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(Date Posted:06/10/2010 6:11 PM)
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Hi, I know this may seem contradictory, but has anyone got any evidence of leaders in this group of churches engaging in satanic rituals? I knew someone who got sucked into a group when he was just a boy and they damaged him severely. But he started to engage in strange, ritualistic behaviour (burning things, nails in candles) that are clearly Satanically-inspired. I already know that sexual abuse is rife in this church, and it seems it's a worldwide thing. But does anyone have any knowledge of satanic rituals carried out by leaders?
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:06/10/2010 10:02 PM)

I never saw any- but who knows tbh, they were always extremely secretive and suspicious of anyone who asked any questions.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:10/10/2010 5:38 AM)

if you think of the block buster stories sodom willie and his bum friend Mickey mouse used to tell about the satanic ongoings (heat, noises, fear, moving furniture etc) in their bedroom (sic!) one could think that they must have been involved in satanism. sodom also often spoke about satanic movement where he stays and people got "attacked" ecvery so often at main meetings (I witnessed that often) - never heard of a church (outside cinema) which has these satanic interferes.

I believe, if there's aGod and if He watches His word, He will not allow a "church" like CAI to abuse it for their rotten service. CAI IS, according to God's Word, like the great whore etc a satanic movement indeed - it does not need any vodoo practise to underline that.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:11/10/2010 2:29 AM)

Williams used to constantly rumble on about "channel nr. 21" and other new age stuff, e.g. "I am operating on so many channels" etc. I do not find in the Bible somehow.

Then we should include the so-called "visionary praying" introduced from Buddhism by the koreans especially Yonggi Cho - and we get the perfect mixture of New Age and Christianity.

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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:11/10/2010 9:41 AM)

 I think it is safe to say that CAI members are followers of Scott and Scottism - not any one particular religion or mix of religions. The only principle adhered to by Scott is to do as he pleases and that everyone else should do as Scott pleases. That was the only thing you could ever be sure of at CAI. 
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 1:18 AM)

Thank you to both guests. Yes, you are right, the church is already 'Satanic' as it's so far away from God's real truth, love, and the true Jesus Christ that it is what I would consider evil.  Christianity and New Age practice is never a good thing. And it's easy to see how the practice of 'visionary praying' could be easily taken to other 'levels' by idiots trying to corrupt young and innocent minds. You know, once you have a corrupt leadership, then that corruption works its way down the whole chain and the people affected by the offshoots of these evil ideas masked as 'Christianity' keep twisting and perverting things more and more until they are the total opposite of what they purport to extol.

The philosopher Hegel had a good theory - his dialectic - that everything has an opposite and when something is established (i.e. true Christianity and the teachings of a pure Jesus Christ) then it's opposite will establish itself (i.e. a total corruption of the truth in order to entice others away). Light and darkness. Lies and Truth. Sadness and Happiness. Good and Evil. Jesus or the teachings of Pearl, Williams and the other crackpots? Hmmmm, I know who I believe was utterly divine and true and it isn't the crackpots.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 2:00 PM)

http://www.amazon.com/Laughing-Jesus-Religious-Gnostic-Wisdom/dp/140008279X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1286911510&sr=1-2

actually Cho and Scott may unwittingly be a lot closer to the orgins of christianity whch  is  likely to be  more gnostic or  new-age than people realise. 


VISION-GOAL - is not evil.... this is standard  business practice across the world, and  almost all  sport-professionals employ it.   Anyone who  wants to achieve something will consciously-unconscously  set a  goal-target-vision.    This isn t a  satanic practice.


I think there weren't any satanic  practices in the CAI -  only standard cult-abuse/homosexual bent in things.  
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(Date Posted:12/10/2010 5:00 PM)

Hi Guest

IMO the historicity of those documents called the "New Testament" is underestimated, not to mention those sub-apostolic writings of the "church fathers".

Might I suggest you get a hold of the following as a starting point to considering a counter view to the one you mention.

http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Legend-Wrestling-Jesus-Dilemma/dp/0801065054


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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:12/10/2010 6:24 PM)

Good morning, Guest.

actually Cho and Scott may unwittingly be a lot closer to the orgins of christianity whch  is  likely to be  more gnostic or  new-age than people realise. 

Nonsense.

Blessings,

Ian

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(Date Posted:13/10/2010 2:38 PM)

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http://www.amazon.com/Laughing-Jesus-Religious-Gnostic-Wisdom/dp/140008279X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1286911510&sr=1-2

actually Cho and Scott may unwittingly be a lot closer to the orgins of christianity whch  is  likely to be  more gnostic or  new-age than people realise. 


