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(Date Posted:07/06/2008 11:17 PM)
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See "the age" - 'preacher who preyed on his flock' article.

The whole thing is very sad really, i sort of feel for Glen too, i mean read Simon L comments " he will be kicked out if found guilty" where is the love of God in that, i mean yea sure he needs to be dealt with, but for "the Church" to punish him further is horrendous, this is up to the laws of the land, the church should be there to council him and his family ( not to say what they should be doing for those burnt by this whole horrible thing) but no push them away let it not tarnish there precious reputation, what a joke and a sad indictment on the christian church as a whole.

To those that have been burnt by this whole thing I am so sorry that you  have gone through this and i pray that you have restitution.
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(Date Posted:09/06/2008 1:06 AM)


Gold Coast preacher accused of fleecing flock

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2008/06/08/1212863418340.html
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:11/06/2008 6:54 PM)

This story is sad and yet not really unexpected of people, whether pastors or not, who put other things eg money/power before God.

Because they do not KNOW God and are therefore lacking in so many areas of their lives, they look to gain their power through wealth or by whatever means to compensate.

I am very sorry for all the people that have been hurt by this man and ultimately by the RCI for not taking a stand.

I have seen similar things happen in RF because of greed - in fact my family personally experienced a similar thing, and yet when brought to the attention of the oversight, we were told the usual, 'pray about it' and 'you can't take your brother to court'.  This man has since been raised up to a position of house leader even though the oversight are aware of the money he owes us (and others)

The only consolation is that he will one day have to answer to the Lord for his actions (as we all will) - meanwhile we've lost our money and it was not an inconsiderable amount. We have chosen not to pursue it further and to forgive him the debt as God forgave our debts although it was a struggle at times to truly forgive.

The scriptures tell us that what we have lost will be restored to us and we will receive a 'double portion'.  To all those who have been hurt by this man, hold on to these promises of God. When we know the character of God, we know that He keeps His promises to us and that He is a God of restoration.

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:11/06/2008 10:35 PM)

 I remember when they first come along, young enthusiastic lads.  Glenn had gotten himself in trouble before that anyway, and was temporarily put out of the church and then come back.  Matt Duker has always been an absolutely lovable person, unlike his brother.  But I am surprised Matt has gotten off so lightly, where did that money come from for that new Lexus SUV come from?  Being a director surely he knew of what was going on?  But, Matt has always been - or come across as - just a lovable person, so i am glad that he has not gone down too hard. 

There are many other business dealing in the RCI going on too.  Especially in Melbourne.  Hopefully this is a big wakeup call.  I will quizz my ex-wife today about how much of this is going around internally.  I would be intested to know how much of a coverup and what spin has been  put on it internally.
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:12/06/2008 8:02 AM)

 What do you mean had gotten into trouble and temporarily been put out?
 Was this to do with bringing business in the church?
If it were it would seem there is a long known history of Glenn's dubious business propositions. 

Why is it that you cant have a tupperware party (actually that is something to be thankful for- One of their better rules) 
but he has been able to canvas his business up and down the East Coast without anyone stopping him. Although from the article it seems that a lot of his business was actually done with those that should have stopped him-The Pastors.


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:12/06/2008 6:22 PM)

 That's interesting that they help the Pastors (F) who had actual contractual business deals but turn their back on the family that naively tried to help G (lent him money and signed loans) because they were the whistle blowers and wouldn't be silent because they were left exposed with no contract only his promises. One family had their house repossessed by the bank because he(GD) defaulted on the loans and they could no longer cary the debt. Bet S didn't mention that one! There is a difference between business going bad and coping it on the chin and some one being deceptive and defrauding and using his position of trust to his advantage.  These are the things that need to be revealed and as most things eventually they are seen for what they truly are.


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:15/06/2008 11:05 PM)

 RVP Group Ltd / GLENN DUKER has liquidated his company.  A creditors meeting will be held this Friday 20.06.08. If you or some one you know has had ANY business with Glenn Duker,even if it were a few years ago, you may have either A) a capital gains tax or B) GST tax Debt in your name or C) Owed money as a creditor eg: unpaid Account. 
 DO NOT ASSUME YOU DONT HAVE A DEBT.  CHECK with AUSTRALIAN TAX DEPT' ring  JOHN LYNN directly on  07 32135159. Not all debts have been processed and sent out, so you may be totally unaware like everyone else who are now receiving final notices from the ATO. Once he liquidates it is too late ACT NOW. You may have even already paid a Tax debt that was not truly yours to pay. 
If you require assistance leave your details at:     creditorsagainstglennduker@hotmail.com 


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:22/06/2008 1:17 AM)

 Since the publication of The Age article, over 5 Million dollars worth of creditors came forward  and were represented at fridays creditors  meeting- about 25 people signed proxies against GD.  GD had 3.  Although interestingly PSL recently  vehemently claimed  "90% of the people GD's done business with think he's fine."   What an ignorant lie fed to the people!                                                                                Most of these debts are not simply business deals  gone bad as some  would like you to simply believe - especially when 3 Pastors have been directors of the company and another 4 have done numerous business ventures with him - no wonder PSL tried to make it go away by blaming GD's victims that spoke out, so much easier to be rid of insignificant members, -makes it difficult to deal quietly with 7 Pastors when others are making noise and drawing attention to the facts. 
  (Hard to hide things under the carpet when there are people standing on the carpet pointing at the dirt!!)                                                                      
 Until the articles publication several of the Pastors concerned didn't know the truth to what or why they had received these tax debts and had been instructed (PSL)to pay unquestioned as 'punishment' for doing business in the church, in essence aiding and allowing them to be defrauded and deceived by GD.        This is  about 'alleged' fraud, lies and deception concerning illegally claimed tax credits 'allegedly' without peoples knowledge and other questionable activities that will soon be revealed for all to see.        On friday whilst bankruptcy on GD's behalf was being declared,  it was revealed that there are another 5 companies owned by RVP with assets - houses/properties and continuing developments  and an additional 5 properties in their personal names and Trusts- outcome- liquidator embarrassed for not investigating their said claim of bankruptcy and was removed. Proving their only bankruptcy is of telling the truth.The  Solicitor representing the 25 creditors appointed a liquidator and now has control of the liquidation.
 "He who walks in integrity, walks securely. But he who perverts his ways will be found out." Proverbs 10:9
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:22/06/2008 6:50 PM)

So the Revival Centres International is now under reproach... But what else has been going on all these years since 1958 that has somehow been "swept under the carpet" that has been totally unknown to the lay ???? ....
 
