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Peter Brook
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 12:59)
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Hello to all you 3 row experts.Can anyone point me to button and base layouts for 3 row B/C/C# particularly hohner trichord? I've seen the one on melodeon.net for JK's box but looking for others.many thanks,Peter
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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 13:25)

Hi Peter

The Trichord just has 12 buttons with bass and major chords in fifths from F to E just tlike the corresponding 12 buttons near the center of a Stradella bass system. EG:

outside inside
E bass E chord
A bass A chord
D bass D chord
G bass G chord
C bass C chord
F bass F chord

Occasionally you may come across one that has been altered to a melodeon layout with different push and pull.

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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 14:09)

And the Hohner Trichord treble is like that shown on http://www.melodeon.net/layouts/BCCkirkpatrick.gif, without the three lowest buttons (left hand button of each row as shown in the diagram). The black buttons on the Trichord treble (see the one currently on eBay) are the B C C# keys.

A Paolo Soprani BCC# 80 bass has 37 treble buttons vs. the 34 on the Kirkpatrick layout. The extra 3 are higher notes, one button extra in each row. The 80 bass is 16 x 5, like a 96 bass P.A. without the diminished chords. See http://www.accordionpage.com/basar.html for a full stradella bass layout.

Bill Y

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Peter Brook
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 15:30)

Many thanks for the info Theo and Bill.

Seems odd that there is no B as this would complete the scale on the bass side?  D/G melodon has a lovely bass B and B chord (well lovely if you are playing in a suitable key!)

Sorry for all the questions.

I assume the black B/C/C# notes are an octave above "middle C" on the piano?

thanks again,

Peter

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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 17:40)

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I assume the black B/C/C# notes are an octave above "middle C" on the piano?

Yes. They are in the middle of the treble stave. C is the C as in FACE, the spaces on the treble stave.

Bill Y

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Theo Gibb
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(Date Posted:18/04/2007 18:57)

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Many thanks for the info Theo and Bill.Seems odd that there is no B as this would complete the scale on the bass side? D/G melodon has a lovely bass B and B chord (well lovely if you are playing in a suitable key!)Sorry for all the questions.I assume the black B/C/C# notes are an octave above "middle C" on the piano?thanks again,Peter



It would not be a huge job to shift the bass patternb along one place, you would loose the F and gain a B.
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(Date Posted:22/04/2007 19:57)

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Many thanks for the info Theo and Bill.Seems odd that there is no B as this would complete the scale on the bass side? D/G melodon has a lovely bass B and B chord (well lovely if you are playing in a suitable key!)Sorry for all the questions.I assume the black B/C/C# notes are an octave above "middle C" on the piano?thanks again,Peter

an additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses is diminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies on different models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino. From the learning point of view, the location of treble notes is the problem. Once this is mastered (ho-ho-ho!)you have a very versatile accordion.

ps don't expect to play too many augmented chords with the right hand - the possibilities are sometimes limited.

 

David Webb 

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Peter Brook
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(Date Posted:22/04/2007 21:25)

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Reply to : Peter BrookMany thanks for the info Theo and Bill.Seems odd that there is no B as this would complete the scale on the bass side? D/G melodon has a lovely bass B and B chord (well lovely if you are playing in a suitable key!)Sorry for all the questions.I assume the black B/C/C# notes are an octave above "middle C" on the piano?thanks again,Peteran additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses isdiminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies ondifferent models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feel

 

Thanks David.  I got blown off the auction. the price was too hot for me so I am still looking for my b/c/c#.  I did think though between initial bid and the end of the auction that what I actualy would like is a b/c/c# with 48 bases (stradella) so in someways I am not too disapointed at losing.

It would be nice if a certain tutor currently writting something for b/c/c# (I believe) might include a short section on the features of various models (treble reeds, tuning, stops/couplers, weight, key layout etc.)  For a relative novice like me Hohner Trichord II or III and Hohner Gaelic I to IV or anything by Paolo Soprani are very confusing indeed!?!

