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(Date Posted:08/12/2007 9:51 PM)
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"Heart of Fire" Extract

by Barry Chant 

In 1958, the Christian Revival Crusade (then known as the Commonwealth Revival Crusade) was being led in Melbourne by Lloyd Longfield and in Geelong, Noel Hollins.  Longfield was of medium build, with a smooth and pleasant speaking voice, and a persuasive manner.  He had been a travelling salesman, a staff sergeant in the A.I.F. for six years during the Second World War and a delicatessen proprietor for three years.  His war experience in the Middle East gave him an interest in Bible Prophecy and he was thus an early convert of the C.R.C. in Melbourne, where Bible prophecy was being strongly taught.  He had been quickly recognised as a man of great promise, and had been used with some effectiveness in both preaching and healing ministry.  In 1952, he had become pastor of the assembly.

Numbers began to grow under his positive preaching.  His manner was such that even those who disagreed with him found him to be an interesting — even entertaining — speaker.  There seemed to be an underlying sense of the humorous when he spoke — the twinkle in his eye and the inflection of his voice suggesting that there was another side to what he said, which he was not willing to declare openly.

Noel Hollins was a tall young man, well over six feet.  His preaching voice was strong and his methods direct.  He spoke simply and to the point, and with a seriousness of purpose that reflected an intensity of character.  At his conversion, he had abandoned a university course, and devoted his future entirely to the Lord's work.  A bachelor for many years, he was regarded as a prime goal by many of the female members!  Neither Longfield nor Hollins had any previous experience of Pentecostalism, or of serious Christianity of any kind, for that matter.  Their Christian experience began with their conversion; they had never known any committed Christians beyond the Crusade.  This fact explains in a small way some of the subsequent events.

From about 1955 onwards, tensions began to develop between assemblies in Melbourne and Geelong and Adelaide.  Initially, the rivalry was friendly.  Attendance figures were compared, and both Adelaide and Geelong, for example, were running about level with congregations numbering about 300.  Geelong opened its own hall in December, 1957 — a converted nissan hut of unusual but attractive design.  The next year, 1958, Adelaide purchased its first hall.  Longfield meanwhile, had purchased a tent and conducted evangelistic campaigns in Geelong and Brisbane.

Such mutual challenging was healthy.  But it also opened the doors for criticism.  Longfield visited Adelaide, and was rather distressed by what he regarded as extreme methods of exorcism.  He also felt that the South Australian brethren were not firm enough in their understanding and proclamation of the baptism in the Spirit.  So he and Hollins drew up what they claimed was a statement of faith for the Victorian assemblies in which they declared that salvation was the result of repentance and faith, but that if a believer then refused to be baptised either in water or the Spirit, he would forfeit that salvation.  Similarly, a breaking of fellowship with the assembly could result in forfeited salvation.

When the rest of the Crusade pastors got together to draw up a constitution, Longfield and Hollins refused to co-operate in such a move — to do so would be to abandon their "liberty" and autonomy as local churches.

Finally, there was some dissension in Melbourne because Longfield gave little scope for his officers to share in the financial management of the work.  He believed that as pastor he had the right to make decisions about handling of funds without having to consult others.  Although he did appoint a business council he still made independent decisions — decisions which many found unacceptable.

At this stage, the Crusade work in Australia was relatively small.  With three dominant personalities such as Longfield, Hollins and Harris, it was inevitable that unless tolerance was practised, clashes would occur.  Harris and Adelaide business man Don Barrett journeyed to Victoria to try to resolve things, but found that there was nothing that could be done, and so when in November 1958, the rest of the C.R.C. assemblies drew up a constitution, the two Victorian works disassociated themselves and became the Melbourne Revival Centre, and the Geelong Revival Centre, respectively.  Some other assemblies joined with them — mainly ones like Canberra (A.C.T.) and Port Lincoln (S.A.) which had been started as a direct outreach of the Melbourne and Geelong works by the roaming preacher named Len Day — a happy-go-lucky fellow who flew a small plane all over the country and treated all he met as long-lost friends.

Most remained loyal to the original Crusade movement, with small groups in Geelong and Melbourne refusing to follow their pastors' lead, and maintaining affiliation with the Crusade.

Since that time, the doctrinal position of the Revival Centres has become quite clear.  Without any compromise they openly declare that baptism in water and in the Holy Spirit are necessary for salvation.  Longfield once said.  "Jesus is coming again for those who pray in the Spirit, who are sealed by the Spirit." And again, "If they received the Spirit they haven't any life in them and are dead in trespasses and sins".

In a leaflet entitled "What must I do to be saved?" Longfield writes: "If we really believe Him, we obey Him.  We believe He is alive and that He has given to us the path of salvation.  We accept gladly the pattern of repentance, of water baptism and the promised power of the Holy Spirit.  Our obedience indicates that we 'rely' on Him, we 'trust' Him to save us from sin and to fill us with the Holy Spirit.  Such believing will bring the power of God into our lives."