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:28/06/2008 12:22 AM)

"Maybe worth getting in touch with the network to see if  they wanna do a follow up on another dangerous Australian cult?"

With that Comment in mind...Sunday's Melbourne Age will be printing another article tomorrow concerning Glenn Duker and  the liquidation of his company.
 Many people who were owed money were alerted to Glenn's plan of liquidation and false claims of bankruptcy after seeing the Age Article. 25 people, owed between $5-6 Million dollars signed proxy against GD. GD had Himself and 2 relatives. Yet PSL has continually told the RCI people and was quoted in the Age claiming that "90% of the people that have done business with Glenn think he's fine!!!" 
What an ignorant lie!! 

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:28/06/2008 2:35 AM)

 At the Sunday meeting at convention, Simon briefly mentioned the Age article. He glibly glossed over it and many of his minions had  absolutely no idea what he was talking about.  He stated in words to the effect  that at least the paper had  spelt his name correctly and  had  accurately published the main belief of the assembly. i.e speaking in tongues to be saved. He also said the he would be standing by and supporting Matt and that the law of the land would judge Glenn. Many of the members that did manage to read the article were really shocked at the serious nature of it and  were appalled at Simon's   flippant mismanagement of the whole affair. For some it was an absolute revealation about the  hypocrisy of the R.C.I and  they opted to leave.  Some of the more naive members think it is totally exaggerated and are saying you can't believe everything you read in the papers Many others are just marking time waiting to see the outcome.
Surely Matt must have been aware of what was going on?
Exactly how many RCI members have lost money through being involved in Glenn's scheme?



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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:28/06/2008 9:00 AM)

Im told about 10-13 in RCI are affected, then it extends to associated family members, public and contractors.
Some RCI  people have stayed very quiet and not come forward about their involvement especially the Pastors.
There is a lot more to this situation, it is not about unwise investments and people whining as SL would simply like everyone to believe. 
A lot of the people involved are ordinary reasonable Mum and Dads or are approaching retirement and most would accept  there is some risk in property investing but  people don't accept fraud, lies and deceptive behavior. Some have said the sincere spiel was convincing and comforting, the reassurances from a Pastor gave them a confidence they might not have had other wise.
GD has allegedly procured tax credits not legally entitled to, allegedly claiming non existent partnerships, people had no idea until they started receiving letters of final demand from the ATO, meanwhile he's quickly liquidating his company. 
Until the Article some of the Pastors involved didn't even realize what these debts were that they were expected to pay.
Some allegedly have capital Gains tax($100K+) on properties that they received no return of funds on but have attracted capital gains as it is shown to have been in profit. Others were not business deals at all but naively allowed GD to put houses in their names thinking they were helping him, with no monetary interest or gain of their own and now they are left with his GST and capital gains tax. He begged those people for their help and this is how he repaid them. 
Although peoples situations and experiences are varied the common thread amongst the victims are the alleged continual lies, broken promises of payment and pure deception even up until the liquidation. 
These are just a small example of alleged charges.
So much has been revealed and substantial evidence is stacking up against him.
PSL was warned years ago over another situation, if he didn't stop GD canvassing in the church it would have dire ramifications implicating  the church and that is exactly what has happened.
Instead of protecting and aiding him, if the proper channels were taken out side the church instead of threatening and silencing people for speaking the truth, some of these families wouldn't be facing losing their homes or their retirement funds or savings to free themselves of these ill gained debts. 
It makes you wonder what else they have hushed up over the years.
It's so much more convenient to blame the people that walk away- it's not like anyones going to talk to them to find out the other side of the story. It makes me wonder what injustices I have personally thought of others by not asking the simple question of -Why?
Instead of following the law SL and VS allegedly wanted to control it and hush it up but it doesn't just involved the little world of RCI there are bigger parties involved that have no concern towards RCI and have no intention of walking away until it's finished.
MD is a Director as is GD and his wife LD, all have allegedly participated and are equally responsible and each should be held accountable to the full extent of the law, there is another pastor that was a director at the time he is said  alsoto be  implicated.

I thought SL showed his true colors a bit more openly than usual that Sunday, and a lot of people I spoke with were totally disgusted and as said above further confirmed the hypocrisies within RCI. 

We just thought it was strange he told people to read the paper- you just cant buy that sort of advertising!!!!




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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
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http://www.theage.com.au/national/church-may-face-scrutiny-over-failed-investment-20080628-2yk4.html?page=-1


 Church may face scrutiny over failed investment
  • Michael Bachelard
  • June 29, 2008

THE role of the fundamentalist church Revival Centres International in a failed property development company could come under scrutiny in the NSW Supreme Court, as creditors owed almost $6 million queue up to find out what went wrong.

Glenn and Matthew Duker, the two former directors of RVP Group, a failed Gold Coast property development company, were pastors of the Melbourne-based church. Five pastors in total, including the church's deputy leader, Vic Samoilenko, were investors, as were many of their flock.

Victims have told The Sunday Age they invested in the high-risk venture, without seeking independent advice, because they trusted the Dukers. Common law recognises that the relationship between religious leader and parishioner is of greater influence even than that between parent and child.

But RVP Group's former auditor, retired Melbourne accountant Allan Walker, suggested investors had been "stupid".

"Who is being stupid here? … You're spending more than half a million dollars on a house … I mean, how in God's name can you sign a document … where you're handing over control? … Would you not seek both legal and accounting advice on it?" Mr Walker said.

The church and its leader, Pastor Simon Longfield, continue to stand by the Dukers, instead ostracising the complainants, Craig and Sue Williams, and forcing them out of the church.

On the day three weeks ago that The Sunday Age revealed the allegations against RVP Group, Mr Longfield told an assembly of the faithful in Melbourne that they would support Matthew Duker, to which the other pastors replied "Amen". Mr Longfield then invited Mr Duker to lead the communion.

But liquidator Bruce Gleeson told The Sunday Age: "I want to look at whether or not there was any misusage of the church group they belonged to."

He is checking documents and will interview the current company director, Glenn Duker's wife, Lorilea. As well as the church, he will also consider Supreme Court examinations for Mr Walker and Mr Duker's legal advisers.

The Duker family has declined to comment, but Mr Walker, who has been a friend of the family for decades as well as RVP Group auditor, said they had authorised him to speak. He said that everyone was "fighting over a skeleton, because there are no assets there".

