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(Date Posted:25/02/2006 12:19 AM)

I am always ready to talk to anyone that want's to..In fact just recently I spoke with someone that has left and their words were.."I'm having such a great time now I've left, there really ARE lots of nice people 'out in the world..THEY LIED"(meaning NHH and the hierachy)..yes they DID lie,to many of us,thankfully we have discovered that before it was too late.

Dear Lemons,

                   ................." What a Wonderfull World ".......  as the song goes, Yes , they  ( Naughty Noel )  LIED !

               The world is full of beautifull people and not necessarily christians but God loving people who do desire that God fill their life and eventually take them to heaven.  I'm not about to argue with anyone over beliefs. If what they think gives them faith and hope, then who am I to interfere in their life and tell them how to run it  or how to pray.  You will Never change a persons thoughts or beliefs while argueing !

 There are also many good people in the GRC too !.... but we know , now that we can look over the fence from the other side, that these souls are ...sort of , bewitched by Naughty Noels hypnotic preaching and they cannot see it clearly as we can ,  that there is a  " veil "  over their eyes . Even when they know   ..." things aren't right  ..."     they still  cannot see  it.

Then there are those who do know but remain because to them ....they have no-where else to go and if they do.... " we could end up in HELL ! ".    The torment of Naughty Noel's fear .

   OK... to all you   GRC and  ex - GRC  folk  .....  Dr . Motmot here ,  we're on the  " Air ".....talk to us and let us solve your spiritual problems.............  come-on !        Join the winning side !   

 In the words of Leyton Hewitt...........   " Come - On "             and

   always tell the truth

motmot

 

 

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(Date Posted:25/02/2006 3:15 AM)

anyone heard of people in AALC? my bro is still there.I am aware that occasionaly insiders pass on info. I really need to know. I don't even know how old my nephew is.

 

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(Date Posted:25/02/2006 8:34 AM)

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anyone heard of people in AALC? my bro is still there.I am aware that occasionaly insiders pass on info. I really need to know. I don't even know how old my nephew is.

Now here is a classic case of what this forum is all about.  What a horrible state of affairs that because of  GRC rule of  " no-contact  " , this normal relation doesn't  the simplest of normal details.

Take for example the wedding vows, of which Pastors even quote, " let no-man put asunder " ! yet they themselves do just that.....hence, the begining of breaking up of families.

If people were gods, we would have stoned these pastors a long time ago for the evil acts they have committed.

Sometimes I think it would be a good idea to have a list of ....   whos who and where,  but I think it is far to much work and could also cause some difficulties..

 By the way,  did I see in the   Death Notices in the Geelong Advertiser the other week ,  the passing of  one, Ken Irvine ?   I only saw Ken over Xmas while driving along Ryrie St.    ( before any-one gets the wrong impression and starts dobbing,    I only saw him  .  I hope it wasn't him.

 I've had no contact with Ken for years, how sad,and he was a good friend too, both he and Kaye. Again just another case in point.

always tell the truth

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(Date Posted:27/02/2006 1:17 PM)

alive and well as far as i know! must have been another KI !

thanks anonymous,

that's very good news, I was hoping for that.

Wouldn't it be nice to make a quick call in and see some-one in the assembly and dis-regard the effect of Naughty Noel's retribution on the innocent . If we were to do this on-mass, what could the nodding ,long-neck girraffe say ?

  Come-On !

always tell the truth

motmot

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(Date Posted:13/04/2006 8:29 AM)

What ever happened to that gay guy Henderson. He must have been there in the early 80's and I think his father ran the Lara mill? Well dude I miss ya and it does not matter if your gay to me. Not that I'm gay or nothing but that that is what god made you.
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(Date Posted:13/04/2006 9:27 AM)

$%*'`[Anonymous]%*'`@Reply to : Anonymous

What ever happened to that gay guy Henderson 

If you are referring to Peter H.  whose speech and actions were effiminate, he married a sr from Brisbane, he was always a joker. The last time I saw him was at an easter camp, and he was telling a group  of people "R" rated jokes, I was so disgusted I got up and left.

