Posted on 01/31/2013 12:20 PM
Meh. They don't care, why should I?
Posted on 08/11/2012 5:11 AM
AMT is NOT taking any more applications for membership. The ones we have now are total mutes who never discuss anything, so why bother? I don't understand people who join a public group that is 100% accessible sans membership, & then never say a word. You can read & not be a member.
In fact, I'm off to purge mutes as we speak. Ruthlessly. C ya.
Posted on 05/23/2012 2:46 AM
I think that title says it all. Groups are vanishing & reappearing L & R. Stuff isn't working. Server seems to be going kerflooey. Very irritating as I was planning to update our old MSN custom pages & put them into Information Station. Fingers crossed for posting goodness right here alone.
Posted on 02/05/2010 1:12 AM
I'm sorry we haven't been minding the place properly lately. The newbies won't know what I'm talking about & are free to disregard post, but those of you who came over from MSN will. AMT was originally founded by Stonehenge, who then became Lady of the Glade because she didn't back out of that MSN smiley face nick name change thing fast enough. LOL you know what I'm talking about (remember when Painter was Oainter for a while?). She just nabbed me because she was hopelessly tech-impaired & kicked me upstairs to mgmt. She became seriously ill right before we moved here & never did manage to make it over with how much time she was in & out of the hospital. We were really good friends & worried about her & back in October she took such a turn for the worse that they thought she was done for. She rallied some, but her daughter called me Jan 30th to let me know she never woke up that morning, 9 days after her BD. Still kind of in shock over it. Didn't mean to let group ground to a halt. What must the newbies think! But she loved AMT & she'd want us to continue nattering on about history.
Posted on 01/12/2010 1:03 PM
3 - 1437 - death of Catherine of Valois at Bermondsey Abbey
5 - 1209 - birth of Richard, Earl of Cornwall, son of John & Isabella d'Angouleme; also Holy Roman Emperor-elect
6 - 1367 - birth of Richard II, King of England
7 - 1355 - birth of Thomas of Woodstock
9 - 1431 - trial of Joan of Arc begins at Rouen
10 - 1308 - Order of the Knights Templar supressed in England
13 - 1257 - Richard, Earl of Cornwall, brother of Henry III, elected Holy Roman Emperor
1396 - marriage of John of Gaunt & Catherine Swynford at Lincoln
14 -1236 - marriage of Henry III, King of England & Eleanor of Provence
15 -1478 - marriage of (Prince in the Tower) Richard, Duke of York & Anne Mowbray, the Norfolk heiress
16 - 1245 - birth of Edmund of Lancaster, son of Henry III & Eleanor of Provence
17 - 1377 - papacy returned to Rome from Avignon
20 -1265 - Simon de Montfort calls into session the first Parliament
22 - 1383 - marriage of Richard II & Anne of Bohemia
24 - 1328 - marriage of Edward III & Philippa of Hainault at York Minster
25 - 1308 - marriage of Edward II & Isabella of France
26 - 1340 - start of Hundred Years' War
27 - 1365 - birth of Edward of Angouleme, son of Edward the Black Prince & Joan he Fair Maid of Kent
28 - 1457 - birth of Henry VII, King of England
30 - 1164 - Constitutions of Clarendon; rules for relationship between church & state
Posted on 01/12/2010 12:57 PM
Commence on a likely topic if you will & there's plenty this month:
1 - 1511 - birth of Prince Henry AKA The New Year's Boy, son of Henry VIII & Catherine of Aragon
1515 - death of Louis XII, King of France; husband of Mary Tudor
1537 - James V, King of Scots, marries Madeleine of Valois
1540 - Henry VIII takes one look at Anne of Cleves & says "I like her not!"
