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(Date Posted:29/06/2010 6:47 PM)
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I plan to make some pdf leaflets for GRC members who are searching.  I know this has been one before with RCI, the ones I plan to write will be specific GRC focused, written by ex-GRC member.  The first one I hope to have ready by early next week will be history of the GRC.  Yes I know all the info is on the forum, and the cult website, but some people just don't want to go reasearching from post to post, especially those who are still in the GRC, so I plan to make it easier for them.The leaflets will be free, sent in pdf, and you can print them, copy them, post them, email them, give them out as much as you like, just use them in a productive way and lets hope this is also a small step to helping people get free from this cult.To get on the mailing list for the leaflets please email:grcthompsonroad@gmail.com
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Re:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:29/06/2010 11:25 PM)

the legal repercussions on this could be horrendous. i suggest you seek legal advice before entering into such a thought. the least you could be charged with is trespass.
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(Date Posted:29/06/2010 11:58 PM)

 

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the legal repercussions on this could be horrendous. i suggest you seek legal advice before entering into such a thought. the least you could be charged with is trespass.


How so?

I did't think there could be any legal ramifications if they were written from a purly theological and historical outlook, without my personal opinion. 

My aim is to help people not hurt anyone (including NHH), so if there is a chance that this could be more harmful than good I won't proceed,, your thoughts please!
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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 6:40 AM)

its a very dicey thin line situation (that was me before too). the way the law is structured now, by handing one of them to the wrong person and "offending" them, or by someone having cold feet, you may be placing yourself at risk for legal actions that will tie you up for years! im not a lawyer, i simply take people to court every now and then and ruin them (through my job of course) but i do have to be very aware of legal ramifications. i am at risk every day for personal fines of over $250K if i step out of line, so trust me when i say im very very careful!
i spoke very briefly with my collegues, one of whom was a law clerk, and one of whom was a legal secretary, and they also said you need to be very very careful, and make sure you have sought advice on the content of anything to be given to random people. i told them it was a sports club you have a personal issue with, and you used to be a member who now wants to stop others joining and help others leave!

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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 3:45 PM)

Thanks for the advice, it's to much trouble so I wont worry about it.
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Re:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 7:10 PM)

 Crikey!

Some very odd legal 'information' being handed out here.

If the original poster produced a pamphlet with factual information tracing the actual history of GRC there would be no legal concerns. To suggest that facts causing offence to people leads to legal action would also mean that every newspaper, non-fiction book, magazine, internet site would cease to be - tied up in litigation.

Facts are not legally actionable....goodness me!

By the same token - if the original poster decided to produce a pamphlet filled with actual personal observations (eg. "GRC took 90% of my income for the 20 years I was a member", "GRC is run by a person with Parkinson's related senility") that would not be actionable.

Legal threats are just that - threats. Not every threat can or will be carried out....nor is it necessarily legally actionable.

Of course, the pamphlet described above might be at risk of legal issues if the creator dropped copies around the city's streets creating litter, or used it as a deadly weapon to assault Noel Hollins.

I have no know knowledge of any past GRC legal action, but fear of litigation seems to be quite a thing with ex-members.

If what happened happened to ex-members it is fact. No number of GRC lawyers can change that.

Perhaps in stead of running scared, people should get some actual legal advice?

LS x
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Re:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 8:39 PM)

yep thats why i said get advice !!  I can only base my suggestions on the law we deal with, but we have had the most bizzare and ludicrous things going on, we are amazed at what people will do.
The thought of being "worldly" and seeking financial gain will probaly put most pople off taking action, however it is best  to be aware and prepared; know your enemy.

>> By the same token - if the original poster decided to produce a pamphlet filled with actual personal observations (eg. "GRC took 90% of my income for the 20 years I was a member", << Not an issue
"GRC is run by a person with Parkinson's related senility") that would not be actionable. >> YES IT WOULD unless you can prove it medically.
" my friend has these problems.." << issue
I" this is my story" << ok
If the original poster produced a pamphlet with factual information tracing the actual history of GRC there would be no legal concerns >> ok
used it as a deadly weapon to assault Noel Hollins >> well done!

and i will make whoever reads this very aware, I am not just making an observation on this. THIS IS MY JOB.
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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 9:02 PM)

I also believe placing leaflets under vehicle wiper blades is considered littering. Also be aware the grc car park is monitered by security guards although they are not that good, cars have been brocken into, and also stolen and according to posts on this site all sorts of things have happened in cars parked in GRC carpark.

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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 9:26 PM)

yep - thats that sound soooo familiar, scare mungering mmmmmm wonder when that has been used before???

'you will go to hell if you walk out the door' sound familiar.  Anything that is fact is simply that, fact. 

According to MR í am a lawyer' why isn't Today Tonight getting sued right now.......ummmmm no grounds perhaps???

r u a member of this cray cult set up??? seems u may be slightly bias somewhat..........

My sister is a member of this organisation in Hobart - i have no life with her or her beautiful children and my wife was told to also leave me - not very God like i reckon.  Oh hope i dont get sued for this.

This group is a money making machine - just like all the other so called non profitable groups (Scientology brings one to mind)!

anything that can be done to stop this ridiculas set up would only be for the good of the Human race not for the personal gain of any individual, unlike the paster with all his millions of assets.....woops there i go again just cant help myself......


