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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:21/06/2010 4:40 AM)

I just watched the re-run of Aus has talent and can't begin to express how I feel. Cam and Taylor have shown the nation what I have known for years. The beautiful and talented souls that are/were in the GRC.

Noel has dug a pit with his own mouth. Prezy - for about the first time we're on the same page. Noel thinks he's being persecuted for righteousness sake but sadly he's being called to account for unrightousness. Being a control freak doesn't help people rejoice in teir salvation.

How terribly sad that a young man that could so greatly influence his generation for good has been given the boot by Noel. Who can possibly WANT to join the GRC now? Only the most legalistic, narrow-minded, religious fanatics. I wonder how/if such pharisees can receive the Spirit.

I'm just weeping for what could have been...

Sabrina
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:21/06/2010 4:55 AM)

Hi Sabrina, sorry you dont normally agree with the points of view I express. I enjoy and value your contributions. I think where we may have  a difference of opinion is on tongues only salvation. Noel is surely proof that speaking in tongues is not neccessarily evidence of having the Holy Spirit. You will know them by their fruits.The Bible also is clear enough that not all speak in tongues. I have met genuine Christians with gifts that dont include tongues that their is no doubt are born again Christians. It was a hard concept for me to grasp until it was shown to me by a pastor in the Bible why the tongues only salvation is just not biblical. Incidently he does have the gift of tongues, but sees it how the Bible does, "the least of all the gifts."
Regards Rob.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:21/06/2010 5:17 AM)

 Wow

Sabrina, you think the GRC is a good place for a Christian to be with our without Noel's influence, at any time in its history. You m'lady, AND Brett, are very very dumb individuals.
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:21/06/2010 5:54 AM)

Guest,

You truly misunderstand me.

I am very, very happy Noel kicked us out and there is NO WAY Brett or I would ever want to go back to the GRC. I am very, very thankful we were kicked out of the GRC because I believe, wholeheartedly, that as 'church' it is doomed. As a 'church' it has cursed others for decades - now it is reaping what it has sown.

Nevertheless I am still aware of what might have been IF ... and there are many IFs...

Let me put it this way. If the Hendersons were in a church that appreciated them what a witness and testimony that would be. But Noel got in the way. He has quenched the Spirit. He squashes anything he can't control. He believes he is God's only true representative on earth and is suffering from a great delusion and sadly many people still are in total bondage to the regime of fear he has foisted upon them. Fear of Hell if they leave the GRC. I think there is a far greater danger of that if they stay because Noel teaches people to hate and speak evil of fellow Christians.

There, is that clear enough.

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:22/06/2010 2:30 PM)

Dear Guest,Paul the apostle said a little Leaven ,leaveneth the whole lump,my experiences before I left was that alot of the congregation had become judgemental and harsh,very clicky and not much love shown to one another.
Would that be Gods influence?

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:22/06/2010 10:01 PM)

Yuo lot are all mad leave the singers olon I know you are all jelous because yaaall cant sing
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(Date Posted:22/06/2010 10:11 PM)

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Yuo lot are all mad leave the singers olon I know you are all jelous because yaaall cant sing


I fink yuo are sooo wright
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:22/06/2010 10:16 PM)

prezy i agriiiiiee wif yuo. jelosi iz a curz..... smiley25 ha ha ha
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 2:58 AM)

I watched Cameron and Taylor on "Australia's got talent" and just knew they were a family with God based principles. There was a special "something" there that just won all our hearts.  I'm tuely sorry they've had to put up with such rubbish from someone that thinks he is God.  I hope this opens up an investigation if that is what is required.  Keep your eyes fixed on God and He will certainly take car of you.   God Bless
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:30/06/2010 3:59 AM)

Hendersons in hiding from GRC church

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:01/07/2010 2:19 AM)

That is unbelievable..... Goodness gracious me..... im so over the manipulation and control.  Well i was 9 years ago.  I feel incredibly sorry for these people having this burden of pressure from this church.
Just the fact that any male i talked to outside the churh was a drama... :"ooooo... cant do that"... crying out loud.  Cant listen to cd's with warning labels... just over controlled .
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:13/07/2010 1:13 AM)

Cameron Henderson singing at Bells Beach Church this Friday night
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:15/07/2010 1:54 AM)

 Well, it had to happen.

