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(Date Posted:15/12/2010 10:51 AM)
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Day after day we are told that this person  or country or action is evil. And that others are good and their actions are good.What are some real examples of good and evil?And who decides what is good and evil?And how bad does something have to be in order to be called evil?Just wondering if there really is evil or is it just us being bad.Where is the devils' hands in all this?And when you ask that were is god's hands to help us from this evil?Just thinking out loud.
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(Date Posted:16/12/2010 1:03 PM)

 Noel Herbie Hollins.
 On an evil scale of 0 to 100 the Devil being 100 and god being 0 where would Herbie fit in.

Most of the people in the world are in the fat of the bell curve and I believe him to fit just on the up side of the middle.

Sure he's been part of some people dieing waiting for god to heal them and god just didn't bother but that's not Herbie's fault. And sure he's been collection millions of dollars from his flock but that's what the world is all about. MONEY! More for one and less for others. He's just better at it than most.
And he is leading people to god so that must be a plus on his evil scale. So what makes him this devil that people are making him out to be?
I would give him a 54 on the evil scale.


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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:16/12/2010 4:20 PM)

You are forgetting the children of parents he actively encouraged to turn out of home, because they no longer believed the 'twaddle' Hollin's was preaching. 

Children who without any stability left in their young lives who went on to drugs, depression and despair and some even suicide.

You forget the marriages that he broke up because one or other of the partners left the sect and he encouraged the remaining spouse to file for divorce.

You forget the women who have been dominated and crushed by their husbands and the philosophy of the GRC.

You forget the young people who have been forced to marry people from a very narrow group...selected purely because they are 'saved'.

You forget the lost opportunities that a normal life and education would hold for the young people. They are left stunted developmentally on so many different levels.

You forget the double standards that he encourages between the 'haves and the have nots' within the sect. 

You forget the control he has over his 'flock's' time and their thoughts, their career choices, their social activities, even their personal grooming and choice of apparel.

Most importantly you forget that he is PREACHING ANOTHER DOCTRINE, A HERESY, A DOCTRINE THAT WILL NOT LEAD HIS FOLLOWERS TO GOD AND SALVATION.

54 YOU SAY, I THINK THAT CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

SATAN HAS MANY MINIONS....IF HOLLINS ISN'T ON GOD'S SIDE AND DOESN'T PREACH THE TRUTH, THEN WHOSE SIDE IS NOEL HOLLINS ON?

WHERE IS HE LEADING HIS FOLLOWERS?




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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 5:36 AM)

 and while he is doing all these ungodly things, the Real Sin here is -  he is playing with peoples souls !  That is Pure Evil ,  pure, pure evil..........
                That makes it 100% 
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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:17/12/2010 5:47 AM)

Who will take over from Hollins when he is unable to continue or is dead?
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(Date Posted:17/12/2010 4:41 PM)

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Who will take over from Hollins when he is unable to continue or is dead?


Im sure Satan has his hand on the situation.
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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:20/12/2010 1:49 AM)

He may not be killing millions of people like Hitler, so I wouldn't rank him as high as Hitler if satan is 100 Hitler must be a 99.
Hollins is guilty of all the evil post #2 has mentioned and probably more than we care to know, he certanly should be ranked much higher than 54, try 94!!!

By the way #1 he isn't leading anyone to God

Poster #4, good question, and I think prezy has hit the nail on the head, I'm sure satan has someone lined up.  If you look at other major cults after the founding leader died, they all tended to struggled at first, even split into fragments but then the false doctrines all managed to continue and all their groups have grown ... GRC isn't any different, it might split into fragments at first, but sure as eggs all the fragments will continue, Hollins' doctrine will continue and some of them might even canonise Hollins making him a saint or a god.
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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:20/12/2010 6:19 PM)

 All that has been mentioned is exactly what I expected would be said
Even Hitler. That's brainwashing for you.

So keep pushing that and that's all people will remember about WWII. I remember my family member who died in the Pacific. But they were Christians and of less value.

But don't worry about your brothers and sisters that were kill though out the past 2000 years.

And to say that people will not go to heaven because they believe in Herbie's pap is to be god and to judge as god. That's god's job to judge who he wants to hang with in the new life.

And there are people in the world who are alive today who have killed millions of humans who should rank higher than Herbie. One would be Obama and anyone of the leaders of the world who stand beside him in war after war after war.

Most importantly you forget that he is PREACHING ANOTHER DOCTRINE, A HERESY, A DOCTRINE THAT WILL NOT LEAD HIS FOLLOWERS TO GOD AND SALVATION.

Preaching another doctrine etc... prove that he is wrong and you are right. Or any other preacher is right in what they preach. Or any other religion for that matter.  How do you really know that he is wrong since the bible is open to many interpretations. Not to mention the thousand of other books that claim to preach the truth. It's a mine field of  truths, lies and half truths but it's all in order to control the followers to do the bidding of the leaders mostly for their benefit and not the followers. And mostly to tell their story to control the non followers and make them fear that their god is bigger and badder then the other gods.