2 - 1492 - forces of Ferdinand & Isabella capture Granada, last Moorish stronghold in Spain
1535 - Spanish ambassador Chapuys arrives at Kimbolton to see Catherine of Aragon for the last time
1535 - Maria de Salinas bullies her way into Kimbolton to see Catherine of Aragon as well
3 - 1521 - Martin Luther excommunicated
5 - 1589 - death of Catherine de Medici, Queen of France; wife of Henri II; Regent of France; MIL of MQOS
6 - 1511 - Henry, Prince of Wales christened at Richmond
1535 - Catherine of Aragon makes her will
1540 - marriage of Henry VIII & Anne of Cleves
7 - 1519 - miniaturist Nicholas Hilliard born
1536 - death of Catherine of Aragon at Kimbolton
1558 - Mary I loses Calais
8 - 1536 - autopsy carried out on Catherine of Aragon's body found her heart to be black
9 - 1539 - execution of Henry Courtenay, Marquess of Exeter, on Tower Hill (beheaded)
11 - 1569 - Conference of Westminster concludes Mary Queen of Scots did not prove her case that her lords rebelled against her unjustly
1570 - assassination of James Stuart, Earl of Moray & Regent for James VI, in Edinburgh
12 - 1519 - death of Emperor Maximilian I
13 - 1506 - ship carrying Joanna of Castile & Philip of Burgundy blown off course to England
15 - 1547 - Ivan the Terrible crowned first Tsar of Russia
1559 - coronation of Elizabeth I
16 - 1556 - Charles V abdicates in favor of his son, Philip II (Spain & the Netherlands) & his brother, Ferdinand I (Holy Roman Emperor)
1599 - death of Edmund Spenser, author of The Faerie Queen
18 - 1486 - marriage of Henry VII & Elizabeth of York
19 - 1544 - Francis II, King of France born; 1st husband of MQOS
21- 1535 - Thomas Cromwell appointed Vicar-General & orders the Visitation on the English monasteries
1549 - Elizabeth Is favored servant Catherine Ashley taken to Tower of London for questioning regarding Thomas Seymour
23 - 1516 - death of Ferdinand of Aragon, Catherine's father
1571 - Elizabeth I opens Royal Exchange in London
25 - 1502 - proxy marriage of Margaret Tudor & James IV, King of Scotland, at Richmond
27 - 1533 - possible marriage date for Henry VIII & Anne Boleyn
28 - 1547 - death of Henry VIII, King of England
1554 - Battle of Wrotham Hill; end of Wyatt's Rebellion
1595 - death of Sir Francis Drake
29 - 1536 - Anne Boleyn "miscarries of her saviour" at Greenwich
31 - 1506 - Henry VIII escorts Philip of Burgundy to Windsor
1510 - Catherine of Aragon gives birth to stillborn daughter
Posted on 01/12/2010 12:49 PM
Maybe Margaret of Anjou stuck them in a bag. MQOS carried a head around, didn't she?
Posted on 12/19/2009 6:33 AM
1 - 1170 - Thomas a Becket reconciles with Henry II & returns to Canterbury after a 6-year exile
6 - 1421 - birth of Henry VI, King of England
13 - 1470 - marriage of Edward, Prince of Wales & Anne Neville, at Amboise
16 - 1431 - Henry VI crowned King of France at Notre Dame, Paris
19 - 1154 - coronation of Henry II, King of England, & his queen, Eleanor of Aquitaine, at Westminster
1387 - Battle of Radcot Bridge; Lords Apellant trounce forces of Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford
22 - 1428 - birth of Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick
24 - 1167 - birth of John, King of England
27 - 1426 - death of Thomas Beaufort, son of John of Gaunt & Catherine Swynford, at Greenwich
29 - 1170 - murder of Thomas a Becket at Canterbury Cathedral
30 - 1460 - Battle of Wakefield; Lancastrains trounce Yorkists
1460 - death of Richard, Duke of York & his son Edmund, Earl of Rutland (in battle)
1460 - death of Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury (beheaded)
Posted on 12/19/2009 6:29 AM
I know it's half over....stupid busted arm GRRRRR But here ya go anyway....pick something once you're done with all that pesky Christmas shopping.
1 -1530 - death of Margaret of Austria, Regent of the Netherlands
1580 - execution of English Jesuit Edmund Campion (hanged)
3 - 1586 - Sir Thomas Herriot introduces potatoes to England
4 - 1586 - Parliament publishes proclamation from Elizabeth I that Mary Queen of Scots was found guilty & sentenced to death
1586 - MQOS writes to Elizabeth, but her jailer Sir Amyas Paulet refuses to send the letter
5 - 1560 - death of Francis II, King of France, Mary Queen of Scots' 1st husband
7 - 1545 - birth of Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, husband of MQOS
8 - 1542 - birth of Mary Queen of Scots at Linlithgow
1585 - Robert Dudley leads English forces to the Netherlands
14 - 1542 - death of James V, King of Scotland, after turning his face to the wall upon hearing MQOS was a girl
16 - 1487 - birth of Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England
17 - 1508 - betrothal of Mary Tudor to Charles of Castile
1538 - Pope Paul III excommunicates Henry VIII
1566 - christening of James VI of Scotland at Stirling
1601 - Elizabethan Poor Laws passed through Parliament
21 - 1495 - death of Jasper Tudor, Duke of Bedford
1501 - Catherine of Aragon & Arthur Tudor set out for Ludlow
1573 - Francis Walsingham appointed Elizabeth Is secretary of state
22 - 1536 - Reginald Pole appointed cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church
23 - 1497 - Sheen Palace burns down
30 - 1535 - Spanish ambassador Chapuys given permission to visit the dying Catherine of Aragon at Kimbolton
Posted on 12/19/2009 6:23 AM
TOO MUCH DRINKABLE GOLD FOR THE KING'S MISTRESS?
