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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/15/2008 12:28 AM)
YOUR TOO LATE!
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/15/2008 5:58 PM)
SHAME ON YOU CAKIGER (also known as Ralf and Shauna Dingus of the KMA). You know that you are supposed to sign your posts.
Janice
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/16/2008 12:52 PM)
Ralf
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/16/2008 12:58 PM)
Janice they are the kind I was reffering to.
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/18/2008 10:11 AM)
You are correct Rick, many good folks would like to see one good registry that ALL Kiger owners can rely on for prompt and courteous communication, handled with professionalism and no prejudice, with registrations issued according to rules and procedures in effect, where all Kiger owners can join together for the betterment of the Kiger horse, where different personalities can accept their differences and get along for the betterment of the Kiger horse, and NOT be a good 'ol boys club.
Is there a good one out there? Many know from hands on experience that KMA lacks all of the above qualities. As a matter of public record, anyone can contact the Oregon Attorney Generals office and ask for information on complaints against the Kiger Mesteno Association, and there are many, or better yet, for a copy of the recent letter sent by the Oregon Attorney General reprimanding them for their lack of following procedures and their behavior towards certain members, with a strong reminder of their "purpose" and their non profit status filing.
Is there a good one out there? The Kiger horse deserves to be recognized by a professional REGISTRY, not a club. One that will bring the Kiger horse into the next century, one that will be fair, honest, and unbiased to all Kiger owners, and to truly have a purpose to promote, protect, and preserve the Kiger horse to ensure that the Kiger horse does not fade into history because of problems that people have created. United we stand, divided we fall! Lets all unite together for the benefit of the Kiger horse, NOT the people!
Betty Linnell
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/18/2008 9:33 PM)
Well said Betty L. I have been to the State of Oregon and read all the complaints about KMA. The main reason that Oregon did not adopte the kiger for state horse or a licesne plate was the complaints about KMA. Untill KMA is disbaned the smell of fake kigers will be her for ever ever. So why should good honest people keep pushing a breed that is 33% fake. Let the low lifes and crooks have them. One think that make me sick is to see somebody like _______ say one kiger horse can be a great drassage, cow horse , indurance horse and go get the mail what a con and not even a good one. So right now this breed sucks.
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/18/2008 10:16 PM)
" One think that make me sick is to see somebody like _______ say one kiger horse can be a great drassage, cow horse , indurance horse and go get the mail what a con and not even a good one. So right now this breed sucks. "
Can't fill in the blank and don't want to fill in the blank! Rick, you're wrong!!!!! The breed DOES NOT suck... the PEOPLE SUCK!! The breed is there patiently waiting for the idiots to figure it out! Kiger Mustang/Kiger Horse, they have ALOT to offer the equine community besides color! Dun is icing on the cake, best of all worlds, blah, blah, blah. Dun got and gets them recognized! Performance will get them accepted. Without a unified registry it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify getting a good, well trained horse out into the public eye. While there are people out there doing things with their Kigers I am becoming more and more embarassed to point people to the internet. Without a registry to back these horses, sorry none of the registries withstand the test in my opinion, why would I send people to explore the absurd, unsubstanciated claims, horrible pictures, and general been there done nothing claims of this "Breed"?????? Unify with a Purpose, yes! Unify to defeat the Enemy, no!
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/19/2008 7:28 AM)
Karen's right, in a sense, although I would not necessarily say that the people suck, but you could come to that conclusion.
The two main registries that were in the forefront when I started in Kigers were the SMKR and the KMA.
SMKR I understood to only register horses that were adopted directly off the HMAs or their descendants. It had no criteria for conformation, color, or verifyable parentage (or whose horses they were). That seemed fine, unobjectionable to me. I think there is a need for a place for Kigers to be registered if people want to, where they don't have to meet someone's approval. It's good enough that they are Kigers. That is what gives a person a sense of happiness and excitement in being a Kiger owner.
