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Title: Scandinavian Silverburst turns out to be American.
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(Date Posted:28-09-2007 18:42:19)
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First I'd like to excuse to all of you that I havent posted any photos until now. I am a newbie and I'm so very sorry.We've had some exchanges of opinion about the '70's silverburst. This one must be from the same shipment to Scandinavia in the late '70's as I've already seen one with different battlemarks 2 years ago. I look foreward to your comments.This photoseries is done today at the Vintage Show 2007, Svendborg, Denmark. Asking price Dkr. 30.000 / $5620 / ? 4020. Looked at the busy salesman thought something no so nice about him. Parked the guitar and started to photograph it. My 13 year old daughter said the salesman looked very nervous oberserving me doing that. Afterwards walked back to the stand where they had the only reverse V imported to Denmark and bought that for Dkr 9.500 / $ 1780.Is this paddle ugly?Is there someone out there who misses his silverburst?___________________________I play V's
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(Date Posted:28-09-2007 18:42:21)

First I'd like to excuse to all of you that I havent posted any photos until now. I am a newbie and I'm so very sorry.

We've had some exchanges of opinion about the '70's silverburst. This one must be from the same shipment to Scandinavia in the late '70's as I've already seen one with different battlemarks 2 years ago. I look foreward to your comments.

This photoseries is done today at the Vintage Show 2007, Svendborg, Denmark. Asking price Dkr. 30.000 / $5620 / ? 4020. Looked at the busy salesman thought something no so nice about him. Parked the guitar and started to photograph it. My 13 year old daughter said the salesman looked very nervous oberserving me doing that. Afterwards walked back to the stand where they had the only reverse V imported to Denmark and bought that for Dkr 9.500 / $ 1780.

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Is this paddle ugly?

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Is there someone out there who misses his silverburst?

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(Date Posted:28-09-2007 23:06:40)

very nice.

volute looks right, hard to tell from pictures, but neck shelf looks period correct.  tuners look right.  the knobs are wrong. (should be witch-hats).  it's a bit hard to tell from the pic, or my eyes are going, is the second digit of the year a 9 or 0?  either way could be a 79 or 80 which is also right.  A shame about that huge scar on the back lower wing, but at least it's on the back.  Also hard to tell from pictures, but I think I see a hint of silver showing on the sides of the body in the middle (also inside the crotch area) which is also correct

any evidence of a neck break?  $3800-$4000 would be the high-end for these as listed in the price-guide for 2007, but we are reaching the end of 2007, and they do seem to be appreciating quickly.  The question is, given it's markings, and the missing knobs, can this really be considered "minty" enough to warrent that price.  Of course, prices, given your local, sound like they are somewhat inflated if you paid $1700 for a Reverse V.  Also, as the dealer would no doubt tell you, if you can find another Silverburst Flying V for cheaper, you go ahead and buy that one.  Good Luck with that.

welcome to the reverse v world.  enjoy your oddity.  let me know what you think, add the comments to the review thread.  Does your volume knob work well?  is the string through doing the same thing?  so many questions... 

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(Date Posted:29-09-2007 00:04:16)

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very nice.volute looks right, hard to tell from pictures, but neck shelf looks period correct. tuners look right. the knobs are wrong. (should be witch-hats). it's a bit hard to tell from the pic, or my eyes are going, is the second digit of the year a 9 or 0? either way could be a 79 or 80 which is also right. A shame about that huge scar on the back lower wing, but at least it's on the back. Also hard to tell from pictures, but I think I see a hint of silver showing on the sides of the body in the middle (also inside the crotch area)which is also correctany evidence of a neck break? $3800-$4000 would be the high-end for these as listed in the price-guide for 2007, but we are reaching the end of 2007, and they do seem to be appreciating quickly. The question is, given it's markings, and the missing

No evidence of repairs. Fretboard in good condition. No serious fretwear. No signs of a fretjob. The 5th digit is 0. The intentional damage to the serial # is a lot younger than the damage to the lower wing. To me a guitar like that represent a value of $2500 - 3000 max. Scandinavian vintage prices are among the highest/worst in the world. Knowing what silverbursts go for in other parts of the world made me quite angry at the asking price.