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sibling of a sister who is
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Re:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 9:33 PM)

actually prezy under the wipers is some kind of trespass / invasion of personl goods or space...
and you above, read the note properly;

im not a lawyer

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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 9:46 PM)

not a lawyer  - then stop giving advice! go back to making the tea!
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Re:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 10:02 PM)

hello "guest".
you're being very negative.
the entire point was GET ADVICE.
may i extend that suggestion to yourself. you seem to need a lot of advice to me. you are rude, offensive, aggressive, cant spell...
and causing more issues than are Necessary. (yes i spell checked that)

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(Date Posted:01/07/2010 12:59 AM)

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>> By the same token - if the original poster decided to produce a pamphlet filled with actual personal observations (eg. "GRC took 90% of my income for the 20 years I was a member", << Not an issue
"GRC is run by a person with Parkinson's related senility") that would not be actionable. >> YES IT WOULD unless you can prove it medically.

Presumably, if I was taken to court for my statement my defence lawyer would have the opportunity to have Hollins examined medically.

Mind you, the Today Tonight footage highlighted a man clearly afflicted with Parkinson's with an apparent intellectual delay, giving 'social' answers (eventually) to the reporter's questions.

Considering all that Hollins has allegedly been capable of (in his treatment of GRC cult members) over several decades, evidence of mental instability should not difficult to prove.

Why more members haven't sussed the same is the hardest thing to grasp about all of this!

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(Date Posted:02/07/2010 9:36 AM)

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actually prezy under the wipers is some kind of trespass / invasion of personl goods or space...
and you above, read the note properly;

im not a lawyer

fool

I will have to remember this when I next get a parking fine.
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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:02/07/2010 6:23 PM)

I think the leaflet idea is a good idea. i don't think that there would be a legal issue if the leaflets are not defamatory, just simply state the facts. If there are any problems then they could be rewritten/re worded. If worst came to worst you may have to put a public notice in the local papers retracting some statements and at the same time directing people on how to get updated copies. I doubt Noel would take legal action because as part of your defence you could take public action such as notices in papers in an effort to get witnesses for your defence. Noel could create a bigger issue for his Church by taking legal action. I say go for it, produce the leaflets, they can be no more misleading than the GRC produced campaign leaflets.    
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(Date Posted:06/07/2010 6:32 PM)

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 Crikey!

Some very odd legal 'information' being handed out here.

If the original poster produced a pamphlet with factual information tracing the actual history of GRC there would be no legal concerns. To suggest that facts causing offence to people leads to legal action would also mean that every newspaper, non-fiction book, magazine, internet site would cease to be - tied up in litigation.

Facts are not legally actionable....goodness me!

By the same token - if the original poster decided to produce a pamphlet filled with actual personal observations (eg. "GRC took 90% of my income for the 20 years I was a member", "GRC is run by a person with Parkinson's related senility") that would not be actionable.

 


You would have to seek legal advice. If defamation was shown then your whole campaign would blow up in your face.

Even saying "GRC 'took' 90% of my income for the 20 years I was a member" could be shown to be defamatory or misleading if in fact you actually freely or annonomously 'donated' 90% of your income.

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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:10/11/2010 2:38 AM)

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(Date Posted:10/11/2010 3:45 AM)

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Here is is ... sorry it took so long

http://image.aimoo.com/ForumImages/69dabc5d-4055-4ea0-a38a-9fcf49f1742d/101110_161102_55969723.pdf

Hope it helps people

That is a major 'revivalist' misunderstanding to state a belief that the church began on the Day of Pentecost. In its true perspective, the events that are narrated in Acts 2 on the Day of Pentecost was in effect a commissioning event for 12 appointed and selected men by Jesus of Nazareth. Reading the first two chapters in context and the whole narrative at that point in Acts revolves and centres on the Apostles as the main characters and their chief spokesperson, Peter. It was the homiletic address of Peter that marks the immediate result of the outpouring upon the 12 Apostles thus adding another 3000 souls to the already existing group of believers.

When did the church begin??? It began when Jesus began His public ministry and began calling all sorts of worthless sinners such as Mathew the tax collector and struggling fisherman fighting for their daily survival of fishing to support the feeding of their families on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.

No the church does not center on the person of the Holy Spirit but rather the church is called and centred on the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, the son of the most high God..  

Blessings

Eric
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RE:NEW GRC LEAFLETS
(Date Posted:10/11/2010 3:50 AM)

Good evening, Eric.

That is a major 'revivalist' misunderstanding to state a belief that the church began on the Day of Pentecost. Agreed. As you correctly pointed out, properly speaking, the Church began with the calling of the disciples at the beginning of Christ's earthly ministry, and not after it ended.

Blessings,

Ian



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And now you know the way that god works in the queens realm
(Date Posted:02/02/2011 12:13 PM)

http://www.wimp.com/differencebetween/

Would all this information fit onto a pamphlet?.. Just wondering.

If I'm not mistaken god said that this time by fire. Did he say except in Queensland where he's going old school?
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If I'm not mistaken god said that this time by fire. Did he say except in Queensland where he's going old school?


FIRE will be next. Maybe there's even a Volcano somewhere in QL ready to blow a new top???
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