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(Date Posted:22/04/2007 22:41)

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an additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses is diminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies on different models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino.

David,  that sounds a very interesting box you have. All the Paolo Soprani Elite 3s I've come across, including my own, are 37 treble and 80 bass (16x5, no diminisheds), 4 voice treble, 5 voice bass, 9 treble and 2 bass couplers. I didn't know they made bigger ones. Do you know when yours dates from? Any chance you could post a photo somewhere, with a link here, or email me a photo?

Bill Y

 

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(Date Posted:23/04/2007 00:29)

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Reply to : 3rowplayeran additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses isdiminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies ondifferent models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino.David, that sounds a very interesting box you have. All the Paolo Soprani Elite 3s I've come across, including my own, are 37 treble and 80 bass (16x5, no diminisheds), 4 voice treble, 5 voice bass, 9 treble and 2 bass couplers. I didn't know they made bigger ones. Do you know

They did a 96 bass (with diminished 7ths) alongside the 80 bass version, although I thought it was the same treble i.e 37 buttons.  There was a photo of Jimmy Shand 'playing' one in his home in Klinky's catalogue at one time if anybody has a copy

 

george

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(Date Posted:07/05/2007 00:58)

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Reply to : 3rowplayeran additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses isdiminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies ondifferent models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino.David, that sounds a very interesting box you have. All the Paolo Soprani Elite 3s I've come across, including my own, are 37 treble and 80 bass (16x5, no diminisheds), 4 voice treble, 5 voice bass, 9 treble and 2 bass couplers. I didn't know they made bigger ones. Do you know

I would be keen to know the model no. myself, I'll try and send a picture for folks to look at and perhaps identify. If not on this site, attached to an email for you

dave

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(Date Posted:07/05/2007 01:07)

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Reply to : wgwyReply to : 3rowplayeran additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses isdiminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies ondifferent models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino.David, that sounds a very interesting box you have. All the Paolo Soprani Elite 3s I've come across, including my own, are 37 treble and 80 bass (16x5, no diminisheds), 4 voice treble, 5 voice bass, 9 treble and 2 bass couplers. I didn't know they made bigger ones. Do you knowI w
I for one would be very interested in a photo of treble keyboard as 50  buttons is both very large & an odd number for a 3 row, 49 being perhaps more logical. the original , and many would argue the best,shand morino was 40 treble & 105 bass and the later ones 46 treble & 117 bass, these being to my knowledge the  largest british chromatics made.  All the Paolo Spranis I've seen have been 37 treble buttons irrespective of whether thy are 80 or 96 bass. 
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(Date Posted:07/05/2007 01:13)

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Reply to : wgwyReply to : 3rowplayeran additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses isdiminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies ondifferent models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino.David, that sounds a very interesting box you have. All the Paolo Soprani Elite 3s I've come across, including my own, are 37 treble and 80 bass (16x5, no diminisheds), 4 voice treble, 5 voice bass, 9 treble and 2 bass couplers. I didn't know they made bigger ones. Do you knowI w

It's me again - It seems not possible to post photos or send attachments via individual emails. For those interested, I offer a bit more info: 40 treble buttons. 5 treble registers covering three wet tuned musette reeds on the pitch plus a bass reed. The combinations offered are 1. single (treble) reed 2. three musette reeds 3. three musette reeds plus bass 4. single treble reed plus bass 5. bass reed . There are three registers on the bass 1. a fairground organ type ump-pah 2. full bass (dont know how many reeds 3. something else (possibly with a third taken out?) I can't decide whether the 2 and 3 combinations are the same thing - could well be.

If George or anyone has more info I should be pleased to hear. The instrument belonged to someone in Jersey when I bought it in 2001(?)

