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(Date Posted:16/02/2007 1:23 AM)
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I've set up a rough page for the CAI on wikipedia.We need people to put more history in re: this group, and current events (I'm only working from a reference book)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Assemblies_Internationalalso, if the RCI and revival fellowship articles are anything to go by this article will be vandalised and they will try to delete it often - so keep checking / fixing / improving it!
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(Date Posted:26/02/2007 5:47 AM)

In your submission to Wikepedia, you mention a relationship to " Contempory Christian Church "  in Newcastle..... Who are they ??  I suspect or am curious if this is another  gathering or group of ex RCI/RF people....

 

another anon also

 

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Just one comment.

It says that their Bible knowledge is phenomenal. I disagree. The CAI picks out isolated Bible verses that can be twisted to mean what ASW wants them to mean. It would be more accurate to say that they are good at manipulating the Bible to make it say what they want it to but they lack any real knowledge or understanding of it. They avoid the bits that don't fit in with their doctrine.

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Just one comment.It says that their Bible knowledge is phenomenal. I disagree. The CAI picks out isolated Bible verses that can be twisted to mean what ASW wants them to mean. It would be more accurate to say that they are good at manipulating the Bible to make it say what they want it to but they lack any real knowledge or understanding of it. They avoid the bits that don't fit in with their doctrine.




Hey Rider, think the sentence after it made it clear what is meant "The sect is based on strong teachings and the bible knowledge of their members is phenomenal somehow. Unfortunately this applies as well on so called wrong teachings as many insider tell."
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Hey Rider, think the sentence after it made it clear what is meant "The sect is based on strong teachings and the bible knowledge of their members is phenomenal somehow. Unfortunately this applies as well on so called wrong teachings as many insider tell."

Ltd,

I have to disagree.. it is not enough to say that they have wrong teachings after saying that their Bible knowledge is phenomenal - a very strong word to use indeed. Their Bible knowledge is not phenomenal - they just think it is. Yes, they can quote words etc etc, as can many people from their favourite novel, but they know next to nothing about what the Bible really says. Their understanding comes from what they have been told to think, not what the Bible says. They have false knowledge, that does not deserve the title of "phenomenal". Everything they "know" is centred around which interpretation will meet the needs of the CAI. To understand the Bible is to understand God's words, and God is clearly second to Scott in the CAI when it comes to authority.

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I've set up a rough page for the CAI on wikipedia.We need people to put more history in re: this group, and current events (I'm only working from a reference book)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Assemblies_Internationalalso, if the RCI and revival fellowship articles are anything to go by this article will be vandalised and they will try to delete it often - so keep checking / fixing / improving it!




welldone seldon.

Keep up the good faith!

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this is the current status of the article ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Assemblies_International:

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A very extreme pentecostal group is lead by the self-appointed "Pastor" Scott Williams from bases in Coffs Harbour in New South Wales and Scotland. Approximately 12 assemblies with 400 followers (including children) in Europe adhere to the group - particularly from ffice:smarttags" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Germany and Scotland until mid of 2006. In 2006 and currently the number of the people dropped down to ca. 250 persons (including children) due to some "unaesthetic actions" of the so called overseer A. Scott Williams which have been revealed.

This group does not grow since 1986. As members left the group, others join.

History & Facts

The first name of this group was "Pfingsten Erweckungs Bewegung" a german wording for Pentecostal Revival Centres or Movement. The group started in Feldafing (Bavaria, Germany) in the "Fernmeldeschule" of the military (that means "military communication technology academy") where Williams started as attendant help in the swimming bath in 1980. He spreaded his Bible interpretation throughout the military base. Some people "got saved" into his fellowship. The people came from the various parts of Germany. This was the beginning of the so called "cell group system" (House groups) which has been introduced by the leader in he various places in Germany. In an early stage the group was renamed in Revival Centres International, due to an affiliation with an Australian Church of the same name. This affiliation was mutually cancelled in 1991, and from that point onwards it was named Christian Assemblies International and / or Christian Assemblies Europe.

In 1993 a young German Military Police officer called Michael Krause joined the group. He quickly became one of the central leadership and since Sept. 2006 he got officially in control of the church. Michael Krause has been adopted by A. Scott Willimas and his name is Michael Williams now. He acts as an essential 'puppet' leader as his adoptive father Scott Williams was forced to resign amongst allegations of homosexual and financial misconduct (Scott Williams have declared "by the way" that he has done some homosexual actions with assembly members). In January 2007 Scott Williams anounced himself back as leader of the group again without showing any compunction of what he has done as it has been reported.