It was likely that Glenn and Lorilea Duker would go into bankruptcy as a result of the collapse. They, and other family members, had poured their father Jim's inheritance into the company and lost it, he said.

"The main person who has been burned is probably (Glenn Duker)," Mr Walker said. "To the tune of $10-$20 million … He's had probably 500 breakdowns in the past two weeks … he's been presented as a bad person, and I don't think he is a bad person. I think Glenn in some ways has been probably over-Christian, and not been a big enough bastard."

Mr Walker blamed aggrieved investor and former RVP Group employee Craig Williams for the mess.

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:29/06/2008 3:11 AM)

 Mr Allan Walker in the Age Article said "He's had probably 500 breakdowns in the past two weeks" 

I calculate that  including in his sleep GD has a nervous breakdowns  about every 40 minutes.
Now considering AW is an Accountant and he's suppose to be good with Numbers, as thats what Accountants do, now he either exaggerates excessively or has no idea. 

Maybe he should speak to one of GD's victims that truly has had a Nervous Breakdown.

Maybe thats how AW managed to signed off on the Auditing of RVP, claiming it was financially sound and declared RVP wasn't in financial difficulty and could continue trading and paying its debts only a matter of weeks before planning the Liquidation and there is a big question over AW's involvement financially in the above said company and the conflict of interest as it's 'Independent' Auditor who has also been a family friend for decades. 
Oh but hang on a past employee CW that left 3 years ago caused all this mess....
Funny but I can hear Kylie Mole saying "Dolly did it!!!" 

And as far as 'G not being a big enough Bastard' 
GD has left a recently widowed woman in her 60's, near pensioner holding a huge GST tax debt 'allegedly' GD illegally claimed credits , under the guise of a non existent partnership to which she had no knowledge of the claim or where the funds were deposited to, until she received a final demand from the ATO and while GD is assuring her "I've got a top tax lawyer dealing with it",  In fact the GST debt was  not being disputed at all, as it was not in RVP's interest, meanwhile GD was knowingly falsely assuring her he was dealing with it, GD was in the process of liquidating his company, and blatantly leaving her and all the others holding his debts to the ATO. 
Got the Bastard T shirt  and wrote the Bastard book- yep he's got that one pretty well covered, thanks!


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:29/06/2008 11:49 PM)

All,

Sadly in all of this the RCI and its senior leadership once again demonstrates that much vaunted of Christian virtues--grace! God abandoned them long ago. Perhaps now so too will the people.

God bless,

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:12/07/2008 12:56 AM)

I have just heard ( second hand ) that SL did put his own money in GD business.  Just as we all suspected.

No names no packdrill of course......  :)
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I have just heard ( second hand ) that SL did put his own money in GD business.  Just as we all suspected.

Well if this second-hand information is actually true (something that is yet to be established), such would invariably make Simon one heck of a hypocrite, wouldn't it?

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:17/07/2008 6:52 AM)

I know Matthew and Glenn Duker quite well.

Does anyone know if Matthew is still Pastor of the southern assembly or has P Ian Pask taken over again?

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:17/07/2008 5:36 PM)

Good morning, all.

I find the 'sudden' muck-raking that's been taking place here (and in the chat-room) of late to be particularly interesting. To begin with we have a situation that's well-and-truly in the Public Domain, that is, the apparently criminal behaviour of two RCI pastors with respect to questionable business dealings (with the collateral involvment of other RCI pastors in the affair recently coming to light). Naturally enough, this has generated a bit of topical discussion over the past few weeks, discussion which has now led to 'quid-pro-quo' accusations of a completely different sort being aired against particular individuals (e.g. homosexuality, the conceiving of children out of wedlock, etc). However, the principle discussion has focussed on the questionable ethics of certain RCI shepherds, men who by dint of their 'callings' require a far higher level of ethical and moral probity than is required of 'ordinary' believers. Well, at least insofar as Scripture is concerned.

Is it not interesting that now the RCI has come 'under the pump' in a truly public sense--with said exposure being completely of their own doing--that instead of acts of contrition, acceptance of error coupled with apology we note behaviour of the sort more befitting the unregenerate? Interesting to be sure, but hardly surprising.

I would suggest the following: even if such claims of immorality as have been levelled against certain forum members were true, significant responsibility for such can be placed squarely at the door of the RCI. Why? The answer is simple. Theology leads to ethics which leads to morality. The RCI's theology is so off-kilter that it concerns itself more with outward displays of the supposedly 'supernatural' than it does with the quiet display of the fruits of inwards, personal regeneration. Or to put things differently, given that RCI theology isn't Christian, why should there be the expectation that Christian behaviour
is what results? Unchristian RCI theology has led to unchristian ethics, which has been outworked in unchristian morality. We see such profoundly displayed in the behaviour of the Dukers, we see such profoundly displayed in the "don't blame us" approach of the senior RCI leadership; so why should such not have been the case with other former Revivalist pew-sitters? The principle difference, as I see it, is the potential for change that occurs post-exit. Those who have intentionally removed themselves from the unchristian influence of the RCI, and who have intentionally sought to be influenced within the sphere of the Christian Church, stand a far greater chance of displaying Christian grace and regeneration into the future than do those who choose to remain.

God bless,

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:03/08/2008 9:03 PM)

The informant tells me that he was in the congregation at Box Hill on Sunday.
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:04/08/2008 4:50 PM)

 Oh what great news!

I bet they can't wait to shake his hand and say - there, there brother Glenn!

The prodigal's son has returned home!  That's what Simon's talk is going to be on - hold on wait - news hot off the press - no it's the wandering wan- I mean wandering apostle!  He has come to do the prodigals son talk for Simon!  Added bonus feature, all the ranting, raving and yelling at no extra cost that any RCI people will know about!

There will even be a collection just for Glenn, so he won't have to make a withdrawal when the bag goes around.

And because I have been put out - I get to miss all of this.  Darn.

Such yummy spiritual food - yum yum yum.