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(Date Posted:18/04/2006 5:21 AM)

Reply to : Anonymous [Anonymous]

Reply to : AnonymousWhat ever happened to that gay guy HendersonIf you are referring to Peter H. whose speech and actions were effiminate, he married a sr from Brisbane, he was always a joker. The last time I saw him was at an easter camp, and he was telling a group of people "R" rated jokes, I was so disgusted I got up and left.
He married a woman from Queensland a few years ago
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(Date Posted:18/04/2006 6:57 AM)

re your post re peter   h being gay, i find that offensive. i don't know if peter still attends but either way, he deserves an apology unless you have proof that he is gay. I very much doubt that a gay person could survive for any lenght of time in the GRC, as you can't trust anyone and he would have been exposed. I think he did share a house with a camp guy, oops, let me untwist my tongue, he did share a house with a guy by the name of  Camp. thats better. does peter still attend and if so what assembly does he belong to?
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(Date Posted:18/04/2006 2:20 PM)

$%*'`[anon]%*'`@Reply to : Anonymous

re your post re peter h being gay, i find that offensive. i don't know if peter still attends but either way, he deserves an apology unless you have proof that he is gay. I very much doubt that a gay person could survive for any lenght of time in the GRC, as you can't trust anyone and he would have been exposed. I think he did share a house with a camp guy, oops, let me untwist my tongue, he did share a house with a guy by the name ofCamp. thats better. does peter still attend and if so what assembly does he belong to?
peter is NOT GAY hes happily married to a great girl and yes comments like that one are better left alone. he attends GRC and is very happy. and i loved his sick sense of humor ,dirty jokes and all, it does not mean he loves the lord any less!
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(Date Posted:01/05/2006 11:12 AM)

$%*'`[Anonymous]%*'`@

to my darling daughter   i miss you very much i know that when i left the assembly, you were restricted from contacting  me and i know you are doing this out of obedience to the ministry at that time .          i raised you to know what is right and wrong, and i believe deep down in your heart you know what is the right thing and what the Lord would expect of you, but at the moment it has been clouded by destructive doctrine.                            ( when i was still a member of the assembly i was TOLD to cut ties completely with my parents and siblings - because they were not  members of the assembly.  To be obedient to the ministry I did this with a lot of grief)        after a number of years of  no contact with them, i finally spoke to them and asked for their forgiveness, they accepted me back unconditionally and with open arms.    to my darling daughter     your grandma (bumma) & grandad are well and miss you very much, so are your aunts, uncles and cousins.   i am also well , better than i have been for a long time (in mind body & soul) the only part that is missing is you!!!!                                                              TO THOSE CURRENT MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN TOLD TO CUT TIES WITH YOUR LOVED ONES, IF IT IS IN YOUR HEART TO CONTACT THEM...DO IT BEFORE IT BECOMES TOO LATE !!!!!   My mum went through a tough time when i stopped contact, and the only  way she could get through was as if she was mourning the death of her daughter, granddaughter and great grandchild. Who could coldly put a loved one through that and go on as if they were doing the right thing because a man told them to and they had to be obedient to this man. this is not what the Lord wants


I posted this message on this thread, 18/3/06...I guess to get out in the open arena my thoughts and feelings, and also maybe (but not likely) that my daughter might see this....My circumstances have changed so much over the past 12 months and more so this year, to the point that I no longer have the shackles of the assembly around my ankles. ...........I AM FREE AS THE LORD SAID I WOULD BE..............    

I felt at this time that I had every right as a mother to contact her daughter ( the only other time that I did contact her was when she was in hospital after having her second child)  So on 13/3/06 I decided to phone her to ask how she and the children were and to let her know that her younger siblings and I were well.  Her reaction to my phoning her was abrupt, callous and cruel where she said she did not consider me as a mother, or us as parents (her stepfather is still a member)  she made comments on situations that happened years ago that had been dealt with.   Everytime I tried to speak to her and remind her I was just phoning to see how she was, she just talked over the top of me. She ended the call by saying ,,,,,I DON'T WANT YOU TO CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU RETURN TO THE ASSEMBLY......then she hung up

I was sickened by this, but it really showed me the cruelty in her heart and that she had become a product of the assembly and those that she follows as her examples.         She has no idea of what I had been through and the decisions that I have made to get through.  All she knows is the lies that have been told to her and that she has believed them.........the majority of the lies are from her stepfather who is very bitter towards me for separating from him.     