The controversy surrounding the Hendersons and the media attention has been explained away by Hollins to his followers as .... a complete media beat-up, a total distortion of the facts, a storm in a teacup.

Mushrooms comes to mind...kept in the dark and fed s...!

What a travesty.

Good one Noel. 

Your running around like a chook with its head cut off to the various Assemblies in full on damage control mode seems to have paid off for you.

Some of the 'saints' are gullible, BUT NOT ALL!!!!!!!
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:15/07/2010 3:26 AM)

When your church is on a national news show being called a 'cult' because someone took a whiff of a sample of the messed up lifestyle it considers normal and then gets the majority of Australians who watched the show to collectively say 'What the f***', it's surely got to make you have a look at the situation you're in, even for a moment, and ask yourself, 'What on earth AM I doing here?'

Wake up and find a real church, give your kids a life that doesn't fall under the rule of a stupid old man, and for god's sake learn some metacognitive skills. 
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:15/07/2010 5:16 AM)

The trouble is they are brainwashed into thinking that they are the ONLY ones who are right and the the rest of the WORLD is trying to pull them down.
You have to be special to be in the one true church.
I have heard it all before.
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:15/07/2010 5:17 AM)

The trouble is they are brainwashed into thinking that they are the ONLY ones who are right and the the rest of the WORLD is trying to pull them down.
You have to be special to be in the one true church.
I have heard it all before.
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:15/07/2010 6:41 AM)

Yes, it would be silly to think that something as simple as a tabloid TV report was going to cause the GRC to implode. The defence mechanisms built into the group are very complex and run deep. The GRC will bounce back to be sure.

But don't let that detract from the fact that the report has dealt them a blow and that it will trigger some to leave and many more to resist joining. The story was not a fatal blow to the group but it was a blow nonetheless.


Ex-GRC members have won the battle but the war isn't over. (That sentence sounded very dramatic didn't it? A war? How about we all go on a quest and destroy Bilbo's ring.
..smiley20  )


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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:15/07/2010 5:48 PM)

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                           "     Ex-GRC members have won the battle but the war isn't over  "


No , it is not over , there is more in the wind . I need some people to contact me as I have some info for you that can help you. Sorry to be vague but cannot say just yet.
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:16/07/2010 9:10 PM)


Alright now mot mot so what is the big secret???



I DEMAND TO KNOW!!!
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Alright now mot mot so what is the big secret???



I DEMAND TO KNOW!!!


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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 1:36 AM)

I heard that Taylor has gone back to grc.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 3:24 AM)

 That would be so tragic if he did, but we can all understand why.

So hard to leave all your friends and part of your family behind, especially when you are so young and have been programmed since birth. 
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 4:08 AM)

If he did go back then I'd give it a year or two before he leaves again.

Perhaps someone wants to let Today Tonight know. That would make a good follow up story I'm sure. It would also confirm the claims of ex-members.

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 4:22 AM)

Poor "beggar", I  can imagine what conditions would be placed upon him so that he could return. He would have to give up his "worldy frae" for starters.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 5:11 AM)

I dont think going back to TT would be helpful. I think Taylor would feel harrassed and blame us. Hopefully with his parents out and no doubt more of his friends will wake up and leave, that he will see for himself that GRC is not a place to worship God.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 7:00 AM)

 So many people within the GRC Pty Ltd know that it is a soul destroying sect/cult, but they CAN'T leave.

Tragically NHH has ensured that the web that entangles most of the 'saints' is so inextricably woven through marriage, particularly for those who have been members for generations, that for some (I am thinking of a few folk in particular), escape is not possible just yet. 

Many are biding their time. 

Life within the GRC Pty Ltd is merely existing, without actually 'being'.

So sad --- poor 'beggar(s)' indeed!




