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cuthbert1978
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RE:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:06-11-2008 15:27:40)
It seems that nobody liked my review...
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veeman
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RE:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:06-11-2008 18:34:39)
It's a tad long-winded.
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V-axe
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RE:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 00:45:04)
I liked your review a lot. Didn´t look twice on the s-burst reissue when it came out but after your and Mortens review I´ve been thinking of getting one. Big problem for me is the knob position wich I think I can never accept. Raised frets are cool but I already have jumbo frets on my 76. I would have liked this reissue with Kahler. Could have been a reason for me to get one.
Keep on posting! (I like long winding reviews and posts..)
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Mortenpmb
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RE:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 06:15:49)
Your review's a very lengthy one so it's pretty hard to know where to start or end the comments.
Great work. It must've taken hours to write. Language is a funny thing:"I will repeat some of Morten's observations of course, while I'll criticize others." As read, you've made some new observations. Good to get the Italianangle.
And now it has V-AXE interested (@:There's one hangin' at Woodstock, Aarhus, DK that's in the vicinity. Asking about DKK 10K. If you want to haggle then ask for Frank. He's the one in charge and reasonable).
Malmsteen has a V in his arsenal. There are others out there who might not be a part of the media circus (although not so known) who express themselves fine with a Flying V. Hows about Brent Hinds of Mastodon for starters.
I like the white nut that visually signals the end of the fret board instead of 'nothing'. A matter of taste of course.
Your observations on the finish is nothing special for this model in particular but rather a more general problem with Gibson. Headshaking, and I'm gonna pass every time I see this again I might add.
"The sound of the 496/500 combo is very well known, and even in this case, it is confirmed: high output (probably higher than a Bill Lawrence L-500R/XL combo), LOW definition and the tendency of being muddy when more than a note is played. This is expecially true in the lower register of the instrument, the highs are not predominant and they work well with soloing, less with chords and in general in the situations where clarity is required. Better sound with distortion than on a clean channel, a environment where these ceramics don't perform very well. With a good valve amp, on the other side, they can offer a good early '80s distortion, but they aren't suiited for trash metal for heavier genres."
Hmm. I find the pu's muddy too. And go for some more clear sounding ones with a different output campared to your choice to the solution of the 'problem'. Apart from some deliberations on getting a set of Icebuckers Antiquities are the only that works if change need be.
But as other players put an all original Flying V to good use I'm well aware that my changing the pu's could have something to with my playing technique and compensation for there of, he he.
Question remains whether if putting the combo through some sort of modelling amp makes a difference? Could be.
As for the setup I recommend rasing them strings a bit and tighten the truss a bit for sqealin' out them big long strong notes á la Lynyrd Skynyrd and Molly Hatchet:)
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cuthbert1978
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Reply To veeman
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 08:17:09)
Reply to veeman (06-11-2008 18:34:39)
It's a tad long-winded. Mmm...yes!Is that SO bad? :P
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cuthbert1978
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Reply To V%2Daxe
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 08:29:34)
Reply to V-axe (07-11-2008 00:45:04)
I liked your review a lot. Didn´t look twice on the s-burst reissue when it came out but after your and Mortens review I´ve been thinking of getting one. Big problem for me is the knob position wich I think I can never accept. Raised frets are cool but I already have jumbo frets on my 76. I would have liked this reissue with Kahler. Could have been a reason for me to get one.
Keep on posting! (I like long winding reviews and posts..) For the knobs, I think that the arrangment of the Robot and the Shred with tone and volume in line is better, you can swap the position of the jack and the tone knob like these two 2008 models, they're routed exactly the same, but you will need to use a longer cable between the volume and the tone: they're linked by a yellow one that is too short for few mm, I already tried the operation home. Probably when I'm going to change the pickups I'm going to perform the operation, the look will improve a lot IMO. No way to get the "real" '84 layout unless you find a backplate of these year, the one used here resembles it but it's too short and in the cavity anyway there's no space for the third knob, but if you wire the pickup with master volumes you can get rid of the switch and replace it with the additional pot. I also thought about routing the kahler, the operation wouldn't be difficult but theoretically this is a limited edition therefore his future value may be affected by modifications that cannot be reverted. You can get the 2008 Shred, which is exactly the same guitar with the kahler and the EMGs, personally I'd liked more this one with a kahler because I'm bored of these all black death metal guitars, the chrome hardware with sivlerburst finish is much more unusual, plus the EMGs tend to sound the same on every guitar I played and I'm not too excited.
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cuthbert1978
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Reply To Mortenpmb
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 08:55:34)
Reply to Mortenpmb (07-11-2008 06:15:49)
Your review's a very lengthy one so it's pretty hard to know where to start or end the comments.
Great work. It must've taken hours to write. Language is a funny thing:"I will repeat some of Morten's observations of course, while I'll criticize others." As read, you've made some new observations. Good to get the Italianangle.
And now it has V-AXE interested (@:There's one hangin' at Woodstock, Aarhus, DK that's in the vicinity. Asking about DKK 10K. If you want to haggle then ask for Frank. He's the one in charge and reasonable).
