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(Date Posted:18/11/2006 2:46 PM)
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After leaving an assembly in england 1 year ago it would be nice to hear what went on and what stories you have to tell, i have no reason to hate most of the people there but i didnt anything to avoid hanging out with the people outside of the meetings so therefore i was kinda kept out of the loop.please fill me in on some stories
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(Date Posted:18/11/2006 8:06 PM)

I was went to the meetings in Peterborough from 1987-1994, my mum and sister were also members. My dad left my mum after 6 years as couldnt handle been bashed over the head with our beliefs anymore, aswell as not being able to even take us on holiday without Pastor Terry Beggs permission.

At the age of 16 I started "courting" a very unlikly match for me, but as there were only 3 chappies my age, my choice was limited. After 6 months we were told to get married or split up "as not to let temptation get to us", so we got married. There is absolutley no way they should encourage a 16 year old to marry. I was so unhappy but as dicorce isnt allowed I couldnt see any alternative but to grin and bear it.

 Thankfully at 18 my sister backslid and I followed shortly after, to find out for myself if this world was as evil as they said it was. Needless to say by 19 I was divorced and my life began. My mum then had to cut me and my sister off for many more year. Then finally she saw sense after being advised she could not move house to be nearer her mum. My dad and mum are now back together after 10 years apart.

We were all so jealous of the Australian youngies as they came over with stories of how they were allowed clubbing and their social life was far bigger than ours. Is this true.

Terry Begg is a very very clever man, so you wonder can they really beleive what they preach, when its so clear the scriptures have been interpretated so suit their scare tatic of the week. Also has anyone here really been healed, the amount of testimonies people gave about healing, when I knew they were on tablets and visited the doctor.

Would love to hear other people stories on their visits to the UK or if they were in any of the 4 assemblies.

The only genuine people I met were Colin Wilson (sadly passed away in a car crash) and his family, who since moved back to Australia. I went to Canada and stayed with Nat de Palma, so amazed to hear what he is up to now, and obviouslt met Noel a few times (he was staying with Nat as well when I went to canada) #

Well thats my story in very edited addition. All I have to say to the people still in, that if you are only there through fear, then leave, you can always go back if you're not happy. And if leaving means that the last many years have been wasted and you have to admit you were wrong, well rather that than spend the rest of your life living a lie. 



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(Date Posted:20/11/2006 12:15 AM)

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After leaving an assembly in england 1 year ago it would be nice to hear what went on and what stories you have to tell, i have no reason to hate most of the people there but i didnt anything to avoid hanging out with the people outside of the meetings so therefore i was kinda kept out of the loop.please fill me in on some stories

how long were you apart of the GRC England fellowship? Is there anyone specific you were wondering about?
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(Date Posted:27/12/2006 2:33 AM)

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Reply to : AnonymousAfter leaving an assembly in england 1 year ago it would be nice to hear what went on and what stories you have to tell, i have no reason to hate most of the people there but i didnt anything to avoid hanging out with the people outside of the meetings so therefore i was kinda kept out of the loop.please fill me in on some storieshow long were you apart of the GRC England fellowship? Is there anyone specific you were wondering about?

I knew Martin and Toni Davis, but that was a long time ago. hubby visited Martin in England once and Martin told him Herbie had him spy on Ted Owens while he was there.

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$%*'`[I read this in England]%*'`@ Big Lies, Small Lies and False Flags Waving
It never fails to amaze me, this daily stream of lies and half-truths- this couching of suggestive and subliminal acupressure upon the human mind. From the shit-shillers to the acrobatic word whores, everywhere you look someone is being paid to lie about something. Invariably these lies have something to do with putting money in the liar's pockets. Sometimes it's just to encourage you to buy their car over that car, unless you are smart enough to buy Japanese... or this beer over that beer. Getting you to buy one product over another, encouraging brand loyalty is the daily doing of the liars in the market place.

There are many levels of lying and lying ability. Some of them must be indirect because they are patently evil. Such as lying a nation into war in order to sell munitions, war paraphernalia and to steal another countries resources and profit from the needs of soldiers in the field. Or it could be in order to control the price and flow of oil. There are some among us who are disposed to believe that their government wants to stabilize the availability of the oil for the benefit of its citizens. That is an obvious lie given the degree to which they manipulate both the availability and the price for their own benefit. The theft of billions from California through the machinations of Bush oil buddies is a textbook example.

There are those who fabricate non-existent enemies in order to invade a country. There are those who plan and carry out attacks on their own nation in order to blame these events on fabricated enemies in order to invade another country. There are those who manufacture memos based on fabrications and who manufacture intelligence from sources that cannot be named in order to engineer the invasion of another country. There are those who misquote world leaders in order to drum up international sympathy for an attack on another country. One example is quoting Ahmanedijad as saying that Israel should be destroyed when he clearly said, "the Zionist Regime". Another is to present Iran's peaceful nuclear energy program as a cover for the manufacture of nuclear weapons.

There is another way of lying which is to omit significant facts that would render a lie just what it is; for instance, to suggest that Iran is operating in a rogue fashion when in fact they are abiding by the dictates of the Nuclear Energy Commission. It is altogether possible that Iran might one day seek to possess nuclear weapons given the overt hostility displayed toward them by the Middle East's chief trouble maker, Israel. Were Israel the fine democratic nation they pretend to be they wouldn't be involved in genocide against the Palestinians.

Another kind of lie is to label a militant faction in a particular country as terrorists. Hamas and Hezbollah are examples of this. Neither of these groups are terrorists. Even a casual inquiry would reveal the origin of these groups and cast an entirely different light upon their principles and intentions. It is safe to say that if Palestinians were no longer being arbitrarily slaughtered and Lebanon were to be allowed to live in peace there would be no need for either group.

Some lies have been around so long that they are automatically assumed to be true. One such lie is that the Palestinians refuse to accept Israel's right to exist. That's a lie. The truth is that it is the other way around. When Israel was created the Israelis drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes, employing murderous acts to facilitate this. Israel has refused Palestinians the right to exist from the beginning. Today they bulldoze their homes in the ghettos where they have imprisoned them, destroy their olive orchards and crops and increasingly encroach upon their properties with violent settlers who can do what they want with any stray Palestinian they might encounter and with no fear of reprisal.

