Ich habe 22 Jahre lang nicht in dieser Welt gelebt. Da bin ich doch "anders". Z. B. Musik, da kann ich gar nicht mitreden,

Ich hätte  schon auch gerne ein tolles langes Wochenende mit vielen Leuten und Gemeinschaft gehabt. Aber nicht für den Preis!

Wie macht ihr das? Wie fasst ihr in der Welt wieder Fuß?

Liebe Grüße,

A.G.


 


 



12/05/2013 4:11 PM


anon3
Topic :   Just a thought

Hello all,

The other day I bumped into a video that deals with religious groups and its consequences. So if anyone ist interested:
the name is "Takva". One of the real donwsides it is in turkish language with subtitles only. Nevertheless I think is is
worth seeing; I found many parallels to CAI, where I have been far too long.

dvd cover image


21/04/2013 12:03 PM


Biblianut
Re :   Kuhlman gets tough

smiley18
Did we miss something here and what's this bit about "willy'? According to Lunasparkle's profile, he/she/it's a female.
Whatever, sounds like a very disturbed person.


20/04/2013 4:53 AM


Didaktikon


19/04/2013 10:18 PM


Lunasparkl
Re :   Kuhlman gets tough

I hate all of you. So kiss my willy you christian faggots. I will destroy the fellowship you worms. You make up false stuff. So you can molest the kids. I hate you Kalmaaaan you can suck my dick you fucking piece of fucking skank whore bitch slut rectom and i will beat the shit outta you next time i see your ass again. Paster steve can lick my nuts and so can all you wanna be somebody faggot breaths.


19/04/2013 5:02 AM


Lunasparkl
Re :   Reply To Anonymous

XXX all you christian XXX heads. I hate you all.


19/04/2013 4:57 AM


-Little-
Re :   Please help with the CAI Wikipedia article!

Dear Goodmen.
It is always recommendable talking with God. Including listening to his answer.
Could the links help you?
Bleess you.
-Little.


05/04/2013 2:18 PM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To %2DLittle%2D

Reply to -Little-

Reply to Goodmen 
How did these Revival churches come about ? Was Pastor Hollins church the first church or it was detached from another ?


Dear Goodmen.
Perhaps you can find any information you are looking for at the following links?:

Best regards.-Little-


Thanks for the reply. So, have you talked to God before ? It seems like not everyone had done it before. Maybe, more than half should have done it before ?





05/04/2013 9:53 AM


-Little-
Re :   Reply To Goodmen

Reply to Goodmen 

How did these Revival churches come about ? Was Pastor Hollins church the first church or it was detached from another ?


Dear Goodmen.

Perhaps you can find any information you are looking for at the following links?:

Best regards.
-Little-


04/04/2013 9:23 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To wally3218

Reply to wally3218

After being kicked out mum and dad soon left the GRC too as they hated how they were suspose to have nothing to do with me and no one at the GRC spoke to my parents about me or asked them how I was going.

Dear wally, i don't think your way was right. Yes, you were young back then and you lacked the discipline to follow the Lord. I don't think a Revival church can bend the rules for you. This is not a country club for your social needs. I'm trying to let you understand that your way will never survive in this kind of church. Anyway, try to reconcile yourself to the Lord if you think you are ready. Salvation is between you and God. The church cannot guarantee your salvation. Being a disciple is to be disciplined.


I just could'nt stand Noel and his attitude much prefered Jack Clay before they split , there was never any grey areas it was all black and white no misstakes allowed tho I think it did depend on how much money you brought into the assembly.
Well thats the end of my story.

I don't know that man though I have met him twice or thrice in my prev church.


31/03/2013 7:14 AM


Didaktikon
Re :   Global Atheist Convention/Reason for Faith Festival

Goodman,

You're flooding the forum with posts that say nothing, and add nothing, to the various discussions. If you believe you have something worthwhile to share, then please take the time to put together something cogent, and start a new thread.