VISION-GOAL - is not evil.... this is standard  business practice across the world, and  almost all  sport-professionals employ it.   Anyone who  wants to achieve something will consciously-unconscously  set a  goal-target-vision.    This isn t a  satanic practice.


I think there weren't any satanic  practices in the CAI -  only standard cult-abuse/homosexual bent in things.  


The Laughing Jesus is aptly named, The book (and Author IMO) is a Joke! What isn't a joke is that people like you actually buy into this nonsence. I put to you that you haven't the first clue as to the true "Origins of Christianity"

Cho & Scott are blind leaders of the blind because there is NO LIGHT IN THEM!

Further there is no light in those who follow them.

As the saying goes Know them by their fruits.

mj
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:13/10/2010 5:57 PM)

To Guest and other person - please don't try and tell me things that I already know are not true. Your answers lack wisdom and are based on lies. I do not need to 'work out' or 'reconsider' anything - how patronising. And the origins of Christianity lie in God's love for humanity - not in the evil desires of men and women, which is what rules the spirits of those in RCI, CAI etc. Some of us cannot be shaken in our knowledge of the truth and your attempts to sow bad seeds are futile. Read your warped books and fill your mind with corrupt ideas if you will, it is your choice. That's one thing we all have - free will, but don't think you can fire your darts at everyone without some being quenched by godly wisdom, the wisdom which you so obviously lack.

I'm not on this site to argue for God's presence or existence. This I accept as natural in the world. I'm here to seek answers and ask questions about CAI, RCI because of very serious abuses these people have committed against me and others I love. Do not trivialise these issues because you have some kind of issue with believing in Jesus. Why not start a new topic to discuss you personal dilemmas instead of confusing the original question and discussion?
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:14/10/2010 9:38 PM)

Amen. Let's not derail another thread with religious bickering.

You want to discuss your religious views, go ahead and make a new thread. But can you please not constantly get other threads like for example the 'families destroyed' one off topic.

Much appreciated.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:14/10/2010 10:49 PM)

I think it needfull to discuss the issues of correct doctrine of scripture as this is the very core element of why these organisations are so "blain" in their effect on others.

Ralph H
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:14/10/2010 10:57 PM)

 Sorry Ralph, as this is such disturbing topic, could you explain what you mean by the word 'blain' in the context that you have just used it.

Cheers,

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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:14/10/2010 11:35 PM)

Hi Glad,

I likened it as 'an inflammatory swelling or sore', as is what the word "blain" represents (Merriam-Webster)

Ralph.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:14/10/2010 11:42 PM)

I.e. the Rev's false doctrine. Metaphorically speaking of course.

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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:15/10/2010 2:57 AM)

I originally asked this question and I agree that it is important to discuss the proper context of scripture etc as part of it, but this is not the place to discuss whether or not Jesus was God's Son. There is another forum for that. I am a believer and I just don't want the discussion to be twisted any further away from what I originally asked, hence the need to reassert the subject. I didn't ask 'Is Jesus God', for goodness sake! But, yes, let's talk about all the false doctrines. I like nothing better than to head butt someone over apologetics, but don't take it to the level of basic belief structures - start a new topic, or join the ones that deal with that issue in particular.

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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:15/10/2010 3:18 AM)

So let me rephrase the question, perhaps: 'Is is feasible to suggest that a young and impressionable member of RCI could have been sucked into a particularly nasty 'group within the group' wherein they learned to partake in rituals traditionally associated directly with Satanism and not Christianity'?

I understand this is a difficult topic, it's difficult for me too. But I need to ask. If I don't get a conclusive answer, that's fine. Just swimming around the lake trying to catch some fish. But if I don't catch any, I won't go hungry. Know what I mean?

In actual fact, from what I now know about what was going on in the RCI in the 1990s, sexual abuse, psychological abuse, financial abuse etc, it's not too far-fetched, I don't think, to believe that some of these particular men were involved in Satanism as part of their sordid lives. Now I'm thinking of just a minority of people in the cellgroup, whose practices may not have been known to anyone else, but dictated by a 'lower-level' leader or somebody who set himself up as one.

As I say, I actually have a friend who is witness that someone in their family began to engage in satanically-inspired rituals (but not for years after he had been in the cult and already indoctrinated with the more tangible things associated with these groups, such as speaking in strange tongues, believing the women you live with are evil personified, believing the group are your 'family' etc.)