Much is made of rockets fired into Israel by individuals claimed to be Palestinian radicals. How much of this is actually the case is very much in doubt. However, as long as Palestinians are denied their own country, which they had before Israel started jumping up and down on their heads. As long as Palestinian land is stolen and apartheid is in place and as long as Palestinians can be rounded up and imprisoned, tortured, their women and children used for target practice, just so long they have a perfect right to retaliate. It's clear that they do not possess much of a means to do much damage. They also have a perfect right to use suicide bombers because it is the ONLY weapon they possess. A people must be severely oppressed before they resort to that kind of activity. Life has to have gotten to the point where it isn't worth living.

One huge lie is how endangered Israel is. Israel has the fourth most powerful military in the world. The Palestinians have just about nothing. Israel could solve their professed Palestinian problem in a heartsbeat but they will not and they will do everything possible, including false flag ops and the like to keep the tension high... because Zionism wants the land.

There are other lies as well that thread through the history of that region. There are some very big lies about the cause of the Six Days war and who started it and why. There are other lies about the other conflicts that are just taken as true when they are not. A little research would shed much light on all of them.

There is a big lie of victim perception on the part of the Israelis who are in fact the chief victimizers in the area. They could change the entire face of the mid-east conflict and stabilize the region if they wished. They do not wish to.

Now there is the big lie that Israel is trumpeting that Iran is an ?international problem'. The neo-con Zionist Israelis who fabricated the lies upon which the Iraq conflict is based are now doing the same thing with Iran and they are leaning hard, very hard on America to fight this war for them too.

There is an enormous representation of Zionists at a variety of levels concerning the 9/11 attacks. The same Israeli security firm was in charge of security at all the 9/11 airports. They were also in charge of security in the London tube for that attack AND at the Madrid train station. That's an awful lot of coincidence. Then there are the five dancing Israelis http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html which is a very curious story and then there is the whole tale of Larry Silverstein/WTC and there is much, much more. If there is fire where there is smoke then we have a lot of smoke and fire.

No one is allowed to look into these things for some reason. The AIPAC lobby, which says that it isn't extremely powerful sure seems to shut down any mention of anything they don't like. Personally, I'm not on anyone's side. I just think the truth should be known. Why should we mind knowing the truth? If there's nothing there then there's nothing there.

One curious thing that remains among all the lies is; what was Mohammed Atta doing on Jack Abramoff's gambling boat mere days before the 9/11 attacks? I would surely like to know the answer to this. The FBI photographed it and reported on it but.... just another mystery I guess. It's too bad that reasonable folk in power can't be bothered to investigate what really happened. Something or someone doesn't want that to happen.
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Big Lies, Small Lies and False Flags WavingIt never fails to amaze me, this daily stream of lies and half-truths- this couching of suggestive and subliminal acupressure upon the human mind. From the shit-shillers to the acrobatic word whores, everywhere you look someone is being paid to lie about something. Invariably these lies have something to do with putting money in the liar's pockets. Sometimes it's just to encourage you to buy their car over that car, unless you are smart enough to buy Japanese... or this beer over that beer. Getting you to buy one product over another, encouraging brand loyalty is the daily doing of the liars in the market place.There are many levels of lying and lying ability. Some of them must be indirect because they are patently evil. Such as lying a nation into war in order to sell munitions, war paraphernali





This is what the revival centre is all about They against the world because they think that they are right and the the others like US are wrong.
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(Date Posted:12/02/2007 1:13 PM)

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I left one of the assemblies in England a few years ago. I have lots of stories I could tell, but as there are some spies in our midst who are still in the assemblies I am reluctant to go into too much detail and therefore give my identity away. I don't know why I feel like this. I just wouldn't like the idea of members reading my stories and then running back to the assembly members with a twisted version of events that will only fuel their ideas that when you leave 'the one true church of the bible' your whole life goes wrong. Maybe once I've been a member of this forum for a while I will feel differently. Believe me I have some very interesting stories to tell, once I pluck up the courage!

Hi   " Donkay  "   ( as in the film -  Shrek  )

No wonder you " feel like this " . It's part of the scaring of your soul that flinches over that place and what it does to you .  Isn't it good to find that you are Normal after all ! and NOT going to hell .Such is the power that  GRC Pty. Ltd,.  preaching has over peoples minds that it  ' instills ' a fear of condemnation upon you that   .....    your gonna DIE ! mentality if you don't walk through the GRC Pty. Ltd.  doors. 

I too, we all do , wish to hear you story , but take your time and think it through so as you don't hurt the ones you care for  ( as you said ). 

Catch you soon ......

  

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I would like to know if you anything about Gordon and Liz Crawford? They went to England Northampton in the 80's. And the VanVliet family??? Which ass. are still running in Endland?
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$%*'`[Lucy]%*'`@I was fortunate or unfortunate to have spent some time in England some years ago when a member of the adelaide assembly. I was was having doubts about the "church" even then, when staying with M and T Davis. They would have continual screaming matches in front of me without any hesitation and then immediately go to the meetings[still screaming at each other all the way] Only then to walk into the hall and act as if they were happy and spiritual as M then conducted the meeting. Yes, i would have to definitely say the were not in the flesh but always a very spiritual couple.NOT! It sure convinced me that they were truly full of the spirit 24/7 .
There then teenage son left the church and Pastor Davis was not sent home to Australia but continued preaching. I wonder why they were not sent packing like many others have been. Guess no else wanted the job! or maybe it was another example of their double standards. I know plenty about the Adelaide and England assemblies.See you soon with the next installment from Lucy. I will tell some very interesting stories.