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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 4:00 PM)

 The biggest problem is the hypocrisy,some families dont cop the same abuse as do others the so called pastors have their favorites,the haves and the have nots,
Maybe Taylor hasn't ever copped any abuse because of his family connections, so he doesn't understand.
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 The biggest problem is the hypocrisy,some families dont cop the same abuse as do others the so called pastors have their favorites,the haves and the have nots,
Maybe Taylor hasn't ever copped any abuse because of his family connections, so he doesn't understand.


That could be true in this case. When I was a Sunday School teacher, I was instructed to not discipline any Henderson children. These were the only children I was thus instructed to not discipline.
I cant believe I ever thought God would be pleased with me being part of such an organisation. I am so grateful to be out of that place and now part of a Christian fellowship.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 7:05 PM)

 Double standards are rife in the GRC Pty Ltd, I saw it while I was in there, but I didn't realise that it was as blatant as that! (don't discipline any Henderson children)
Those who have not been abused by NHH and his clones must wonder what on earth we are on about.

It is almost like a barn yard with a definite pecking order.

Some of the 'chooks' have no feathers left around their necks at all, while others still have their plumage intact.

It must be so frustrating for the featherless 'chooks', who see their companions behaving in a similar fashion to themselves, being allowed to 'fly' under the radar and curry favour, rewards and even compliments from the 'main man.' 


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(Date Posted:31/07/2010 10:03 PM)

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 Double standards are rife in the GRC Pty Ltd, I saw it while I was in there, but I didn't realise that it was as blatant as that! (don't discipline any Henderson children)
Those who have not been abused by NHH and his clones must wonder what on earth we are on about.

It is almost like a barn yard with a definite pecking order.

Some of the 'chooks' have no feathers left around their necks at all, while others still have their plumage intact.

It must be so frustrating for the featherless 'chooks', who see their companions behaving in a similar fashion to themselves, being allowed to 'fly' under the radar and curry favour, rewards and even compliments from the 'main man.' 

Sadly humans love their pecking order, don't seem to be able to live with out it. Christians still aspire to it, even though christ was prepared to fly in the face of it. And even for him, it had its inevitable consequence. The rules are more important than people, or the truth they carry.

I guess that has long been the problem in christianity, people are so busy currying favour for the next life, they forget how to live with genuine integrity in this one.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:31/07/2010 10:25 PM)

Not all Christians are like that Galien, what I have seen in the last 4 or 5 years most are not like that. Some certainly, not most and definetly not all.
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(Date Posted:31/07/2010 11:23 PM)

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Not all Christians are like that Galien, what I have seen in the last 4 or 5 years most are not like that. Some certainly, not most and definetly not all.

Perhaps I should get better at saying what I mean :) I guess the truth is, it is the people who run religious organisations that I take issue with, not all the canonfodder who have no power. The revival centre has ruined me when it comes to trusting anyone in charge of any kind of religious organisation really. I wouldn't trust one single one of them as far as I could throw them. What was not ruined by revival was obliterated by others

Now that is not to say there are not indivduals who truly love god and others. Of course there are. I have just found that in the main, the kind of people who are in charge in ANY organisation are so because they are self serving animals for whom status and power are way more important than humility or people. In a business its hardly suprising.

In a church it is unconscionable, but people continue to accept it. I cannot accept it.

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:01/08/2010 7:45 AM)

 "The revival centre has ruined me when it comes to trusting anyone in charge of any kind of religious organisation really"

i simply find it easier to trust no one. everybody is in it for them selves. cynical? GRC up bringing hangover.

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:01/08/2010 11:06 AM)

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 Double standards are rife in the GRC Pty Ltd, I saw it while I was in there, but I didn't realise that it was as blatant as that! (don't discipline any Henderson children)
 

Glad.

Seems to be a lot of Hendersons in the GRC.......but not all stayed on.   I read somewhere that Cameron Henderson had for some reason left the group before he appeared on the talent show.  Did his wife still go along with Taylor and his sister?  There must be brothers and sisters of Cameron Henderson still in GRC.  Were there quite a large family group involved?

From what I can gather Cameron's father Barry was an eminent elder of the GRC and one time 2IC to Hollins.  Is he still involved?

