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(Date Posted:05/11/2010 5:28 PM)
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There may be people leaving the GRC, but it is still by far has the biggest church attendance in Geelong. In my searching around most other churches are not even half the size of the GRC.  Why is this you think?
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:05/11/2010 5:35 PM)

Maybe because there are more people easily deluded?

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:05/11/2010 5:45 PM)

Geelong has never been noted to demonstrate much intelligence.-oops!

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:05/11/2010 5:47 PM)

The churches with the most control mechanisms in place have the most control over their congregations.

People are too scared to leave, and too conditioned to consider moving on.

There is no freedom in the GRC.

Most prison compounds have more residents than any church in Geelong too.
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:05/11/2010 5:56 PM)

Seriously though, Noel Hollins is one of the most manipulative, deceptive, overpowering, self centred person that prays on the ignorance and weakness of others to achieve a means to an end in the name of God and religion. Fear is the prime tool in his quest for empowerment.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:05/11/2010 7:12 PM)

 I was reflecting on the 'plight' of those who have left Geelong to minister to folk further afield in Australia and overseas and also the 'lot' of those who are being ministered to.

The GRC Pty Ltd preaches 'another doctrine' and because of this, any Word of Salvation and Hope, that is spoken to the assembled folk is based wholly on a lie.

Unlike true Missionaries, who bring spiritual enlightenment, the love of Christ and care and concern for each other and the wider population, the GRC Pty Ltd men ministering to the new 'flock', bring absolutely nothing to the group or society at large. 

Instead they put them under the same bondage, using guilt, fear and manipulative sermons to bring the assembled folk to heel. 

They are kept separate, they are encouraged to feel superior to other religious groups or sects and the only fruit borne by the GRC Pty Ltd stems from 'ignorance' (no knowledge of the Gospel message) and the fear of condemnation. Guilt seems to pervade each spin-off group.

Some of the younger people who have gone overseas to preach THE Word (Hollin's false doctrine) leave behind careers and family who pine for their company.

Unfortunately, the zealous heart can't discern the truth of the situation and the myth of the GRC Pty Ltd preaching The Word to the One True Church throughout the World is perpetuated.

The tragedy is three fold.....the ministry going out preaching false doctrine...the ones who minister losing contact with friends and family and careers (when you know Hollin's is so wrong, this just seems so tragic and such a totally useless exercise)....and lastly the folk who are being ministered to, who are not only fed false doctrine, but are encouraged to live their lives the GRC Pty Ltd way, cutting off friends and family who do not accept 'the Lord the GRC way.' Family groups in far away places, are fractured and suffer in a way that is foreign to Western society.

I truly hope and pray that people tangled in the GRC Pty Ltd web of lies, find the REAL truth of the Gospel message and are able to escape their bondage and move on to a more enlightened, spiritually rewarding, caring, church or religion, that will fulfil everything they were searching for, when they were ensnared by the GRC Pty Ltd.

Glad (never more Glad to be out of the GRC Pty Ltd than now)

 


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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:06/11/2010 2:16 PM)

             Numbers , numbers , numbers.  Just because there are more people here or there, doesn't mean or relate to  'that being the Norm' !
If that was to be the case , then the Chinese Nation, Indian or whoever would be right,  and if what Noddy Noel and his GRC Pty.Ltd. preach is so perfect and THE  ANSWER,  the the world would flock and follow.
             If the was a cure for Cancer , by simply eating and drinking asparagus juice, then we would all know about it and the whole world would be a wonderful place.  The problem always is the human elliment, the Power and the Glory side of what they think and call it Faith, that grey and blind area which causes no end of arguements all around the world ....... they confuse Faith with Wisdom and muddy the water with it. A potent mix of twisted ideals, hopes and spin,  better known as Witch Doctors....

You sucked me in Noddy, and thanks for kicking me out too!
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(Date Posted:06/11/2010 7:16 PM)

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Hi M & R ... Anything wrong with Chat Box ? -- my message is "Cbox expired' .. Hasn't passed away has it ??

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:06/11/2010 11:37 PM)



Hi Moth,

I'm having the same problem as Meta is with Cbox.  My posting comes up as "Posting failed. This Cbox is locked. Posting is disabled."

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(Date Posted:07/11/2010 1:33 AM)

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Hi Moth,

I'm having the same problem as Meta is with Cbox.  My posting comes up as "Posting failed. This Cbox is locked. Posting is disabled."

Epi

Moth, I can book it up on my credit card for now if that is the prob..

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:07/11/2010 3:34 AM)

 It usually credits my paypal automatically.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:07/11/2010 4:41 AM)

What about Planetshakers Geelong, Barabool Hills Baptist or Life Centre ... how do they compare in numbers to GRC? 

