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(Date Posted:01/11/2007 8:23 AM)
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Okay this is just a question that I have. Some breeders/owners give their puppies their own shots. Is this a safe thing todo? Shouldn't the puppies get check ups when it is time for the shots? I
HI Julie,
You are absolutely right but there may be a couple of things you don't realize. The vet usually sees the puppies on Day3 to dock the tails. That's his first "gander" at them normally, tho if a breeder suspects there is a problem puppy before that of course we can call or go in. Some vets still like to give the dam a "clean out shot" but I think that is a dying practice. My current vet doesn't do that. Karen, does yours?
Then, when it's time to actually begin the shots (never before six weeks and all the new research shows that the longer you wait the better - I begin at 8 or 9 weeks but try to wait til 9) the vet should give the first series. It is also at this first shot series that the pups get their first REALLY complete puppy check up.
Then after that some breeders may take over shots except rabies (which must be certified by the vet). I tried giving shots to a couple of litters but quit after one pup had a reaction. At least if a pup has a reaction you might be lucky enough to still be in or near the vet's clinic and you can rush right back.
Basically, yes you are right. A vet should give the shots.
Tania
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(Date Posted:01/11/2007 6:09 PM)
I generally only get an oxytocin shot if I have any unaccounted for placentas. I have heard (maybe read somewhere) that this is not necessary, but I get too nervous about those things sitting in there and maybe fermenting. This shot must be given within 24 hours of whelping or it is not effective; it also will not work if the bitch's calcium level has dropped too much.
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(Date Posted:01/11/2007 10:39 PM)
Thank you Tania for the reply. I didn't know if I asked the wrong question or not...... some people get a little upset. I have read a few message boards, however this is the only one I signed up for. No one seems to get upset or mean with you when you ask something. That is AWESOME.
Anyway, if you ask the vet or breeder to hold off until 8 or 9 weeks for the shots, how can you start puppy training for outside? I had spoke with a trainer and he informed me that dogs can not be trained until they are 6 months old. I find this hard to believe, I know if you are consistent with a puppy you can do it before. Maybe with a few mistakes until they are able to hold their bladder more. Anyway back to the question, if you hold off that long, couldn't they get sick or something. If research is proving that 8 or 9 weeks is better I would go with that, but how would training work with this? I know this is sorta off topic, but it seems to go with the shot question. I have always been told, never put the puppy on the ground until it has had atleast two sets of shots, but try shooting for the third set, then do it.
Julie
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(Date Posted:01/12/2007 1:45 AM)
Hello, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but make sure that your vet is aware of the reactions schnauzers have to the lepto portion of the shots that some vets give. (it comes in a dose that is mixed with other shots, it's the L in many shots concotions). Other dog breeds seem to do fine with it, but schnauzers seem to react differently to it and my vet won't even give it to my schnauzers. Just a word for the wise, when you are ready to go to the vet. Better safe than sorry.
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(Date Posted:01/12/2007 3:08 AM)
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Hello, I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but make sure that your vet is aware of the reactions schnauzers have to the lepto portion of the shots that some vets give. (it comes in a dose that is mixed with other shots, it's the L in many shots concotions). Other dog breeds seem to do fine with it, but schnauzers seem to react differently to it and my vet won't even give it to my schnauzers. Just a word for the wise, when you are ready to go to the vet. Better safe than sorry.
Dawn,
This is one of our #1 recommendations on this forum and I believe it is also stated in the VACCINATIONS FAQ's - which EVERYONE should read through if they haven't.
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Tania
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(Date Posted:01/12/2007 3:23 AM)
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Thank you Tania for the reply. I didn't know if I asked the wrong question or not...... some people get a little upset. I have read a few message boards, however this is the only one I signed up for. No one seems to get upset or mean with you when you ask something. That is AWESOME.Anyway, if you ask the vet or breeder to hold off until 8 or 9 weeks for the shots, how can you start puppy training for outside? I had spoke with a trainer and he informed me that dogs can not be trained until they are 6 months old. I find this hard to believe, I know if you are consistent with a puppy you can do it before. Maybe with a few mistakes until they are able to hold their bladder more. Anyway back to the question, if you hold off that long, couldn't they get sick or something. If research is proving that 8 or 9 weeks is better I would go with that, but how
Hi Julie - I'm glad you find the forum helpful. We try not to be "mean".....LOL Sometimes both Karen and I are "muttering" under our collective breath but we try very hard to make the forum a helpful place with a good attitude toward those who are willing to follow our rules.