( a little satire won't hurt will it)?
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:05/08/2008 6:08 AM)

 A relative of a Rci member started a  'promised' 12month to completion venture on a  property  EIGHT years ago.
Every promise made to pay the debt's related and  release them  have been broken over and over and over.  
Because the property was in their name, they have  received a notice they are being Sued for over $100K by some bloke that GD alledgedly took a deposit on the sale of this property, apparently the finance that GD badly organized had a short fall and the purchaser couldn't cover it-hence sale fell over.
 Question: Guess who didn't  return the deposit to the purchaser, so where is the money now? and the bank has repossessed the property so the family have lost that too. 
This poor family has been tormented and held at his ransom for eight years with no way out. Add insult to injury they have also been left  the ATO debts that were 'allegedly' illegally claimed.
Even for the likes of S who knows these stories but choses not to believe them, how can he even stoop to the depths to support such wicked scum. 
These people have been devastated as have other families but RCI dont care and presume some righteous position in publicly declaring their support of the persons who have committed these acts. They should be so ashamed of the part they have played in this ordeal. 
I wonder if they will be shouting their support when all the evidence is being revealed in the Supreme Court? 


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(Date Posted:05/08/2008 8:13 PM)

Hi, OoE.

It kind of makes it very difficult to take RCI "pastoring" seriously, doesn't it? smiley12

Blessings,

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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:05/08/2008 10:23 PM)

 Hi Ian,

Probably part of my 'disappointment' in them not just as Pastors (they certainly show no evidence for justifying the wearing of that label!) but even just as basic human beings was expecting them to see right from wrong.
And my biggest 'lesson' learnt is that you can never predict someone else's behavior or depend on some ones actions.


 
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:05/08/2008 11:34 PM)

 Is that for real???? a toupee- that would be sad but it's just too funny. 

He had to ask his wife 16 times to marry him- yep that's love at First sight, I mean Second  er Third umm Fourth, maybe  Fifth  what about Sixth,  or Seventh-I'll throw in a BMW....Eight -what about multiple properties at other people expense..... Ninth -I'll take you on a first class trip to America while I can't afford to pay out investors eight months past their due date ...and finally the Sixteenth, and I can hear him singing " She dont care about my car, and she dont care about my money, She loves me- for me or not because Im such a hotty'  

Yeah 'Blink' and wake-up!


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:10/08/2008 2:09 AM)

 Your so right Brolga, there are many scriptures appropriate in James, I re-read them this morning after reading your post but like the many  scripture presented to Simon on this situation and  even other situations -it will fall on deaf ears- my sheep know my voice, which possibly explains his position.
A  favorite scripture  is 'Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Gal 4:6

Since the take over of the RVP's liquidation, there have been other people coming forward realizing the recent promises GD has been making of payment have been just ploys holding them off till he liquidated and went into hiding.
Members of the GC Assembly had no idea that they had even gone, some were informed and told  by the Pastor S.MC (also a Former Director of RVP) to keep it quiet. Why all the secrecy?
Why are RCI continuing to embroil themselves further in this mans failed and very questionable business.
The reasons for his hiding? apart from some threats to his personal safety, he apparently took an AVO out on one person who he owes about $1 Mil,  (in retrospect ripping Melbourne Mob type guys off probably wasn't one of his smartest ideas-apparently a boxer!). But seems he has never been concerned with where money came from just as long as he got it to pay off the last bloke chasing him.  so they are playing hide an seek. 
If he was as innocent as he and SL claims you would think he would want to face his accusers- all  of them but instead continues to be difficult and evasive. 

An honest man has no need to hide from the Law. 


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 Evil men  prosper when good men do nothing to stop them.

So many have sat back in silence.

By not voicing your disapproval,

Your silence is your given approval.


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 Interestingly as the Supreme Court case approaches (early Nov), so far the only person who might not be there is the very one responsible and in question.
GD is keeping his whereabouts hush hush to avoid being served. V, S and others have been subpoenaed and will be facing interrogation on the stand, while G hides trying to delay the inevitable, what sort of man would let others face court concerning his business and allegations of illegal activity and he not even have the decency to answer for himself the accusations.
A bailiff even turned up at Box Hill on a Sunday, but Gd was  either not there as claimed by members or tipped off, hid or fled.
But then in retrospect he sent his wife in alone to the Liquidation meeting of RVP to face the Creditors and the ATO Representatives, the Media and deal with the humiliation of being caught out in front of them all, on a false claim of bankruptcy. Again he was no where to be found. It seems he will hide and use anyone to  shield himself to avoid taking responsibility for his actions.
You would think S would instruct him to finish this mess and take responsibility, face your accusers, an innocent man doesnot need to fear the law and hide from it. 
Somebody needs to 'out him' so  this show can get on the  road and we can get on with our lives instead of prolonging it with avoidance games.
If GD believes his Innocence as he claims- be Christ like. Did Christ avoid Gethsemane, he was innocent and faced his accusers. Christ was raised victorious.
Or maybe the part of Judas is more apt holding the money bag while betraying your Brethren with a kiss.


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
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  The preacher who preyed for gain http://www.theage.com.au/national/church-may-face-scrutiny-over-failed-investment-20080628-2yk4.html?page=-1

Other investors got the bad news a few months ago, when GST bills of up to $70,000, 


This GST Debt refers to Tax Credits claimed by a Partnership between RVP and a private person. The people who received these debts claim they had no idea a ABN number or a Partnership existed till they received GST Bills claiming incorrect claims had been made until after -RVP had been  Liquidated. The ATO had been attempting to recover the money from RVP for a over a year, of course when the ATO could not recover the funds from RVP they sent demands of final notice to the people who claim they had no knowledge of the ABN's  or claims and certainly had not received any of the ill gotten gains.

 Waiting on a Government department is learning patience in it's self, but  now as these things are being revealed -patience truly is a virtue. 
The first batch of investigations being made  by the ATO have resulted in the Private entities being released from the Debts and not being held responsible to pay back  the Funds taken. 
So far 3 debts investigated resulting in all 3 found not guilty. 
The ATO will now proceed to recover the Debt from the Person who  made the Claims in the first place. 
One of those debts removed is a widower that I have mentioned in an earlier post, it is such a relief and blessing to see the truth rising to the top and innocent people released from a nightmare and able  to recover their lives.
I'm disgusted that the Church didn't stand for the truth but have publicly backed the offenders and persecuted the ones that spoke out.
But from all I have watched and what has been revealed am I surprised?- no not really.
People have been persecuted and maligned for years any one who dared to stand against their agenda. 
Although this has been the most horrendous experience, the best thing to come out of this has been watching a family released from the bondage of RCI and they are regaining their lives and relationships, finding Freedom and a 'real' Joy in their relationship with God. 
Moving on after Bondage.....
Sometimes listening to that small voice, the niggles that tell us something is wrong, people would have you believe that is Satan leading you astray, temptation, the natural man, but we are gifted with discernment- although frequently not exercised.
If you truly block out all your told, the head chatter, stand bare before the Lord as a spiritual being that loves your God not a lover of  RF or RCI or whatever, come with an openness for God, claim that God be true and everyman a liar, listen to what voice you hear- My sheep Know my Voice.

