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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:08-03-2009 18:00:22)
The end of the fretboard on my '78 shows only a hint of a bevel, nothing like 45 degrees. Viewed side-on, it's almost a right-angle, nearly unnoticeable (sorry, no time for pics at the moment.
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:09-03-2009 16:26:33)
Just checked with the owner of a 1975 Flying V for sale on Ebay and his has the bevel just like my white V, so the theory holds true for eight out of eight of ghe V's from the mid-70's:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220373593751&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:15-03-2009 20:43:49)
Checked with two vintage guitar shops that are selling natural mahogany 1975 Flying V's on Gbase and they
both have the bevel just like my white V, so the theory holds true for 10
out of 10 the V's from the mid-70's.
Nobody else has a mid-70's V or wants to comment on Marc's theory?
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:15-03-2009 21:38:43)
Could you post a pic of this bevel? I'm not sure where your talking about. I have a 76 and a 71 Medallion, so I can check them, but I need to understand where your talking about. To post a pic, click on the "Post Reply" icon, the next page that comes up will have a little picture box next to a smilie face, click that, then put the url address in and it should work.
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:15-03-2009 22:09:27)
 Marc's 1975 Gibson Flying V with pronounced beveling of end of fingerboard (see circled area). My mid-70's Gibson Flying V with slight beveling of the end of
fingerboard compared to my red 1969 Gibson Flying V with no beveling at of end of fingerboard. Some mid-70's guitars have more pronounced beveling than others. 
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 11:54:23)
My 75 has a small bevel. My 76 is flat and straight but one corner is slightly sanded down.
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 11:55:40)
Funny you should mention this as it's never crossed my mind before but your 100% correct.. my medallion 132 is a 45% angle while my other 81 v's are rounded off...your 67 looks very like a medallion in the pic!!
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 11:56:32)
sorry it's 45 degree not % lol!!
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Reply To captainnemo
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 14:32:06)
Reply to captainnemo (16-03-2009 11:56:32)
sorry it's 45 degree not % lol!! I think you mean 90 degree, if it's a sharp corner...
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veeman
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 21:36:42)
My Medallion does not have any beveling. Nice n flat.
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bond_fan
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 21:53:31)
Well that seems to be 12 of 12 mid-70's V's have some beveling, some slighter than others, while the pre-71's don't have it so far.
Thanks for all your help!
Still have lots more to check!
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:16-03-2009 23:22:42)
I have a natural '75 that has a prominent bevel, but my white '75 was sanded just a shade, apparently only to round its edge. Conversely, all three of my Medallions have sharp edges, just like your '69. Looks like you guys got it right.
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SamVee
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:17-03-2009 01:01:22)
My pristine 75 white V does seem to have a sanding bevel after the last fret, the white finish comes up a bit on it.
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V-axe
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:17-03-2009 08:01:03)
Is the pickguard original on your guitar? It looks more like a 75 style guard than a 69 wich would be more rouned in the corners above the neck PU. The neck joint looks very different on your guitars. Can there be some information there to determine if it's a 69 or 75. How is the joint of the Medallions?
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:17-03-2009 17:12:46)
Well, that's 15 out of 15 mid-70's V's. It seems the natural mahogany V's have more of the beveling than the white ones exhibit. I wonder if it was harder to file or sand the end of the fingerboard, because of the paint, or perhaps one person worked on the painted ones and a different person on the natural ones?
Regarding the '69 V, I don't know if the pickguard is original, but the pots are dated to '75. I was unable to take the covers off the pickups, because they had some magnets attached to the back to make them hotter and some weird "goop" to glue down the magnets?
Since the majority of the early 70's V's have chrome parts and the '69 V has gold parts, it is my belief that the pickups and pots, maybe even the whole pickguard assembly was swapped out for '75 hardware and gold replacement hardware put on the guitar later.
According to Marc, "The heel shape and the size of the shelf (the flat area under the heel) is very
different from a 75 or even a Medallion, it resembles the 67 type (without being
quite the same). Then the step on the body where the neck heel joins is very
much 67, the Medallion is quite close. That is what leads me to think (Sic) Medallion
prototype."
In direct comparison to the mid-70's white V the the '69's fingerboard is not as high off the top of the body, because the neck is angled further away from the body. The fingerboard on the white V must be higher off the top of the body to allow room for the strings to have clearance over the pickups
So in our estimation this may have been the prototype for the Medallion model, because of the color, similar characteristics to the '71 Medallion and even the use of two logos on the headstock. It seems to be Gibson was trying different things out both cosmetically and structurally.