I know now where I stand with her................I am moving on with my life, and following the Lord.

To my darling daughter, you are still young and have a lot more to experience in marriage, raising children and assembly hypocrisy, so all I can say for now is good luck!!!!!!!!!

If anyone is interested my daughter is married to a pastor's son and she is in the Canberra assembly

 

 

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(Date Posted:09/05/2006 12:09 PM)

thankfully when i became a part of the church i did not have any family involved. they all said that it was wrong and I shouldn't be involved and it was tearing apart our family. What can I say? They got me.

I've seen so many of my friends leave, good on them I saw if they want to be happy and don't need a controlling body over their life. THe damage it causes to families is indescribable.

Family members saying that they dont want anything more to do with their child is horrifying. But those people are trapped.

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(Date Posted:28/05/2006 12:07 PM)

To all the people, who for me have shed tears.
Your the ones i've loved through all of these years!

To all my friends who still keep in contact with me THANKYOU!
You have showed that our friendship meant something to you. And for the ones
who have cut me off...i hold nothing against you because i understand why!!
I miss you Jess, Chloe, Sarah and Bekky!!! I think of you guys everyday because
you the most AWSOME friends. I am a guy, yet i still preffered you over my closest of
mates! Thanks 4 always being there for me. I pray 4 U
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(Date Posted:11/07/2006 3:55 PM)

Reply to : Anonymous [Anonymous]

She ended the call by saying ,,,,,I DON'T WANT YOU TO CONTACT ME UNLESS YOU RETURN TO THE ASSEMBLY......then she hung up

I am so sorry this happened to you.  That is just so tragic.  You have every right to feel hurt and betrayed...even furious.  Just because we understand WHY they do it, doesn't make it ok.

My thoughts are with you.

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(Date Posted:20/07/2006 7:22 AM)

Reply to : Anonymous  I can't possibly begin to understand the heartbreak that you have been through. I would just like to say that in a small way, I understand. I am truly sorry for your plight. I managed to get my children out with me when I left, but my neice,nephews and sister remain trapped.

I have been cut off and shunned to the extreme. Most of the time it doesn't worry me. At other times when I hear snippets of news about births of children I will never see, never be a part of their life in any way, it does upset me and make me angry that this FOOL can have such a profound influence on people's lives. 

It is also upsetting to realise that life in the GRC goes on the same as it always has and the fact that we write on this forum informing, pleading and exposing doesn't seem to make much difference.

Please, anyone out there, correct me if I am wrong.

For today only,

Cheers from a sad Glad


to my darling daughter i miss you very much i know that when i left the assembly, you were restricted from contacting me and i know you are doing this out of obedience to the ministry at that time . i raised you to know what is right and wrong, and i believe deep down in your heart you know what is the right thing and what the Lord would expect of you, but at the moment it has been clouded by destructive doctrine.(when i was still a member of the assembly i was TOLD to cut ties completely with my parents and siblings - be
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(Date Posted:27/07/2006 11:59 PM)

$%*'`[just wondering]%*'`@

What ever hapened to the people in England??? There use to be three different RC there. One in Milton Keynes one ins Peterborough and another smaller one in Northampton.

  There are several people who I would like to know about. The Crawfords who went to Northampton and the Van Vliets along with Lianner Ackermans  From Peterborough  there was the pastor and his wife I forget their names. And from Milton Keyney there was Nora and Jean and the Bloxiages. Does anyone know what has happened to these people? Are they still walking with Noel or are they saved?

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(Date Posted:29/07/2006 4:14 AM)

Reply to : just wondering [Anonymous]   Hi Anon, although I can't help with the whereabouts of the various people, I just wanted to say that I love your line "ARE THEY STILL WALKING WITH NOEL OR ARE THEY SAVED?"...................brilliant!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Glad


 Are they still walking with Noel or are they saved?


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(Date Posted:24/09/2006 6:49 PM)

$%*'`[SS]%*'`@To Friends I used to have,

you know who you are.. how things have changed and things that i have experienced.

Loss Hurt Betrayel Family Love Lost & Love found.

To my youngest Brother words can not express the love i have for you little man
one day you will understand.