Fast and Seek truth don't just sit- ignorance is not an excuse, nor complacency.

Hardest, scariest is the first step, the decision to leave and saying it out loud.

Is God faithful to those that love the Lord? Always

For those that are perplexed and confused by this situation -just pray for truth.

Truth will set you free.





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Cut and paste as relevant to this thread:

Tiny Little scared Fish in a very Big pond would be an apt description of seeing RCI  Pastors in Court today.

Today is an extremely sad day for those in RCI that held a glimmer of hope that there would be  honor found among them.
After hearing some of the what seemed unnecessary diversions of truth given under oath, it did leave me wondering why- for what gain when evidence to refute false testimony will be so easily exposed in the next round. 
For others it is relief as it confirms  the decision to move away from RC was made with the desire to follow Christ, be Christlike in being so a lover of the Truth.

Scripture to ponder:

2 Thessalonians 2:5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until Heis taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish,because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Ephesians 4:17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

   25 Therefore, putting away lying Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor, for we are members of one another.26 “Be angry, and do not sin” do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.

John 8:44 He does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his ownresources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Proverbs 18:5 It is not good to show partiality to the wicked, 
      Or to overthrow the righteous in judgment.

Proverbs 21:6 Getting treasures by a lying tongue Is the fleeting fantasy of those who seek death. 7 The violence of the wicked will destroy them Because they refuse to do justice. 8 The way of a guilty man is perverse;
 But as for the pure, his work is right.

12 The righteous God wisely considers the house of the wicked, Overthrowing the wicked for their wickedness. 
      

13 Whoever shuts his ears to the cry of the poor 
Will also cry himself and not be heard. 14 A gift in secret pacifies anger, And a bribe behind the back, strong wrath15 It is a joy for the just to do justice, But destruction will come to the workers of iniquity16 A man who wanders from the way of understanding  Will rest in the assembly of the dead. 17 He who loves pleasurewill be a poor man; He who loves wine and oil will not be rich. 18 The wicked shall be a ransom for the righteous, And the unfaithful for the upright. 21 He who follows righteousness and mercy  Finds life, righteousness, and honor. 22 A wise man scales the city of the mighty, And brings down the trusted stronghold. 24 A proud and haughty man—“Scoffer” is his name; He acts with arrogant pride. 26 He covets greedily all day long,  But the righteous gives and does not spare. 27 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination; How much more when he brings it with wicked intent! 
 28 A false witness shall perish,  But the man who hears him will speak endlessly. 29 A wicked man hardens his face, But as for the upright, he establishes his way. 30 There is no wisdom or understanding 
 Or counsel against the LORD. 31 The horse is prepared for the day of battle,

 But deliverance is of the LORD.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

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 Reply to Disciple 
Can you fill us in a little more imfo. Also my other question is: are you able to monitor what is going on..
Disciple  

Being a Public Examination the Court transcript will be available to the public before the end of the year, for all to peruse.
And of course if your in Sydney the proceedings are open to the public to attend tomorrow in the Supreme Court.
This is the first examination, these people are likely to all be called back again pending legal action .

Quick summation of today:
P.SL-   said he didnt bother to read information supplied to him as it was his job to preach the Word of God   even though he had been informed and given evidence that One of His appointed RCI Pastors was defrauding members and the public. 
P.VS- although previously VS assured a Sydney Pastor that he never had Joint Venture arrangements with RVP/Duker, evidence confirmed such arrangements existed. Financials exposed.
P.MD- director of RVP claimed 'Privileges' to each answer to protect his testimony from being used as evidence in Court.
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Reply to Fled

 At the Sunday meeting at convention, Simon briefly mentioned the Age article. He glibly glossed over it and many of his minions had  absolutely no idea what he was talking about.  He stated in words to the effect  that at least the paper had  spelt his name correctly and  had  accurately published the main belief of the assembly. i.e speaking in tongues to be saved. He also said the he would be standing by and supporting Matt and that the law of the land would judge Glenn. Many of the members that did manage to read the article were really shocked at the serious nature of it and  were appalled at Simon's   flippant mismanagement of the whole affair. 


PROVERBS21: 22 A wise man scales the city of the mighty, And brings down the trusted stronghold. 24 A proud and haughty man—“Scoffer” is his name; He acts with arrogant pride.
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 Summary of Day 2:
LD  -Evaded answering, very difficult and blatantly refused to answer questions She was threatened with being held in Contempt of Court.

GD -Evasive and not forthcoming at all. Failed to supply  Subpoenaed information concerning RVP  that was suppose to be handed over at Liquidation. Two weeks to hand Over or will be arrested for Contempt.

Proceedings were Adjourned till 5 Dec 08.

Some one  that was in attendance commented that over the last 2 days of listening to the examinations of PSL, PVS, PMD, GD and LD they could not believe that these people call themselves Christian and that they were ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with RCI.
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P.SL-   said he didnt bother to read information supplied to him as it was his job to preach the Word of God   even though he had been informed and given evidence that One of His appointed RCI Pastors was defrauding members and the public. 


I was just thinking about the testimony PSL gave in Court on Tuesday and it just dawned on me what a vile cop out using the Command to preach the Word as an excuse.

Is it not also the Shepherds job to keep the flock safe from wolves. 

As The Head  Shepherd if you were told that one of your shepherds  that you personally assigned to care for your flock was stealing from your flock and outside the flock and was using the godly guise of the position you gave him to give credibility  to  steal from others sheep  outside your flock- wouldn't you be alarmed to say the least?.
If  you were handed  incriminating evidence,  that confirmed these accusations wouldn't it be of the utmost importance to read them and  assure that there was not a wolf maiming sheep - Wouldn't that also be a most important aspect of being a Shepherd.

PSL said he didn't bother to open it, he had over 100 emails he didn't have time, his jobs to preach the word of God.
He also received the evidence by mail- ignored again.

The Good Shepherd searched through the night PSL couldnt open an email or an envelope.

Maybe it's not the care for the sheep -just the glory position of Head Shepherd is where the care lies, or protecting the financial history of his predecessor.

