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From: ForeverAmber  (Original Message)Sent: 7/11/2002 12:47 AM
On  September 8, 1560, a tragic event occurred at Cumnor Place. Amy Robsart, wife of Robert Dudley,  had insisted that her servants attend Abingdon Fair, leaving her alone in the house. Later that day she was found dead at the bottom of a flight of stairs. Her neck was broken.  It is said that she had been suffering from "a malady of the breast", probably what we would call breast cancer.  She & Robert, Elizabeth I's favorite, had been married 10 years with no children, & he was often at court dancing attendance on the queen, leaving Amy to live a virtually separate life.  The inquest into her unattended demise brought back a ruling of accidental death.  It was wildly speculated at the time that Robert, eager to wed the queen, had had a hand in hastening his unwanted wife's demise.  What do we think of this mystery?
From: GreensleevesSent: 7/11/2002 3:53 PM
Greetings, one and all!  It has always struck me as ironic that Amy was almost certainly dying of cancer in 1560 and that Dudley would have been free to marry Elizabeth afterward if that was how it was going to play out.  I think it would have been quite stupid of him to hasten her demise when all he had to do was wait!  Since it was Amy who gave the servants the day off, perhaps her depression and pain from the cancer drove her to commit suicide?
From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1Sent: 7/13/2002 10:03 PM
As has been said, I agree, I don't think Robert had anything to do with Amy's death (except in the realm of neglect).  She had been ill and I have read many a time that the speculation today is that it WAS breast cancer.  At any rate, most knew she was terminally ill.  It was bad timing, no doubt there.  But mabey Amy understood that and chose to "end it all" partly from the pain and all she must have been enduring but also because of the "shadow" it would cause to fall over Robert and in doing so gain her revenge for the years of neglect. 
 
 Just another theory.
From: RhiannonSent: 7/15/2002 8:29 PM
Hi. Back from vacation at the beach.
I believe that Amy killed herself. I think she knew the end was near and could no longer bear the pain. I think as far gone as her didease was it had probably spread to other parts of her body and that she would have been in considerable pain. I also think she knew that if she killed herself that it would cast a  shadow over Robertand prevent him from marrying the "other" woman, his beloved Elizabeth.
                                Rhiannon 
From: double_bladed_ninjaSent: 7/16/2002 9:07 PM
In my opinion it was suicide. Too much intrigue and drama could really drive many a man to the breaking point in those days.
From: AnnieBmeSent: 7/17/2002 10:13 PM
Whether Robert was guilty or not, the incident put an end to Elizabeth ever being able to marry him. 
 
If Amy had died in her bed of her illness, I think Elizabeth would have married Robert.
 
Even if they had married, Elizabeth would have insured that there was no doubt in anyone's mind that she was Queen! and would have given Robert very little power.  In fact, Robert Dudley probably had more power in not being married to her than he would have, had it been possible for them to marry.
From: MSN Nicknamebratboy197Sent: 7/18/2002 2:11 AM
I beg to differ.  I doubt Elizabeth would have ever married Dudley.  First and foremost it would have ruined the fun games that she was playing with the various monarches of Europe.  As you recall she was leading various royal courtiers on and off...especially through the early part of her reign to secure allies for England against the French and Mary Queen of Scots.  Secondly...as "Bonny Sweet Robin"  gained more titles due to his favour with the Elizabeth he became more and more despised at court.  I think that had a marriage ever occurred betwix the two he would have surely been assassinated and she would either have followed suit or been deposed.  All in all Elizabeth had far too much to lose if such a proposal were ever made
From: DameBudgieSent: 7/30/2002 10:41 AM
Greetings
 
I'd have to weigh in on the side of those that think Amy killed herself over the pain of the cancer, and perhaps the despair prompted by Robert's obvious committment to Elizabeth.
 
Make no mistake: Dudley was ambitious, and I'm not sure I'd put murder past him ... but, in this case, I think Amy probably did herself in.
 
I don't think Elizabeth would have married him. She was too hard headed, and perhaps she knew him all too well.
 
                                                                        Thanks, DameBudgie
From: AnnieBmeSent: 8/5/2002 7:45 PM
Just a thought...
 
Other then Elizabeth being the source of great power for Dudley...would he still have "sniffed" after her? 
 