And - the things I'm talking about are not things that could be 'mistaken' for Christianity, such as a warped prayer or just false doctrine, it's more basic than that - people actually gathering together to carry out Satanic rituals and prayers - we're talking goats, nails, candles, burning things etc.

Now again, I stress - I don't believe the entire cellgroup was involved - just a tiny minority of people who somehow got caught up in this. 

Any thoughts?
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(Date Posted:15/10/2010 4:48 PM)

Hi Guest

Could you clarify something pls? You refer to RCI but have posted this in a CAI room. Are you referring to stuff that happened in the Scott Williams led group, or the Lloyd Longfied led one?

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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:18/10/2010 3:15 PM)

I also posted it in the RCI room, after I realised this was CAI, but Andrew Scott Williams was the spiritual leader of the Scottish groups and often visited there. I think the distinction between CAI, RCI etc is deliberately designed to confuse people. They all represent the same cult - ok, some individual groups may be less cultic than others, but they all operate under the same evil leadership. Let's just say I'm glad ASW is in court on charges of sex abuse. It's been a long time coming.
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:18/10/2010 7:55 PM)

Guest,

There is no satanic activity in RCI, and we have no connection at all with ASW and his cult. You speak of something of which you seem to have no experience, meaning RCI. But I sympathise with anyone who has been in ASW's cult. I know some who left, and for good reasons. But because a pastor is seriously engaged in sinful practice, it does not mean that the salvation doctrine is wrong, it only means that he, and his immediate followers, are wrong. There are perverts in every type of organisation, sadly some have infected the Church, and can't be dealt with, because they claim to have supreme authority over others. The answer is to leave, and find sound, Bible-based fellowship elsewhere.

Just because RCI dare to believe in the entire Bible, and preach full salvation, people think we are either satanic, or associating with homosexuals? No way.

But we probably agree on one thing, ASW ought to be in jail, although he will receive a far worse punishment than man can provide in the end if he dies unperpentant.
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:19/10/2010 2:49 AM)

'No connection to ASW or his cult' This is laughable! OMG! Self-preservation is quite obviously at work here.

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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:19/10/2010 8:33 AM)

Guest,

What don't you understand? There is no connection between RCI and CAI. Note, that is present tense.

There was a brief and highly unsatisfactory association 20 years ago, that is all. CAI has no influence whatsoever in RCI now, not that he ever had any. My local oversight have not even heard of him.

You can not pin your delusions about satanic cults on RCI, nor for that matter fornication and the behaviour of complete perverts, much as you seem to wish that you could.

RCI have a morals policy which is enforced, no exceptions, and the church is far better for having it.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:19/10/2010 11:09 AM)

You use the term 'delusion' in an extremely derogatory fashion. I happen to know that in the early 1990s there were certain men in a particular RCI group in Scotland who were nothing more than rapists and paedophiles. You believe what you like Sardius. At the end of the day God knows everything and he will hold all to account in His time. I could tell you a lot more, about what happened to the son of a friend of mine, and his sister, but I'm not going to give you any more of my time, because I don't trust you or anybody else affiliated with RCI at all. You can defend this so-called 'Christian' group of people if you like, but I know better. Goodbye Sardius.

This is not what God's House is supposed to be! What corruption!
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:19/10/2010 11:35 AM)

just to clarify that: "CAI" has been re-named from "RCI" in the early 90s (formerly RCA).

So, that bastard Anthony Scott Williams is the very person you are referring to, as he has a history of molesting/raping boys since before the sixties, when he was a school teacher and - according to his own words - already involved in pederasm. (He certainly named it "biblical love", but well - knowing CAI, you'd know better)
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:19/10/2010 12:11 PM)

Thanks Guest. I know. Sardius has an agenda which I'm completely aware of...
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:19/10/2010 6:47 PM)

Good morning, Allan.

I'm continually bemused by the way your branch of the Longfieldian shrub seeks to distance itself from errant former associations. Especially when the publicity turns bad, which, of course, it invariably does. But pointing out this fact isn't the purpose of this brief rejoinder. So, to the matter at hand.

RCI have a morals policy which is enforced, no exceptions, and the church is far better for having it.

Point one: your vaunted 'morals' policy is immoral. Point two: your vaunted 'morals' policy is unbiblical. Point three: your vaunted 'morals' policy is legalistic. Point four: your vaunted 'morals' policy is inconsistently applied. Point five: your vaunted 'morals' policy is proof-positive that the RCI isn't Christian.

You've much to think about, methinks.