When PSL was told that this situation was huge and had the potential to blow up in the church and harm innocent people would leave, caught in the cross fire of rumours and choosing sides, PSL's care and concern was "So, People come, people go " 

Q. Are you just a sheep to come or go, at no concern to your Head Shepherd just an expendable sheep? 
The shepherd in the bible fought lions, bears and searched through the night for just one lost little sheep, as apposed to "Sheep come, Sheep go"

This should be a time to really question and answer any doubt you may have people!
The handing down of the Mantle was always questioned and if your honest- still is by many. 

These examinations are clearly showing the 'report' of men.
If your not seeing some one even attempting to be a Christlike Shepherd  maybe your following the wrong flock.





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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:05/11/2008 6:18 PM)

RCI friends,

As you ponder the apparent  "lack of wisdom" and "lack of courage" of your leaders in dealing with this alleged financial scandal, might I suggest two things?

1) There's a whole world of Christianity outside of RCI, that's worth investigating despite the difficulty of untangling a lifetime of connection with your current "church"

2) If your leaders can't deal with something as plain as fiscal responsibility and transparency, what's to suggest they have been "rightly dividing the word of truth" regarding the place of tongues in the New Testament? Trust in their leadership now seems misplaced. Are they worthy of any trust in their teaching of the bible, particularly when 99% plus of Christendom (including almost all other tongues-speakers) say they're wrong? Misled regarding leadership, misled regarding doctrine?
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 These examinations are clearly showing the 'report' of men.
If your not seeing some one even attempting to be a Christlike Shepherd  maybe your following the wrong flock.
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JUST FURTHER THOUGHTS:
Where is our allegiance? 
Is RCI our first Love or are we truly servants of the Almighty Creator and Ultimate Judge.
Do we answer to Man or answer to God, do we fear man or fear God. Do we please man or desire to please God.

You make a choice when you choose to stay silent. 
Is your allegiance  to God or is it to a man? 
Scripture tells us let God be true and every man a liar- almost prophetic after this week.

There are a number of people in RCI that may not even realize they been faced with a decision that actually requires an action.
To stand for God being Truth or Stand with Satan and Falsify a lie.
Will you stand in silent agreement to something you know is not true?

PSL said in his testimony in Court,  the Gold Coast family involved were the first to bring a complaint to him about GD and his business. 
For all of you awho approached PSL prior to and including July 2006, It's your  responsibility to come forward and rectify this seemingly blatant deception before God and man.
I remember hearing of several  complaints prior to this situation.

Make correction now on public record and avoid the humiliation of being revealed as a falsehood to your Brethren by standing in silent agreement further down the track. 
Better to reveal a lie than to be caught in a lie by false testimony.

Ask yourselves who is My God and to whom do I answer, who is my God and who do I serve?
Be righteous for righteousness sake, Where is your honour, your integrity, your truth. 
Are you willing to take on others sins and  by silence  falsifying someone's lie?. 

How my Spirit Grieves for the misplaced loyalties that are so abused- so expendable.

We are to be lovers of the Truth.


You have to choose who you serve God or Mammon? To whom is your devotion?
mammon:wealth regarded as an evil influence or false object of worship and devotion.
Psalm 45:7
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness,

1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2.Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 

Is your silence due to cowardness and are you prepared to answer for it?
Revelation 21:8 
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Those considering compromising themselves for what may be claimed as for 'the sake of protecting the church'- Think! you don't protect something of God by false testimony.
What communion has light with darkness. 
The basic child like simplicity of good v's evil....
truth is good,
lies are evil.
What does it reveal about the heart of a man that lies....
Are there none spiritual left among you? 
Obviously not! as long as you are silent to continue to commune and be led by  liars and defrauders.

Nothing about spiritual abuse is simple, it is subtle. 
The perpetrators may be people who seem like they are seeking to guide you to the deepest levels of spiritual maturity.

Spiritual abuse occurs when someone in a position of spiritual authority,  misuses that authority placing themselves over God’s people to control, coerce or manipulate them for seemingly Godly purposes which are really their own.

Proverbs 21: 28 
 A false witness shall perish,  
 But the man who hears him will speak endlessly.

 1 Corinthans 7:23 
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:16/11/2008 6:47 PM)

Jeremiah 23:1-4
 “What sorrow awaits the leaders of my people—the shepherds of my sheep—for they have destroyed and scattered the very ones they were expected to care for,” says the Lord.

 2 Therefore, this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says to these shepherds: “Instead of caring for my flock and leading them to safety, you have deserted them and driven them to destruction. Now I will pour out judgment on you for the evil you have done to them.I will visit and attend to you for the evil of your doings, 3 But I will gather together the remnant of my flock from the countries where I have driven them. I will bring them back to their own sheepfold, and they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 Then I will appoint responsible shepherds who will care for them, and they will never be afraid again. Not a single one will be lost or missing. I, the Lord have spoken!

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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:01/12/2008 6:44 AM)


Public Examinations continue:
This Friday 5 Dec 08. 10 am,
Sydney Supreme Court, 184 Phillip St Sydney, Level 3.
The Matter between Bruce Gleeson(Liquidator) and RVP Group, being Glenn Duker, Matthew Duker and Lorilea Duker Directors.
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:06/12/2008 7:24 AM)

Just a bit of information, will hopefully have more by tomorrow evening as a few contacts were in attendance.

Fridays 'guest' appearances were more concerning the business practices and responsibilities of the 3'Dukers as the Directors of RVP, the  preparing and signing off on false declarations and submitting false financial statements.

The Confirmation of 'one' being a Solicitor  and him being  fully aware that these  documents and financial statements he prepared were based on fabricated numbers. 

Confirmation of the breach of the Corporations Act and again as a Solicitor should have full knowledge of such laws.
It was revealed by the Examiner that A.S.I.C is pending Criminal Prosecution against GD and his Accountant.  
(To not report suspected breaches is an offense, VS &PSL acting as Pastors told members not to report to ASIC but leave him to continue trading).
Breach of Professional conduct  against GD.
There will be a return expected of funds from 2 Pastors that received  'preferential' payments from RVP assets. (VS & CF)

G  claimed physical threats were made against his wife in attempting to not comply with stating his address for the Court, unable to substantiate any such threat or name any such person he was forced to comply or be found in contempt.
G attempted to Slander and  malign those that  spoke the truth about his fraudulent activities and the deplorable way he was treating people.
Even though these claims have  been substantiated, he still fails to take any responsibility or show any remorse or repentance and worse still the RCI Oversight still support and one of the offenders is still a Pastor.