If Elizabeth had been just some peasant girl Robert Dudley befriended while in the tower, would he still have been so "enamoured" with her?
From: ForeverAmberSent: 8/5/2002 10:47 PM
I think Dudley really thought Elizabeth WOULD marry him.....eventually, after the scandal of Amy's untimely demise had died down.  Although she was cautious, she continued to allow him to spend a great amount of time in her private chambers & granted him many favors, both personal & political.  But how many years was he supposed to wait for her to make up her mind?  He had all this material wealth & no legitimate heir to whom he could bequeath it.  Enter Lettice Knollys, Mary Boleyn's granddaughter & Elizabeth's cousin.....of all the women at court, this seems like a choice calculated to get Elizabeth's goat!  Perhaps a last-ditch attempt to arouse the queen's jealousy & make an honest man of him?
From: ForeverAmberSent: 1/8/2005 9:12 PM
I had a thought....this thread speculates as to whether Amy Robsart killed herself, or whether Robert Dudley, impatient to marry Elizabeth, hastened her demise.
 
But WHAT IF.....
 
Brat hit the nail on the head when he said that Dudley was greatly despised at court the more Elizabeth favored him....what if one of his enemies had Amy removed to thwart his ambitions?  Cecil for one probably could not stand his influence over the queen.  Hmmmm....
From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62Sent: 1/11/2005 4:45 PM
How interesting that you'd post that Amber!  I 've been enjoying a new Elizabeth bio that dear hubby got me for Christmas and that very thing was oh-so-obliquely hinted at!  Cecil knew Elizabeth well enough that the very hint of scandal would keep her from marrying Robin.  One would think that after the lies about her mother, and the Tom Semour mess, Elizabeth would abhor scandal above all else....yet she was playing with fire near the beginning of her rule.  Rumors were thick about her & Rob, especially when she sent Cecil away from court on a mission.  What a devious mind that man had ~ he knew that telling Elizabeth about Rob's bad points wouldn't change her mind or feelings about  him, but place him smack in the middle of a messy murder/suicide/unknonw death situation would be like dumping a  bucket of cold water on her feelings.  Drat I'm at work now & don't have the book handy! 
 
Will post the name & author later.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:02/19/2009 6:34 AM)

From: Greensleeves Sent: 1/11/2005 5:45 PM
Hmmm...maybe ELIZABETH had it done! Think about it....Sweet Robin's begats alone were enough to make him unsuitable as a consort, what with his grandfather, father, & brother being executed for TREASON, & I think his brother John also died in the Tower (tho not beheaded).  Basically he was a nice boy toy for Lizzie but generally disliked even without the taint of treason.  Maybe he pressured her to marry him a lil too much & this was her way of squashing his royal pretensions?
From: MSN NicknameKira0207746 Sent: 1/13/2005 7:22 PM
I don't think she would have married her beloved Robert.  It wasn't meant to be.  And, I too believe that Robert's wife did herself in.  Being Ill and being left alone all of the time, being depressed - down the steps - goodbye!
From: Greensleeves Sent: 1/13/2005 11:35 PM
I just finished reading The Virgin's Lover by Philippa Gregory, she of Other Boleyn Girl infamy....who puts forth that at the inquest it was said Amy's clothes were tidy & her headdress on straight, which was not all that indicative of a fall...wonder why the verdict came in accidental death of this is true?
From: Rapunzel676 Sent: 1/14/2005 7:24 PM
I'm a newbie and mostly a lurker, but I thought I'd weigh in here. I tend to agree with the majority--Amy Dudley was depressed, in pain, and may have even felt that she was doing Robert a favor by removing what many saw as the only bar to his marrying the Queen. In any event, I don't feel that Dudley was the immediate cause of his wife's death, although I can't positively say the same about that of the Countess of Lennox.
From: judymar Sent: 1/15/2005 8:11 AM
I have often thought that underlings close to Dudley did the deed, with hopes of "favors" going to them once he was Consort. That sort of goes in my line of thinking about the death of Diana as well, underlings thinking they were doing what was best for the "family", but it back fired and would not be into their best interests to let it be known now or ever of their involvement in the "accident"........Judy
From: MSN NicknameLadyoftheGlade1 Sent: 1/15/2005 6:10 PM
Just an observation....Whether Cecil had it done to save the Queen from herself or Elizabeth had it done or Amy comitted suicide, etc...seems like all the scenerios we have put forth all have one common thing...Dudley didn't do it!
From: Greensleeves Sent: 1/15/2005 10:15 PM
 