LONDON, AP — A British medical journal has published findings saying a mistress of 16th-century French King Henry II may have died from consuming too much drinkable gold.
When French experts dug up the remains of Diane de Poitiers last year, they found high levels of gold in her hair. Since she was not a queen and did not wear a crown, scientists said it was hard to see how jewelry could have contaminated her hair and body.
Experts now say that the popularity of drinkable gold — believed to preserve youth — in the French court makes it very likely de Poitier's beauty elixir ultimately killed her. The findings were published Thursday in British medical journal BMJ.
Despite being two decades older than King Henry, de Poitiers was one of his favorites.
Who knew? I didn't!
Posted on 12/19/2009 6:18 AM
OK this is getting ridiculous. Barely out of PT for the rotator cuff & I wake up with excruciating pain in the OTHER arm. How does one get tennis elbow when one has not played tennis in years? Mousing is THE WORST & typing not so great, either.
I am falling apart at the seams!
Posted on 11/19/2009 2:08 PM
I'm taking Greens' suggestion & am working on it in here....shhhh ROFL
CAUSES OF DEATH KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND
William the Conqueror - injured by his own saddle pommel poking his fat stomach when he fell off his horse at the siege of Mantes; then exploded ROFL
Matilda of Flanders - natural causes?
William II "Rufus" - killed by arrow while hunting in the New Forest
Henry I - surfeit of lampreys; so food poisoning?
Matilda (Edith) of Scotland - natural causes?
Adelicia of Louvain - natural causes?
Stephen - natural causes?
Matilda of Boulogne - fever; could be anything
Matilda - natural causes?
Geoffrey of Anjou - fever; could be anything
Henry II - unnatural causes ROFL considering the eaglets' revolt
Eleanor of Aquitaine - really ancient
Richard I "Lionheart" - injury suffered during siege of Chalus
Berengaria of Navarre - natural causes?
John - dysentery
Isabella d'Angouleme - natural causes?
Henry III - natural causes?
Eleanor of Provence - natural causes?
Edward I - natural causes?
Eleanor of Castile - quartan fever
Marguerite of France - natural causes?
Edward II - murdered
Isabella of France - natural causes?
Edward III - stroke
Philippa of Hainault - dropsy
Richard II - murdered
Anne of Bohemia - plague
Isabella of Valois - childbirth
Henry IV - reputed to have leprosy & in ill health several years before demise
Mary de Bohun - childbirth
Joanna of Navarre - natural causes?
Henry V - dysentery
Catherine of Valois - childbirth
Owen Tudor - executed
Henry VI - murdered
Margaret of Anjou - natural causes?
Edward IV - pneumonia?
Elizabeth Woodville - natural causes?
Edward V - PITT, who knows?
Richard III - battle
Anne Neville - consumption
Henry VII - consumption
Elizabeth of York - childbirth
Henry VIII - possibly complications of diabetes?
Catherine of Aragon - cancer
Anne Boleyn - executed
Jane Seymour - childbirth
Anne of Cleves - natural causes?
Catherine Howard -executed
Catherine Parr - childbirth
Edward VI - consumption or possibly arsenic poisoning?
Jane Grey - executed
Guildford Dudley - executed
Mary I - dropsy; probably ovarian cancer?
Philip II, King of Spain - gout, dropsy, fever
Elizabeth I - not known; possible lead poisoning?
Mary Queen of Scots - executed
James I - stroke followed by a "tertian ague"
Anne of Denmark - dropsy
Charles I - executed
Henrietta Maria of France - natural causes?
Charles II - kidney disease?