Malmsteen has a V in his arsenal. There are others out there who might not be a part of the media circus (although not so known) who express themselves fine with a Flying V. Hows about Brent Hinds of Mastodon for starters.
I like the white nut that visually signals the end of the fret board instead of 'nothing'. A matter of taste of course.
Your observations on the finish is nothing special for this model in particular but rather a more general problem with Gibson. Headshaking, and I'm gonna pass every time I see this again I might add.
"The sound of the 496/500 combo is very well known, and even in this case, it is confirmed: high output (probably higher than a Bill Lawrence L-500R/XL combo), LOW definition and the tendency of being muddy when more than a note is played. This is expecially true in the lower register of the instrument, the highs are not predominant and they work well with soloing, less with chords and in general in the situations where clarity is required. Better sound with distortion than on a clean channel, a environment where these ceramics don't perform very well. With a good valve amp, on the other side, they can offer a good early '80s distortion, but they aren't suiited for trash metal for heavier genres."
Hmm. I find the pu's muddy too. And go for some more clear sounding ones with a different output campared to your choice to the solution of the 'problem'. Apart from some deliberations on getting a set of Icebuckers Antiquities are the only that works if change need be.
But as other players put an all original Flying V to good use I'm well aware that my changing the pu's could have something to with my playing technique and compensation for there of, he he.
Question remains whether if putting the combo through some sort of modelling amp makes a difference? Could be.
As for the setup I recommend rasing them strings a bit and tighten the truss a bit for sqealin' out them big long strong notes á la Lynyrd Skynyrd and Molly Hatchet:) 1)In my defense I can say that I wrote this review in 20 minutes, in a evening I was bored, while I was watching the extended cut of Terminator 2, drinking a beer, and naturally with the V on my knee (actually i was more focused in learning the main main theme of that movie, it's real fun to play), therefore I hope you may excuse some errors of language... 2)For V axe, if he wants there's the other one the shop had, the one with the darker burst. 899 euros, both guitars have been on the shelf of almost one year, definitely they weren't a hit. 3)Malmy has got a lovely ex white '80 V with scalloped fingerboard, three Dimarzio HS-3 with modified pickguard, and vintage Strat style bridge...I love that axe! A pity that he doesn't use it anymore live. 4)Personally I like more the black graphite nut of my Ovation BCS, it's very classy!And I follow my touch and ear, I usually don't look at the dots while I'm playing.... 5)Yes for a relatively cheap guitar it's acceptable, and these GOWs seemed to be produced in a rush, can't blame them, but I've seen worse on high priced guitars, and it's a pity. BTW, even the weight of the guitar is relatively high, 3.5 kg...I recall that the '67 reissues of the 90s were made of much lighter mahogany...mah! 6)For the PUs, I've a pair of samples of the intro of Don't cry played with this guitar and my BC Rich Bich with the L-500s, the difference is huge, and not at the favour of the V. These PUs works well for lead work, when you're playing just one note per time, but not for chords, and it is more noticeable with a clean sound. At the beginning the guitar sounded pretty bad, then I lowered them and now it's OK, but still I miss the clarity of a L-500 or maybe a Iommi, let's see what I can find in a short lead time.n For the amp modeling, I'm against this stuff, a good guitar should play fine when it's plugged directly in a warm one channel valve amp, in my case the AC-30, if not, there's a problem.
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jeffwith1f
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RE:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 19:25:42)
I read it, I liked it. as for too wordy, heck, my reviews are too wordy as well.
I particularly liked your observation that the weird layout on this model has been incorperated into the Robot V (and shred V) I had not quite peiced that together yet, but now that you mention it.
I think it looks odd. it is the primary fault of that layout in my opinion. well done.
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veeman
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RE:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:07-11-2008 23:01:56)
No offence meant, I just tend to lose interest after a few sentences is all, then I forget what I read.
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cuthbert1978
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Reply To jeffwith1f
(Date Posted:01-12-2008 15:16:03)
Reply to jeffwith1f (07-11-2008 19:25:42) I read it, I liked it. as for too wordy, heck, my reviews are too wordy as well.
I particularly liked your observation that the weird layout on this model has been incorperated into the Robot V (and shred V) I had not quite peiced that together yet, but now that you mention it.
I think it looks odd. it is the primary fault of that layout in my opinion. well done. Ok I worked a little bit on the guitar in order to "improve" that flaw, placing the tone knobs in the same position as the Robot and the Shred, it's a simple modification, you just have to unsolder a cable and swap the jack output and the tone knob, and it's done. [URL=http://imageshack.us]  [/URL] I think it's MUCH, MUCH better now. Incidentally, on ebay.de I found a pair of OBL (Bill Lawrence pickups made in the '80 in West Germany) and I bought them, unfortunately they were very old, the plastic they are made is quite brittle and the installation wasn't painless, but now the guitar has much more clarity and the clean sound is very glassy and transparent...
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jeffwith1f
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Re:'07 Silverburst '84 reissue. A Review
(Date Posted:01-12-2008 19:42:04)
that is better.
although it appears to be a bit close to the lower wing edge for my likeing, but hey, can't be choosers. good mod.
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