 

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(Date Posted:29-09-2007 04:21:52)

I agree the asking price is too high, but I suspect that $2500-$3000 is too low, assuming the only thing not original on the instrument is the knobs. (Who knows about the pots and other electronics...would need to take off the pickguard, I'm pretty sure the vendor would not let you do that)

The 75-82 Mahogany series V's are getting expensive fast, and the custom colours, specifically the silverburst seem to be rocketing even faster.  I am very much looking forward to seeing the 2008 price guide entry to see if the jump from 2006 -> 2007 was a one time correction, or represents a trend (I believe I saw a jump of about 10% here)

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(Date Posted:29-09-2007 10:36:35)

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I agree the asking price is too high, but I suspect that $2500-$3000 is too low, assuming the only thing not original on the instrument is the knobs. (Who knows about the pots and other electronics...would need to take off the pickguard, I'm pretty sure the vendor would not let you do that)The 75-82 Mahogany series V's are getting expensive fast, and the custom colours, specifically the silverburst seem to be rocketing even faster. I am very much looking forward to seeing the 2008 price guide entry to see if the jump from 2006 -> 2007 was a one time correction, or represents a trend (I believe I saw a jump of about 10% here)

One of the others vendors at the Vintage Show said the price was way too high. He meant the realistic price should be around $3750 which also was more like what I expected. To me there's a huge difference between Battleworn and battlescarred. This one had serious scars. It was only after starting photographing the guitar I noticed the intentional damage to the serial. That makes the history questionable.

What really worries me is if someone out there is missing his guitar.

 

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(Date Posted:29-09-2007 18:51:03)

that would explain damage to seriel #'s

I have never seen a scratch like that over the #'s.  typically they only get damaged in refins (presumably not an issue here)

It would be a shame if this is (or was at some time) stolen.  The damage doesn't looks so recent that I'm thiknking it was stolen and marred in the last couple of weeks.

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(Date Posted:29-09-2007 20:32:03)

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that would explain damage to seriel #'sI have never seen a scratch like that over the #'s. typically they only get damaged in refins (presumably not an issue here)It would be a shame if this is (or was at some time) stolen. The damage doesn't looks so recent that I'm thiknking it was stolen and marred in the last couple of weeks.
The pictures are a bit darker than real life. The damage is a lot lighter than the damage to the fin and about 4 - 5 millimeters (1/16" inch?) deep. It loooked 2 years old at the most. In Denmark one can lay legal claim to stolen property until 5 years after the theft. And this babe could be coming from New York or France for that matter so is there anyone out there worldwide who misses his Silverburst?
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(Date Posted:29-09-2007 23:42:14)

it's a small group.

and I still have mine.

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(Date Posted:02-10-2007 08:42:53)

Hi to all - I've been a long time V fan and lurker for a bit, so I figured it was time to step up.

Just on the topic of silverbursts, the Custom Shop Silverburst Custom V is still available to order for the Japanese market, and Gibson are issuing a Silverburst 1984 V as part of their 'Guitar of the Week' series (as the week 40 release).

Here's the official pic for anybody that hasn't seen it yet. Silverbursts seem pretty popular so I guess it will sell out fast (as the SG did earlier this year).

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(Date Posted:03-10-2007 01:30:28)

Welcome to the Forum, Rob. Thanks for the update on the GOTW Silverburst V. I don't mind saying the first thing that came to mind when I saw the pic was: What kind of MORON would put the tone and volume pot's there?!?!? It looks totaly out of place. Even in 84, those V's look better with their out of place knobs look better than this. Well, the finish looks nice anyway.

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(Date Posted:03-10-2007 04:42:19)

thank you Rob, and indeed welcome.

interesting.  a GOTW take on the old no pickguard line in the beloved silverburst.  If I recall, that is not a standard layout for a no pickguard model, and it does look weird.  I'm glad to see more V's in the line.  This is not a bad attempt, but  I don't think I'll be feeling like I need one.  I am waiting to see if they do a Moderne reissue though,  now that, I'd have to have.

or a 67 with lonnie mack style bigsby. Mmmmmmm.  would have to sell some body parts to get one of those too.