The wording of this passage is careful.  But the meaning is clear.  Without baptism by immersion or the baptism in the Spirit, there is no real believing, and hence, no real salvation.  The following quotation makes the matter perfectly plain:

"Any Greek concordance will assure us that to believe (pisteuo) is to 'adhere to,' 'trust' or 'rely on.' In short, to believe embraces placing oneself in the hands of God.  To believe the Gospel is to accept the fact that it will be by obeying the commands we are now considering that our salvation will be effected ..."

This then is the distinguishing mark between the Revival Centres and most other Pentecostal groups in Australia.  Whereas the others teach both baptism in water and the baptism in the Spirit, they still agree that there is only one absolute essential for salvation, and that is trust in Jesus Christ himself alone for righteousness and freedom from sin.  The doctrines which separate these groups are important to them, but they have never been made pre-requisites for salvation.  Thus, on occasion, almost every Pentecostal church in this country has co-operated with churches of another Pentecostal denomination in some kind of joint venture.  In some states, all Pentecostal pastors meet regularly for fellowship together.  But the Revival Centres will never be — indeed, can never be — a part of this, for their whole concept of redemption sets them apart.

The Revival Centre doctrine of salvation results in other kinds of exclusivism.  Non-Pentecostal churches are fiercely criticised.  So Longfield writes:

"What Gospel?  A Gospel that will bring people to believe, to be baptised, to speak in tongues, to work miracles?  Or another Gospel?  A Gospel described in both Old and New Testaments as one of Holy Ghost fire and power, or the insipid apology for a so-called Gospel the professing church has foisted on the unwary today?"

In his preaching, he often challenges the congregation to prove that God is real.  What happens in the churches they come from?  What evidence do they have that God is alive?  In the Revival Crusade there is evidence of the reality of God.  People are healed and baptised in the Spirit.  Signs indicate God's power.

On one occasion he challenged:

"I meet a lot of people who say they are saved but who have never had a phenomenal experience.  The gospel should startle.  Tell me why people jump out of the baptistry here like a startled antelope shouting, 'Who electrified the water?'"

Longfield and his fellow-pastors find it necessary also to condemn the Pentecostal churches for compromise.  When Pentecostals associate with functions like the Billy Graham Crusades, they are supporting a watered-down form of the Gospel.

Pentecostals, on the other hand, feel that such criticism falls strangely from men who use a hymn-book in which there are more hymns by non-Pentecostals than anyone else!  And who use translations of the Bible (the Amplified Bible is popular) which were produced by (un-saved) non-Pentecostals!

A final by-product of the extremist doctrine is a rigid control over church members.  Most Pentecostals teach the importance of divinely-called leadership.  The offices of pastor, evangelist and teacher are seen as the result of divine calling rather than human choosing or training.  Thus, such ministries ought to be respected.  The Revival Centres, however, emphasise this more strongly yet.  For example,

"So many today are roaming around from one church to another.  They believe this to be the 'liberty' of the Lord.  It is not.  It is a form of lawless independence.  This is usually because they are not amenable to any type of oversight or correction ..."

This principle is agreed to by most Pentecostals.  But it is not normally applied with the same strength.  In practice, when people visit a Revival Centre, they are asked where they come from and what their intentions are.  If they belong to another Pentecostal church they are told clearly that they should either go back there or move in totally with the Centre.  Casual visitors are not sought.  Unbelievers who attend are, of course, encouraged to join the group.

On the positive side, this same attitude produces a movement of confident, forthright, fiercely loyal people.  There is no room for compromise.  You either accept everything that is taught or you leave.  Many do, in fact, leave.  But hundreds of others stay and fully endorse what is said and done.

The preaching is vigorous and clear.  Hearers are left in no doubt of what they must do.  There is no middle ground.

Revival Centre meetings are lively and positive.  There is a straight-forward hard-hitting quality about them.  As may be imagined, there is little sentiment or soft-pedalling.  The singing is enthusiastic, the praise fervent, the preaching forthright, and the expectancy high.  Some Pentecostal services give the sense of joyful spontaniety or of family fellowship; these qualities can be found in Revival Centres, too, but with them, there is also a sense of militancy.  These people are more like an army than a club.

The Melbourne Revival Centre has been frequently in the news.  In March, 1966, they paid over $90,000 for a property in Harcourt Street, Auburn.  This included one and a half acres of land and a seventeen-roomed house which had formerly been inhabited by the Lord Mayor of Melbourne.  Nearby residents feared that the building of a hall on the property would spoil the previously quiet character of the area, and their protests made newspaper headlines both in Victoria and interstate.

Ultimately, permission to build the hall was refused, but the residence was kept as a manse for Pastor Longfield.  The assembly purchased the old Rialto Theatre in Kew where crowds of up to 800 have met for special meetings.  Normally about 500 attend.