To my younger bro congrats on your new adventure called marriage. i wish we could act cival and treat each other like brothers
and not a kane and able scenario if only i could tell you the what whens hows & whys. in time perhaps.

to the liers and hypocrites in GRC know that all things will be revealed in the end.
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(Date Posted:11/10/2006 10:19 AM)

$%*'`[Been there got out of that]%*'`@To my daughter Michelle...if only you could see the way out
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(Date Posted:29/10/2006 2:14 AM)

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To my daughter Michelle...if only you could see the way out
Where's me childhood mate Matt. Came back and heard he's got a little fella Jacksons
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(Date Posted:08/11/2006 5:43 AM)

I came with a school friend Carol MacPherson but decided not for me so then she did not speak to me after that. I heard she ran away from home after that and left the state, something I never thought she'd do as she was a goody girl. I think I've seen her in geelong since then though but I don't think she recognised me or else ignored me. Does she still go there or was that true about her runing away. This was about 15 years ago. I sometimes think about going there again but couldn't remember where it was so I googled it and found this site. I've changed my mind about going there after reading all this! I thought the people there were nice though, well the ones I spoke to couldn't have been frendiler.
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(Date Posted:11/11/2006 8:16 AM)

I would like to contact Sally Weber  (originally from Albury and married to someone in WA, But I can't remember her married name)  I know that she left assembly about 5 - 6 years ago.

Can anyone help me?

regards viridian

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(Date Posted:12/11/2006 5:24 AM)

To everyone in Singapore - those whom  i knew for the past nine years when i'm there..... thank you..... but there are a few especially i want to say to:-

Tony Koh - i've forgiven you... and i will pray for you and your church to embrace the truth and be freed from the bondage of "rules & regulations" which separated many friends and families apart...

Christine Ang - when i saw you the other day i just wanted to have a friendly chat with you but you said no and walked away.....its kind of sad because we have been friends since  11....  i'm happy to hear that you're married now... thank you for your friendship for those past years....

Stella Tan - thank you for being a big sister to me and thank you for the card to inform me that you're pregnant 9 years ago.... if God willing, i hope to see you and your family again one day... I really like you sis....you are always so bubbly and joyful....

Serina - i'm not sure you are still there but i want to thank you for your great friendship with me....

Tat Watt & Pricilia - i hope and pray that you both will embrace the truth and bring Aden up in the abundance grace of God....

Mary & Elizabeth Tham - missed your laughter and your great friendship.... really missed those times when we were having holidays in Australia....

Marianne - thank you for your friendship and also as my roomate... thank you for chatting with me 2 years ago - i can assure you that i'm so much blessed by God with His abundance grace and His gift of Righteousness now, i hope you experience the same as me too...

Jenny Aw - thank you for your hospitality and being a sis to me...

George & Elaine - how's abby?  i'm sure she's a teenager now....  thank you...

Kheng & PI - thank you for your hospitality and your encouragement....

Eileen & Elaine (Geelong) - missed you both.... btw, belated Congrats to you Elaine, i heard that you're married and a mother now .

Maravic (Manila) - your are a good sister, thank you for your friendship...

An elderly couple in Launceston, the sister's name is Pauline and her husband is a very tall guy - thank you for your love, your hospitality and your letters of encouragement and fellowship...

Lyle & Joan Stephen (Geelong) - thank you for your love, your hospitality and your letters of encouragement and fellowship...

I sincerely hope and pray that we all can have fellowship and friendship with one another again.....if not on this earth then it will be in heaven when we meet Jesus face to face one day....

 

 

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(Date Posted:12/11/2006 3:02 PM)

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To Andy   L.   of Perth  WA.    

        I hope you, Wendy and kids are well.   It's a long time I'm looking back but  you were the best mate  I could have ever had.  From NSW. , Tas. , to Ravy. What memories !     especially those fishing trips. Then there was your favourite saying...... "  oh flip ".

I remember saying to you   ... " that if I  ever I walk away from the Lord , please come and get me ".   Well , it never came to be but then again , Andy , I didn't leave the Lord  - I was dumped by   "guess who".  It was for the best , for I have my own life and with the Lord too, one on one. It's just me and Him - the way it   SHOULD  be !