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(Date Posted:03-10-2007 05:01:19)

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I am waiting to see if they do a Moderne reissue though, now that, I'd have to have.or a 67 with lonnie mack style bigsby. Mmmmmmm. would have to sell some body parts to get one of those too.

No Modernes or Lonnie Macks in the pipe for the GOW series -  at least not up to week 48. The RD Artist is being reissued in a silverburst finish without active electronics, but that's the only guitar in the lineup that looks a bit off the wall. Here's a pic of the forthcoming entries: (I'm kinda partial to the Explorer with vibrola I must say)

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(Date Posted:03-10-2007 05:54:18)

OMG a silverburst RD?

wow.  that's pretty cool.  I'm more and more happy I bought the RD standard when I came across it.  seems to have some interest in it.  would be cool to have one in a cool colour with a normal pickup set, but part of it's appeal is that with the Moog active filters, it sounds like an angry tele.  I can now play a gig with some Fenderish tones using a Gibson.  and that makes me smile.

the Explorer with short vibrola is cool.  still not going to break the bank for that.

Moderne!  MODERNE!

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(Date Posted:03-10-2007 06:20:05)

Yea, that RD does looks cool. Were do you find this info?
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(Date Posted:04-10-2007 03:37:25)

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Yea, that RD does looks cool. Were do you find this info?
All the info is from the official Gibson website, veeman. One of the links to 'Guitar of the Week' shows them all up to week 48.
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(Date Posted:04-10-2007 05:38:38)

I've looked a bit closer into this.  It's an RD in only the faintest sense.

mine is a custom, not a standard.  The original RD's had a 25 1/2" scale.  this is like a normal gibson.

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(Date Posted:04-10-2007 06:14:10)

Didn't some of the old original RD's have like Firebird headstocks?
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(Date Posted:04-10-2007 19:58:47)

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Didn't some of the old original RD's have like Firebird headstocks?

not that I'm aware of, however, I did read once that some unused RD bodies were repurposed as Firebirds after the RD was discontinued.  probably would have been around 82/83ish.  I believe the standard and custom RD's were discontinued in 79, but the artist model was made up to this point.

odd, as they are not really the same, but I guess this is probably indicative of Norlin era thinking

I could be wrong and/or misinformed.

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I'm pretty sure Brett Hinds from Mastodon had his original Silverburst Flying V stolen on a European tour. This may be it...
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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst
(Date Posted:29-01-2008 13:18:35)

Morten has posted this guitar on another forum, where I am also a user (Loomer på gearfreak :p )

This also looks VERY suspicious to me, especially considering Morten's comment about the seller looking uncomfortable.

I am a very, very big fan of Mastodon, and Brent Hinds in general. It bothers me that I wasn't present at the 07 vintage show, since I would most certainly have noticed this instantaneously, and started an investigation then and there.

Stealing people's guitars, ESPECIALLY their main squeeze is absolutely unforgivable. I hope we get to the bottom of this.
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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst
(Date Posted:29-01-2008 13:19:51)

Oh, as I  actually intended on saying.

The guitar was stolen at their gig in 03, in the city of Odense, according to my research. I'll dig up some more info ASAP.
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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst
(Date Posted:29-01-2008 15:15:36)

Hi Loomer! you should come around here more often!

The pictures have ben mailed to the Mastodon Management. Hope they'll pass them on to Brent Hinds so we hopefully can get to the bottom of this.

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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst
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 Wow! If Brett gets his original Silverburst back, that would be amazing. He's often said that V was his favourite, and even his new Custom Silverburst isn't as good. Hope it all works out for the best. Great work, guys.
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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst
(Date Posted:05-03-2008 11:28:22)

Yesterday, the Danish Police took the aforementioned Gibson Silverburst Flying V stolen 02/04-2003-0209 in Odense, DK into custody.
As a case is automatically closed after 5 years if nothing new happens so it was a cloce call!
The local police is 4 months behind schedule. Therefore it is only fitting to say a big heartfelt thanks to the officer who went out of his way to secure the guitar in only 5 weeks and 3 days. Thank you! You know who you are!