Special Doctrines

The Christian Assemblies International and Christian Assemblies Europe teach the necessity of 'speaking in tongues' and "full under water baptism" as necessary for salvation (imperative), and deny salvation by faith alone.

The sect is based on strong teachings and the bible knowledge of their members seems to be phenomenal somehow. - Unfortunately this applies as well on so called wrong teachings as many insider tell. The CAI often picks out isolated Bible verses that can be twisted to the meaning of their teachings. Insider reported that they are good at manipulating the Bible to make it say what they want it to but they lack any "real knowledge" or understanding of it. They avoid the bits that don't fit in with their doctrine.

Members are more or less forced to build cosexual friendships within the assembly. They arrange "massage evenings" where men are more or less naked and "serving" eachother with massages. They compare this partise with the biblical "foot washing". But it has been predicated that these kind of practise should prepare some of the men with a homosexual intercourse with the "overseer" Scott Williams.




They hold to the British-Israel doctrine which is used to support white supremacy in some Christian Identity circles.


Bible numerics, pyramidology, and King James Only theology are also taught.


The assembly believes in the "The Father's Blessing" (introduced already in 1990). Such practices which has been made public through the spiritualist
Kathryn Kuhlman and the so called evangelist Benny Hinn and through the former "Vineyard Christian Fellowship" in Toronto the "Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship" where the phenomena got its modern name "Toronto blessing".


Also Scott Williams introduced the occult "vizualisation techniques" into his fellowship.

They also believe in the very often criticised teaching of the "inner man" (E. W. Kenyon) and partly in the "word of faith" doctrine founded of the metaphysician E. W. Kenyon and later by Kenneth Hagin and made more popular through the very argumentative books and teachings of the founder of the so called biggest induvidual christian church (mainly in South Korea) in the world David Yonggi Cho.

Family

"Let the dead bury their dead" (from Luke 9;60) is the central teaching towards unbelievers including family members. The result is very often the cold behaviour of the fellowship members towards their own families and finally the disunite of families. The assembly and the obedience towards the leadership of the sect is always more important then the constancy of the family lives.


The role of wife is to follow and to obey their husbands as long as the "family heads" follows the doctrine of the fellowship. This Includes also chastisements if needed in the eyes of the leaders. The same applies for children. They have to obey their parents and their chastisements are much sronger.

The Leadership controls their members through a mixture of psychologic pressure and bible verses and the members are provoked sometimes to tell even the most intimate things (e. g. about their sex life)!

External links

  • [1] - official website
  • Please Consider - an information site that assessed the theological beliefs of the Revival Centre groups.
  • message boards - discussion forums about the Revival Centre groups.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Assemblies_International"

 

 

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Re:Please help with the CAI Wikipedia article!
(Date Posted:17/02/2013 7:08 AM)

This time already an existing web entry at WIKIPEDIA can be found about the Revival Centres International, having a scheme showing the context between the parts of the RCI (including the later split which is now called CAI).

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How did these Revival churches come about ? Was Pastor Hollins church the first church or it was detached from another ?
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Do not know it. Interesting question.

BTW: Why did you attach the BBC video about the "Tank Heroes Of World War II" ?
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Do not know it. Interesting question.
BTW: Why did you attach the BBC video about the "Tank Heroes Of World War II" ?


Just saw this two days ago. Since it is newly minted in YouTube, I thought it will be helpful to keep you guys entertained for awhile. I have just finished it yesternight. The tanks ? Nothing special about them regarding the issues that we are dealing with in this forum.
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Perhaps you can get an answer for your question if you ask at the RCI part of the Forum:
Best regards.
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(Message edited by -Little- On 29/03/2013 2:37 AM)
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How did these Revival churches come about ? Was Pastor Hollins church the first church or it was detached from another ?


Dear Goodmen.

Perhaps you can find any information you are looking for at the following links?:

Best regards.
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How did these Revival churches come about ? Was Pastor Hollins church the first church or it was detached from another ?


Dear Goodmen.
Perhaps you can find any information you are looking for at the following links?:

Best regards.-Little-


Thanks for the reply. So, have you talked to God before ? It seems like not everyone had done it before. Maybe, more than half should have done it before ?



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Dear Goodmen.
It is always recommendable talking with God. Including listening to his answer.
Could the links help you?
Bleess you.
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Reply to -Little-

Dear Goodmen.
It is always recommendable talking with God. Including listening to his answer.

Could the links help you?

Bleess you.

-Little.


Yah. The first link is great / wonderful. Will Geelong assembly and its associated assemblies split ? When I see how they come about in the past, I can foresee that there will be more incidents to come (ie. splitting).
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