 Thanks for sending me the  ' family '  movie clip ( 10 yrs ago ) . It was so important to me even though it is now not in my possesion, and I still have that little scroll of  " Footprints " you sent with the clip. I have it beside me , at my computer as I write and I hold it with great reverence because it came from you. 

If ever I have the opportunity, I would like to visit you and share a cup of coffee. I would like to think you would reciprocate.

Ah , those were the days.......  thanks mate.

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(Date Posted:14/11/2006 4:11 AM)

Is anyone from Singapore visiting here?  Can you please tell me is David Lim (Christina's husband) and Roland Chia (Lynette's husband) been put out of the assembly indefinite? 
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(Date Posted:18/11/2006 11:02 AM)

$%*'`[rivers]%*'`@hey just wondering how amy plunkett is going? lost touch with her, does anyone have her contact details?
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(Date Posted:21/11/2006 1:23 AM)

To Pay Mapleson. I loved you like a big sister to me. I just read that you husband died of cancer. I'm so sorry. I hope that you have had contact with you daughters over the past years. And on e day we will talk and we will kow together that the Geelong Revival Centre is keeping you as a prisoner. I look forward to that day. Dave
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(Date Posted:22/11/2006 1:48 AM)

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To everyone in Singapore - those whom i knew for the pastnine years when i'm there.....

"Maravic (Manila) - your are a good sister, thank you for your friendship..."

Marivic G. went with the GRC in the 2000 split in the Philippines. She only wanted to hear one side of the story.

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(Date Posted:06/12/2006 1:55 PM)

$%*'`[viridian]%*'`@

To Wayne and Kim and family.  I am very sad to hear about your loss.  My love and prayers are with you. 

We shared a happy friendship and maybe one day we will meet again

Regards

Viridian

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(Date Posted:06/12/2006 2:00 PM)

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To Wayne and Kim and family. I am very sad to hear about your loss. My love and prayers are with you.We shared a happy friendship and maybe one day we will meet againRegardsViridian
V, Hope you don't mind me asking what has happened to Wayne and kim? I knew them too, not very well though. I would genuinely like to know what has happened, I can email you if you would prefer?
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(Date Posted:08/12/2006 10:35 AM)

Re: Singapore. Just out of curiosity .... I don't think David Lim was put out, is he? I'm in the process of making some important decisions. I need to know if the GRC that you guys talk about is the same one related to assemblies in Canada, England, India, etc. I'm kind of in a state of shock. Need some answers please. My problem is, I don't even know the first name of Pastor Hollins, so I 'm not sure if it is the same man -- Noel Hollins. Please help.
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(Date Posted:08/12/2006 10:50 AM)

I know so many of the people listed here -- and almost all on the Singapore list. How do you walk away and know for a fact that you are not going to go to hell -- be it hell on earth or for eternity? What about satan's mind games and stuff about standing strong so you family will have a chance to be saved? I'm really worried about what I need to do.
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(Date Posted:08/12/2006 11:03 AM)

Reply to : Anonymous

I know so many of the people listed here -- and almost all on the Singapore list. How do you walk away and know for a fact that you are not going to go to hell -- be it hell on earth or for eternity? What about satan's mind games and stuff about standing strong so you family will have a chance to be saved? I'm really worried about what I need to do.
Ask yourself this question how many miracles did you see?Ye shall know them by their fruits,the word speaks about the manifestation of the power of GOD.,in nearly 20 years in that place i saw NO POWER.
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(Date Posted:08/12/2006 11:15 AM)

I must say, though, that my children and I have been healed many times (of, course, sometimes not) and I have not had to give the kids any medicine in so many years. I'm sorry to sound so lost, or confused -- I really am. But what is keeping me searching and finding out more about this church is because I really want to keep my children safe. We have gone through a lot because my husband is not "saved" and our lives have been just horrible in the last few years. I'm not even sure how I'm going to be able to explain to them that all they have ever known and believed in may not be right. I know I will lose my closest family as well. It's just heart-breaking.
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(Date Posted:08/12/2006 11:24 AM)

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I must say, though, that my children and I have been healed many times (of, course, sometimes not) and I have not had to give the kids any medicine in so many years. I'm sorry to sound so lost, or confused -- I really am. But what is keeping me searching and finding out more about this church is because I really want to keep my children safe. We have gone through a lot because my husband is not "saved" and our lives have been just horrible in the last few years. I'm not even sure how I'm going to be able to explain to them that all they have ever known and believed in may not be right. I know I will lose my closest family as well. It's just heart-breaking.