Catherine of Braganza - natural causes?
James II - stroke
Anne Hyde - cancer
Mary of Modena - cancer
William III - fell off his horse, broke his collarbone, got pneumonia
Mary II - smallpox
Anne - gout leading to a streptoccal bacterial infection
George of Denmark - natural causes?
Posted on 11/19/2009 1:45 PM
I added in those sundry Plantagenets, & also Owen Tudor, plus the 3 children of Henry VII & Elizabeth of York who died young, Elizabeth, Edmund, & Catherine. Edmund & Catherine do not have their own listing, but are crammed into the same tomb with Elizabeth at Westminster:
Princess Elizabeth died on Saturday 14 September, 1495 after suffering from atrophy at the age of three years and two months. Elizabeth was brought from Eltham in state and buried on the north side of St. Edward the Confessor's Shrine in Westminster Abbey on Friday the 27th. Princess Elizabeth was the first of four of King Henry and Queen Elizabeth's children to die prematurely and they were greatly affected. The large sum of £318 (£155,479.74 in today's money) was spent on her funeral and Henry erected a small tomb to his daughter in the Abbey made from Purbeck and black marble. On top of the monument is a finely polished slab of black Lydian, upon which were placed inscriptions to Elizabeth and her effigy of copper gilt, both of which are now lost. Later, Princess Elizabeth's younger brother Prince Edmund (who died in 1500 at the age of 15 months) and her younger sister Princess Katherine (who died in 1503 shortly after birth) were also laid by her side.
OK now "atrophy" is a weird cause of death! Some sort of wasting disease? Like what? Anyone care to speculate?
Posted on 11/19/2009 1:11 PM
O wait, I think it just came to me....Father Time, maybe?
Posted on 11/19/2009 12:54 PM
Yes, if not for Richard of Bordeaux, Gaunt would've been the one invested as Prince of Wales after the Black Prince's death. Generally succession only went through the female line if there was a dearth of direct male heirs, so I highly doubt E3 would've tapped Philippa Mortimer to be queen even though Lionel was the 2nd son & Gaunt was the 3rd. Plus I bet E3 still had Mortimer issues despite letting his granddaughter wed one. For some reason the English were highly paranoid about the possibility of Gaunt usurping Richard's claim, when in actuality Gaunt did all he could to keep Richard's arse on the throne throughout his many screwups & keep peace in the kingdom. If Gaunt hadn't been busily engaged in dying when Bolingbroke was banished, he may have been able to talk sense into them both. Maybe he died thinking he had, as it's said Richard visited him at Leicester when it became apparent he was on his way out. And actually, by primogeniture, Bolingbroke should've been Richard's heir, not the Mortimers. Richard wasn't all that old & Isabella was going to grow up & consummate the marriage; Bolingbroke obviously didn't care to wait & see if Richard could sire an heir of the body. Gaunt would've had a cow had he lived to see his son banished for life & the huge Lancastrian ducal estates yanked from his own heirs into the royal coffers. Richard overplayed his hand there.
This thread had become A Plantagenety November, too ROFL And now it's about to be a Stuarty one as Charles Is BD is today & I bet MQOS was tickled pink over Knox's demise. I mean, the Scots lords were no saints, but Knox was such a troublemaker & he instigated them at times.
Back to Tudory....interesting that the 1st installment of CoAs dowry arrived on the anniversary of Warwick's execution. It's said Isabella, following the Perkin Warbeck nonsense, told Henry VII to get rid of all those pesky Yorkist claimants before she'd consider sending her daughter to marry his son.
Posted on 11/19/2009 12:22 PM
It's likely because they're the queen's rellies 11dy6x removed or something. It's been 500 years, c'mon, & it's not like they were actual ancestors. I'm sure my 500-year-old rellies somewhere in Europe probably have a housing complex atop them or something by now ROFL And you're right, if she's so concerned about them then why don't they give Mary a better resting place than a slab surrounded by linoleum?
OK I'm looking at Find a Grave. Bridget's plot at Dartford Priory no longer exists & it's Henry VIIIs fault. He built a manor on it after the Dissolution & it became part of Anne of Cleves' settlement. You think he'd have the class to move his own aunt!