"I didn't do it!" Dudley cried
It's not my fault the dumb broad died!
She tripped & fell & broke her neck
And now my life has gone to heck!
Being king woulda been so sweet
If Amy hadn't had two left feet!
From: MSN Nicknameredfire8156 Sent: 1/17/2005 1:55 PM
I have always wondered about this myself but never done much resarch into the subject. I'd be interested in hearing others oppinions on the matter. Personally I always found the timing of her death to be very convient for any ideas Dudley may have had about marrying Elizabeth, if he did seek the crown to bad for him his plans never took shape.
From: ForeverAmber Sent: 10/20/2005 5:18 PM
Derek Wilson's take on Amy's demise in the Dudleys book...he rules out suicide as it supposedly wasn't such a big flight of stairs.  The cancer theory, he says, may well have been valid as it could have made her bones brittle had it metastized.  Then proposes one I've never heard before, that Amy suffered a sudden aortic anyeurism (which may also have caused chest pain, ie. the famous "malady of the breast" Amy is purported to have suffered) & pitched headfirst down the steps as it burst & she died.  Interesting theory, that one.
 
Then of course, there's always murder LOL....& Wilson thinks of it as who stood to gain from Amy's death?  Certainly not Robert Dudley, who was immediately rendered ineligible as a possible prince consort for Elizabeth as soon as suspiscion fell on him.  Wilson likes Cecil for it, removing Amy for that very reason, to stop Elizabeth from the folly of marrying Robert.
From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62 Sent: 10/24/2005 1:35 PM
As much as I admire Cecil's single minded devotion to Elizabeth & the monarchy, I also suspect him in the death of Amy Dudley.  It had the desired effect of removing Robert Dudley from court, under suspicion of murder, for who knows how long?  Also permanently removing him from the potential consort list!   Was Cecil canny enough to suspect that for Elizabeth, marriage=death, as some have posed?  If you look at her history, it's easy to believe that that idea was in her subconcious.  Let's list the candidates for this:  her mother & father, her stepmother Katherine Howard(and relative of her mother) & father, Katherine Parr (some say her intellectual mother) & Thomas Seymour, her cousin Jane Gray & Guilford Dudley (well, that's a stretch, but Jane's marriage to Northumberland's son did lead directly to Jane's death), her sister Mary & Philip (at least it wasn't an attractive example of marriage), any others???
 
Just thinkin' 
From: MSN Nicknamemanxie400 Sent: 11/26/2007 1:10 PM
I've always thought that Cecil William had a hand in her death.
To protect Elizabeth from the clutches of Rober Dudley.
I've always thought he was out to use her.
By Cecil killing off Amy, it could look like Dudley did it to
be able to be with the Queen without actually coming out and saying so.
Tongues would wag over that thought I'm sure, Dudley possibly killing his
wife, so impuning his reputation.
I never liked Dudley anyway....
From: Greensleeves Sent: 11/28/2007 4:36 AM
I'm amazed Mary didn't have his head for breakfast along with his father's....he's lucky he lived as long as he did, seeing as the Dudley escutcheon was so lousy with treason LOL  Why do you think he managed to escape when everyone else connected with Northumberland's coup got the axe?
From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5 Sent: 11/28/2007 4:19 PM
He was very lucky to survive; attainted and sentenced to death in January 1554 and held in the Tower for nine months with the threat of execution every day, before being released in October. He was even restored to his former honours in 1558 while Mary still lived.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:02/19/2009 6:34 AM)

From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62 Sent: 11/29/2007 8:54 AM
I think Mary Tudor tried very hard to be fair, at least in the beginning of her reign.  She only had Northumberland executed at first.  The Dudley boys were kept in the Tower, but were not executed, except for Guilford, (the boy who would be king??) who was beheaded along with Jane after Wyatt's rebellion.  In fact, Ambrose, Henry and Robert were released after 9 months in the tower and pardoned 3 months later.  A few years after that, Ambrose raised an army for Philip of Spain and fought for Spain against France.  Robert & Henry fought also, but Henry was killed at the Battle of St. Quentin.  For this, the family estates were returned, and in March of 1558, the family was restored in blood by an Act of Parliament. 
From: Greensleeves Sent: 11/29/2007 6:54 PM
Didn't John Jr die in the Tower?
From: MSN Nicknameterrilee62 Sent: 11/30/2007 8:50 AM
 

John DUDLEY (2° E. Warwick)