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I was fortunate or unfortunate to have spent some time in England some years ago when a member of the adelaide assembly. I was was having doubts about the "church" even then, when staying with M and T Davis. They would have continual screaming matches in front of me without any hesitation and then immediately go to the meetings[still screaming at each other all the way] Only then to walk into the hall and act as if they were happy and spiritual as M then conducted the meeting. Yes, i would have to definitely say the were not in the flesh but always a very spiritual couple.NOT! It sure convinced me that they were truly full of the spirit 24/7 .There then teenage son left the church and Pastor Davis was not sent home to Australia but continued preaching. I wonder why they were not sent packing like many others have been. Guess no else wanted the job! or maybe it was
We're all ears Lucy.
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Which assembly were you once part of? Intertesting stuff.

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(Date Posted:16/03/2007 11:28 AM)

martin davis is my uncle!

i remember when he left for england, i was maybe 17 at the time and ...

toni's son ben was from a previous marriage ...was always a little brat i remember

what would they fight about?
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 There are four meeting in england peterbourough,bristol ,london ,and milton keynes . And most people stay in the meetings because they really believe that is the only place they can follow the lord . If people want the truth put your trust in the lord and not the pastor .There vision is suppressed because of all the rules and the lawful way that they are told to follow the lord .It becomes about following the organisation and not the lord ,where there is fear people  hide there emotions. It is sad for all that are in there anybody can get brainwashed even the pastors.   I was in the meetings for some years and there was alot of kindness given to me and there is people that i miss. 
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It's sad to hear that there are still assemblies going in England
peterbourough,bristol ,london ,and milton keynes  I see that Northampton is missing so I guess the Van Vliets elder (Crawford) did not take over from him.  Or did Gordon take over somewhere else in England or did he return with Liz to Aus?

I know the Bloxhead returned to Geelong from Milton Keynes several years ago. But how about Brian Griggs and family?

It's been years since I was a member of MK Eng. Just wondering
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Gordon and liz crawford are still at northamton gordon is the help there and the others that you asked about are not in england . Who else did you know in england.
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Hello Everyone

Some of the people who have written on here Im sure I know or at least one of them Im sure of. I thought I would write this to see if anyone else had experienced the same kind of devastation to their lives that I have at the hands of the CULT Peterborough New Life Fellowship in Peterborough.

What can be said about these assemblies? I have come to believe they are nothing more than franchises, rather like McDonalds. By that I mean each Pastor is given their own franchise area (assembly) and then told to build up the custom (membership), after that has been done they have a nice income coming in and after they have given their cut back to Noddy Hollins they have still got plenty to put in their sticky little pockets.

Why would I think that you may ask? Well, I was always amazed at how Terry Begg Pastor of the Peterborough franchise who now drives a big flash Jaguar not only could afford to buy the land in Bainton village near Peterborough where he lives but then design and build his own massive house with multiple garages which he had personaly designed, when he was only working as a third rate photographer for the same company as me and I knew what his wages was then, no where near affording that kind of mansion.

I wondered that for a long time but then I remembered his talks during the time when he was building his house and I remember the podium thumping that went on during his talks about tithing, I suppose that must have helped and now he has a house valued at over half a million pounds.

Someone wrote on here that he is a clever man, well, I suppose he is he has managed to spend nearly 30 years here wrecking peoples lives, marriages and families whilst holding a god like fear over his congregation.
Some people live in fear because they truly want to be right with God and for them I genuinly have sympathy but the others who abandon their families and children because this power crazed little man has told them to do so is beyond help or understanding.

I was married for over 20 years to a woman who still goes to his church, I had 3 children with this woman who I loved dearly but after I left the church she told me "I will never forgive you for leaving the church" and she was right from that moment on she never did and the only thing that mattered was the church. Because the church does not believe in divorce my wife set about making my life an absolute misery knowing that if she devoted as much time as she could to this endeavor I would have no choice but to divorce her and it worked for her.

Divorce is difficult enough under normal circumstances however this one was made all the more difficult because in the background there sat Begg waiting for his 10% cut from the divorce proceedings. Foolishly I wrote to Begg in the begining asking for his help in saving my marriage but he didnt reply I guess he wanted his 10% more. It wasnt until we had reached a fair way down the track with the solicitors that I was informed by my solicitor that from a batch of paperwork I had given her about our finances she had discovered that my wife had been looting our joint accounts for years and now there was now no record of the money she had been taken, just a number of closed accounts in her name only which i knew nothing about, I suppose I probably own the front end of Beggs Jaguar.

Throughout the whole procedure I watched this woman that I had loved and spent 20 years with, lie, cheat and steal and then without the slightest hesitation just abandon her children because they had "left the Lord" as she put it.

After the children had left the cult they went through some difficult times especially one of them who had been told by their own mother that if they left the church their death would be and I quote "Their death would be Seven times worse than anyone elses", I ask you what kind of human being says that to her own children???

On several occasions I went back to my wife asking her to help me in someway with the children, on each occasion she replied "They are not my problem anymore". I asked her if she would help to contribute towards them, nothing much, but a contribution would have helped, everytime her answer was NO, so, I applied to the CSA for help and they contacted my wife, when she spoke to them she LIED to them about her income saying it was 75% less than what it was, which I thought was in line with the spiritual teachings of her church, ah well you have gotta love a quality hypocrite, still in the end they caught up with her and increased it accordingly.

Terry Begg took one of the kindest and most gentle people I have ever known and turned her into a stone cold psychopath who is now so void of any kind of emotion she has managed to completely disgard her children without the slightest thought about it. How did he do this? Both he and Andrew Mackintosh worked with my ex wife when she fell pregnant with our first child, they then set about telling a pregnant and vulnerable woman how her baby would die soon because the world was coming to an end and the only way for her to avoid this was to get saved, brave men indeed threatening a pregnant and vulnerable woman.

There is much I have left out and that is simply because I just cant be arsed to go through it all again, however that does not mean I cant be arsed to pursue the Peterborough New Life Fellowship CULTand have them answer for their crimes against the people they have stolen from, tormented and destroyed.

For the times I have used the word church in this essay I apologise, I meant CULT because thats exactly what it is and dont even doubt that for a minute.

Oh and Im not anonomous,
I am Mark Overland.
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Re:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:21/02/2011 10:24 PM)

Mark, your story is tragic.