One thing is for sure the GRC would have more ex-members than any other church in Geelong, or Vic or even Australia!!!
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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:07/11/2010 4:55 PM)

Well with over 800 people going there each week, Noel must be doing something right to have the biggest Church in Geelong!
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:07/11/2010 5:39 PM)

You’re kidding, right? Noel's version of the gospel is far removed from "the gospel that was once laid down by the Apostles." If he was doing something right, there would be literally thousands attending this day. The "hard-nuts" that are still hanging on rather believe a lie than God. As has been said before; it is all about deception and the control mechanisms that are in place that lure and and keep people in ignorance.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:07/11/2010 6:05 PM)

The poster must realise it is not the church numbers that make a person right, it is about how one views what God's grace is all about. After all, the churches mentioned in 'Revelation' only averaged 30-40 members each.

RH

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:08/11/2010 12:27 AM)

 It's hard for people to admit that they were wrong for all those years. And that we were wrong and telling others(family, friends,work=mates) over the years that they are bad, wrong, stupid and going to hell and after pissing them off leaving the grc and saying to them "opps! I guess I was wrong"
And when you invest your life, money, time, feelings, soul to a place it's hard to leave.

And giving the time that the place has been around 800 is not a big number.
And look at the catholic church tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members

the splits and the numbers and still they are wrong about god and mary and jesus
But which religion is right?
no proof of god does not mean there is no god but it sure does explain unicorns....what?
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:08/11/2010 3:00 AM)

 800? I find that a rather high estimate. There were around 700 back in the mid 1990s. Has it grown since then?
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:08/11/2010 4:59 AM)

 The carpark and surrounds don't seem to be as busy as they were in the mid 1990's, but maybe the rule about the number of cars per family being driven to the meetings has been enforced.

It would be good to get the number of 'bums on seats' from someone who attends and is in the know. 

Then again, it might be really depressing to find out how many people are being duped too.

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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 2:42 AM)

I reckon 800 is a bit steep, there was about 800 in the early 90's when I went and it certanly looked like there was way less attending when Today Tonight took in their hidden camera not that long ago ... some one drive past on Sunday and see if they still have chairs going into the foyer.
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 2:47 AM)

Let's put a perspective on this

800 people in 50 years in a city with 197,000 people .... crap all!



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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 3:09 AM)

I noted the chairs were roped off at the rear. Maybe they were expecting a surge of new people to come in and fill them. Have to have hope I suppose.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 5:46 AM)

 The chairs were always roped off at the back....that way you were forced to fill the Hall from the front and not sit in a favourite place towards the back.

The footage on the TV of the 'meeting' was old archive footage for the most part.

Some was also at the very end of the 'meeting' after a lot of folk had left.

A lot of people still attending have had major attitude changes to 'backsliders', but as I have said before, they are trapped because of the way the NHH MAKES people marry within the cult.
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and all the people said?
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 7:19 PM)

There are many millions of people who pride themselves in regularly attending church and memorizing prayers and hymns.
These same people drive past the homeless, the poor and the sick without giving the slightest thought of offering help.
They race each other for the best parking spots and compete to look best and sound best to others.
The man Jesus that these people claim as their saviour would have no part in the farce that they call Christian religion.
We need to grow up and discover the truth by opening our minds to facts and rejecting ancient superstitions.
We need to reject the myth that there exists a chosen people who believe that they are superior to other human beings.
We need to be willing to let go of the bible that has caused so much misery to mankind and go forward into the future.
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 8:58 PM)

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There are many millions of people who pride themselves in regularly attending church and memorizing prayers and hymns.
These same people drive past the homeless, the poor and the sick without giving the slightest thought of offering help..................
We need to grow up......................


Hello Guest,

Well now, let's not worry about the many millions of people who pride themselves on attending church etc or whether "WE" need to grow up or not.  I'm curious to know whether YOU always stop your car for the homeless, the poor and the sick and offer help and whether these same people are always in YOUR thoughts.

I look forward to your reply.

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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 9:46 PM)

Guest,

There are many millions of people who pride themselves in regularly attending church and memorizing prayers and hymns. I'm sure there are. These same people drive past the homeless, the poor and the sick without giving the slightest thought of offering help. Really?! You've personally witnessed these "many millions" abrogating their Christian responsibilities? My but you must get around! They race each other for the best parking spots and compete to look best and sound best to others. I can only imagine the carnage that must take place weekly, with all those millions of cars jockying for so few car parking spaces! Can you share the photos? That'd be kewl.