Born: BEF 1528

Acceded: Jan 1553

Died: 18/21 Oct 1554, Penhurst, Kent, England

Notes: Viscount Lisle. The Complete Peerage v.XIIpII,pp.398-400. Married to Anne Seymour, daughter of Edward Seymour, 1st Duke of Somerset, in a great ceremony attended by Edward VI, and on the following day Robert, his brother, who was about 17 on the occasion of his wedding to Amy Robsart in 1550, was contracted, an event which was also attended by the Prince Edward, by whose invitation the ceremony was performed at his Palace at Sheen. He was shut up in the Tower of London with his mother, following Northumberland's fall from power. Condemned to death for having signed the letters patent making his sister-in-law, Lady Jane Grey, heir apparent. His release along with his surviving brothers was chiefly secured upon the tireless pleadings of their mother. She rode into Essex as soon as she was released to meet Queen Mary and plead for the lives of her imprisoned family, but was turned away on Mary's orders. Wyatt's rebellion sealed the fate of Guilford Dudley, but three of his brothers, Ambrose, Robert and Henry, were released in Oct 1554 and John himself soon afterwards. John, the eldest, having been much reduced in health, died only three days later at his brother in law, Henry Sidney’s castle of Penshurst in Kent.

*****************************************************************************************************************************

How sad - to survive his father's treason & the Tower, to die of ill-health only after being released. 

I had not realized that poor Guilford was the youngest son! Henry, John, Ambrose & Robert were already married by 1553, when Northumberland meddled in the succession and married Guilford to Lady Jane Grey.  We always focus on Jane's youth, but Guilford was only 19, and the youngest boy of several, and Northumberland had to have a powerful personality.  I'm sure young Guilford had no real choice in his marriage & was bullied on all sides, as was Jane.

From: Greensleeves Sent: 11/30/2007 11:56 AM
Yup, I knew he didn't live to enjoy himself.  Penshurst used to be Buckingham's digs before he made the acquaintance of Henry's axeman, & Lord Lisle was the title of Henry's bastard uncle Arthur Plantagenet, who also met the axe in the Catherine Howard debacle aftermath.  Well, at least he got outta the Tower before perishing!  Somerset's daughter being his wife was a mark of how buddy buddy Somerset & Northumberland used to be, I bet.
 
There's a tale that Robert & Amy's marriage was initially a love match (certainly the Robsarts, unlike the Seymours, were of no great shakes at Court) which was looked upon indulgently by their families.  Betcha Dudley was sighing in relief when Northumberland's eye could only fall on Guildford LOL even if his relationship with Amy had gone sour by then.
 
Exactly who was Northumberland's wife, btw?  Anyone important?  Wondering if she could have been a Tudor cousin for Mary to look so kindly upon her sons.
From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5 Sent: 11/30/2007 3:50 PM
The Duke of Northumberland's wife was Jane daughter of Sir Edward Guilford, Marshal of Calais who was John Dudley's guardian after his father had been executed in 1510. So it looks like she was a childhood sweetheart and a match had probably been arranged in their childhood. She survived him by less than 18 months dying early in 1555. She had a horror of surgeons having been advised to have a leg amputated in 1548, advise she defied and survived.
In her will she stated "not in any wise to let me be opened after I am dead; I have not loved to be very bold afore women, much more I would be loath to come into the hands of any living man, be he physician or surgeon". 
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 8:33 AM)

Is that the same Guildford whose wife was in charge of the Tudor nursery & whose son Henry grew up to be comptroller of Henry's household in the early days?  If so, mayhap Mary was pals with them at court when she was younger?
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/10/2009 8:34 AM)

The Ballad of Amy Robsart

Be that a banana peel on the stair?
How strange!  I wonder who put it there?
Surely no one would want me to trip
Arse over teakettle & do a backflip
Land on my head & break my neck
My farthingale would be a wreck!
Everyone's off to the county fair
I wonder who could've put it there?
My bonny Robin's nowhere to be seen
Dancing attendance on that tiresome queen
With lead paint smeared on her ugly face
Poor Robin's never at Cumnor Place
But you know, there have been awful rumors
He's boffing the queen while I've got tumors
'Tisn't very nice what people say
That Robin hopes I'll pass away
So he can give the queen a ring
And strut about like he's the king
They're pals, he says; I hope 'tis true
I like not the banana peel 'neath my shoe
I'm balanced so precariously
My skirt's so big I can hardly see
But I won't fall....I ain't, I ain't!
O dear, I feel a little faint
Come over with a malady
New shoes can be so slippery
Teeter-totter, balustrade
One foot on a banana peel & one in the grave!

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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/11/2009 5:50 PM)

I remember when you were so amused over the picture in that rhyming history book of Dudley throwing the banana peel while Amy followed him down the stairs!