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(Date Posted:07/05/2007 01:51)

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Reply to : 3rowplayerReply to : wgwyReply to : 3rowplayeran additional comment about Paolo Soprani b/c/c# - the model I have is I think an elite 3 - the treble keys are 50 in number and there are 96 basses in six rows. The additional treble keys go lower than usual. The sixth row of basses isdiminished 7th chords. The number of registration (stops) keys varies ondifferent models, but I think all have four treble voices and are usually 'wet' tuned. I get the feeling that my machine is quieter than the Hohner Marino.David, that sounds a very interesting box you have. All the Paolo Soprani Elite 3s I've come across, including my own, are 37 treble and 80 bass (16x5, no diminisheds), 4 voice treble, 5 voice bass, 9 treble and 2 bass couplers. I didn't know they made bigger ones. Do you knowI w

Its me again! Mr Verbosity himself. In the course of this correspondence, a light flashed. Can I ask those three row players  involved in the chat 'What do you play on your British chromatic Instrument?'

My own efforts are mainly with folk dance tunes for the Folkestone International Dance Group - for international dance read european plus greek, israeli, balkans etc and some english including Playford dance tunes. Recent additions are tunes from the north west pacific - The Portland collection. Fast fiddle tunes need abbreviated music if I am playing. What about you?

Dave W

 

 

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(Date Posted:08/05/2007 00:00)

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 the bcc# has some limitations if  you want to play eg some classical stuff exactly as written  eg a tune with  very long a & d notes together (only available on pull) could lead to the need for an extension on the left arm! but this would be a   rare situation., it is also of course impossible to play A & G together (If one should ever want to!)  as these  are in opposite directions of bellows with no alternatives.

Also whilst there are an abundance of right hand chords available  some cannot be played eg any containing G&D  would be impossible as again in opposite directions with no alternatives. 

This means in practice that   the BCC# is not for classical stuff or grades & exams - but then it was never intended to be.  Those who wish to follow precisely what somebody else has set out on paper as  being the 'correct' way to play a tune  are better off with a piano accordion or continental chromatic.  Those willing to use a wee bit of creativity  can  'adjust' most music to  fit in with what is possible and in so doing often improve on the so called 'correct' version.

For those who believe that what sounds right is right the 3 row is fine and right hand chords fall more readily to hand than on a piano keyboard. It also has the advantage of being  more or less self transposing between the 'flat' and the 'sharp' keys ,  It is very much a member of the 'melodeon ' family & as such is a superb buskers box.

george

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(Date Posted:08/05/2007 02:30)

And for a cracking example of how to work round the B/C/C#'s disadvantages...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNv-h_-dww

Ed J
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(Date Posted:08/05/2007 12:21)

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And for a cracking example of how to work round the B/C/C#'s disadvantages...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNv-h_-dwwEd J

Isn't that just fabulous? Norman MacKay is without doubt one of the best young exponents of the 3-row button box in Scotland today. In a different setting, more at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHf1MRwKt2A

Bill Y

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(Date Posted:08/05/2007 12:30)

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And for a cracking example of how to work round the B/C/C#'s disadvantages...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNv-h_-dwwEd J

absolutely brilliant !  he doesnt seem to have any disadvantages!!!!!!!!!!

george

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(Date Posted:08/05/2007 14:39)

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And for a cracking example of how to work round the B/C/C#'s disadvantages...





Leaving Paris - sounds as if he couldn't wait to get out of the place
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(Date Posted:08/05/2007 18:09)

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And for a cracking example of how to work round the B/C/C#'s disadvantages...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNv-h_-dwwEd J

Oh yes - what a player (Norman McKay)! Thanks for the reference

Dave W

 

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(Date Posted:09/05/2007 19:41)

If anyone on this side of the pond is inspired to take up the BCC#, just found the site of Castiglione accordions in Michigan, who seem to have a quite enormous stock of used boxes of every kind, including several in BCC# (possibly four, unless some are duplicates), not to mention a couple of Paolos in DD# and C#D.

Steve
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