The man Jesus that these people claim as their saviour would have no part in the farce that they call Christian religion.
Actually, the farce is the one that you portray as the Christian religion. We need to grow up and discover the truth by opening our minds to facts and rejecting ancient superstitions. Given the sorts of 'truth' and 'facts' that you've offered up in just a few short lines, methinks you might have quite a bit of 'growing up' and 'discovering' to do for yourself. We need to reject the myth that there exists a chosen people who believe that they are superior to other human beings. Uh, oh! The philosophers of science won't be happy. We need to be willing to let go of the bible that has caused so much misery to mankind and go forward into the future. Actually, what 'we' ... well, 'you' really ... need to do, is let go if your penchant for misinformed, ahistorical nonsense; the sort that the truly ignorant persist in trotting out about Christianity.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:10/11/2010 12:21 AM)

Yeah and societies that dont follow the Bible are always wonderful happy and peaceful.
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Hello Guest,

Well now, let's not worry about the many millions of people who pride themselves on attending church etc or whether "WE" need to grow up or not.  I'm curious to know whether YOU always stop your car for the homeless, the poor and the sick and offer help and whether these same people are always in YOUR thoughts.

I look forward to your reply.

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One day a lot of us will be homeless so I"m saving my money to fend this off.
Since my god does not order me to help out the poor I don't.  Oh right what god?
I use to care about them but was stabbed by one so f$^% them all.
And if we get rid of the banksters we will have enough money for everyone. But most people like you are too stupid to know what the banksters are doing. But I"ll try and teach you what is going on and what will be the end out your world.  And I'm not looking forward like you are to WW3.

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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:10/11/2010 3:36 PM)

Guest,

One day a lot of us will be homeless so I"m saving my money to fend this off. Since my god does not order me to help out the poor I don't.  Oh right what god? I use to care about them but was stabbed by one so f$^% them all. And if we get rid of the banksters we will have enough money for everyone. But most people like you are too stupid to know what the banksters are doing. But I"ll try and teach you what is going on and what will be the end out your world.  And I'm not looking forward like you are to WW3. I see. Well, I reckon you've removed any lingering doubts and have concretely established your credibility with your last post. Speaking for myself, I think I'll continue to provide the benefit of the doubt to those "many millions of Christians" that you seem to have a problem with.

Goose.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:10/11/2010 3:42 PM)

Oh Ian - today's Garfield is even better - you are still the squashed ant.

And the clanging cymbal.

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http://www.wimp.com/thefacts/


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It must be hard being ian

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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:11/11/2010 5:19 AM)

Mulder,

yes the end is near but here is an cute little song to go out by ... It must be hard being ian. Probably. I reckon it'd be much easier being you, should the facts be known. After all, you don't have to worry about niggling little things like 'truth' and 'reality'.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:12/11/2010 4:53 PM)

there is no way 700 people attending weekly meetings. Noel reorganised the seating in the hall to make it appear like more people were there, more of an illusion than a growth. There would have been about 700 in the mid 90s and perhaps now days about 500 mostly unhappy and trapped people attending.  There are occassionally people in the foyer but only because they are people who'd like to sit together and can't get seats together in the hall due to the set up or people with children sitting with them since there is no child minding for kids between the age of 2.5-3.5 and they sit with their parents up the back.
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:12/11/2010 4:56 PM)

forgot to mention, that is only at the commuinion meeting and I'd guess only half-a third would return to all the other meetings.
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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:13/11/2010 7:23 PM)

Most people I know there are very happy staying. you get a picture from this forum that every in the GRC is un happy, but many love it there!
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Most people I know there are very happy staying. you get a picture from this forum that every in the GRC is un happy, but many love it there!

There definitely are people attending who are quite happy going along to the meetings and having their lives mapped out for them. Fellow-shipping with fellow 'saints' and fitting in to the GRC Pty Ltd way of life. 

It is very easy to fall into line and have others do the thinking for you and set boundaries and parameters for your day to day life......IF you believe eveything that comes from the 'platform'.

As you say, there are many,

BUT

Once you see the deception and the manipulation, the double standards, elitism and then realise that 'another doctrine' is being preached, together with ideas that are so way out, with no Scriptural evidence, then it becomes an agony to go through the motions.

People do stay, who would leave, if it didn't mean leaving behind a lifestyle that they have been conditioned to for many, many years.

They would leave, if it didn't mean leaving behind family and lifetime friends and having your marriage dissolve.

They would leave, if they weren't working for or employing GRC Pty Ltd members.

They would leave, if it was easy to pick up a shattered belief system and life and assimilate into 'normal' society again.

They would leave, if there was help and a support system out there to make the path easy for them.

They would leave, if society in general truly understood what it was like to have given up most of your life to a CULT/SECT.

Yes, there are people who are genuinely happy in the GRC Pty Ltd, but there are also those who would love nothing better than to leave, BUT THEY CAN'T.