In 1970, the Revival Centres again made the news when the Melbourne Truth launched vigorous attacks against them.  The Christian Revival Crusade and other Pentecostals were also included in a series of articles which "exposed" many things that never happened in the first place.  There is no evidence that any serious effect resulted from this: Longfield's meetings probably grew.  He is the kind of man to revel in any publicity, good or bad.

Hollins' assembly in Geelong eventually broke up.  The majority of the congregation ultimately turned against him, and claimed the hall.  This congregation applied for re-admittance to the Christian Revival Crusade, which was granted.  Hollins began again, and fairly soon built up another strong assembly at Norlane, a Geelong suburb.  In 1972, there was a further disagreement between Hollins and Longfield.  At the time of writing, they were out of fellowship with each other.

In 1969, there were 14 Revival Centres in various parts of Australia, six of them in Victoria, the rest mainly in capital cities elsewhere.

Another feature of this ministry has been its radio voice.  For years, Longfield has broadcast every Sunday over a number of stations.  And on air as in pulpit, he lampoons the churches and proclaims his forthright, uncompromising message.

Each year, a camp is held.  The location has varied from year to year according to the availability of camp sites.  Recently, no camp site being available, the people simply booked out normal public caravan parks along a Victorian coast.  Each family provides its own tent or caravan and attends to its own cooking.  Combined rallies are held in the evenings.  Up to 1OOO people have attended such events.  Evening rallies have been effective in winning converts, who are usually baptised in the sea as soon as possible.

A periodical called the Voice of Revival is published.  Although dated, individual issues are devoted to particular themes — Bible Prophecy, the baptism in the Spirit, divine healing.  So they remain in stock for people seeking help on these subjects.  Few photos appear; articles are often anonymous, or at most, initialled; the magazine is brief, normally of about twelve pages.  True to the traditions of the Crusade from which it originated, the Voice of Revival is labelled as "proclaiming the gospel of salvation to the individual, the church and the nation."  Thus, the original vision for national revival is still there.

Early in Longfield's ministry, he was campaigning in Geelong.  A man came to the service one day who was well-known for his divisionary spirit.  He had caused trouble in other places by showing disloyalty among members of various Pentecostal churches.  Longfield politely asked him not to come again.  But next Sunday, he was again present.

Standing at the door was a new convert named Jack Clay.  An ex-sailor, he was muscular and strong.  He had just been healed by the power of God from an incurable disease for which medicine had been of no avail.  He looked at this man, and began to speak to him.  "Didn't Mr, Longfield ask you not to come here again?"  Then he grasped the man by the scruff of the neck and the seat of his trousers and bodily lifted him into the air.  He continued:

"Mr. Longfield is a gentleman.  I'm not.  If I see you here again, I'll pick you up, carry you outside and throw you over the fence."

With that, he put the man down.  He was never seen at these meetings again!

Jack Clay later became a prominent preacher in the Revival Centres.  With time, came also maturity, but nevertheless, this anecdote clearly reveals the enthusiasm and vigour that Longfield's ministry promotes.

Not everyone can agree with him — indeed many are repelled.  But none can deny that he knows what he wants and is determined to get it!

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RE:GRC History and associated churches
(Date Posted:09/10/2005 11:29 PM)

$%*'`[David]%*'`@Reply to : Anonymous

I know it is a bit of a hijack of this post, but you mentioned no growth in the Sydney assesembly! Has there been any growth in the several other small assemblies around the country, such as Ballarat, Bendigo, the Melb assems, and the several other assemeblies around the country. Can anyone throw any light on these assemblies and their lack of growth.

I can confirm that there has been no grow in most of the assemblies, and several have lost considerable numbers in recent years.  It is the ministry of these assemblies in particular, that my own private research discovered are by far the most abusive.  There have been significant losses experienced in Adelaide.  Even Anondale heights has been reduced to half its' size in recent years.  The atmosphere began to change after purchasing their own private hall.  (Please note that this property is also registered in the private name of the pastor.)   Ironically, things began to deteriorate rapidly after the Manila split, and possibly the most significant event that earmarks the beginning of the end, was the new years eve 1999/2000 sermon by Mr. Noel Hollins.  It was at this meeting when he stood up before a crowd of nearly 1,000 people and promoted himself to be the Apostle of the 'Only True Church in the World'.

Another challenge for the people who want to be guided by the Truth is to -  Ask Mr. Noel Hollins if he still holds to this claim, and ask him if he regrets giving this sermon.  Do this and you will know the Truth and will begin to live a new life. 



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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:08/12/2007 10:56 PM)

Wow ! Thanks for posting that .

  I didn't know such a list was in existance or still about. We need to follow some of this up. I know it is old and out of date, but what year does this represent ? .....    and what is the current status of who's who and where ?   If you or anyone can help fill in the gaps, that would be great  and while your at it, those who are no longer         " incharge "  or  " alive "  etc.  .....    where are they now and  why ?   What ever became - of ......  ?