This guitar belong to Brent Hinds of the band Mastodon, Atanta, Georgia, USA and will be returned to him in due time as such.

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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst turns out to be American.
(Date Posted:05-03-2008 18:29:24)

Well that's great to hear, and congrats to everybody involved. The brotherhood of the silverburst looks after their own, eh? ;)

I hope Mr. Hinds is suitably impressed by how some people have really gone out of their way to help get the guitar back to him.

This whole thing kind of restores your faith in human nature a bit :)
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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst turns out to be American.
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 Wow! When I posted that i THOUGHT it was probably Brent Hinds Flying V, I never dreamed that he'd actually get it back some day. Fantastic work, Mortenpmb! I'm super happy now. You've made my day.
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This guitar belong to Brent Hinds of the band Mastodon, Atanta, Georgia, USA and will be returned to him in due time as such.

Mastodon and their Silverburst obsession is really what got me into my fondness for the silverburst legacy... I am very happy to see such a cool story unfold on this forum!  Who ever thought that a bunch of folks around the globe with nothing better to do than type away about Flying V's could actually make such an impact. 
Well, as jaded as I am (or is it jealous?) I will remain tuned in to the forum!


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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst turns out to be American.
(Date Posted:21-11-2008 18:22:00)

About 14 months since this thread started. With hindsight, basically I've asked myself and from others why am I doing this. On my way home in the car from the Vintage Show my daughter says ' there's some fishy about that guitar'. 'Yes' I say. And then it comes: 'So what are you gonna do about that!!!?'.

Loomer was so kind as to provide the information about string gauge and tuning. 0.10 - 0.52. d tuning. I found it wisest to leave the adjustment to Mr. Knud Damgaard the sales representative of Fender Scandinavia in DK.

 
Cleaning the 'cheese off the fretboard with some steel wool. Brushing the dust leftovers away before giving it some oil + the works truss rod and so on.

Playing it hard and through for 5 minutes to get the strings in place. Then I had a go at it. At first couldn't believe it was a tone down. Now that's what I call a setup! A solid player.


Knud says after inspection of the serial that it is 71719020.



We were invited in pr e-mail.
Handover snapshot.

Loomer, Brent Hinds of Mastodon and I. Knud held the camera. Location is Valby Hallen, Copenhagen, DK. The Unholy Alliance Tour w/Slayer and Trivium.

A Happy man.


.... and then. Well, that look says it all. Notice the speed.

The setup, tuning and choice of strings was perfect so Brent immediately took it to the stage for testing. 30 minutes to silence and opening of the doors to the public. To me it was a privilege to stand there next to him and watch absolute international class and originality. This man is a true musician at heart. Trust me, HE IS REALLY GOOD.

Brent Hinds plays in 3 different tunings.

When the turn came to D he played his '79 Silverburst in front of an audience for the first time in 5 years.

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Re:Scandinavian Silverburst turns out to be American.
(Date Posted:21-11-2008 20:07:29)

absolutely freaking awesome!
there is hope for those of us that have been unlucky enought to have had gear stolen.

I believe Mr Hinds is probably currently the most famous advocate of the Silverburst V.
I remember reading a Guitar Player article about him where he spoke of the Silverburst.  it's because of that that I knew when one came up at my local shop that it was a significan instrument (and that I must have it)
and by transitive property Morten, it's kind of why you have one as well.

I cant believe you got to meet him.
sweet!
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RE:Scandinavian Silverburst turns out to be American.
(Date Posted:22-11-2008 05:44:15)

You're quite right about that. If it wasn't for you I'd probably have one in another colour.

As the advocate of the Silverburst Flying V Brent now has one again. His stage antics have broken the others + his special made CS! But Mastodon's custom made First Act guitars are silverburst.
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