Are you still in the assembly! your children will work it out for themseves as they mature,heartache either way as they continue to see the hypocrisy within the place,be strong and the omnipotent Lord will be with you and your children.             

 

 

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(Date Posted:09/12/2006 7:43 AM)

What ever happened to that tall blonde guy with the short wife who lived in Lara? You know the guy who gave a testimony on peeing on an extension cord and zapping hit little friend. Adrian something. He uses to be a youngies leader I think. Slikerman
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(Date Posted:09/12/2006 9:41 AM)

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What ever happened to that tall blonde guy with the short wife who lived in Lara? You know the guy who gave a testimony on peeing on an extension cord and zapping hit little friend. Adrian something. He uses to be a youngies leader I think. Slikerman
He still goes and so does his short wife. He's not what you'd call blonde now, more grey! He lives in leopold now as that's where his daughter an son in law live. His son has left but son in law and daughter are a super spiritual and drag there child through poverty stricken countries preaching the word of noel.
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(Date Posted:09/12/2006 11:41 AM)

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Reply to : AnonymousWhat ever happened to that tall blonde guy with the short wife who lived in Lara? You know the guy who gave a testimony on peeing on an extension cord and zapping hit little friend. Adrian something. He uses to be a youngies leader I think. SlikermanHe still goes and sodoes his short wife. He's not what you'd call blonde now, more grey! He lives in leopold now as that's where his daughter an son in law live. His son has left but son in law and daughterare a super spiritual and drag there child through poverty stricken countries preaching the word of noel.
All I can say is I hope that couple keep their child away (if it's a girl) from the girl's father in law as he is a child molester and I should know! He should be in prison, I hope one day he is caught out.
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(Date Posted:09/12/2006 2:31 PM)

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" All I can say is I hope that couple keep their child away (if it's a girl) from the girl's father in law as he is a child molester and I should know! He should be in prison, I hope one day he is caught out. "

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I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say .   Gossip on such topics quickly gets way off beam and not true.  Such is the case here as the accuser was caught out blatantly lying , but unfortunately the damage was already done and a good persons reputation sullied.

Then there is the GRC protocol and of coarse Noel always listens to the complainant first through the door and in this case as all others , he cannot turn about-face and say sorry........   the rest is history  - another victim of GRC Pty.Ltd.  spiritual abuse  -  the innocent take the rap.

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(Date Posted:09/12/2006 10:55 PM)




What ever happened to that tall blonde guy with the short wife who lived in Lara? You know the guy who gave a testimony on peeing on an extension cord and zapping hit little friend. Adrian something. He uses to be a youngies leader I think. SlikermanHe still goes and so does his short wife.


Zapping his little friend, oh my, I just hope his short wife is ok. Did she also give a testimony on getting zapped when she was holding onto  adrian whilst he peed?
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 12:35 AM)

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Reply to anonymous," All I can say is I hope that couple keep their child away (if it's a girl) from the girl's father in law as he is a child molester and I should know! He should be in prison, I hope one day he is caught out. " ************************I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say . Gossip on such topics quick
Mot Mot, go back and read it again and see where I typed the words "I should know", yes he molested ME when I was 14 years old. This is not gossip thanks very much. And as for a damaged reputation, well I wonder how his reputation would stand if I contacted the federal police!
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 12:39 AM)

 


Reply to : motmotReply to anonymous," All I can say is I hope that couple keep their child away (if it's a girl) from the girl's father in law as he is a child molester and I should know! He should be in prison, I hope one day he is caught out. " ************************I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say . Gossip on such topics quickMot Mot, go back and read it again and see where I typed the words "I should know", yes he molested ME when I was 14 years old. This is not gossip thanks very much. And as for a damaged reputation, well I wonder how his reputation would stand if I contacted the federal police!