They say that Asians like to "Save Face" We all like to save face but in the west we don't point this out but we all know it's true. So when you leave a cult like the grc you want to save face and attack it in order to save face.  You want to make sure that what you once believed and think was foolish to believe you now and for ever more don't believe and even HATE it.

 Embarrassment along with other feelings of guilt and pain and anger are a way of saving face towards ourselves.  Painful memories upon looking back at how foolish were were..or not that's gods job to pick his own out of the dross.

If it's just a body count Herbie has not killed anyone. If it's a body count second hand he has a few. If it's a lost soul count you can not judge this. If it's a money count taken form his sheep. He's good but they gave it to him so it's free from guilt. If it's wasting of others time they gave (like you) freely.

So what's the main problem??????
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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:20/12/2010 10:41 PM)

Guest,

I've had to cull your rant down to a manageable length, so I hope you don't mind.

And to say that people will not go to heaven because they believe in Herbie's pap is to be god and to judge as god. That's god's job to judge who he wants to hang with in the new life. 'No', it isn't actually. To point out heresy, and the eternal effects that result from promoting the same, is part of the Christian call.

Most importantly you forget that he is PREACHING ANOTHER DOCTRINE, A HERESY, A DOCTRINE THAT WILL NOT LEAD HIS FOLLOWERS TO GOD AND SALVATION. Preaching another doctrine etc... prove that he is wrong and you are right. Very easily done; I've been doing so for years. How do you really know that he is wrong since the bible is open to many interpretations. 'No', it isn't actually. The number of credible interpretations for any contestable passage is quite small. Not to mention the thousand of other books that claim to preach the truth. It's a mine field of  truths, lies and half truths but it's all in order to control the followers to do the bidding of the leaders mostly for their benefit and not the followers. And mostly to tell their story to control the non followers and make them fear that their god is bigger and badder then the other gods. But we've not been talking about the plethora of religions available, just Christianity.

They say that Asians like to "Save Face" We all like to save face but in the west we don't point this out but we all know it's true. So when you leave a cult like the grc you want to save face and attack it in order to save face.  You want to make sure that what you once believed and think was foolish to believe you now and for ever more don't believe and even HATE it. 'Saving face'? Or 'saving grace'?

So what's the main problem?????? Ignorance. Just as you've quite admirably demonstrated.

Goose.

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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:21/12/2010 5:40 AM)

Hi there!!

Yes there is evil in the world! The evil chatbox moderator won't let me on!! hehe

Anyone able to assist? I haven't been around much lately and for whatever reason, the password I've always used on c/box is 'not valid' anymore - how very very wude!

Cheers, Urchin
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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:22/12/2010 1:06 AM)

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Day after day we are told that this person  or country or action is evil. And that others are good and their actions are good.What are some real examples of good and evil?And who decides what is good and evil?And how bad does something have to be in order to be called evil?Just wondering if there really is evil or is it just us being bad.Where is the devils' hands in all this?And when you ask that were is god's hands to help us from this evil?Just thinking out loud.

This might answer some questions; I think it was J P Morland that said "evil is when things are the way they are not supposed to be, or they are not the way they are supposed to be" [Selah]
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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:22/12/2010 1:08 AM)

Hi Urch, Hope you keeping well. Missing your input.

Ralph

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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:22/12/2010 1:54 AM)


Thanks Ralph - I wasn't even sure if I could post here on the forum but it seems I can. Have sent msg to Unc so hopefully will be able to wish everyone a happy Christmas on the chatbox soon.

No, I haven't been around here much lately - been very very busy and loving where God is leading me!

If for some reason I can't get onto the chatbox, then I hope you have a great CHristmas and a blessed 2011

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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:23/12/2010 3:11 AM)

 You forget the young people who have been forced to marry people from a very narrow group...selected purely because they are 'saved'.
You forget the double standards that he encourages between the 'haves and the have nots' within the sect.

You forget the lost opportunities that a normal life and education would hold for the young people. They are left stunted developmentally on so many different levels.

What is a normal life? The English government has just raised the cost of education for the people to three time it was and you might notice that they are a little upset with this. So this restriction is no different except it's a rule and not a lack of funds. Again this is common in many religions.

Many of what he does almost every other good follower of their religion has to do as they are told
To marry out side your religion in not very common. And just because you say that they can don't make it better with their families and friends.

Have and have nots are in ever religion. Do you think the queen site with the dross?
Money is power and the powerful in every religion will control more and get away with more.
You might remember the guy named Martian.

Sure he controls people but the Pope controls people to point of death also. And there are far more people who believe that dag than most other religions.

Children who are born into or grow up in the grc are treated no different by their parents who force their god on their children. It's a bit like child abuse to me.

You forget the control he has over his 'flock's' time and their thoughts, their career choices, their social activities, even their personal grooming and choice of apparel.