Don't discipline any Henderson children is a bit blatant.  I was not GRC but in my Revivalist group I have witnessed a degree of preferential treatment given to certain families and special friends.  In Sunday school there was kind of an unspoken go lightly on pastor's kids approach and it included kids of long standing members who were close to the pastors.  People seemed afraid to comment to anyone on any bad behaviour from these kids.

Taking Sunday school wasn't exactly my forte but I did take my turn during my early years in RCI.  I was always assisted by a pastor's kid whose behaviour was abominable, quite a disruptive little smarty stirring up the younger ones.  Whenever I mentioned it to the Sunday school organisers they would circumvent the issue with nothing at all done about it until I went to the kid's mother to have her deal with her child's behaviour, which she did do and the child was taken off the helper team for quite a long time. 

You're right about the pecking order Glad.  It's as one young ex Revivalist so aptly puts it regarding the younger members, but could apply to all:  "The pastors kids wear the knapsack of privilege while those on the fringe carry a small bag." 

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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:01/08/2010 7:06 PM)

 Epios--briefly, the Hendersons are a reasonably large family. By marriage they are linked to many of the other GRC Pty Ltd families.

Barry was an elder and 2IC, he no longer attends the GRC Pty Ltd.  His wife (Taylors grandmother) still does. 

There is an upper echelon within the GRC Pty Ltd who seem to virtually remain aloof and unscathed while as you say the others 'carry the small bag'.

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In 2000 we were also given an ultimatum in the Philippines.



We were told from the rostrum that you had started to accrue guns in the hills somewhere in the Philippines, that there was other "untoward" stuff going on (not worth repeating what I heard.. but it was quite hard to believe and sensational).
So .. I'd like to know for sure just how far from the truth they like to stray in this "Ministry"
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If you recorded the last Australia's Got Talent...Barry is sitting in the row behind Taylor.
Just read Taylor's last quote in today's Geelong Advertiser 17.06.2010 "I'm still taking it in," he said. "I was walking through town and people were congratulating me and I was thinking it's sad it's all finished."

It's only FINISHED if he goes back to the GRC.




 Well...... it must be finished then. He HAS gone back.
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:08/08/2010 5:06 PM)

I can't believe that taylor has been allowed back into the GRC> Noel must be in damage repair mode. noel must have been under pressure to allow Taylor back in, maybe he was scared of the fallout amongst the young GRC people....was he scared that there was going to be a mass walkout? Did parents put pressure on Noel? we may never know. Basiclly Taylor has gone against Noel, had his moment of fame, served no penalty and has now walked back into the GRC. He's a hero, and Noels made to look like a fool.   
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
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(Date Posted:08/08/2010 7:36 PM)

 If you take into account the Henderson children were considered better than the other children attending 'Sunday School', because unlike the 'others', the Henderson children were not to be disciplined and there are quite a few Hendersons still attending the GRC (including the matriarch) the amount of money 'tithed' to Noel must be considerable! 
Noel may well be a fool as you say, but a cunning fool would be more to the point.
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 If you take into account the Henderson children were considered better than the other children attending 'Sunday School', because unlike the 'others', the Henderson children were not to be disciplined and there are quite a few Hendersons still attending the GRC (including the matriarch) the amount of money 'tithed' to Noel must be considerable! 
Noel may well be a fool as you say, but a cunning fool would be more to the point.

Imagine the black hole left when Barry exited the GRC. The velvet bag full of donations must have thought its throat was cut------ unless Jan has carried on the tradition.
No wonder the Henderson kids were considered special
MONEY TALKS.
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:09/08/2010 2:53 AM)

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Imagine the black hole left when Barry exited the GRC. The velvet bag full of donations must have thought its throat was cut------ unless Jan has carried on the tradition.

No wonder the Henderson kids were considered special.

MONEY TALKS.

 

Don't know about that. Couldn’t imagine him donating much to Noel’s super’ assets without monetary return from it.

I remember once asking Barry for a small loan so that I could consolidate some utility arrears so that I could get my budget in order and keep up to date. He wouldn't. One has to be that stingy to be a millionaire I suppose. I think he must have thought I should be asking the Lord to fix it.