It isn't easy and the ones trapped in there deserve recognition and sympathy.

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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:13/11/2010 8:29 PM)

.........    and that's it in a nutshell !  .....  and that is not mentioning all the other things, points of view, complexitives and intricacies let alone "YOUR GOING TO HELL"  fear and guilt that's thrown at you.
              It's an Abusive Cult which only survives because it is a finacially run business, a Company - The GRC Pty.Ltd. and every $ you give goes through Noel Hollins hands    ........   " it's your money Ralph !"    and you keep giving it to him when it should be going to  Your Own Children
            
               Precious little of those hard earned $ goes to "The Work".  So DON"T  criticise us heathen backsliders when things don't suit you !

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.........    and that's it in a nutshell !  .....  and that is not mentioning all the other things, points of view, complexitives and intricacies let alone "YOUR GOING TO HELL"  fear and guilt that's thrown at you.
              It's an Abusive Cult which only survives because it is a finacially run business, a Company - The GRC Pty.Ltd. and every $ you give goes through Noel Hollins hands    ........   " it's your money Ralph !"    and you keep giving it to him when it should be going to  Your Own Children
            
               Precious little of those hard earned $ goes to "The Work".  So DON"T  criticise us heathen backsliders when things don't suit you !

I don't think the 'guest' post was being critical, they were just pointing out the type of 'saint' that they have had contact with.

I don't doubt for a minute that the folk they know, are probably the 'happy, clappy' followers who are perfectly at ease, sitting there listening to the same depressing tripe week after week.

The fact that the GRC is a PTY LTD company IS a very IMPORTANT point. 

The fact that they do NO 'good works' at all, is an indicator of the elitist Cult/Sect that it is.

You would think, if you were putting large sums of money into the 'velvet bag' each week, you would at least want some transparency and to see the Financials of the Company at some stage.

AND you should be asking 'why don't the GRC Pty Ltd do any good works?'

It ISN'T covered by the Scripture that you won't enter 'heaven by good works alone'. If you contemplate that Scripture, you would deduce that you ARE meant to do SOME good works!!!!

There are poor souls trapped in a net that has been carefully woven over the years, using twisted scripture and family relationships as the glue that binds them in the GRC Pty Ltd web of despair. (for some)

It is not a net that makes NHH a 'fisher of men', it is a net that ensnares good folk who are seeking 'life's mysteries' and a relationship with God.

As we approach Christmas, a time of reflection and joy for the 'mainstream' churches, spare a thought for the 'saints' with their End of Year gifts (some wrapped in Christmas paper) and the forced expression of 'joy and camaraderie' (for some), at the various Camps and get-togethers in Australia and overseas.

To be free of all that hypocrisy, particularly at this time of year, is a reason to celebrate and reflect what might have been if we (the lucky ones) were still subject to GRC PTY LTD and its ways.

Glad  


 




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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:14/11/2010 12:52 AM)



Noel Hollins will die one day and we'll all see what happens.

 Life is as simple or complex as you want to make it Or for most of us it  ends up being as others want to make it. Sure one could say that it's ..new born to death..with a direct connection beset with obstacle yet an unbroken line. And others may think that it's  waves of ups and down and all arounds. And still others might think it to be a bunch of intersecting lines that we jump from one to the next and back again depending on who we are at that moment. But one thing it is is real and all too short.

Lets hope that Ian is not their new leader as they will soon find themselves grabbing for shovels to dig up the prophet. Even a dead Noel is better Ian yapping in your ear about his version of the one and true god.

It seems to have happened that a number of people who have left the grc are rci. cai are just as rabid and dogmatic as Noel. But that is to be expected as they are all trying to save souls and this is a never ending and often thankless task that requires a tireless leader with a swollen sense of himself and his believe. Reminds me of Mic in Sydney. One day this might lead to the death of his followers believe that the truth is shinning out if his arse


Of course you idiot
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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:14/11/2010 1:05 AM)

There are plenty there that are more than happy to stay there, pleanty of men who want religious justification to abuse their wives and children, if it isn't this cult they would be in another
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Re:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:14/11/2010 2:52 AM)

 I know of at least 30 souls in the Adelaide version who drag their feet going to meetings every week,they are waiting for the Lord to get rid of addison,they are going to be waiting along time.That cult has nothing to do with God.
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RE:GRC the biggest church attendace in Geelong
(Date Posted:14/11/2010 3:43 AM)

Anonymous Canuk,

Lets hope that Ian is not their new leader as they will soon find themselves grabbing for shovels to dig up the prophet. Even a dead Noel is better Ian yapping in your ear about his version of the one and true god. No doubt, but who is the 'Ian' that you had in mind?

Ian

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