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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/04/2008 6:00 PM)
I think less is better and I am with you on that one. I feel we need to have like an HOA board that we kiger owners elect and can vote off if they do not live up to the guidelines, and these members of this board have to answer to all Kiger owners and the registries, they will sift through the papers and decide on things like color, found or not found, ect.. And each registries will have 1 member on the board. and this white issue needs to be banned, at some time we all will have a horse that has white on it since in the wild you have no clue who bred who and inbreeding is rampant. and all our Kigers can be traced back to the wild.at some point. oh and the HOA stand for HORSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION. I don't know if this is even feasible but it is just a thought.
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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/04/2008 10:37 PM)
Nola, A little white is not a problem, excessive white, is DISCOURAGED. Early on it was believed that excessive white indicated a dilution of the dun gene, if I remember correctly. One of the premier distinguishing features of the original horses that drew attention was the Spanish characteristics and that they were primarily dun, with minimal white if I have my Kiger history correct. Minimal white is part of the original breed standard. More is understood now about color genetics. However, the excessive amounts of white that are present in the recent gather may mean more non-kiger horses are polluting the Kiger gene pool, especially when so many also clearly had conformation characteristics that were not like we had at previous gathers and in a high number of horses. If we started with a gene pool with minimal white, where did all of those loud horses come from? I kind of WONDER if non-kiger horses are intentionally being let loose to contaminate the breed effort to gain use of the land for other purposes like ranching. JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, wondering how it changed so drastically in just 4 years. Maybe just too many downed fences, or a gentic bottleneck, but something has changed. I have a mare with one white pastern and a even smaller white area on her other hind foot. She has four offspring and none of them have white, except for a small star on one of them. Their sires had no white. I would not want to breed her with a stallion that had excessive white to reinfored the white markings, because it defies the ideal standard as it is written. IF she was throwing babies with huge blazes and high white stockings, I would ASSUME she likely had some non-Kiger gene. Again, a breed has to have some uniformity or it ceases to be a distinguishable breed. If our wild herds are being bred by non-Kigers or the Kigers that do not meet a set of stardards we are loosing the intended purpose for the wild herd. All that white is a clue that something is happening. Linda D
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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/04/2008 11:08 PM)
Sorry, Linda, I don't agree with you on this one. Experience has shown me that horses with no white markings can produce foals that have them. For years our grulla stud threw very little, if any. white. Then a couple of years ago he sired a blazed-faced baby, and I do mean, a BIG FAT blaze. Mom had no white, her mom and dad had no white, (can't go back any further than that with the dam) the sire of the baby only has a small star...his mom had no white, His dad from KHMA had only a small star. His maternal granddam from RHMA did have a blaze, but nothing as obvious as the one on this foal. And the DNA is all, there, going back to the first gathers...nobody snuck over the fence, so to speak. Are white markings a recessive characteristic? I really don't know the latest data, but according to color expert Sponenberg, the prenatal environment can have a bearing on white markings. Identical twin embryos were planted in surrogate dams, and when the foals were born, they were not identical in color as one had a different white marking than the other. Anyway, those markings aren't exclusively genetic. Not that I don't also worry about fence-jumpers joining up with Kigers over at the Steens, its just that I don't think markings or the lack of them can refute or justify "pure Kiger" status. Anymore than I believe "less white markings means more dun factor". How silly, the two are totally separate traits. Rick said the motive behind limiting the markings in the beginning was to assure a good dark hoof. Apparently they were'nt that concernewd with blazes but were interested in getting hard feet. It seems the color traits quickly began to take another focus once the first registry got underway. We aren't even seeing as many red duns as we used to, (were there ANY at the 2007 gather?) and there were plenty of them in the 90's. Bettye
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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/05/2008 1:17 AM)
so it can be genetic, no one I guess will ever know, but I do not have a problem with the white markings to me adds to the horse. allot of the white things on the legs referred to how slow a horse would be if I remember correct, it all was and is a wives tale. but this is just my opinion. now back to the wild, I know Rick was so disappointed with this years round up he said they weren't up to standard or something to that effect. Stormy is a red line back dun with a tri colored mane and tail, I love how she looks.
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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/05/2008 1:49 PM)
Missing from the 2007 Kiger adoption claybanks or greys (if you exclude the old grey man) and there was only 1 maybe 2 red duns none were up for adoption, both I believe were held back in a sick pen. While there was alot of non-Kiger characteristic horses there, there was still some nice horses there. But that just my opinion. As far as the topic of this post 4 to 1, I am all for unity and for the registries to fill in some blanks. I would like to see some set in stone standards no matter what they are even if they exclude me and my horses I do not mind, but I would love to see some decisions made on conformation and color. The found issue no matter what needs to be addressed as well within the all in one registry, whether to include or exclude and no back tracking. I believe we need some set rules and stick to them, they will upset some folks that is just a fact. I would love for it to be member friendly. But in the past the owners of the registries have yet to trust the owners of the Kigers with decisions for the horses until recently as with the KHAR who gives members a vote, if my info' is right. Maybe it is time to give the owners a chance. I am not here to tell them what to do if I wanted to to do that I guess I could start my own registery..LOL (just joking) ;) I just wanted to mention some things I woud like to see happen and say GO FOR IT!! ;D
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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/05/2008 1:55 PM)
Tiffany there are 4 registries that have the same feeling about found/fake.So if we can get those 4 together we could run the foudn horses out no at least make them worthless money wise.
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RE:Less could be more
(Date Posted:01/05/2008 2:46 PM)
I agree with all of what you have posted Tiffany and I have posted the same on other boards. as for the found horses yes it need to be cleaned up, and taken care of. I would hope that when these 4/1 regestries join forces that we can work together to make this breed what we all know it can be. The standards need to be set but we as owners should have a chance to put in our 2 cents, and if they want to use what we have said wonderful, if not that is ok, at least we were able to voice our thoughts, and opinions. And to do this they might need to make an e-mail address and set it to one e-mail per kiger and 1/2 kiger owner. Just my thought.
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