Ian 


30/03/2013 5:29 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Didaktikon

Reply to Didaktikon

Good morning,

As some would no doubt be aware, Melbourne has, this weekend, been hosting the 'Global Atheist Convention 2012'. What many might not be aware; however, is that this city is also hosting the 'Reason for Faith Festival'. So those of us who are fortunate enough to live in Melbourne have enjoyed the opportunity to hear (for example) Dr Richard Dawkins' views about faith, science and God on the one hand; and yet will be able to hear (for example) Dr Bruce Yabsley's views on the other :)

Dawkins is a lousy loser and a liar. He has nothing serious to debunk Theism with any science card if he can find any. Now, he is JUST an agnostic ? He is a joke.

Whilst the former convention winds up today, the latter commences tomorrow and has several free presentations taking part across the CBD throughout the course of the week (see reasonforfaith.org.au).

Blessings,

Ian






29/03/2013 9:43 PM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Guest

I along with many other young people within this unforgiving cult, have been DRIVEN OUT!!

Young people tend to rebel and that's bad for a regimental unit like Geelong. If you wanna join a church, you better join a uniform group first.

The pastors will make rules aka LAWS according to their own opinions and general outlooks on different situations! Will someone PLEASE tell me why there are rules for some and not another. I was told that my clothing was offensive because:

A: It had a pink stripe around 1 sleeve. Pink ? I have no problem with that. It's a pastel colour, I think. But, our sissy PM wore pink shirts and he is frequently called Pinky.

B: My jeans were too tight...aparently? Welcome to the 2000's...We dont wear sloppy oversized garments...and we cant all be homies lol.
You have good fashion sense.

C: I dressed to Feminine and i was offending ALL the brothers in the assembly!
Take up bodybuilding and all the bros will worship you. Frankly, I don't know anything pertaining to dressing up. Don't tell me he wanted you to wear a uniform to prove your manhood.




(Message edited by Uncoolman On 20/06/2010 05:17)



29/03/2013 9:34 PM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To piano%5Faccordian

Reply to piano_accordian

I cant believe it. When i was still attending meetings i always said hello to "backsliders" and ppl who were "out of fellowship" and they were friendly back. Its not really a big deal. Its not like all of a sudden these ppl have horns coming out of their head and carry a pitched fork around!This organisation is based on fear, not love.

Hahahaha ! I like the way you put it. The problem is that people being put out of the fellowship are as if they are having AIDS or some SARS epidemic danger. The OT mentioned about diseases on the skin and those people who were afflicted with infectious diseases had to be separated from the healthy ones. Perhaps, that is the main reason.


Its really not a good testimony for you to be rude to us - why on earth would i want to go back there when you wont even say hello to me in the street!?You are no better than me - and i bet a lot of assembly go-ers have demons in their closet - i know of someone who takes communion when she is an adulterer!! Other people who drink, have oral sex, take recreational drugs. And the rest of you sit there and have "fellowship" with them. Just because you attend the meetings and outings doesnt mean you are any more saved than I am.Im not bitter against the assembly at all... But the life on the outside is good.Id be happy to hear from anyone who wants to comment on this.


Well, for my case, the fornicators were given only a year of holiday after they had kept mum for several years. They were baptised; and not long, they had sex outside of marriage. They cheated the church which was supposed to be a serious case BUT ... conveniently, they were accepted into the fold because they were popular with the elders and pastors. You see, that was their inner circle thing. All are equal. Except, some are more equal than others. LOL  




29/03/2013 10:14 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Guest

Reply to Guest

A WOMAN given just two years to live says she has been ostracised from her church because she moved in with her family.

Zivka Igic, 62, arrived at the Geelong Revival Centre with a personal carer last month after being released from hospital, only to be turned away because she is living with her daughter and son-in-law who were ex-communicated from the assembly last year.


"We gave them seven days to reply, that's now over two weeks ago and have since confirmed that Zivka has been ostracised from the church fellowship, " he said.


Mr Erwin and his wife Helena were ousted from the church but have never been given an official reason for their ex-communication.

Mr Hollins could not be contacted yesterday but an elder from the church said the centre would not comment on the matter.






The same as mine too. I wasn't given a reason why I had to leave RFA. What a sham ! This is too much. Revenge !!


29/03/2013 9:57 AM


-Little-
Re :   Please help with the CAI Wikipedia article!

Perhaps you can get an answer for your question if you ask at the RCI part of the Forum:
Best regards.
-Little-


29/03/2013 2:35 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Galien

Reply to Galien

Good well intentioned people do not abandon their friends on the say so of some dickhead pastor.