I recently was able to read the initial emails and correspondence that was sent to PSL & VS over 3 years ago concerning this  ordeal.
Like others that have followed this situation with  interest am astounded that such hard evidence was  ignored and perversely handled by PSL & VS but those that spoke up were  persecuted and used as a virtual scapegoat for these mens profits.
I found the Correspondence between one family and G was distressing to read, the contradictions given from one response to another, blatant broken promises and lies with absolutely no concern for how he treated people was just void of any moral conscience, these people were held to emotional and financial ransom for months with lie after lie, while G took his family on a First Class Holiday to the USA on money that he owed other people.
It is disgusting that the D's were supported in any way by OverSight as Said before it is the exact example of preferring the wicked over the just. 
That surmounts to birds of a feather flock together. 

There has been a huge injustice committed here in the treatment of the people that dared to stand against the odds but spoke the truth because it was the right thing to do. In revealing these truths many people have been released from huge debts that were falsely claimed in their names without their knowledge.

The Transcript is available as public record and will be posted when released.

Some of us still have family that we are emotionally and physically separated from due to the harsh stand RCI takes. RCI claim to put people out of fellowship so  the Lord can find their church without spot or blemish- or put 'offenders' out for the destruction of the flesh. Yet this situation orchestrated by 2 Pastors and  involving so many other Pastors that enforce these above said rules, have supported and participated in the spreading of  a filthy aggressive cancer on what they would claim to be Gods people and Church. 
It's time to start looking at the Report of the men that claim to caring for the sheep. 
I don't see my God being reflected in any of these mens testimonies, attitude's or actions.



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Allegation big and small,
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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:06/12/2008 6:52 PM)

I have been informed that there is action also being taken against GD/RVP for other dealings, I won't say anymore as I am not sure if the summons has been handed, it was suppose to be on Friday (the only time they could find him).

I think it's terrible that this sort of rubbish actually happens in churches. As far as I know people go to churches to learn about God, Jesus etc.etc... Not get invovled in dealings and stealings. Is that what churches are about now days???
I have noticed on the news over the years this sort of thing happening more and more, what? don't people have enough money or are they using churches to boost their income?

Sack tham all I say!

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I have been informed that there is action also being taken against GD/RVP for other dealings, I won't say anymore as I am not sure if the summons has been handed, it was suppose to be on Friday (the only time they could find him).

I think it's terrible that this sort of rubbish actually happens in churches. As far as I know people go to churches to learn about God, Jesus etc.etc... Not get invovled in dealings and stealings. Is that what churches are about now days???
I have noticed on the news over the years this sort of thing happening more and more, what? don't people have enough money or are they using churches to boost their income?

Sack tham all I say!


The Bailiff turned up with the Summons to be served just after G had left. 
His address was secured this time.

There is another Solicitor(Debt Collector) who has  collected over $100,000 of dollars  Glenn owed to  people that have NO affiliation with RCI. 
We only hear these RCI involved situations due to our association and  family in  RCI, we have heard only a small portion of what the Ds in their dismal and unethical business have  allegedly done to people for many years. 
People from the Ds past are claiming information of dubious business practices that have continued for years and are just the norm wether legal or ethical doesn't seem to be a consideration. 
The D's Business practices could be compared to an open vein, the bleeding out of others money is of no concern as there has been an open slather of transfusions available, 
the family fortune is said to have tipped in Millions over the years, his facade as a trust worthy man of God assured assembly and non assembly folk the safety of some one honorable who had their best interests at heart, and the assembly member who was also an employee who foolishly gave G help when G portrayed himself as a Pastor/brother in desperate need of financial assistance of short term loans.
When the dates to return funds and release their names from debts, out came the man who is now being revealed  before the Courts, very different to the  Pastor that convincingly begged for their help with such sincerity and humble  thanks. 
Similar situation to the poor Pensioner/Widow who G is said to have sincerely assured he was fighting this ATO debt on her behalf, a debt left jointly in her name with RVP (Alleged GST Credits claimed and kept by RVP without her knowledge) during the same week he was knowingly liquidating his company, knowingly lying to  her leaving her responsible to pay the  debt of ill gotten gains.
There are too few words to describe the depth of filthy greed of these people, no moral conscience and still not even after being revealed has any remorse been shown.
Total psychopathic blindness to  wrongs, and the delusion further justified by the support of PSL and VS on behalf of RCI.
The Church is the perfect feeding ground, full of trusting vulnerable people, who like to see the good in people, who would give the shirt off their back to some one in distress or need, blindly obedient, told not to judge, not to speak ill of someone to another brother and with that cloak of silence guaranteed - church folk are like sheep that can be picked off one by one if nobody cries WOLF!
There are sheep that have been bitten by this wolf and they sit, some have lied, others just too gutless to stand up and cry wolf - the blood of others are on their hands.


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RE:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 4:05 AM)

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People from the Dukers past are starting to come forward with information  of dubious business practices that have continued for years and are just the norm wether legal or ethical doesn't seem to be a consideration.
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Glenn has employed many a RCI member in the past. Who are these people that are coming foward now?
What I  just cannot fathom is why Simon L is defending him so staunchly. Does he have money invested in his scheme?


The gleaming BMW that quitly prowled into the Frankston Assembly car park today held none other than Glenn D with his family in tow.  The Frankston Assembly was where Glenn began his rapid rise through the RCI ranks. He was originally sent to Frankston as  both  a house leader and young peoples leader.  In the past on most Sundays it would be the norm  to see him and the area leader up to their  usual routine, namely to  haul  people aside and berate and harangue them  for some minor breach of Assembly protocol.   One of them would then scurry off to consult  wth the pastor and then hurry back  with the pastor"s verdict and then they would continue  to carry on their intimidating and menacing tactics.
Not so today. He sat towards  the back at the meeting. At the break he sat with all his friends.....His brother Matt and family.
Maybe he figures the creditors and bailiff will not find him in Frankston.
One can only wonder what he prayed about at prayer time.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 6:40 AM)

 Maybe he figures the creditors and bailiff will not find him in Frankston.

All the said facts and evidence really is astounding isn't it, 6 Million owed to Creditors, Supreme Court Examinations (next one in Feb) Pending prosecution from ASIC, Fraudulently claimed GST Credits -prosecution pending, more summons being served, 27 Creditors, Falsely claimed bankruptcy revealing numerous properties, not complying with Court Orders and still in Fellowship. 
What ever reasoning is used to keep them in, one thing for sure is it has nothing to do with Scriptures or God.
Liars and defrauders are to be removed. 
Mark 10:18
You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not
steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ 

All the evidence and witnesses but some how these verses and many others are not  applicable to  the D's, maybe it's about time the members started questioning why the protecting of con men. 