 

 

For a start, 

   Reg Gray is the Bank Manager at the  National Australia Bank in Lara Victoria.

Why is he here again ? Wasn't  their some shady dealings done and he " HAD to get-out quick " away fromthe law  or something ?

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:09/12/2007 5:22 PM)

The GRC and associated assemblies are good at hiding their identity, is this because Noel doesn't want to be exposed?

They are not a reconised denomination but a group of individual PTY LTD's. Their assembly names differ, some of them sounding somewhat Christian. People could be tricked into visiting an assembly thinking it's a normal Christian Church, and then get the shock of their life or worse still maybe sucked in to Noel's web.

Noel it's time to identify your associated assemblies, so we can warn people of these dangerous groups. Here are the assembly names Ir emember, if we all put in we can identify all associated assemblies.GRC - Geelong Revival Centre

AALC - Adelaide Abundant Life Centre

SGTF - Sydney Gospel Truth Fellowship

PFGA - Perth Full GospelAssembly

WBFF - Warrnambool Bible Faith Fellowship

HSC - Hobart Salvation Centre

BFGF - Ballarat Full Gospel Fellowship


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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:12/12/2007 8:03 PM)

that list is more then 10 years old
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:12/12/2007 8:34 PM)

Old list or Not ! well posted gives people an idea what groups to aviode and beaware of... Also the creeps associated with them..

 

NEVER TOO LATE !!

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:12/12/2007 10:23 PM)

It gives me creeps to know that they've got 36 branches around the world! 

This has to STOP!!  We have to stop it!!

God will stop it too, it's biblical, it's happening right now!

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:13/12/2007 12:25 AM)

Yep, it's a very old list, but let the record stand; it could be helpful information to someone.
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           I have mulded over  these assemblies and I think it would be helpful to update it as to who is where now, so here goes and lets see how far we get. Correct me if I'm wrong as I may throw-in a guess or two , and I will update it as we progress - with your help ........

 

The list is dated 27/5/95 (under the Yugoslav heading)

 

Australia .

Adelaide :          Tony Addison ( Daddy Addy ) .... no fruit / growth / assemblies from him !

Brisbane :          Peter Simkin    .....    formally    Terry Parker - deceased

Toowoomba :    Brian Griggs   

Mooloolaba :     Mark Reed ?  

Maroochydore :  Andrew Jurgens

Townsville :       Closed down , formally Colin Plunket,  and he is now back in Croydon. 

Hobart :             Neil Griggs

Launceston :     Les Schumer

Albury :             David Buckle  ......... formally Robin Lowden of SA.  -  deceased

Ballarat :           * Freeman  .....  formally Bill Mc Donald- left because Noel would do nothing about Barry H.

Canberra :        Clayton Warren ..... formally David Fulford .... formally Reg Gray

Croydon :           Alan Morton   ...   formally   Ted Owen - deceased

Niddrie :             Alan Ganly

Bendigo :           Neil Primrose

Dimboola :         Greg Gerardi   Closed

Geelong :           Noel Hollins   ( Noddy Noel )

Warnnambool :  Russel Ivermee

Sydney :             Mick Brydon

Newcastle :        Harold Wilson

Perth :                 Doug Sims ?

Overseas :

Canada.

Vancouver :        Ben Smith   .... formally Nat De Palmer

Columbia.

Cali :                  Richard Long

England .

Bristol :              Mike Biscan

London :            Terry O'Neil

Northhampton : Martin Davis ?

Peterborough : Terry Begg

India .        

Bombay :            Ronny Calaco  ... (from Goa)  .....  formally Reg Gray

Goa :                  Santosh .....formally Ronny Colaco

Kiribati.                ?

Malaysia.

Kuching               A Ting

New Zealand :    ? .... formally Pat King

Philippines.

Manila :                David Fulford  .... formally Brett Warren

Ozamiz City :        Hector Oronman ........   Hector Oronan left the GRC in 2000 along with the entire Ozamiz, Bacolod and Baguio assemblies and all but 2 members of the Dagupan assembly. In any case he has been in Manila for many years now. (Sabrina)

 

others ?

 

Singapore .         T Koh Yung Hul  ..... formally Paul Hazelwood

Yugoslavia .        Ilija Krista

Fiji .

Lautoka :             Run by General Joke    ......   ( good one Glad ) 

Now I know there was more or there are different ones now ... like Fiji ? so please give forth of your knowledge and thankyou so far for what has come forth.

 

 

 

 

  to be cont'd  ....



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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:14/12/2007 2:37 PM)

Even you are out of date Mot.
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I was suprised to see the amount of people who were in "used in the ministry" who are no longer around now. Whether they have been "stood down" or whether they have run from it. If these people cant last, what hope is there for the "commoners"?.

Heres what i can add to your list motmot:

 

Adelaide :          Tony Addison ( Daddy Addy ) .... now fruit / growth / assemblies from him !