The same destructive force exists in every branch of the GRC Pty Ltd because they are all raised up from the same heretical foundation.

The situations and stories seem to be equally soul destroying and heartbreaking no matter where in the World the group exists.

Good luck with any endeavour to bring them to account, don't let it consume you though.

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Hello Everyone

Some of the people who have written on here Im sure I know or at least one of them Im sure of. I thought I would write this to see if anyone else had experienced the same kind of devastation to their lives that I have at the hands of the CULT Peterborough New Life Fellowship in Peterborough.

What can be said about these assemblies? I have come to believe they are nothing more than franchises, rather like McDonalds. By that I mean each Pastor is given their own franchise area (assembly) and then told to build up the custom (membership), after that has been done they have a nice income coming in and after they have given their cut back to Noddy Hollins they have still got plenty to put in their sticky little pockets.

Why would I think that you may ask? Well, I was always amazed at how Terry Begg Pastor of the Peterborough franchise who now drives a big flash Jaguar not only could afford to buy the land in Bainton village near Peterborough where he lives but then design and build his own massive house with multiple garages which he had personaly designed, when he was only working as a third rate photographer for the same company as me and I knew what his wages was then, no where near affording that kind of mansion.

I wondered that for a long time but then I remembered his talks during the time when he was building his house and I remember the podium thumping that went on during his talks about tithing, I suppose that must have helped and now he has a house valued at over half a million pounds.

Someone wrote on here that he is a clever man, well, I suppose he is he has managed to spend nearly 30 years here wrecking peoples lives, marriages and families whilst holding a god like fear over his congregation.
Some people live in fear because they truly want to be right with God and for them I genuinly have sympathy but the others who abandon their families and children because this power crazed little man has told them to do so is beyond help or understanding.

I was married for over 20 years to a woman who still goes to his church, I had 3 children with this woman who I loved dearly but after I left the church she told me "I will never forgive you for leaving the church" and she was right from that moment on she never did and the only thing that mattered was the church. Because the church does not believe in divorce my wife set about making my life an absolute misery knowing that if she devoted as much time as she could to this endeavor I would have no choice but to divorce her and it worked for her.

Divorce is difficult enough under normal circumstances however this one was made all the more difficult because in the background there sat Begg waiting for his 10% cut from the divorce proceedings. Foolishly I wrote to Begg in the begining asking for his help in saving my marriage but he didnt reply I guess he wanted his 10% more. It wasnt until we had reached a fair way down the track with the solicitors that I was informed by my solicitor that from a batch of paperwork I had given her about our finances she had discovered that my wife had been looting our joint accounts for years and now there was now no record of the money she had been taken, just a number of closed accounts in her name only which i knew nothing about, I suppose I probably own the front end of Beggs Jaguar.

Throughout the whole procedure I watched this woman that I had loved and spent 20 years with, lie, cheat and steal and then without the slightest hesitation just abandon her children because they had "left the Lord" as she put it.

After the children had left the cult they went through some difficult times especially one of them who had been told by their own mother that if they left the church their death would be and I quote "Their death would be Seven times worse than anyone elses", I ask you what kind of human being says that to her own children???

On several occasions I went back to my wife asking her to help me in someway with the children, on each occasion she replied "They are not my problem anymore". I asked her if she would help to contribute towards them, nothing much, but a contribution would have helped, everytime her answer was NO, so, I applied to the CSA for help and they contacted my wife, when she spoke to them she LIED to them about her income saying it was 75% less than what it was, which I thought was in line with the spiritual teachings of her church, ah well you have gotta love a quality hypocrite, still in the end they caught up with her and increased it accordingly.

Terry Begg took one of the kindest and most gentle people I have ever known and turned her into a stone cold psychopath who is now so void of any kind of emotion she has managed to completely disgard her children without the slightest thought about it. How did he do this? Both he and Andrew Mackintosh worked with my ex wife when she fell pregnant with our first child, they then set about telling a pregnant and vulnerable woman how her baby would die soon because the world was coming to an end and the only way for her to avoid this was to get saved, brave men indeed threatening a pregnant and vulnerable woman.

There is much I have left out and that is simply because I just cant be arsed to go through it all again, however that does not mean I cant be arsed to pursue the Peterborough New Life Fellowship CULTand have them answer for their crimes against the people they have stolen from, tormented and destroyed.

For the times I have used the word church in this essay I apologise, I meant CULT because thats exactly what it is and dont even doubt that for a minute.

Oh and Im not anonomous,
I am Mark Overland.
HI mark  some sad stories terry begg has got alot to answer for and he will when he meets his maker. I knew your son ,jo, nice lad likes newcastle football club.

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RE:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:23/02/2011 7:44 AM)

Thank you to all those people who kindly replied to my essay with such support, I really appreciated their kind words which were so supportive to me.

Thank you also to Glad for her kind words, I know what you mean when you say "dont let it consume you" and
I shall certainly take your advice. However, a great injustice has been done to my family and myself and I shall
not let it go until I have publicly outed these conmen for what they are, they do not have the right to silently walk into peoples lives and trash them for their own financial benefit.

It is to late for me and many of the people who have contributed their painful stories on this website, but. if I can in some small way stop these lying, thieving scumbags from hurting and destroying someone elses family then my time and efforts will have been well spent.  

Having a website like this for us to talk about our experiences is most helpful and in many ways helps in some small way with the healing process for us all, but when all is said and done we will never effect any change in these conmen and so called churches/cults behaviour unless we actively do something about it. The tithing that goes on in all these cults is so easy to abuse, we have all sat there watching the flock put cash in the collection sock but were does it go and who accounts for it? It is so easy to take a sock with a £1000 donations in it and then say it only had £100 in it, cash is so easily moved and in the end the books will always say what the pastor wants them to say.

I would also like the law changed to include and recognise the charge of "Mental Assault" because in essence this is what these people do to you and your families, for so many people to be living in constant fear and being told to cut off family and other loved ones causes great pain and that is something nobody can deny when they read through the pages of this website.

Will anyone join me in this campaign or shall we stay silent and let them continue to destroy friends, families and anyone else they can live off like a parasite?