In fact he has been a child molester for 30 years. As they say a leopard never changes his spots. And I don't believe the others that came forward were lying. I know what he did to me and he is evil.
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 3:46 AM)

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Reply to : motmotReply to anonymous," All I can say is I hope that couple keep their child away (if it's a girl) from the girl's father in law as he is a child molester and I should know! He should be in prison, I hope one day he is caught out. " ************************I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say . Gossip on such topics quickMot Mot, go back and read it again and see where I typed the words "I should know", yes he molested ME when I was 14 years old. This is not gossip thanks very much. And as for a damaged reputation, well I wonder how his reputation would stand if I contacted the federal police!In fact he has been a child molester for 30 years. As they say
If you are who I think you are, you had beautiful curly hair as a kid.  David the rock spider has done his damn best to say that you came onto him - Be assured anyone that hears/heard this side of the story would laugh like I did. Imagine blaming a kid -Vengeance is mine saith the Lord... he will get his in the end.  I always thought he was a weirdo even 30 years ago he loved to pick kids up all the time - which is fine, but it was the look in his eyes.  His brother was convicted of similar crimes with young boys.  Put it behind you love and rest assured that everybody knows what a scumbag he is
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 4:49 AM)

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : motmotReply to anonymous," All I can say is I hope that couple keep their child away (if it's a girl) from the girl's father in law as he is a child molester and I should know! He should be in prison, I hope one day he is caught out. " ************************I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say . Gossip on such topics quickMot Mot, go back and read it again and see where I typed the words "I should know", yes he molested ME when I was 14 years old. This is not gossip thanks very much. And as for a damaged reputation, well I wonder how his reputation would stand if I contacted the federal police!Yes..I know who you are also and I always believed your side of
No you are all wrong. This took place when I was 14 years old, 26 years ago at an outing at Daylesford I think it was. I don't know why he targeted me unless there are others at the same time who also never came forward for fear of not being believed. He was a Sunday School leader of sorts at the time and I clearly remember him not leaving us alone, he was always in the shadows loitering round. He made sure he molested me where he could not be seen (of course!) well I never told anyone for years thinking who would believe a young teenager over this young married man with a child (I think at the time). Well oneday he may get a tap at the door. Any other girls that have come forward are not lying. He is revolting, I saw him down town once and should have run him down at the crossing!
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I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say . Gossip on such topics quickly gets way off beam and not true. Such is the case here as the accuser was caught out blatantly lying , but unfortunately the damage was already done and a good persons reputation sullied.



reply to MotMot, if you are referring to the 14yo curly haired girl as the accuser who was caught out as blatantly lying then you are wrong. There have been numerous allegations against this rock spider but nothing has ever been, to my knowledge, reported and investigated by the police. Noel herbert HOLLINS is well aware of the allegations and has reportably put David the rock spider out of fellowship  over such matters but because of the secrecy of the GRC it is hard to know for certain! And now we have someone coming onto the forum speaking about a molestation case that occurred 26 years ago. You would have to be stupid to think that David the rock spider is innocent and the accusers are lying.    
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 9:28 AM)

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I can understand your anger towards such things, but unless you yourself did bare witness, then it is all and only hear-say . Gossip on such topics quickly gets way off beam and not true. Such is the case here as the accuser was caught out blatantly lying , but unfortunately the damage was already done and a good persons reputation sullied.reply to MotMot, if you are referring to the 14yo curly haired girl as the accuser who was caught out as blatantly lying then you are wrong. There have been numerousallegations against this rock spider but nothing has ever been, to my knowledge, reported and investigated by the police. Noel herbert HOLLINS is well aware of the allegations and has reportably put David the rock spider out of fellowship&n
Thankyou, yes you would have to be stupid and naive to believe a creep like him. Rock spider is a good name too by the way. I have nothing to gain from "outing the rock spider" there is probably no reason why the others would lie either.
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 2:32 PM)

To all who replied to my post ,

The allegations of molestation were quite strong and so I tried  to be carefull in that which I said as we  ALL  must be very wary as to what we say,  write  or publish. I do not know all the facts and in someway here tried to stop the gossip as this is a very dangerous area . I also said that unless ' you'  have witnessed it ( or in this case , state that you were a victim    )then you MUST be carefull of your  allegation in fear of false accusation. 

If I am wrong,  then I stand corrected and if so, I can see that you would feel quite offended and if that be the case let me apologise. 