Brisbane :          Terry Parker - deceased. Now Peter Simkin is Pastor

Toowoomba :    Brian Griggs   

Mooloolaba :     Mark Reed

Townsville :       Colin Plunket ?  This assembly has closed down and Colin Plunkett has left.

Hobart :             Neil Griggs

Launceston :     Les Schumer

Albury :             David Buckle ?  Robin Lowden -  deceased

Ballarat :               Bill Mc Donald was ill ...and left dis-enchanted ? Now its Pastor Freeman, straight out of the  1800's.

Canberra :        Clayton Warren . Where is D. Fulford now ? D.Fulford is now in the Phillapines

Croydon :           Alan Morton ?    Ted Owen - deceased

Niddrie :             Alan Ganly

Bendigo :           Neil Primrose

Dimboola :          Stork ?    (it's all I can think of ) this assembely has closed too.

Geelong :           Noel Hollins   ( Noddy Noel )

Warnnambool :  Russel Ivermee

Sydney :             Mick Brydon

Newcastle :        Cant think of his first name but he has now become Pastor Wilson

Perth :                 Doug Sims ?

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:15/12/2007 2:53 AM)

When you say Colin Plunket has left do you mean left Townsville or the church?
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:15/12/2007 3:00 AM)

I think you will find that most of the "pastors" listed are more "common" than you think. It is a rather odd title for the people in the assembly who are not involved in the "suck up as hard as you can" click. If you look at some of the names mentioned above they are real bogons and slummy's, Mick Brydon, Terry Parker, Brian Griggs, Mark Reed, Harold Wilson, Clayton Warren and the list goes on. Those mentioned are worse than your average Joe that see hanging out in Whittington and Corio.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:15/12/2007 6:28 AM)

Reply to is_aimoo_guest(09/12/2007 1:51 PM)..Even you are out of date Mot.

Of course I'm out of date and I would like to be as knowledgeable and as eddicated as you !
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:15/12/2007 5:23 PM)

Reply to : youngies_no_more   You are so right, the transparency with which you are able to identify all the affiliated groups to the "mother group" is one of the main markers in being able to spot whether a group is a cult or not.

Steven Hassan in his book, "Combatting Cult Mind Control" has a chapter (Chapter 6) dedicated to the topic of  "Cult Assessment: How to Protect Yourself".

In it, he lists the points that one should look out for (transparency being one of them) if you are in a group, that you feel may be destructive, or if you are approached in the street or in your own home by a person wanting you to share in his or her way of thinking /  belief system /  newly discovered way to eternal life.

The entire book is perfect reading and Chapter 6 is just brilliant, I wish I had followed this small piece of advice------- "if you find yourself in an indoctrination session, stand up and announce that you don't like being manipulated and controlled. The louder you speak, the faster you will be escorted from the room. Who knows? Several other people might jump at the oppurtunity to leave with you."

Unfortunately, Hollin's group is very sly and the snare is a fine web which becomes tighter in its stranglehold on the unwitting victim in a very short time. 

You can add The Lautoka Revival Centre, Fiji to your list. 

I wonder how many groups there are worldwide AND what all their names are.

Cheers,

Glad



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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:16/12/2007 12:51 AM)

vancouver - Ben Smith
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
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Thanks again for your info., but there are so many I would like to know what happened to them, such as .....

Darren Harley , Gordon Crawford ..........  can you suggest any others ?

      Yes Glad , it is good to know that  " I'm outa date "  and that I am not effected by any one nor what is said .  To be able to see clearly that what they say , do or attempt to imply , proves that they are deluded in their Blind Faith or is it self justification or just live in fear of Noddy Noel   .......  It's all of the above !

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:16/12/2007 7:51 PM)

GREAT job Mot!  Keep up the good work and good faith!  You have my full support!  Have a pleasant day dude ..
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:18/12/2007 4:30 AM)

India         

Bombay :            Ronny Colaco  .....  formally Reg Gray who ran away from Bombay, became Pastor in Canberra, later lost his ministry in Canberra and returned to Geelong.

Goa :                  Santosh  ... formally Ronny Colaco, moved to Bombay

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:18/12/2007 9:49 PM)

Colin Plunkett has NOT left the church... He is in Croydon.. Top bloke just brain Washed like all Noels Sheep... I spent alot of time with him on camps and in the assembly.

 

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:19/12/2007 12:24 AM)

And his children?
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:04/01/2008 8:14 PM)

The list is dated 27/5/95 (under the Yugoslav heading) Please note correction to the Philippines entry Mot - Hector Oronan left the GRC in 2000 along with the entire Ozamiz, Bacolod and Baguio assemblies and all but 2 members of the Dagupan assembly. In any case he has been in Manila for many years now.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:04/01/2008 9:04 PM)

Hi Sabrina,

Nice to see you back online.  Hope all is well and good on your end.