Regards to all.
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photos of members
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Here are some photos that you might to have a look at Mark. Or not it's hard to look back some times.

There is one that I was wondering about . Lianne??? Andy news???

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7767570@N02/
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Here are some photos that you might to have a look at Mark. Or not it's hard to look back some times.

There is one that I was wondering about . Lianne??? Andy news???

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7767570@N02/
Let me try that again

Here is a link to a flickr account that has several photos of people who you some you would know.

You might want to have a look or not but I don't think you are in any of them as these were taken before 1986.

Any news on Lianne from Northampton? I know everyone in England from before 1986.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7767570@N02/


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Re:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:23/02/2011 6:32 PM)

The GRC PTY LTD and its branches world wide, have been operating and spreading their corrupt version of God's Word (heresy) and all the misery that stems from NHH raising men up in his image to go forth and spread his poison for decades now.

The stories of heartbreak, deceit, manipulation, cruelty, mental and spiritual abuse are too numerous to mention.

There are quite a few on this website, but it is only the tip of the ice-berg.

Many people have tried to bring them to task over the years. There have been negative television programs made about them and newspaper reports exposing the various awful things that they have inflicted on the many. People have tried to confront various members and Hollins, others have thought that they had sufficient evidence to take them to Court.

It is hard to pin something on a group or individuals, who are basically all 'smoke and mirrors' with no substance.

Any attack on an individual or the group causes them to become stronger in their faith and the belief that 'they are right and everyone else is out to get God's one true people or church'. 

Once people leave, they do move on.....to pursue them, leaves you in a perpetual state of grief and mental turmoil.

The ones who have tried to bring them to heel have suffered greatly.

Unless you can actually provide proof and take them to Court with a good 'stack' of evidence then you will achieve next to nothing.

This may sound brutal, but it is honest.

It is hard when the realisation hits you that you have lost 'the lot'. The people you love, your family and friends were 'normal' at some stage of their lives, but they have been expertly converted.

Their love and friendship IS CONDITIONAL....you MUST belong to their group and believe the false doctrines that underpin their existence.

The plea for help to bring them down has been put out before (often), people have dedicated years of their lives trying to achieve this end.

They say patience is a virtue. Over the years, many people have left, people that you would have thought would be there until they died.

One of the major hurdles to get over, is the public perception that it 'is just a church', the assumption then being, that it can do no harm.

I suggest that you join the Forum as a member, then people can communicate with you through PM's.

Who knows, people may offer suggestions as to how you might be able to achieve some form of victory.

Maybe someone will have the courage to come to you via that channel rather than on the open Forum. 

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RE:post your england stories.
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Mark there are several other people who I would like to know about
Are you still around?

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Mark there are several other people who I would like to know about
Are you still around?


Who would  you like to know about i know all who are in the grc england.
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Is there any people on here that are in the GRC england that need help. If there is you will know who i am and i am here to help as my house still follows the lord.
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Hello

Yes Im still around, I am happy to help if I can, who did you want to know about?
Give me some names and I will try and help you with what you want to know.

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RE:post your england stories.
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HI do you still go to the meetings in england , how is MR from bristol and brian . 
IF you are still in the meetings are you happy.
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I was went to the meetings in Peterborough from 1987-1994, my mum and sister were also members. My dad left my mum after 6 years as couldnt handle been bashed over the head with our beliefs anymore, aswell as not being able to even take us on holiday without Pastor Terry Beggs permission.

At the age of 16 I started "courting" a very unlikly match for me, but as there were only 3 chappies my age, my choice was limited. After 6 months we were told to get married or split up "as not to let temptation get to us", so we got married. There is absolutley no way they should encourage a 16 year old to marry. I was so unhappy but as dicorce isnt allowed I couldnt see any alternative but to grin and bear it.

 Thankfully at 18 my sister backslid and I followed shortly after, to find out for myself if this world was as evil as they said it was. Needless to say by 19 I was divorced and my life began. My mum then had to cut me and my sister off for many more year. Then finally she saw sense after being advised she could not move house to be nearer her mum. My dad and mum are now back together after 10 years apart.

We were all so jealous of the Australian youngies as they came over with stories of how they were allowed clubbing and their social life was far bigger than ours. Is this true.

Terry Begg is a very very clever man, so you wonder can they really beleive what they preach, when its so clear the scriptures have been interpretated so suit their scare tatic of the week. Also has anyone here really been healed, the amount of testimonies people gave about healing, when I knew they were on tablets and visited the doctor.

Would love to hear other people stories on their visits to the UK or if they were in any of the 4 assemblies.

The only genuine people I met were Colin Wilson (sadly passed away in a car crash) and his family, who since moved back to Australia. I went to Canada and stayed with Nat de Palma, so amazed to hear what he is up to now, and obviouslt met Noel a few times (he was staying with Nat as well when I went to canada) #

Well thats my story in very edited addition. All I have to say to the people still in, that if you are only there through fear, then leave, you can always go back if you're not happy. And if leaving means that the last many years have been wasted and you have to admit you were wrong, well rather that than spend the rest of your life living a lie. 

hi i have recently read about your story..well we all used to attend the bristol assembly which was well over a 100 miles away.with 4 children it was so hard to go all that way every sundays.we used togo out the door for 8.30 in the morning to get there on time to the 11oclock meetings.no one used to visit us or phone as much as we did.when we attended bristol pastor biscan would always comment on our children telling me and husband to smack them all the time,pastor biscan even said we needed to have them dressing smart also what kind of pastor tells us that our eldest daughter eats like a pig.well there is no love in any of the assemblys at all.we still love the lord and follow him he has done so much for us there is many healings which we have had one is epliespy which i had badly i thank the lord for everything he has done in our lives.pastor begg well what can i say about him he is controlling,never listens to what we have on our minds.the lords not like that, he is a loving god who will do anything for his own.grc think they are only one true church there is many around and the people who have recieved the holy spirit are still the brothers and sisters to me(who have left).i remember when we knew we had to leave the assembly and first thing pastor biscan said was we will be cut from the vine,The lord is the vine and pastor biscan is doing the lords jjudgement.its ashame how the people are in the grc. all we want is the lords word and care and love from the assemblys but clearly this was not to be i am glad we no longer attend there we go some where else now and we are happier now and the children are to..we have brothers and sister always visiting us,sending us through email the lords word.dont get me wrong there is such lovely brothers and sisters in the grc we care agreat deal for them.we have a sister who has just come out of the peterbrough meeting and attending the one where we go and she is alot happier all we want is to have ahappier life and to follow his true word which we now have.we had our names down on the council list to move to bristol a few months ago and that was down to the lord we did not get the house there..