I also remember there was an autopsy done on Catherine of Aragon where they found her black heart.  If there was an inquest into Amy's death then why wasn't there an autopsy done on her?
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/12/2009 3:19 AM)

Probably because the cause of death appeared obvious; a broken neck.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/17/2009 12:37 PM)

I can see what Berengaria means, tho, since there was all that talk about Amy's alleged "malady of the breast".  You'd think they'd want to clear that bit up even if twas screamingly obvious her neck was snapped?
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/17/2009 8:28 PM)

I think everyone was just so pleased to see Dudley finally being shamed and pushed away from the Queen, that they kind of forgot about poor Amy...
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/18/2009 7:10 AM)

I wish they'd dig up all these peeps whose cause of demise we speculate about & figure it out already.  There's that theory that Amy's cancer metastized into her bones & made em brittle enough to snap in such a short fall, & that might be able to be seen in her skeleton even tho her bosom malady has decomposed.  Acuz when ya think bout it, is pushing some peep down a flight of stairs REALLY gonna guarantee a terminal case of the deceases?  You couldn't possibly be 100% sure twas gonna kill em.  Methinks there's ways to tell if bones are broken from trauma or twisting....like, a spiral fracture means some peep literally twisted your arm until it broke....if she did get a shove & it didn't kill her & she had some bruiser snap her neck, there'd be a difference in the resultant injury.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:09/18/2009 1:27 PM)

Rather like the ridiculous theory that Princess Diana was murdered by having her car forced off the road. If she'd worn a seatbelt she'd have survived and it's not advisable to try to force a huge limo off the road in a tiny Renault (or whatever it was) you'd be more likely to crash yourself.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:10/01/2009 10:12 PM)

They probably didn't do an autopsy on Amy because Elizabeth didn't want the conclusion to give her bad press in any way. She had already banished Dudley from her side in case it was decided that he had been the cause of her death.



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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:10/04/2009 1:08 AM)

Smart thinkin there, LB smiley12  There was enough of a scandal as twas without adding fuel to the fire.  Elizabeth didn't banish him too far or too long, tho, did she?  Yknow, they were married quite a while (like 10 yrs?) afore Amy demised & Dudley had 2 acknowledged sons....mayhap she had a malady in her reproductive bits?
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:10/04/2009 1:45 AM)

I don't think Dudley did it personally. I agree with you Greensleeves that since he had been married to her for 10 years and they had children, you would think he would have gotten rid or her earlier if that was his plan. He had been courting the Queen for at least 10 years, so the situation of marriage etc wouldn't have changed over that time. I cannot see any reason why he would want to harm her that could advance his position as potential King of the realm.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:10/04/2009 12:36 PM)

Was he really in love with Lettice Knollys, or did he simply find her attractive and suitable to marry? I've just seen "The Virgin Queen" starring Anne-Marie Duff as Elizabeth (who is very good by the way), and it actually had a scene in which an extremely ill Amy, after receiving yet another letter from Robert saying that he could not come home, throws herself over the railing and plummets to her death. Very sad. I sincerely wish Dudley had paid more attention to her, even id he did not love her, per se.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:10/07/2009 5:19 PM)

Lettice had a striking resemblance to Elizabeth; she was Mary Boleyn's granddaughter, after all:



Perhaps that's what drew Dudley to her in the 1st place.  She's even got Elizabeth's long white fingers.  Elizabeth was quite generous to Aunt Mary's children & was especially fond of Lettice's mother, Catherine Carey Knollys, & Henry Carey's daughter, Philadelphia.  Her Tudor rellies she had to be wary of because they were all heir presumptives, but her Boleyn & Howard rellies she could likely relax with & actually treat as family. 

Dudley couldn't have picked a wife more calculated to piss Elizabeth off.  It could've been a spite thing.  He certainly didn't seem overly irked when Lettice was banned from Court or Elizabeth called her a "she-wolf".  There were rumors he was having an affair with Lettice while her husband, Walter Devereux, was in Ireland (which would make it concurrent with his affair with Douglass Sheffield).  It's odd that he married Lettice considering that even when Douglass was pregnant he insisted it would be his downfall & ruin to marry her (the queen's wrath & all) & refused to do so. 

Having just the one child in 10 yrs of marriage, you have to wonder if the 1st childless union was wholly Amy's fault; maybe Dudley's little soldiers were misfiring ROFL  I mean, obviously he didn't live like a monk despite dangling after Elizabeth, but in nearly 30 yrs of doing so he just had the 2 boys.  I doubt there were others gone unacknowledged as he did acknowledge Douglass's son, wrangled with her over custody, brought the kid to Court, & remembered him in his will by leaving him his (also childless) brother Ambrose's estates.  Ironic if Elizabeth had defied everyone & married him & then never caught pregnant.