Welcome! :)

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:04/01/2008 9:15 PM)

thanks, I'm just catching up on new posts here. Seeing what mindless control tactics are being imposed on the gullible. Sab
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:05/01/2008 8:00 AM)

all the 'PLUNKETT' kids have left - Colin and anita in the
CULT

 

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:06/01/2008 5:58 AM)

Reply to is_aimoo_guest(09/12/2007 1:51 PM)..The list is dated 27/5/95 (under the Yugoslav heading) Please note correction to the Philippines entry Mot - Hector Oronan left the GRC in 2000 along with the entire Ozamiz, Bacolod and Baguio assemblies and all but 2 members of the Dagupan assembly. In any case he has been in Manila for many years now.

sabrina

Thankyou Sabrina,

      I have now updated it with your info     ....  " It's on the List " 


Now ! Can anyone help me here ?  There is another list I would  LOVE  to get my hands on which I know does exist, and that is a compiled  ' Three-Ringed Binder '   written by Noel Hollins of his ' commandments ' called   .........  " List of Rules and Guides for Pastors " .    

I maybe wrong here to it's actual title , but I think we get the message .  This would be another one of his little    ' babies ' to which, and I have heard that it is known affectionately as   .........

' The Commandments  According To Noel '.

It's true , it does exsist, and we would ALL love to read it .  So if there is anyone or Ex-pastors out there, please help us .   ( My God !  Did I just say that ?  " pastors help us " ......  wash my mouth out ! )

No doubt the pages it contains would be a revelation.  If I knew where I could get my hands on one , I do believe I would commit  ' Break and Enter '  just to get it ! 

 So to all you Sherlock Holmes , Detectives and Sleuths,  get cracking and see if you can uncover this ' Binder / Booklet '  and let me know.

 Cheer the New Year

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RE: The Pastors Handbook: Noel's Commandments.
(Date Posted:06/01/2008 3:39 PM)

I have copied part of the booklet:

1/ Pastors, you are beyond reproach at all times, never admit fault/blame or apologise to the flock.

2/ You have full possesion of the tithes bag, use the money at your own discretion, DO NOT let your right hand know what your left hand does.

3/ Control is the operative word at all times. Know what your flock is doing, know who they communicate with, if needs be seek out a brother who can be of use in this area, find out why they are attending a GP's appointment, why they were not there last Sun, why they left the outing early.

4/Meeting attendance is mandatory. Do not tolerate any of your flock missing meetings. We need to know where they are at all times.

5/If the Pastor has to miss a meeting, DO NOT I reiterate DO NOT reveal to anyone the reason.

6/ Do not allow women in the assembly to wear inappropriate dress. eg: denim jeans or the like, mini skirts, t-shirts with print, sneakers, brothers have to wear ties, no open shirts.

7/ Pastors have a special calling, you are not just one of the flock, you are special.

8/ If Pastors are unsure on certain points, this is Noel Hollins ministry, I am the apostle and ultimately the decisions rest with me.

Thankyou

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:06/01/2008 6:06 PM)

That was wonderful Guest. I believed it up to the "don't let the right hand know what the left hand does".

Got a good laugh from your well researched booklet, keep us informed when you manage to "copy" the rest.

We all need a bit of light relief when dealing with the heartache caused by the GRC.

How can anyone read the actual rules of the GRC and fail to realise, that they are written by men with serious mental health issues.

Yes, the pastors are "specthial" all right!!!!! (devoted to a limited field of study, having a distinct individual character-also in a weakened sense)

WELL, LOOK AT THAT, I DID WHAT THE GRC DOES, I WAS SELECTIVE WITH THE VERSES OF THE DICTIONARY WITH REGARD TO THE WORD  "SPECIAL."

MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE, DOESN'T IT?

Cheers,

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:06/01/2008 6:59 PM)

Hi Mot,

I'm a very curious person too,mate.But us wanting to know every thing to what is going on in that twisted place, just gives those of them that tap into this forum reasons to snear, chukkle and wonder why we still want to know.I do know where you are coming from. I am proberbly as inquisitive. But really Mot the strength is to leave them and MOVE ON. Do we really need to know.But I guess it's your call.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:06/01/2008 8:49 PM)

With us knowing it here, it equates to the poor souls who do check this forum knowing it too.  It might be useful to them in ways that we probably do not anticipate now.  Give it a try, it might just be beneficial to someone, somehow, anyhow..

Mot, good idea.

Morning sunshine, very valid point.

 

Guess our take here now would probably be :

 "1Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

 2Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth.

 3If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.

 4He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap.

 5As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

 6In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good.

 7Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun: "

 

Not hoping to be annoyingly scriptural here, just thought this really could maybe apply in this situation

Truly there might be someone out there who is dying to behold the sun, however it rises .. 

Love ye all .. except we know who

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 12:16 AM)

Hi Guest,

I guess it is what perspective you are looking at with that lot...I suppose if there is some relevance there is a need to know. I personally feel the less advertising there is with that obnoxious crowd the better. Who gives a  SH#T who's where. I certainly don't want to know.

They don't deserve any recognition of any sort.