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No, I am not in the CULT anymore, I left about 15 years ago so I dont know to much about Bristol assembly sorry I cant help there, I did know Brian briefly and he seemed a nice guy but I heard later that he and his son had been put out. I was in for about 6 years and only then because I thought I was supporting my wife. Initially I thought what a nice bunch of people but after the honeymoon of being new then came the, "We are not under any law" "BUT" if you dont do this or if you dont do that the will be consequences. I knew fairly early on that Begg wanted me out as he found me not as easy to break as he had done to my wife, he used get seriously urked because I wouldnt call him Pastor but just Terry and he used to get very pissed off with me because I wouldnt cringe and fawn over him like the others.

Every single meeting without fail there would be someone wanting to see him in his special little room so they could either grass, dob in or inform on some other poor sod in the meeting.

Look, to all of you reading this, if you want to still believe in God good luck to you that is your choice and I wouldnt have it any other way, you must be free to follow your convictions. However, what I will say to you without ANY DOUBT in my mind is that if you are looking for God you will not find him in ANY of these Assemblies.

They are not God's houses they are just derelect buildings ran by slum landlords fleecing their tenants 3 times a week and any other chance they can get. This organisation is nothing to do with God they are just one massive and well run criminal organisation feeding on peoples fears, unhappiness and misery to line their own pockets.

I have not spoken to my ex wife for several years, not through a lack of trying on my part but she is well and truly controlled by Begg and his cronies now. I often wonder how she is and if she is well, she had an operation a few years back and I asked if I could visit to see if she was ok or if she needed anything, I was told that I could not visit her and if I did they would make sure the hospital would turn me away. Even after everything she has done to my children and myself I wish her no harm as the blame is not entirely hers for joining so if anyone knows how she is doing and if she is ok I should like to know please, her name was Ruth Overland.
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I had to get myself stood down in order to go on vacation whilst in Milton Keynes. Blockhead and I crossed paths at a bus stop and he asked me if I was sorry for what I said to his wife and was I ready to come back. As I was at moment heading over to Bath and Wales I hung my head low and said that “I still feel sooooo bad about what I said to her that I think I should not come back right now as it might be too early for the others in the assembly to feel that I wasn't really sorry. I think I pulled a tear out to convince him that I was really sorry. Sucker! I remember his wife being the queen of the assembly. She would strut around as if she wore a crown and made sure you treated her like she wanted to be treated or she would tell hubby and Blockhead would tell you off blah blah blah. What a bitch!!!


    I spent a year in Milton Keynes and remember very well how thing were different than in Geelong for young people. Mike and I knew each other in Geelong and I asked him why and he told me that “I had set an example to the other youngies.” Half of them were the pastors and elders and helpers kids so it was in there interest that I had to restrict my actions because their kids might not be able to control their actions. I guess the threat of the strap was not enough for them. I never went clubbing in Geelong and don't remember hearing of anyone doing it. It must have happened but sure to god don't let the pastors know. THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!

    In this world and not of it bull. But I wouldn't blame them if they did. Life is short enough as it is with out imposed restrictions.



They are not God's houses they are just derelict buildings ran by slum landlords fleecing their..............Well said!


Did you have a look at the photos? http://www.flickr.com/photos/7767570@N02/


I did receive an email from Colin Wilson's daughter a couple of month ago. She wanted me to remove her fathers photo from the web site. I also liked Collin and his wife. I remember when they first came over to England. I don't think I'll remove them. She didn't even say please.


I remember Gordon and Liz. I went to their wedding. And I remember when they came over and I remember to England. Their sure changed when they moved to Northampton. A little power and all. I lived in MK at the time and was not allowed to visit them with out the pastors permission I knew lived with Gordon in Geelong and when they were in England some how they were no longer my friends and you have to get permission . This type of action was one of the reasons the I left.

I also remember Nat and his wife from Geelong. Nat and I worked together. It's funny how people like Nat, Mic and in part Mike who were some really screwed up guys in the world went so overboard when they joined the grcc corporate directors lot.  And with a little bit of power they over do it with the control. I guess it's true that Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely....


Would like to hear more of your life in the English grcc and the grcc members stories. I know we know several people in the assemblies and would like to find out what happened to them. Even this many years later I still care about the people, but the grcc and the owners now so much.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Nsyq5U_b8&feature=related

This story applies to the whole world not just England
But the powers that be are in England The City of London.
Most people will not bother to learn the most important thing that they should because they don't want to different. Or is it that they don't want to know as they might have to act upon it. Or they might not want to know as they can not act upon the information and they will become frustrated with life.

The bible says that they

John 8:32 (New International Version, ©2011)

32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”


I understand what has been going on and I know it's hard to act upon the truth but it needs to be done

Please watch these:  OHCANADAMOVIE.COM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Zl1Wax8MI

the truth will set you free.Who doesn't want you free?


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Re:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:03/03/2011 6:17 AM)

Quote :     "  I knew lived with Gordon in Geelong "

If that is so , then you may have live in the same abode as I !

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No, I am not in the CULT anymore, I left about 15 years ago so I dont know to much about Bristol assembly sorry I cant help there, I did know Brian briefly and he seemed a nice guy but I heard later that he and his son had been put out. I was in for about 6 years and only then because I thought I was supporting my wife. Initially I thought what a nice bunch of people but after the honeymoon of being new then came the, "We are not under any law" "BUT" if you dont do this or if you dont do that the will be consequences. I knew fairly early on that Begg wanted me out as he found me not as easy to break as he had done to my wife, he used get seriously urked because I wouldnt call him Pastor but just Terry and he used to get very pissed off with me because I wouldnt cringe and fawn over him like the others.