 

But, you have to understand that those have decided to stay in the Matrix or those that have not been freed from the Matrix will eventually be tools of the devil like that Agent Smith. The world and the church is still separated somehow. I don't understand why God wanted to put us in harm's way.


 

, and if Atheism = 0, Agnosticism = 5 and Christianity = 10, then I'm about a 6 in the continuum. I choose to believe there's something more to this universe than the physical measurable data, and I'll keep poking at it with a stick until something pokes back.

 

I’m sitting at about 4 at the moment.

Have you spoken to God before ? This is important. Even my previous pastor don't even know this ! God is REAL !


If I'm the only Moses around then I will be lonely again. My ex-brethren don't know about this too when I asked them about my blessing for one particular morning. God was telling me that I was expecting someone. I was looking around even when I was at work. By even time, I was at this Funan IT Mall having a fellowship or a gathering. I didn't notice a Taiwanese man who was sitting with us and a brother was telling him something. I thought he was a stranger who was being 'witnessed' by my brethren. Before we leave for somewhere else, my bro told me that he was a newly saved person who had also received the Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongue. I was shocked ! He was the one I was expecting and I didn't know he was there all along. Wow ! This was cool. Anyway, the Taiwanese man was actually leaving for Taiwan in the evening.


FYI, I have been fighting Atheism for a year. And I'm still fighting them now.  They are easy to debunked. They have no science cards, no mathematics cards, no ... easy to kill.  I hope that more and more weak atheists will convert to either deism or just agnosticism. I do hope some will see the light like that "ShockofGod" (raised up in a atheist family) who converted into a strong Christian. 



As a 'Christian' five years ago, I made choices according to what I believed scripture to say. I stayed in a marriage that I should have gotten out of, but my belief in what 'God wanted' caused me to stick with the marriage until the nasty sticky end. That was a HUGE mistake, and it's taking a lot of course correction to rectify it.

 

I stayed in church for decades and it drove me toward despair, depression and suicide. I just wanted to do the right thing, and it came very close to destroying me. Now I really have no idea why I did that to myself for all those years.

I didn't like marriage because it ... you can't call a superglue if the bonded parts can be removed by your fancy. And they call this as a "disannulment" ? I thought of just having sex with someone and beget children without the legal stuff and all the silly and meaningless ceremony. But, God said to me, "Marriage." Sheeesh ! 


Then you are in good company J











29/03/2013 1:13 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To prezy

Reply to prezy

Reply to Galian:
My experience at the church I go to is not like what you have experienced, and when things have been difficult for my family we have had plenty of help without judgement. Could be that country people are different? Would nt go to a pente church again though.


Don't be so despaired about some strange policies dishing out by some ultra-conservative church leaders. They do have their merits but I think Geelong's way is perhaps far too inhuman for some. I can't imagine living in another regimental life just after my military conscription. I had my fair share of great time with the younger gen. But sometimes, we do not see things in the same light. Isn't that funny ? I thought the fellowship must be in unity by the so-called Spirit ? smiley8


29/03/2013 12:33 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To %2DLittle%2D

Reply to -Little-

Do not know it. Interesting question.
BTW: Why did you attach the BBC video about the "Tank Heroes Of World War II" ?


Just saw this two days ago. Since it is newly minted in YouTube, I thought it will be helpful to keep you guys entertained for awhile. I have just finished it yesternight. The tanks ? Nothing special about them regarding the issues that we are dealing with in this forum.


29/03/2013 12:18 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Didaktikon

Reply to Didaktikon

'Goodmen',

Is the Jews in Iran the Lost Tribes ? The Iranians and the Iranian Jews are living in harmony. 'No', they're not; and 'no' they don't.

Ian


The beginnings of Jewish history in Iran date back to late Biblical times. The biblical books of IsaiahDanielEzraNehemiah, contain references to the life and experiences of Jews in Persia. In the book of Ezra, the Persian kings are credited with permitting and enabling the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple; its reconstruction was carried out "according to the decree of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" (Ezra 6:14). This great event in Jewish history took place in the late 6th century BC, by which time there was a well-established and influential Jewish community inPersia.