You see that is what they love.

I say treat them with CONTEMPT.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 12:33 AM)

Hi MS,

the way I took mot's post was as a warning. I think he wanted to show just how far this cancerous growth had spread.

I may be wrong. 

I travel a fair bit and I would like to know where the bastards are. I don't recall names, and the faces would have changed by now, plus there are a lot of new clones out there. I know what I would do if I was in a place on the list and some idiot sidled up to me chatting about "salvation the Bible way"etc.

Knee them in the you know where and then run like hell. Wish I had done that all those years ago !!!

Cheers,

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(Date Posted:07/01/2008 5:18 AM)

Hi Mot,

I'm a very curious person too,mate.But us wanting to know every thing to what is going on in that twisted place, just gives those of them that tap into this forum reasons to snear, chukkle and wonder why we still want to know.I do know where you are coming from. I am proberbly as inquisitive. But really Mot the strength is to leave them and MOVE ON. Do we really need to know.But I guess it's your call.

Love M.S.

        Hi MS.    ,

              I see your point and yes, we must move on, upward and forward, but as Glad said , I didn't post this as if I live in the past. I like to do exactly as you said  ......  "  keep the pressure on them and shove it up them ".

             Also there are several aspects as to why I do this. It is of great benefit for many who are at that horrible  " Half-way Point " of whether to walk or not and sometimes you have to be  Repetitively Blunt  for some to wake-up and see the Forest in-front of them .

             I am personally  ' well-over ' that Cult ' but I do take it seriously the welfare of others, always have , always will . I know I'm being repetitive  but there is no excuse for wrong doers to be " let-off " or " get away with "  their actions that may, can or do harm others .

             So why have I pursued to display ' Who's who and who's where'  , or  what is in that " Criminal Handbook  of  Bastardry ". 

           Well , I believe that  we all must know the   Eleventh Commandment  .....

      "  Know Thy Enemy ! "    

             .....   reveal and display the intent of their heart  .....   and as Glad said , she likes to know where they are when she travels so she can enjoy her holiday ...  or even just her shopping without being pestered etc. Again know as much as you can , knowledge is a wonderful friend and a comfort to your peace of mind. 

          Still MS.  ,  thanks for your post and point taken . We must always try to see all sides and it is the responses to these posts that reveal many truths...... 

         All Hail the New Year 

 

 

 

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 8:43 AM)

It's vital that as much relevent information as possible is posted to this forum. It may be used at some time by somebody who is researching a church in their area. All churches affilitated with the Revivals need to be categorised for the sake of anyone who may happen upon this forum and need to know. People may be looking to visit such a church, or have children that have got themselves involved.

Churches that follow this 'tongues' doctrine are more than generally off kilter to start with, and on that foundation they are forced to build a shaky but controlled construction. You virtually have to sell your soul and cage your freedom to take on the cult mentality that goes with the whole package.

We are unashamedly more than curious as to what is being said and done in these churches. This serves so that we can report this on the forum to those who may need to know. Sometimes the information isn't forthcoming and therefore the facts get scrambled... but that all comes out in the wash at some time. So if they jeer and chuckle at why we are so interested, then the answer is clear and true... we wish to expose every lie, every injustice, and every sad sick story that unfortunately squeezes itself from under its dreary deluded door.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 7:49 PM)

and all the people say... "AMEN" ...

Spot on boys!

Let's do it! ... NIKE

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 8:03 PM)

yes, it makes alot of sense to post the international list here as many folks off the australian shores may be right now suffering the abuse we've suffered before them and searching to put a finger to it. (i know people who have successfully got themselves SAVED this way...)

having it listed here makes the identification undoubtly easy and clear.  many folks especially those who are new in all 'assemblies' worldwide might not know 'inside' people and stories enough to recognise they've stumbled upon a forum associated to their local group.  hence the clear listing would unquestionably be very useful.  best is to have all the pictures of the bastards pin up here!

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:07/01/2008 8:46 PM)

One of the main ways to identify a CULT is to see how many names a group has worldwide.

The Catholic Church is just the Catholic Church and same for the C of E or the Uniting, but, Hollin's group has the NEED for ALL these names.

The main reason is so that the unsuspecting can't trace the abuse back to the Mother of all abusers, Hollins and the GRC. The majority of destructive cults behave in the same manner. Some churches are led by love and compassion , Hollin's is built on lies, fear, intimidation and the laying on of "guilt", not hands !! 

Mot, keep up the good work. Expose where they are and who they are. Post pictures, do whatever it takes to warn people and cause people to QUESTION their group or leader.

To be able to trace where the bullshit originates from, may save physical lives, and will definitely save spiritual lives.