Every single meeting without fail there would be someone wanting to see him in his special little room so they could either grass, dob in or inform on some other poor sod in the meeting.

Look, to all of you reading this, if you want to still believe in God good luck to you that is your choice and I wouldnt have it any other way, you must be free to follow your convictions. However, what I will say to you without ANY DOUBT in my mind is that if you are looking for God you will not find him in ANY of these Assemblies.

They are not God's houses they are just derelect buildings ran by slum landlords fleecing their tenants 3 times a week and any other chance they can get. This organisation is nothing to do with God they are just one massive and well run criminal organisation feeding on peoples fears, unhappiness and misery to line their own pockets.

I have not spoken to my ex wife for several years, not through a lack of trying on my part but she is well and truly controlled by Begg and his cronies now. I often wonder how she is and if she is well, she had an operation a few years back and I asked if I could visit to see if she was ok or if she needed anything, I was told that I could not visit her and if I did they would make sure the hospital would turn me away. Even after everything she has done to my children and myself I wish her no harm as the blame is not entirely hers for joining so if anyone knows how she is doing and if she is ok I should like to know please, her name was Ruth Overland.
HI mark i know ruth she is well but not happy she misses her children .

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When people are made to fear and are given all these rules ,a written law of noel they become very unhappy . The is many that are unhappy in the english meetings ,there  is some loving people in the meeting its like being in the army with all the orders and the people become like robots not thinking for them sevles .Pastor biscan and his wife two loving people who helped us alot ,it comes down to who do we follow man or GOD. WE are out now because of stuff that was not scriptule took us some time to see it but we did ..
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Some people might get me wrong about how I talk about the prophet, pastors, elders, helpers and their wives in the English assemblies and the grcc in general.


And I know we are to treat the grcc as the problem and not the people but the grcc is made up of people with the power over life and death and every thing they do effects the sheep. So when their actions or attitudes or interactions are /were wrong we have to remember this and point this out. It is/was not just me or you that might have felt this way but people still in the grcc. And everyone here has had some sort of negative interaction with the powers in the grcc. Or we would most likely still be there.


Now if the people who(m) I am talking about have left the grcc and have changed their ruling ways and humbled themselves and understand that they are not gods over others lives this is good. And I hope to see you one day for a cuppa and a chat. But until you leave  you are part of the problems in the cult and you are fair game.It's the sheep that I care about the most.


I know at times I might have been a jerk. Walking around high and mighty towards those who were not part of the grcc and I was even this way towards some brothers and sisters “I'm holier than thou” for this reason or that. I know now that this false pride and it was really just a cloak to hide the insecurity that I had about life. Was I the the one who was right or was the rest of the world right about Jesus, god and life ever after? Was the path that I was on in the grcc the right one or was I just fooling myself. And it would seem now that I was wrong. But am I right now? I've been told many time on this form that I am wrong      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362127/Schoolboy-says-went-heaven-met-dead-sister-knew-about.html      I guess time will tell. But I do know that Herbie and the rest of them are wrong in so many ways. For it's the power over life and death that they are playing with. It's not a game.


The well worn path many newly awakened minds take is to substitute one form of self delusion with another. A conditioned mind that has been shocked into awareness will immediately begin to seek simple answers that help them rationalize away their own self deception and participation. This tendency will be repeatedly and skillfully exploited by others. Out of the frying pan and into the fire is an apt description for how it works.


And to all the teachers who would prefer my punctuations be correct as a judgment to what I say here are some that you may place them where you will.


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Some people might get me wrong about how I talk about the prophet, pastors, elders, helpers and their wives in the English assemblies and the grcc in general.


And I know we are to treat the grcc as the problem and not the people but the grcc is made up of people with the power over life and death and every thing they do effects the sheep. So when their actions or attitudes or interactions are /were wrong we have to remember this and point this out. It is/was not just me or you that might have felt this way but people still in the grcc. And everyone here has had some sort of negative interaction with the powers in the grcc. Or we would most likely still be there.


Now if the people who(m) I am talking about have left the grcc and have changed their ruling ways and humbled themselves and understand that they are not gods over others lives this is good. And I hope to see you one day for a cuppa and a chat. But until you leave  you are part of the problems in the cult and you are fair game.It's the sheep that I care about the most.


I know at times I might have been a jerk. Walking around high and mighty towards those who were not part of the grcc and I was even this way towards some brothers and sisters “I'm holier than thou” for this reason or that. I know now that this false pride and it was really just a cloak to hide the insecurity that I had about life. Was I the the one who was right or was the rest of the world right about Jesus, god and life ever after? Was the path that I was on in the grcc the right one or was I just fooling myself. And it would seem now that I was wrong. But am I right now? I've been told many time on this form that I am wrong      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362127/Schoolboy-says-went-heaven-met-dead-sister-knew-about.html      I guess time will tell. But I do know that Herbie and the rest of them are wrong in so many ways. For it's the power over life and death that they are playing with. It's not a game.


The well worn path many newly awakened minds take is to substitute one form of self delusion with another. A conditioned mind that has been shocked into awareness will immediately begin to seek simple answers that help them rationalize away their own self deception and participation. This tendency will be repeatedly and skillfully exploited by others. Out of the frying pan and into the fire is an apt description for how it works.


And to all the teachers who would prefer my punctuations be correct as a judgment to what I say here are some that you may place them where you will.


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HI i am out of the grc now and i can say that i used to be just like that to but i started to question things .I still believe in GOD but my attertudes have changed for i have seen the light.  The power does go to a persons head we have got to be humble just wandering how long have you been out of the grc and which meeting were you in .