How could someone with more than one Medallion model not want to trade for this unique rare bird that in all likelihood was the precursor to the Medallion V?
I have acquired two '69 pots, a late 60's - early 70's "T" top pickup and a chrome late 60's - early 70's bridge in which to restore the hardware for this guitar to '69 specs.
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veeman
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Reply To bond%5Ffan
(Date Posted:17-03-2009 19:05:02)
Reply to bond_fan (17-03-2009 17:12:46)
How could someone with more than one Medallion model not want to trade for this unique rare bird that in all likelihood was the precursor to the Medallion V?
Probably because your not sure what you have, positively.
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:18-03-2009 01:51:59)
How could someone with more than one Medallion model not want to trade for this unique rare bird that in all likelihood was the precursor to the Medallion V?
I feel an obligation to respond to this question, considering that I'm squirming! Veeman has made a valid point, but the core of the matter is that these are my favorite guitars on Earth, so I don't wanna give them up. I think my fellow Medallion owners understand.
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:18-03-2009 11:47:51)
Back in the 80's I used to own two Medallion models and sole the extra to a friend in a rock band. This one had a headstock that was broken, but repaired. Later, I did a cash/trade deal for the other. I never felt the need to hoard.
Some people want to have many of the same thing even if it means others won't get the opportunity to have just one. I had a friend who used to collect Detroit Tigers game-used baseball equipment. Before he sold his collection he confided in me back in his serious collecting days it was not enough to have just one, he had to have them all and would buy stuff, so others couldn't have even if it meant paying a lot for the item.
Later he sold me a few pieces that I recognized from auctions where he had outbid me. He had four Alan Trammell game-used gloves to my none. He sold his collection before he died, but it was an interesting philosophy none-the-less, one that I never agreed on though.
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:18-03-2009 17:14:42)
"Hoarding" by definition is to stockpile items, usually hiding them for future use, keeping them away from others. When I bagged my third Medallion 15+ years ago, I didn't realize my behavior was so obsessive, or that I was playing keep-away. I'd better get some help!
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:29-03-2009 19:52:42)
Just noticed two mid-70's Gibson natural mahogany V's on Ebay that have the beveled end of the fingerboard, so that makes it 17 out of 17.
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:02-04-2009 08:22:42)
I happened to think about this thread last night when I was playing, so I took a look... My Medallion #229 does have a very slight bevel, but it's been refinished, so that might have affected it. My '75LE has NO bevel at all, it's a very sharp 90-degree angle, & the same thing w/ my '79 Silverburst. I didn't dig my '81 Silverburst out of the case, since that's not really the era in question...
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:02-04-2009 22:09:43)
Could you please supply photos of the top and side views of your '75 LE?
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:03-04-2009 00:29:46)
Same with my 76 LE. 90-degrees. One corner a tiny bit sanded or just damaged. It's really hard to notice at all.
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:02-07-2009 10:25:52)
So what the conclusion?
Natural V's up to 75 beveled after strait right angle?
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:20-07-2009 19:42:44)
The jury is still out on that, but I saw two more natural mahogany V's on Ebay and both of these have the bevel on the end of the fingerboard. One is from 1978 and the other from 1975.
It seems though that the natural mahogany V's have more of a pronounced bevel.
I think not enough non-natural mahogany V's have been sampled to make a definitive conclusion, but the signs are point to this being true as well.
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RE:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:12-10-2009 16:30:47)
Hi Bond-fan. I've been communicating with Marc this past week to determine the year of my V. There is very little that's original on it, but one of the pots seems to have a 1974 date on it which would be consistent with a 1975 model. While the end of the neck does not have a 45 degree bevel, it is definitely rounded down. Not straight at all. Hope this adds more fuel. John
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:12-10-2009 21:01:33)
Pictures Please. Welcome. What part of Illinois are you from?
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:13-10-2009 10:11:43)
I'm in the Chicago NW suburbs. How bout you? How do I add pics to the body of these messages? Thanks, John
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:13-10-2009 20:16:23)
Freeport, about 120 mile west of you, on I20.
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Re:Gibson Flying V's - Interesting Theory on Dating Mid-70's V's
(Date Posted:05-11-2009 20:33:27)
My 75 LE does not have an exact bevel, the corners are still square but it is the bevel. Like it was done by hand, the the only thing on the guitar that is not exact or tight.
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