Ralph


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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:09/08/2010 9:48 PM)

      The  " Financially Strapped "  Noddy Noel's " Velvet Bag "  has been banking a cool $10-15,000 / wk  for the past 20 ? odd years which equates to some $500-750,000 / year  !!!!!        Now where did it all go ??????  .......   and we know he didn't spend much 'financially speaking '   on those who went overseas    " For the Lord's Work ",  such as Richard Long, Nat de Palmer or Brett Warren (and they slept on the floor for 19 years in poverty conditions in our eyes ) to name a few,  who basically had to support themselves financially as much as possible and eventually came back in ruin and NEVER -EVER any mention of  any form of compensation NOR any Super Annuation.
       So where have all the dollars gone ?   We know there is the  " Hall " and surrounding Properties, the Coolamon Drive Camp Site to which he has been offered some $5 million for , but did you know there are other properties ?  Of course there is his own home, to which he is quite entitled to have, but there are others. Strangely enough they .... no longer seem to exist  "on paper "  ?????   since Noel converted all the GRC properties into  The GRC Pty.Ltd. to which he is the Director and Sole Share Holder.  A cool $10-12,000 plus the other "now missing " assets. These would have been changed into other names, being a business name or into children or grandchildren's names. 
        There is a list, but the faithful don't ask, don't know or else they will suffer the some fate of those who did. Still, for those still under Nasty Noddy Noel's Ministry Cult, who continue to tithe, think hard and carefully next time you donate your blood sweat and tears into that bottomless  "Velvet Bag ".       
                          Trust me,  he doesn't need your $ that much !!!!    He is not the "fool" you think.
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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:07/09/2010 2:18 AM)

Grand Final day coming up soon, can't wait to see Cameron sing the national anthem and Praise the Lord it isn't God save the Queen!

GO CATS!!!
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(Date Posted:07/09/2010 7:14 AM)

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Grand Final day coming up soon, can't wait to see Cameron sing the national anthem and Praise the Lord it isn't God save the Queen!

GO CATS!!!

My bias
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Re:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:07/09/2010 7:20 AM)

 I can feel a 'Prayer and Fast' coming on. 

Always called on Grand Final Day, this year not only for Noel to flex his muscles to prove how much power he still has, but also to prevent people from watching Cameron 'strut his stuff'.
  
I hope Cameron does a great job!!

As you say, GO CATS!! 



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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:07/10/2010 1:49 AM)

Camerons CD has arrived

http://www.camhenderson.com.au/

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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:07/10/2010 3:02 PM)

I just watched the video of Today Tonight exposing the GRC and Hollins. Disgusting!!!

Is anyone aware of similar shows on the RCI, CAI or RF?

If so could you post the link.

BTW: Are the various groups all the same with their abuse? On a scale between 1 & 10 (1 being good and 10 being bad) where does each group rank?

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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:07/10/2010 4:38 PM)

Good morning, Jingles.

I assume your assessment of "good" versus "bad" relates solely to the level of social dysfunction occurring within each group? If so, then obviously it becomes a thoroughly subjective exercise attempting to grade the various Revivalist sects along a bell curve, because each person would have a slightly different set of criteria, with different weightings per criteria. Consider for a moment, if you tried to tell someone suffering in the RCI, for example, that things are far worse in the GRC, they'd probably snort and reply, "according to who?!" Just as Revivalists have a penchant for comparing themselves favourably to everyone else, if experience of this site is any indication, ex-Revivalists tend towards doing precisely the same thing! Only ex-Revivalists try to outdo each other with respect to how awful their former groups are!

Personally, I think there's a far easier way of assessing the RCI, TRF, GRC and CAI. And that's to review what they teach against what Scripture presents. According to this criterion, on a scale of "one" being "good", "ten" being "bad"; they all achieve maximum marks: ten.

Blessings,

Ian

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RE:GEELONG HAS TALENT!
(Date Posted:07/10/2010 5:38 PM)

Is anyone aware of similar shows on the RCI, CAI or RF?

All videos, including radio interviews and Current Affair stories can be found in the following room. More are being processed, but when finished will be available for viewing here:

http://revival.aimoo.com/Revival-Churches-on-Youtube-1-84823

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