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Re:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:06/03/2011 1:48 AM)

Good post and thanks for sharing in an honest way. I believe the biggest problem with the GRC is their doctrine is not sound, so without a good foundation their will be problems!
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HI prezy were you in the grc i was in the england grc ,Jesus speaks about love and if only there was more love in the world .THE  state of this world at this moment does not look good and the goverments of this world are not able to put it wright . since i have come out of the grc i am free to follow GOD in truth there was alot of suppresion in there .
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$%*'`[Lucy]%*'`@I was fortunate or unfortunate to have spent some time in England some years ago when a member of the adelaide assembly. I was was having doubts about the "church" even then, when staying with M and T Davis. They would have continual screaming matches in front of me without any hesitation and then immediately go to the meetings[still screaming at each other all the way] Only then to walk into the hall and act as if they were happy and spiritual as M then conducted the meeting. Yes, i would have to definitely say the were not in the flesh but always a very spiritual couple.NOT! It sure convinced me that they were truly full of the spirit 24/7 .
There then teenage son left the church and Pastor Davis was not sent home to Australia but continued preaching. I wonder why they were not sent packing like many others have been. Guess no else wanted the job! or maybe it was another example of their double standards. I know plenty about the Adelaide and England assemblies.See you soon with the next installment from Lucy. I will tell some very interesting stories.



I think this is a gross exaggeration! Next time you stay at someone's house and eat their food no doubt free of charge, don't be such a user and hypocrite!

I've known Martin and Toni for over 30 years and they are good, kind and generous people!

You on the other hand are obviously NOT!!
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$%*'`[Lucy]%*'`@I was fortunate or unfortunate to have spent some time in England some years ago when a member of the adelaide assembly. I was was having doubts about the "church" even then, when staying with M and T Davis. They would have continual screaming matches in front of me without any hesitation and then immediately go to the meetings[still screaming at each other all the way] Only then to walk into the hall and act as if they were happy and spiritual as M then conducted the meeting. Yes, i would have to definitely say the were not in the flesh but always a very spiritual couple.NOT! It sure convinced me that they were truly full of the spirit 24/7 .
There then teenage son left the church and Pastor Davis was not sent home to Australia but continued preaching. I wonder why they were not sent packing like many others have been. Guess no else wanted the job! or maybe it was another example of their double standards. I know plenty about the Adelaide and England assemblies.See you soon with the next installment from Lucy. I will tell some very interesting stories.



I think this is a gross exaggeration! Next time you stay at someone's house and eat their food no doubt free of charge, don't be such a user and hypocrite!

I've known Martin and Toni for over 30 years and they are good, kind and generous people!

You on the other hand are obviously NOT!!
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Re:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:06/03/2011 7:51 PM)

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I think this is a gross exaggeration! Next time you stay at someone's house and eat their food no doubt free of charge, don't be such a user and hypocrite!

I've known Martin and Toni for over 30 years and they are good, kind and generous people!


Maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but I can relate to that situation. My former wife (now deceased) at the time we attended the GRC used to argue and pick on each other also. We where put out of the “church” by Noel Hollins because we couldn’t resolve our differences and labeled as being a bad testimony. Reflecting back, I put our behaviour down to the “cracked” foundation this “church” is based on and the controlling mindset brought out the ‘creature’ in us. We didn’t behave like that prior being involved with Hollin’s legalistic, moralist teachings. Hypocrisy yes. A guilt I have to live with now

It is not until one escapes the ruthless teachings and false doctrines of Revival that one can see it for what it is.

 

You on the other hand are obviously NOT!!

Far better not to make personal judgments on anyone.

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Re:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:06/03/2011 9:53 PM)

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Hi I was in GRC Geelong for about 5 years. Left about 4 years ago, and now attend a normal Reformed Church and its great.
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RE:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:07/03/2011 6:10 PM)


To the person who told me Ruth was well but unhappy from missing her children.

Thank you for letting me know she is well, I am glad to hear it.

As to her missing her children I am afraid I will have to doubt that and seriously doubt it at that, I wont go into all the reasons but I will give you a couple of examples.

When myself and the children left Ruth I took them on a skiing holiday to take their mind of the recent weeks hurt and pain, I tried to keep in regular touch with Ruth and phoned her to tell her how Natasha was getting on learning to ski, I was very proud that she had achieved a Bronze award for skiing when she had never done it before. I thought I would phone Ruth and tell her of Natashas achievement, she said few words in reply to me telling her about Natasha but I will never forget them, she said "I cannot believe that you would think I would be the slightest bit interested" and then hung up.

Intially Jake stayed with Ruth when Natasha, Aaron and I left however this was only for a short time. I started getting a number of texts from Jake saying his was frightened and saying that his mum had said if he left the church "his death would be seven times worse that his brother and sister for leaving". One night he phoned me in tears telling me he was locked in the bathroom, I could hear Ruth shrieking and screaming from the other side of the door over the phone.

I have CONSISTANTLY said to Ruth that whatever our problems were we should show a united front for the children and try and help them as much as we can together. Ruth has consistantly told me they are back sliders and not her problem anymore. Though I have asked for help a number of times especially when it comes to giving advice to a daughter she has steadfastly and continuously refused even when the consequences could have been detrimental to the children.

A number of months ago Ruth moved to a new house, she has neither been in contact with Jake or bothered to inform him of her change of address and as such he still has no idea where she lives.

So, I am sure you will forgive me for not believing that Ruth actually gives a damn about any of her children Im afraid the evidence and her behaviour just does not support her in that.

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RE:post your england stories.
(Date Posted:08/03/2011 5:11 AM)

HI mark this is the way the people are brainwashed they realy beleive the are doing what is wright with GOD .I know that in the terry beggs meeting there are alot of unhappy people there . Here is the meetings with the best is bristol second london third mylton keynes last terry begg . Even with what i just said there is laws rules and orders to the people in the meetings , i know some one in bristol that still speaks to his son who is not in the meeting any more .Tery beggs meeting is the worst and i know the way that he works remember your wife has been totaly brainwashed .I met jake at camp and at the peterbourough meeting nice lad i am a newcastle united supporter that what we spoke about.i am not at the meetings any more .
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Photos of England and GRCC
(Date Posted:08/03/2011 7:07 PM)

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/7767570@N02/

Have a nice day

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