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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 6:35 AM)

I want to thank Patti for the idea of creating a single catagory for the discussion of found horses. For those who are interested in these topics,   they will now be localized and easy to find. And for for those who aren't interested, no need to visit this section!

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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 7:09 AM)

Can someone give a clear explanation of exactly what a "Found" Kiger is? Is it horses brought in from other HMA's in the same area, or from other states? What consitutes foundation blood?



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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 7:22 AM)

Foundation is a term the KMA uses to mean freeze-branded Kigers right off the HMAs.   (If I am wrong,   someone please correct me!)


That is not the same thing as "found",   which refers to horses that have been registered as Kigers,   which do not trace exclusively to Kiger or Riddle HMAs.

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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 8:31 AM)

In about 89 to 93 there was a shortage of horses from the Kiger and Riddel herd so any dun factor horse kma members could find ended up as a kiger. Some today say it was to make the Authentic kigers better but most of us say to make those member more money. They the kma members would pay $125 for a mustang that was from other places and then put kma /kiger papers to it and sell it for $5000 not bad. they even made buyers in the midwest and east drive to Oregon to pay the $5000 for the fake not like when I brought yours and they were Authentic ones at that.  One thing today that shows hope to stop the found mess there are only about 5 or 6 kma people that breed and hide them the rest have stopped or tell 100% the truth about the horse.
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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 9:17 AM)

This thread needs this: Years after I left the kma the Vic Pres at that time did and odite of BLM records to KMA. This is the way she described her findings: 1/3 OF ALL ALL KIGERS IN THE KMA ARE FAKE FAKE. At that time there were about 180 so 60 about. Today 249 and growing do you see why some of use are mad and the majority unhappy.That lady was the first to put the word fake on them as well not me.
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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 4:19 PM)

"In about 89 to 93 there was a shortage of horses from the Kiger and Riddel herd so any dun factor horse kma members could find ended up as a kiger."



So, Kigers that were there before 89 are not considered fake?



"they even made buyers in the midwest and east drive to Oregon to pay the $5000 for the fake not like when I brought yours and they were Authentic ones at that."



Rick, I have never doubted you on that issue . . . I was just confused on if anything outside of the original herd was considered fake or those added from other states.



"Foundation is a term the KMA uses to mean freeze-branded Kigers right off the HMAs."



So, Foundation in KMA is any horse, no matter what origin, out of the Kiger/Riddle HMA? Does the SMKR have a foundation status or what would be considered as such? Maybe the horses before 89 that came off the HMA?



thanks for helping to clear things up . . .

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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 8:31 PM)

Bascialy any horse that is on or comes off the Kiger or Riddle we look at as a kiger or was breed there. So what i have seen since 87 is that maybe 10 to 15 were not what we would want but that is alot better than the 249 fake ones kma put in with their standard of [perfecton] . We feel that by taking the blm kigers we tried to elminate what happened to kma  and that was the ones in the registry that had the power to make cetificets would go get any dun from any place and put kma kiger papers to it regardless of quality.
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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 9:52 PM)

It is my understanding that they apply the Foundation designation to horses right off the HMAs, whether it is Kiger or Riddle. They do have one half/Kiger that is registered as Foundation whose dam originated from Sheepshead. They have given Permanent designation to found or fake horses and they are listed in the same section as the Foundation Kigers. And yet they list half Kigers and the non-breeding Kigers in a different subsection, segregated from the Foundation, Permanent and fake horses. If none of the makes any sense, get in line.



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(Date Posted:01/25/2006 10:37 PM)

This might tell it all: I was on the registery commity in the begining because of that they would change the brith place of my horse so instead of being worth $300 or so he would be worth $4000 or so. But once out of kma they only go after me for the past 12 years and not help me steel from buyers on fake horses.
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(Date Posted:01/26/2006 10:33 PM)



I have been considering the consequences of those owners that arbitrarily change the name of a registered Kiger. There is at least one situation in the KMA stud book where a mare's name was changed, but I could find no offspring for her. Her former name appears in the older stud books, but the new stud book reflects her same number, but a new name. There is no mention of the former name or that it has been changed. Jeanie from Kitty Hawk mentioned recently on the message board that she changed Kiger Shadybrooks Hombre to Kiger Hombre. This foundation Kiger has at least 3 offspring. Will all those certificates of registration have to be changed? What other ramifications are there?



I had considered not posing this question on the message board because I was concerned that the "found" horse owners, in some way that has not yet occurred to me, would pick up on this idea and run with it in an attempt to get away from the issue or as some call it, the "sigma." That's all we need is a bunch of owners changing their horse's names and adding to this quickly growing mess. I am also concerned about the validity of those older certificates. Input?



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(Date Posted:01/26/2006 10:45 PM)

I would like to amend the last post by saying the Hombre has at least 13 offspring which would need to have their certificates changed.



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(Date Posted:01/27/2006 12:00 AM)

  One of the things that I've ran into with a name change is this............ when we bought Ruger he came with DNA papers and his name on the DNA papers was Northern Idaho Jr.......................well none of us thought anymore about it and we reg him as Ruger's Magnum Kiger........ well several years later he had his 1st  foal on the ground and we summited her DNA papers we sent it in as RMK aka NIJ    when they sent her DNA papers back it had NIJ on it and it was accompanied with a letter stating the only way they could change the name on the DNA was to have a copy of the name change through the registery.......... we never followed through cause it just wasnt that big of a deal for us..... he is a gelding now and only sired 3 foals.  But on ALL of his advertizing since this was brought to our attention, has his name as (Ruger's Magnum Kiger aka Northern Idaho Jr.)


  I guess that 'crooks' will take advantage of any oppurtunity............but I figure they have probley already thought of this.......dont you?  I wanted to tell this too, because not all 'name-changes' are done to confuse things or hide things............we had NO CLUE what we had done, until a number of years later.........it was all quite innocent. JMExperience.


(after thought)  You are right...........ALL of the offspring and their off spring and theiir off spring , etc will have to be changed........as with the future offsprings offsprings of Ruger---all their cert will have to carry BOTH his names, period...................if they dont "confussion" is sure to follow.

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(Date Posted:01/27/2006 12:15 AM)

Janice when I wanted Blitz removed from KMA because they changed where he was born I was told no chnages after they are registered> Thought that was funny because he was oringaly put in as a found or Temerary till he proved out. All a once he was made a foundation and his brith place was the kiger herd not the warmspings just as they did to some others. Why do you think KMA would change the brith place of a horse would I think to sell a $125 horse for $5000 some of you kma folks seem to think it was to make better horses if that is so what would changing the brith place on the papers have to do with it . Try and justifiy that .
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