The KMA had an inspection process and would put your horse in the breeding or non-breeding category, depending upon how it scored in the inspection. As long as the parents came from the HMAs or registered KMA horses. They had a requirement for DNA testing on breeding stock and subsequent testing on the foals, in order to verify parentage. That seemed fine and unobjectionable to me, too.
Given that basis, why couldn't people just accept that these are the focuses of the two registries, stop the registry bashing, and move on? So one has found horses, the other doesn't? Don't you think people can make decisions on their own whether that is a concern, without it being forced in their faces, like pushing a puppy's nose in the pile of doggie do?
What has made the difference to me from thinking neither of these registries was necessarily objectionable was when I discovered how much the people in office at these registries used those positions to promote only their own horses and the horses of their friends. It was not about the Kigers at all, that was just a pretense -- maybe an excuse to keep an association going so the clique that was currently in power could use it as their marketing and PR agency without having to spend and extra dime. And from my perspective, there is not a Kiger registry in existence that is not doing just that.
SMKR or whatever it is now, I don't think has any extra programs. If it would stick with a goal of registering the horses, as I understood it when I first started with this breed, instead of using it as a crusade to rule the Kiger world with one person's point of view, that would be good.
KMA, the association (as opposed to whatever group is in charge there at any given time) has a lot of potential to do a lot of good for promoting the Kigers. Not just promoting the KMA and its Board members, which seems to be its focus now.
So, I don't think any sort of merging of the registries is going to make a difference, other than create a bigger clash of the Titans, until people start putting the Kiger's interests ahead of their own.
Diane P.
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/19/2008 11:24 AM)
Hehe, KMA hasd come a long way since I offered them DNA proof of parentage and Manford refused to accept it! Anybody besides me ever feel like if you weren't part of the in-circle, then KMA was simply taking your membership and application money and then shooting you the finger?
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of Kigers owners would simply like timely and uncomplicated registration and an occasional event to attend. All the bells and whistles attached to a couple of these registries are just for show and the very thing that in the long run holds them back. Everytime we turn around there is something else to bicker about, some issue that nobody even thought of until a committee popped up.
Yep, it's has to do with the people, not so much the horses. Inspection process? Biggest joke around, I don't care which registry has one. You might just as well have your next-door neighbor inspect your horse, it's the same darned thing. Man, I'd be glad to have a registry that requires DNA parentage verification on captive-breds, so long as it cut out the other BS. Acknowledge inspection for the joke that it is and just not have it. Have the offspring of founds admitted, PROVIDED THEY EARN IT THROUGH MERIT. Don't penalize color. Strive for a six-week turnaround on registration and sponsor at least a handful of regional get-togethers. One that didn't have a committee for every single little thing. Oh, well, I am just wishing.
(Message edited by OkieKigers on 04/19/2008 11:30 AM)
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/19/2008 6:20 PM)
Well, I don't know about the "found horses accepted through merit" thing. I just thought that if a found horse could earn performance points under an ASHA judge (as opposed to earning color points via the friendly neighborhood inspector-man), it might be a reasonable compromise to all those involved with the issue. Of course, those folks with found horses that never broke them to ride would be SOL !
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/20/2008 8:40 PM)
That part of it was not so much a "wish" for me as it was a "concession".
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/29/2008 11:51 PM)
ok why can't kma just be disbanned by the state, I am for one regesteries, also I listen to all my friend Rick has said in the 2 years I have owned Kigers, and not one time has he changes his stand and the things he has stated. To me that speaks volumes.What else speaks volumes is he admitts to wrongs, and has done something in my opinion to correct them. I was raised that those who bellow and bad mouth, and not say who they are have something to hide. you know the saying "I think thou protest to much.". And i am not refering to Rick, but to those who have made things hard on him and this wonderful breed. Here is a question I asked a long time ago and no one ever answered it.so I will again: If found horses are not Kigers but sold as such is that not fraud?
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RE:KHAR/SMKR
(Date Posted:04/30/2008 8:51 AM)
The people are more FRAUD than the horses are. Melissa www.kigeranne.com
(Message edited by kigeranne on 04/30/2008 11:45 AM)
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