Cheers,

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:08/01/2008 7:04 AM)

Hi To All My Buddies,

Well if nothing else, I have managed to fire up this topic of Mot's. All your posts were well put together you guys.I did get a lot out of all your thoughts. I guess my thinking on this subject didn't go as lateral as yours.I do agree whole heartedly to what you all have said.And go for it.But I personally have had a gut full of the whole distorted life that they all live. And prefer to move on and treat it all with uttermost contempt...But at the same time I'm very much involved with the damage it is doing to some of my family members at this moment which is hard going.They can't see the woods for the trees.And me out of the woods can see what is happening to their lives.And I can't do a thing about it, other than be as strong a support that I can be. Which I am doing. So Miss sentitive here doesn't really want to know anymore about them.So my friends, go for it, as they used to say "GO SILVER."

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:08/01/2008 8:27 PM)

Hi MS -  We are showing our age, "Hi Yo Silver Away" !!!!!!

I would rather forget them too, but some of the feedback of late has shown that we do serve a valuable function, and it is worth the small amount of misery to continue to expose the stupidity of the GRC doctrine and the double standards of the leaders of the various spinoff groups.

Some of the info is so incredible that it IS funny, and provides a good belly laugh. 

The longer we are OUT, the more amazed we all are, at how gullible we were!!

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:08/01/2008 9:31 PM)

Hi MS,

Totally understand where you are coming from.  We here in the forum are not identical to those sitting in the judgemental house, incapable of handling 'questions' and objectively answering them properly.  We are open to all differing views and opinions and encourage individual thinking.  We have enough of blind conformity don't we?

As true human beings we understand and do not compell everyone to think alike, understanding all individuals possesses their very own individual motivitaion.  Having read the situation you are facing now, it is clear why you have your views and that's your view and that's totally fine, nothing wrong with that.  With different perspectives it provides us an opportunity to see things from different angles and help further define and refine our approach as needed.  It provides us an opportunity to grow and see beyond our own reality and get a good grip of the big picture all through.

Bravo team!  Keep the vision alive!

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:09/01/2008 1:43 AM)

To Guest,

Thanks for that aknowledgement, Guest. I do agree it is great to have varied perspectives, especially as acute as these topics can be. And ofcourse we all ,do go through different stages( of overcomings) or experiences in our lives at different times.Which can put a different slant on things at the time.

p.s. Your post Guest, read like a.. Mot Mot.. reply. Then again Mot's replies have not always been as modest...Ha,Ha,Ha.  Sorry Mot I'm joking again.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:09/01/2008 2:19 AM)

I think one of the Simms boys (ex Niddrie) may be looking after something in the Philippines - Noel started a new group in Dagupan. One of a set of twins - I'm lousy with names. could it be Adam? Sab
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:09/01/2008 5:12 PM)

The other one was Nathan.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:09/01/2008 8:23 PM)

Yes, Adam and Belinda Simms are in the Philippines
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:10/01/2008 11:46 PM)

Aren't Nathan & Tess Simms in the Philippines too?...there were when I left
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:11/01/2008 4:20 PM)

How does it go " The last ones who should have power are the ones who want it the most"

When the head of the snake is dead we will see what happens to the body.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:12/01/2008 7:16 AM)

THE LAST ONES WHO SHOULD HAVE POWER ARE THE ONES WHO WANT IT THE MOST.

Well just how true is that. Thanks Guest.That was hitting the nail right on the head.

That explains the "CULT" G.R.C.'s leadership. AND THE HUGE PROBLEMS they have.    Holding sound wholesome and respectful relationships within a group, and to have a healthy caring enviroment where ever it may be, is a prosperous and a growing proactive positive place.

Weak leadership leads to negative guidance and thinking and eventual breakdowns.

So folks which... "HAT"... does the N.H.H.'s group wear????

That is why this G.R.C. forum is so ACTIVE. People crying out for help and support and for some nurtureing.

THERE IS NO "BACKBONE" TO WEAK LEADERSHIP

Just total confusion.

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:12/01/2008 4:22 PM)

pastor Cheyne Warren and wife nicki are in solomon islands

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(Date Posted:12/01/2008 5:05 PM)

pastor cheyne warren and nicki in solomon islands



Sorry, but when did he learn to read well enough to become an anything??

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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:26/01/2008 8:27 AM)

A fair majority of the pastors have less than a year 12 pass. That suprises no one who has had the unfortunate pleasure of associating with these MONG BEANS.. They'll tell you what they think is the truth.


I wish they would just see that they are not the answer nor do they.  The Lord knows.  If they really knew/know the Lord surely they are shit scared when they stop to pray or open their mouths to minister when they know how so wrong Noel and his EVIL doctrine of soul destroying and Mind contro. is..

 Just look at the views and posts Noel.. The truth is out there! Keep searching.....

I am yet again venting under the wrong topic but it ALL adds up and maybe we can be in the right place at the right time to 'save' some body from the CULT !!
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RE:GRC Associated Churches
(Date Posted:26/01/2008 5:14 PM)

Do you remember camps when they get the new suckers up on stage and have them sing
http://www.break.com/index/worst-singer-ever-omazing-grace.html Yes painful isn't it?
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