You have to remember what prolific breeders the Northumberlands were & that Robert was the 4th son.  4th sons generally didn't have fabulous inheritance prospects.  Perhaps marrying Amy Robsart was the best match they could arrange for him under the circumstances.  I'm sure he was happy about it when Guildford was shoved at Jane Grey.  Being a 5th son, that was a splendid marriage for Guildford in theory.  Alas, it didn't quite work out the way Northumberland hoped.
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Re:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:02/26/2011 8:04 PM)

I am joining this forum as I have been reading, for the fourth time, but first since the hard back came out and watching the National Geograthic on Elizabeth: Killer Queen from the book by Chris Skidmore Death and the Virgin about the alleged murder of Amy Robsart, the first wife of Robert Dudley, later Earl of Leicester, the lover of Elizabeth I. I have to agree that some of the theories are a bit out there, but the evidence does need to be revisited. However, without the physical remains of Amy, which are missing, or some of her clothing, or her blood or some other physical thing from the murder scene we cannot be sure that she was murdered. I do not believe she committed suicide, even though she may have had some depression due to the fact that she had breast cancer. She may have been on some Tudor form of morphene; they did use mercery for a number of illnesses to relieve pain and the symptoms. This may have affected her brain and may have made her crazy. She may also simply have been resting in the house, wanting to be alone, and woken up, still drosy from the drugs and could have fallen by accident, by losing her footing. If she came from her room, on the upper landing, along to the half set of stairs, then down the second set, that may have added to her confusion and she simply collapsed and fell, hitting her head and breaking her neck. You do more damage on only a few stairs than you do a full flight. The theory by Gregory that William Cecil had her killed is rubbish. Cecil saw Dudley as a rival; so why get rid of an innocent woman in order to trap his rival with a charge of murder? He could have had him done for a trumped up charge of treason and executed. After all the rest of his family had been either killed as traitors, accused of treason and put in the Tower and a charge of suspician or hiding a plot against Elizabeth was brought against him 10 years after Amy's death. Elizabeth may have ordered her death; but why? She could not marry a man accused of murder, even if she was capable of such a thing. And Robert Dudley? He may want to get rid of his wife, but he only had to wait and it is possible that she would die in any case and he was cleared at the time. But then he could have bribed the coronor and the jury? Dudley wanted an inquest and he had to clear his name; he could not remain at court unless he did. But the evidence against him or that clears him was not conclusive. And was it even murder? For many years this was something that I actually believed, but now with more evidence in the public domain it is clear that an accident is just as likely. She could have just fallen and may-be we are too keen to find someone to blame because we like a mystery with a whodonet ending. The most compelling evidence for a murder is the recently discovered coronors report and inquest. The report says that she had two wounds in her head; one a couple of inches long and another an inch or so long. But the measure is that of a thumb. Now a thumb is a subjective measure as it is individual to the owner. And how do you measure an internal wound with a thumb? It is very difficult to put a thumb into a closing wound and a hole in the skull that is not totally open, as it causes the skull to crack inwards and to fill with skin and mass. There are several problems, but I will not go into them as I am not a pathologist. They are problematic wounds and they are also wounds that we cannot verify. They are described in the report, but we do not know how they were made. We do not know if they are postmorton, at the time of death and impact, or before she fell down the stairs. We do not have the body and the skull of Amy Robsart to examine. We do not have anything to look at to establish if the wounds exist, if they are large enough to have been caused by a blunt or a sharp object, or if they are caused by the fall. We have to take the examiners word and we do not have a reason to doubt that they exist; we simply can never verify this and we simply do not know how the wounds were caused. The discovery of the body may have been helpful, but a lot would have depended on the condition of the skull. We also need to be sure that we are looking at Amy's body. Yes, she may have been killed or it could have been an acciden. The fact is, without her body, we can never really be sure.
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RE:A Convenient Death: Amy Robsart
(Date Posted:06/22/2011 1:01 AM)

Burial:
University Church of St Mary the Virgin
Oxford
Oxfordshire, England

This is where Find A Grave says Amy Robsart is buried.  The church still exists.  If it's not a Crown Peculiar, then the queen has no say over exhumations taking place at it.  If it is a Crown Peculiar, then she can & does say no to requests for that.
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