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(Date Posted:07/12/2008 4:01 PM)

Good morning, OoE.

It's truly ironic, isn't it, watching the most senior of the RCI's leadership patently not practicing what they've long demanded (i.e. "preached") of others? Consider, for decades they've (mis)quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:22, "abstain from all appearance of evil", claiming the verse to mean that one must be so absolutely "squeaky clean" as to be above any and all possibility of outward reproach (for the "gospel's" sake, one presumes). Of course the verse teaches nothing of the sort. It's actually an admonishment to avoid entering into sinful acts if and when they present: "abstain from engaging in evil, each time it appears" is a far better translation.

So I'm led to wondering just how many of the "little people" have been cast out of fellowship over the years for much less than the amazing degree of greed, hypocrisy and outright dishonesty displayed by certain of the notable, well-heeled and well-placed within the RCI "glitterazzi"? Clearly what are rules for some, are apparently little more than guidelines for others; the emphasis being wholly dependent upon which "class" one belongs to within the communion.

A quote attributed to St Jerome (4th century) sums up matters perfectly, "flee from those shepherds who are also men of business!" Indeed.

God bless,

Ian



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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:07/12/2008 9:03 PM)

Hi Outa

Thanks for keeping us 'posted' on this matter. It is such an eye-opener to me. One rule for the chiefs, another for the indians, ah? To think how many have been made to feel unworthy because they may have committed a minor infringement of guidelines/laws that shouldn't really exist.

Like Ian said above, the "little people" being "cast out". Makes me want to revert to my full name (Spitchips) today just thinking of it.

Glad tidings to you and yours.

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I wonder if they really understand the scope of what have happened here. It must be frustrating for the people that can see the big picture.
Why is the next examination on the 9th of feb? what happens to the people that are owned money until then, they keep paying interest on the debts?
Looks like a massive disaster.

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I wonder if they really understand the scope of what have happened here. It must be frustrating for the people that can see the big picture.Why is the next examination on the 9th of feb? what happens to the people that are owned money until then, they keep paying interest on the debts?Looks like a massive disaster.

I'm not sure what happens as far as debt are concerned, but if people have taken out loans they must be having to  make repayments– banks wait for no man!. 
I hear some are  doing it extremely hard, recovery is more than just financial.
 
The final notice ATO debts (GST credits claimed) have been frozen whilst under objection, but there would be costs incurred to those people in having to object/legals/accounting etc. 
Some people have been released from these ATO debts responsibility which would have to be such a relief.
I doubt anyone could  have foreseen the depths of this and the ramifications, it seems to be a tangled web of numerous ploys and cons and the epitome of greed and power. 
One thing seems clear the o/s should have never attempted to control it  and should have let it be handled outside the church by people with professional knowledge and expertise.
PLL always said we stand at the door of the church. 
In this case the money changes were invited in and given refuge- not quite how Jesus handled the money changes in the temple.

They were warned it had the potential to blow up in the church if they continued to involve themselves, as there were already so many Pastors involved (7), 3 Pastors  being Directors of the company and then the involvement of members and families all somehow connected to RCI but just like  other complaints made about the same person years earlier to this situation they ignored the advice. 

I imagine even people involved would have had  little concept of the depth and the enormity of what is unfolding. 
It seems more and more keeps coming to the surface as time passes. The big picture seems to be getting bigger!
The Lords timing is perfect. 
All we had heard in RCI at the beginning  was a  family that supposedly had their neck in knots and some how this mess was all their fault. 
But now we know there are something like 27 Creditors, others with negative past experiences and debts owed to them, Responsibility of the claimed GST Credit Debts being removed from the clients, Pending Action from ASIC and ATO,  Court Action being taken by individuals and Supreme Court Action for the Creditor Group and there are people still in the church with bad past experiences who should speak out- sounds like a rat, looks like a rat, is a rat! 
If the substance wasn't there surely none of this would be happening- you dont have ASIC, ATO and Supreme Court breathing down your neck for the fun of it. 

 What I dont get is if O/S make decisions and behaved for less than honorably, when it became  obvious that has happened, wouldn't you want to put your hand up and go you know what, we got it wrong and do everything in your power to right the situation to the best of your ability, but I've noticed the opposite response, so have others I speak to, more anger and outrage because something they tried to play down and hush up is gathering momentum as the truth is revealed bringing their involvement and behavior into scrutiny and question.



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(Date Posted:09/12/2008 3:48 PM)

Good morning, OoE.

I'm confident that the various "pastors" involved in this dirty little scam will get their comeuppance. For starters, each of them has irreparably damaged his own reputation and standing in the eyes of the RCI "flock", having been fully and patently exposed for complicity and duplicitous conduct in certain questionable dealings. Next, of course, the issue has gone public and the public attention can only escalate over the coming weeks and months. Consequently the RCI is no longer simply that "quirky little group down the road"; they will be forever known as that "quirky little group down the road who are scam merchants". As an aside, perhaps you can remember the hoopla and damage done in 1987, when the RCI was labeled a "cult" in a prominent women's magazine? Well, the impact of the current scandal will certainly be far greater than the former; Mr and Mrs Average Australian care more about this sort of thing than they do the "Armageddon date setting" nonsense of Lloyd R. Longfield!

From my perspective, the RCI is pretty much a spent force in Australia and the remainder of the western world. Census data demonstrates that they've experienced significant decline, numerically, for years. Clearly they've been on the decline, ethically, too.

Blessings,

Ian



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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:09/12/2008 4:21 PM)

Hi Outa

Well put, Ian.

Once money is the subject of headlines, people sit up and take notice. I admit to being a bit shocked at the depth of fraud uncovered. Maybe my rose-coloured blinkers should be tossed away once and for all where this lot is concerned.

If the adage 'where there's smoke there's fire' is true, then surely the whole assembly must be choking!

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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
(Date Posted:14/12/2008 3:52 PM)

Hi,
I was reading through this all again. One question, Does anyone know if this person or persons have been convicted of any crime yet? There seems to be a lot of accusations but no proof, I'm not sure I can only go by what I am reading here. If this guy, or whoever it is, broke the law wouldn't they be charged by now? it seems to be taking a hell of a long time considering the first post was back in June!
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