Ian



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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:23/10/2010 1:43 AM)

I think we just have to have a look at some of the fruit of RCI to know that you guys are just as bad as CAI minus a bit of nuaghty business at men's nights. Scott certainly spoke enough about your doctrines and twisted interpretations of the scriptures - thats the thing, if you weigh up sexual abuse on a scale with spiritual abuse, broken families, financial abuse etc it all comes out the same.

Keep sitting up there on your moral high ground- the warm inner glow of self-righteousness will keep you warm.


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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:29/10/2010 10:02 AM)

TO the original poster --- static ritualism.

The CAI is highly  ritualised.  Everything in a member's life must comform the  CAI pattern,  from choice of Bible, meeting/exercise of  power/administration; to how to cook/wash your toilet.

Especially on  CAI properties,  everything is done in a particular way.... God's (Scott's) way.
Ritualism is core to the cult.

Satanic ritualism -  this is not at first  apparent, and  possibly not there at all.  There definitely a inner circle of  trusted elders (so could be practiced at upper levels in the organisation without knowledge of normal members). 

I know for certain the  homosexual thing was more covert... I remember being approached by Scott who asked seemingly innocuous question once or twice, then on other occasions on men's nights he made  seemingly trivial fun of some younger men/lads as they stepped out of the  suana at EHQ.  (all in good jest, and his hysterical/camp giggle).  

In hindsight he was gauging the attractiveness of 'candidates'; possibly for sexual  activity at a later date.  Certainly the men's massaging was deliberate attempt to break down barriers and make men more vulernable / open to his abuse.

My point being,  I never saw  any 'satanic'  queues to engage in satanic practices in my time, but may be in the  'inner circle'.  I don't think Scott is/was interested in satanism,   but  some of his practices/testimonies are very new-age :  channels/astral-vogaging/reading people's thought/premonitions/vision teaching/translation/control of weather/thunderbolts/levitation. 

Just the cultic behaviour in itself is  horrendous.
Your friend,  could easily fall into satanic  practices, as he's likely to be have been  badly hurt, and is raging against God/CAI etc... his satanic practices are more likely to be  a reaction to his experiences, rather than learned in the CAI.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:29/10/2010 5:43 PM)

Thank you guest and Saiyth. All this makes a lot of sense.

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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:29/10/2010 7:59 PM)

CAI is as the former rasistic apartheid-politic in South-Africa. It´s only white people, most men, as counts. Actually, I think CAI is more about this politic than about religion. They call themselves Christian people, but many do so.

In CAI´s world it´s only about white supremecy. And CAI is ultra-conservative, likely to the ultra-British fractions in the civil-war in Northern Ireland, and then maybe homofobia, bad treatment of women and children and maybe some filthy sex, and there you have CAI.

CAI is so old-fashioned nowadays, in the modern world. CAI is more about 1970´s still rasistic white politic.
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RE:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:29/10/2010 9:13 PM)

But the CAI-people will go to hell if they remain in CAI. So, in a sort of way, CAI is satanic. In a Christian disguise, but it´s what you do as counts, and not what you say.

The CAI-people only talks bad about other people. Have you ever heard them say something positive and with a loving attitude? No, they are worse than wordly people and only talk rubbish about other people.

So, actually the CAI-people has a satanic behaviour.

Not, to speak about the leaders in CAI who only hits downwards and licks upwards. As wordly and satanic people do.

So, actually you can say that CAI is a satanic and a rasistic church.
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:09/11/2010 1:35 PM)

Hi  original Guest, 

if you're not acquainted with Christian/particularly CAI 'talk'  - satanic behaviour, is often identified.  This is purely  activities/behaviour/thoughts that don't comply with the 'gospel' or are blatantly contradictory to the 'true teaching'.  they are often nothing to do with 'satanic worship'.

This  should n't be confused with Satanic Practices that  someone may have learned to 'worship/pray/ritual/identify alliegence to the devil/satan.  i.e.   in cultic circles (like the  CAI, if you  drove a  French not a  German car, it was almost satanic.... but your friend's nail-burning,   is  likely to be magic/satanic/pagan in source.

There's a big debate how 'godly the CAI is, or rather  anti-god (and therefore satanic the whole affair is).

best of luck !
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Re:Evidence of Satanic worship?
(Date Posted:29/03/2011 4:36 PM)

The leaders in CAI are not Christians, but rather the opposite. They just want to "crash" the little-man, as satanic people wants to do too, so what is the difference with CAI and satanism, or more exactly a Fascist and very "worldly" regime of the superior to wound the inferior person. Then you can call yourself a Christian, or what so ever, but it´s your actions, and nothing else, that will show your true intentions, and not your lies and "nice" talk.

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