Catherine, Countess of Devon's grave at St Peter's Churchyard in Tiverton, Devon stills exists. She was Courtenay's grandmother. As her hubby died in 1511 & she took a vow of chastity. Must've been a splendid marriage ROFL
Cicely is noted as Cecelia at Find A Grave (splains why I couldn't find her before) & though Quarr Abbey on the Isle of Wight is in ruins, it doesn't say the grave has vaporized like it did with Bridget's.
Anne was a tough nut to crack as for some odd reason she's listed under Howard, having been married to our Tudor Surrey/Norfolk's father. She's in St Mary's, Lambeth, London.
I did find Mary & little George. They're in St George's Chapel, Windsor, with their parents.
Just as a side note....Richard of York (sans head, I assume) was buried at Fotheringhay, which is also in ruins. Clarence & Isabel Neville are at Tewkesbury Abbey. Their effigy thing has crumbled to dust & so have they, it says they're in a glass box now on the wall of the vault. I'm going to bookmark this Plantagenet search page & add some more into the Find a Royal Grave thread, as it also came up with a few other Plantagenets of earlier times.
Posted on 11/19/2009 12:16 PM
Ironic that Mortimer got his in the same week, 4 yrs later, hmmm? E3 must've really despised him to show his contempt by insisting on a commoner's death for a noble. And how would you like to be him having this conversation with Mummy about her BF? ROFL
I just saw something recently that said ever since Richard II was invested as Prince of Wales, it's been done. Do you think E3 was listening to how much the English folk seemed to despise Gaunt when he planned this event?
Does anyone know how long it took all those Eleanor Crosses to go up? There's only the one in Charing Cross left now, right?
Posted on 11/19/2009 12:09 PM
Richard III and the Murder in the Tower
$27....I hope I get a nice Amazon gift certificate for Xmas as I'd like that one, please!
Posted on 11/19/2009 12:07 PM
Hmmm....I could....except some of them you just don't know for certain what killed them. Like old Arthur there, for instance. In fact, I don't think I even know what the subject of this thread, Matilda, died of, except that she did ROFL Go dig out that Plantagenet encyclopedia
Posted on 11/19/2009 12:01 PM
Let's see now....Arthur would've been 22 when Henry VII died in April 1509, as his BD was in August. I think it's clear he was the favorite child. What it boils down to is, was Arthur capable of siring children? I saw something on the subject of the wedding anniversary elsewhere & was thinking about how incredibly fecund Catherine of Aragon was in the 1st 9 years of her marriage to Henry VIII. They were married June 11, 1509 & their 1st child was born (dead) January 31, 1510. 11 months later we have the New Year's Boy making a brief appearance on the royal stage. Catherine & Arthur were married about 5 months before Arthur died in April 1502. Henry was not invested as Prince of Wales until February 1503, 10 months after that. Since they had no clue about how long pregnancy really was back then (good for cheating wives ROFL), does that indicate there was a watch on Catherine's midsection & enough time had gone by to conclude she wasn't pregnant? I think the investiture was planned in advance as it took place only a week after Elizabeth of York's death. If she caught pregnant so quickly & so frequently with Henry, is the fact that she didn't with Arthur a sign that their marriage really wasn't consummated or that Arthur was shooting blanks?
If there were no offspring after such a time, Henry VII may have taken steps to invalidate the marriage himself, & of course it would've been Catherine who took the blame for being "barren". If Arthur had a 2nd wife with the same result, then Catherine's value on the international marriage mart would've increased & she could well have found herself the 2nd wife of Foxnose Francois in place of her niece Eleanor. If no kids, then I don't think Henry VIII would've gone into the church as he was the obvious heir presumptive & what a PITA it would've been to get Rome to release him from priestly orders so that he could marry & breed up the heirs that Arthur hadn't. He may have ended up with Renee of France after all, or Isabella of Portugal (Charles Vs wife), because of course he probably would've married at least 10 years after he really did. Who knows, he might've had Anne Boleyn catch his eye while waiting on marriage negotiations & been unencumbered for it! I've always wondered, if those 2 had been able to marry as early as 1527, if their 1st child might not have been the desired lad instead if Elizabeth.
But if Arthur & Catherine had a son or 2, yes, I think Henry VII would've made sure Henry VIII had taken Holy Orders before he died. He may have become Arthur's Wolsey ROFL & likely been appointed regent in the event of Arthur leaving minor heirs.
I think Henry might have enjoyed being one of those behind the scenes manipulators as much as he enjoyed being king. And like Wolsey, he would've kept a piece on the side & bred up genuine Tudor bastards.