I know that vaccination issues can be confusing at times. I'm thinking that your breeder probably meant that you shouldn't take your puppy to training classes until about six months. That is the general policy of most training classes anyway. However, that does not preclude your starting some basic training at home -particularly potty training, basic "No" or "Leave it", "Come", "Sit" etc. Some of these need the maturity of the puppy for it to be able to perform; however, others you can begin with right away in a very gentle manner
You can take your pup in your own back yard as long as there aren't a lot of other critters that run around there (meaning stray cats or dogs mostly).
Remember that puppies normally are born with a certain amount of "protection" from diseases passed from the mother's own immunity. We are not sure when this actually stops protecting. It could be as early as 8 weeks or as late as 16 weeks....and that, my friend, is the reason for more than one set of puppy shots. It's not because they NEED 3 sets - it's because we are trying to be sure we give one set when the dam's immunity has stopped. Any given prior to her immunity "running out" on the pups will most likely NOT be effective.
There are some researchers/practitioners now saying that one set of shots given after 16 weeks, and then the booster shot at one year of age - is sufficient.
So your pup is not without protection - If the dam's immunity was there, then he's ok to about 8 weeks.
The biggest place I have fear of taking my new puppies is the vet's office! I never put any pup or any older sick dog down on the floor at the vet's. Sometimes I won't put them on the examining table if it looks dirty or if I don't see them clean it. It's a precaution I take. Somebody here said that they will clean the table themselves regardless. That might be even better.
If the truth be known, WE ourselves carry potential "germs" into these puppies every day from wherever we have been - work, school, park, etc. Some of the viruses, etc. are airborne and the wind can blow them. Some "attach" to your clothing or shoes. Of course if you walk in urine or feces that is infected and you track it into your home that can be dangerous. When I have pre-vaccination pups at home I keep a spray bottle of water/liquid bleach outside the door to spray the bottoms of my shoes before I go in the house every time. And I do this with visitors too....especially up to six weeks of age.
Kept in your own back yard, your puppies may acquire some natural immunity (which is good) just by being outdoors. But don't take them to the park or to your kids' school or to PetSmart until after the first set of shots. Just my personal rule of thumb. And your own rule "don't put the puppy on the ground until after two sets" is probably a good one too for times when it is away from the house.
Good luck,
Tania
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(Date Posted:01/12/2007 8:44 PM)
Yes, Julie, you are confusing the "six month's training" for obedience with housebreaking.... not at all the same thing. The reason some obedience facilities say six months is because their training methods are too harsh for young puppies. Always go and observe before committing to any obedience facility to make sure that you agree with their methodology. Schnauzers do much better with motivational training than correctional, for the most part, and many facilities now offer puppy socialization/training classes. The important thing is to take the puppy to classes for several months rather than just to one set of classes. It takes five weeks of repetition for a dog to commit something from short term into long term memory, although I have seen decided improvements on this using clicker training. Schnauzers can learn exceedingly fast if they think it is to their advantage<GGGG>
Also puppies have adult brain waves at 40 days of age (seven weeks), and their brains are like little sponges soaking everything up between seven and twelve weeks of age.... both good AND bad. It is much easier to shape good habits than it is to correct bad ones! Although those first few weeks you will find yourself saying "no" more than anything<G>.... you will have to hunt for things to praise the puppy for<GGG>
As to housebreaking, I start taking my puppies outside when they are five weeks old, weather permitting. That is when they start trying to be "clean" and wanting to eliminate away from their general area. My attitude is that if I am going to have any problems it will happen no matter what I do, although I am obviously cautious as to where my puppies go. I don't take them away from home until they have had their first shot.
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