There time and thoughts are not able to be controlled with out the persons consent. There careers are limited as in many religions also and being in the military and killing people is not really a Christian thing to do.
Social activities are a choice. To go to a bar or not is up to the individual but if they don't follow this rule they pay a price. Just like many other religions.

You have to remember that these people are adults who believe in his teachings and in order to say there they have to follow his rules.  The are ADULTS!!

He's just a man who has found a way to make money and make people dance to his tune.
I might think it's a bit more than 54 but not much when you start to look around and the world and see what is really going on.
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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:23/12/2010 3:42 AM)

 OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NEVER BELONGED TO THE GRC.

IF YOU HAVE THEN YOU HAVE COME AWAY UNSCATHED BY YOUR EXPERIENCE.
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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:23/12/2010 10:10 PM)

Au contrair, mon ami


I have more reason than most to be unhappy with herbie and his ilk.
But over time you learn to love those that hate you for leaving the cult.
And over time you understand that he is just a little power player that has his game going in a small back water of Australia and a few placed around the world.

He's nothing in the eyes of those with the real power and control.
He's nothing in the world of power brokers who do want you broke and dead.
He has his little cult family that he controls like puppets and they being adults allow this to happen because like most people in the world can not or do not want to controls their own lives. People like to be told what to do and not do.

This is why slavery happens. The world had more real slaves today then there were at any time in the past.
Just in Hatti there are or were over 300,000 slaves. And most of them were children.
To be truly free you need to stand up and be willing to fight the powers that try to control you.  You need to be willing to give you life up to be free in needed. Sure you might not make it to heaven but at least you were free and not a slave. The slave needs to fight back in order to be free but most of them don't because there must still be this little uncertainty about getting to heaven. So they cling to this life and do as they are told.

The grc is not a full on cult where when herbie dies he's going to ask his followers to kill themselves like Jimmie did.
Kool-aid any one?

But people seem to be like children to be controlled and to be loved for what they do for their brothers and sisters and the cult leader and not loved for being a free thinker. 

I've lost a lot because of the grc but I will not loose my freedom to any one ever again. Even if they promise the world or in the case of religion heaven.

Merry Christmas and have a happy new year.



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Here is some real evil
(Date Posted:23/12/2010 11:19 PM)

If you need a body count to know what real evil is watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcTynu6sBk

And all of this was done in the Name of God.
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If you need a body count to know what real evil is watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcTynu6sBk

And all of this was done in the Name of God.

This might help you:


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Here is my Christmas prezzy to the people of Geelong
(Date Posted:24/12/2010 10:13 PM)

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HOHOHO MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Re:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:27/12/2010 10:26 PM)

Went past OG camp site yesterday on my way to a wonderful family outing on the Peninsular.
It was quite full, proving the need for some, to be told where to go and when to go.....and of course there is the 'fellowshipping'. 
The enforced coming together of people, many of whom would rather be somewhere else. 
Where is Hollins this year? In his luxury air-conditioned caravan at OG or has he gone somewhere where the saints might be wavering?
2 and a bit more weeks to go.
Did anyone give up their job so that they could go to camp?
Did anyone give no regard or respect to their 'un-saved' relatives so that they could go to camp?
How the neighbours at OG must hate this time of year!
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If you need a body count to know what real evil is watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcTynu6sBk

And all of this was done in the Name of God.

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“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”
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setting the grass on fire.
(Date Posted:29/12/2010 10:32 AM)

 I remember one year when a neighbour set the grass on fire.
We all ran with out bucks and doused the fires near the parking lot.
I think they were trying to tell us something. And now I understand what they were trying to tell us.


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here is preacher preaching about the evils that are in the world
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It's five parts but watch it to the end and you will understand what evil it.
You will understand why there things are the way they are in the world and you will understand that only god can help us. I give you Jesus and the money changers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-WtZTH06o&feature=related

GOD HELP US ALL!
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the more you believe in myths the more you will believein the myth that we are fighting good vs evil
(Date Posted:23/01/2011 10:51 PM)

 The Bible and all the other ancient tales bind us to the past, they argued.  As a result, humanity was letting dead people lock us into the injustices that bred endless war and suffering. It was time to let human reason open up a better future.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175344/tomgram%3A_ira_chernus%2C_obama_trapped_by_myth/#more

And we all know that GOOSE sat behind Mavrick.
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RE:Is there real evil in this world?
(Date Posted:23/01/2011 11:05 PM)

Still spruiking your alarmist nonsense?

The Bible and all the other ancient tales bind us to the past, they argued.  As a result, humanity was letting dead people lock us into the injustices that bred endless war and suffering. It was time to let human reason open up a better future. I seriously doubt that anything broaching 'reason' guides your thought processes.

And we all know that GOOSE sat behind Mavrick. M-a-v-e-r-i-c-k. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'Goose' ended up a dead 'duck', didn't he?

Turkey.

Ian
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