Now if what you say is true , then you should or should have reported it . That is easy for me to say but this is heavy gear.  Even though it has been a long time , it doesn't change the past and to some people it does or can leave you  emotionaly scared. The authorities are the ones to source out other victims and or guide you . They are very good at it . They are a special group who are very sensitive to the cause and very understanding.  It's up to you as to whether you see them or not but I suggest you at least talk to them of your position.

Meanwhile , everyone, please be very mindfull of what you say.

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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 11:26 PM)

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To allwho replied to my post ,The allegationsof molestation were quite strong and soI tried to be carefull in that whichI said as we ALL must be very wary as to whatwe say, write or publish. I do not know all the factsand in someway heretried to stop the gossip as this is a very dangerous area. I also said that unless ' you' have witnessed it ( or in this case , state that you were a victim )thenyou MUST be carefull of yourallegationin fear of false accusation.If I am wrong, then I stand corrected and if so, I can see that you would feel quite offended and if that be the case let me apologise.Now if what you say is true , then you should or should have
WHAT I AM SAYING IS TRUE! In the time I have been reading this forum I haven't come across anyone making false accusations of child molesting, so Mot Mot chill out a bit. You are saying that if this is true I should have contacted the authorities. Well how could I as a 14 year old. Think about it, especially a 14 year old in the GRC! Goodness Mot, get with it. Even when I grew up how could I contact the police knowing the assembly and Noel would be dragged into this for sure. I was very loyal and respectful of Noel and the assembly like most others and would not have dreamt of upsetting the apple cart so to speak. Now I am in a different situation, but even up until 2 years ago I still felt a certain amount of respect towards Noel. Even if I haven't contacted the police does not make me a liar. Sometimes I wonder about people!
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Well I was not at all suprised to hear about David, I believed the girl who claimed he'd molested her (blond curly haired) and believe almost anybody else who claims the same. It makes alarm bells go off when you get 1 Sunday School leader for decades. One thing I'm concerned about is that his son has in recent years been a Sunday School leader. I think it's genetic with those urges and I'm Very concerned having children in sunday school. If my kids ever came to me and said that anything like this has happened to them I would imediately take them to the police station and file a report on it then I'd inform noel. If he put me out for it I'm sure many would walk. Our childrens safety is most important.
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(Date Posted:11/12/2006 9:00 AM)

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To allwho replied to my post ,The allegationsof molestation were quite strong and soI tried to be carefull in that whichI said as we ALL must be very wary as to whatwe say, write or publish. I do not know all the factsand in someway heretried to stop the gossip as this is a very dangerous area. I also said that unless ' you' have witnessed it ( or in this case , state that you were a victim )thenyou MUST be carefull of yourallegationin fear of false accusation.If I am wrong, then I stand corrected and if so, I can see that you would feel quite offended and if that be the case let me apologise.Now if what you say is true , then you should or should have
Why are you been so defensive MOT MOT,as one of the most outspoken critics of the GRC CULT and a voice to bring the place down,we should see this as an opportunity for this to be brought out for all the world to see how this tyrant HERBIE runs this GOD forsaken place.
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(Date Posted:11/12/2006 1:29 PM)

What does /did noel herbert hollins know of these incidents? Was he aware of the incident that occurred 26 yrs ago at Daylesford, and when was he made aware of it. Was he aware of the incident that  happened a few years ago to the 14 yo curly haired girl? And have there been other incidents of child molestation that he has been aware of but has failed to do anything about? I think it is now law that peolpe in the medical profession MUST report any such cases to the police. Really Noel Herbert HOLLINS has failed respect the goodness of every GRC member by failing to report such incidents to the authorities or urging the victim and their families to contact the authorities. Really what has he achieved by keeping such things in house. Nothing except a cover for the perpetrator to continue to offend and weasel out of allegations if and when they arise. Noel is as guilty as the perpetrator. Some people have said "put up or shut up" which I feel is totally unfair on the victim. They have gone thru such an ordeal of disrespect and unfathomable events whilst being a member of the lords protected people, the GRC sheep, and have somehow survived. Really, it is up to Noel herbert Hollins to put the pressure on the perpetrator to turn himself into the police. Noel should recognise that it is not fault of himself, the GRC, the bible or whatever, but that it is a mental fault of the person themself. Noel should recognise that within a group of people that you will have this type of problem from time to time.   
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