Persian Jews have lived in the territories of today's Iran for over 2,700 years, since the first Jewish diaspora when the Assyrian king Shalmaneser V conquered the (Northern) Kingdom of Israel (722 BC) and sent the Israelites (the Ten Lost Tribes) into captivity atKhorasan. In 586 BC, the Babylonians expelled large populations of Jews from Judea to the Babylonian captivity.

Jews who migrated to ancient Persia mostly lived in their own communities. The Persian Jewish communities include the ancient (and until the mid-20th century still extant) communities not only of Iran, but of parts of what is now AfghanistanAzerbaijan, northwestern IndiaKirgizstanPakistanTajikistanTurkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

Some of the communities were isolated from other Jewish communities, to the extent that their classification as "Persian Jews" is a matter of linguistic or geographicalconvenience rather than actual historical relationship with one another. During the peak of the Persian Empire, Jews are thought to have comprised as much as 20% of the population.


There might be some truth here at Wiki. smiley7


There were reports that seemed to tell a different story and situation for the Persian Jews. smiley8



29/03/2013 12:12 AM


Didaktikon
Re :   The British-Israel Myth

'Goodmen',

Is the Jews in Iran the Lost Tribes ? The Iranians and the Iranian Jews are living in harmony. 'No', they're not; and 'no' they don't.

Ian


28/03/2013 7:28 PM


-Little-
Re :   Please help with the CAI Wikipedia article!

Do not know it. Interesting question.

BTW: Why did you attach the BBC video about the "Tank Heroes Of World War II" ?


28/03/2013 10:41 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Epios

Reply to Epios

"Though (If) I speak with the tongues of men and angels and have not charity I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though (if) I have the gift of prophesy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though (if) I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains and have not charity, I am nothing.

And though (if) I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though (if) I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."

 


 



So, what is charity ? The goodness of God ? But, tongues do have some relevence in the Holy Spirit context as it was listed down as one of the functions or characteristics of the Holy Spirit.

I remember the time when I had received mine at the Bible House in Singapore and the experience was an unforgetable one. I had experienced the power of God when His Spirit descended on me. My body was shaking quite violently, my tongue was twisting violently and rattling speedily like a snake, my breathing was heavy and I saw a 'sun'. The 'sunlight' was very bright and it was also very warm (hot) as if I'm going to get a sunburn soon. I felt a strange and unknown pressure that engulfed me at that time when it descended. Strange but it was a good memory anyway.

I had experienced the strange 'sunlight' coming from nowhere when I pray in the dark of the night. I remember the heat, the heat of the Sun.

The problem is I don't experience healing. That's an unfortunate thing for me, I guess. Without medication, you would have to face the full brunt of the viruses attack in your body. It was hell ! I think medication will be the way UNLESS He's able to give me healing power.

And yes, the ex-brethren were so rude and unfriendly. When I was a member there, I do see a bad practice that estranged their family members for attending the marriage and giving their blessings to the young couples. I don't think that was nice.


28/03/2013 9:50 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Reply To Anonymous

Reply to Anonymous

Reply to : kiwi flyer [Anonymous]

It was perfectly clear that Israel,who had been dispersed for more than 700yrs,was much in jesus mind during his three years ministry upon earth,for many were the refrences to Israel made by him.As an example'let us turn to to the commission He gave to the twelve apostles inMatt.10:5-6."These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them saying.Go not into the way of the gentiles. and unto any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." these apostles were not to go to the Gentiles,nor to the Samaritans-who were the descendants of usurpers of Israel-"But to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."and they obeyed this command as far as possible.The only tribe they could reach which had any connection with Israel was Benjamin,and Benjamin as a tribe was won to allegiance to the lord.Benjamin had gone into captivity with Ju
There is no conection between The Anglo-Saxons and Israel, there a completly different race! The connection is based on lies, and false accounts of history to prove the mantle is passed on to the Anglo-Saxons. The Body of Christ now has the promise. Brittish Israel is a twisted bible message full of deceit, and become's nothing more than a infectious infactuation.


Is the Jews in Iran the Lost Tribes ? The Iranians and the Iranian Jews are living in harmony.




28/03/2013 8:59 AM


Goodmen
Re :   Please help with the CAI Wikipedia article!




How did these Revival churches come about ? Was Pastor Hollins church the first church or it was detached from another ?


28/03/2013 8:30 AM

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