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(Date Posted:11/12/2003 1:43 AM)
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In the distant past I have seen various lists discuss alternatives to the use of Elizabethan collars; some kind of foam "donut" collar, I believe, and something else. Can anybody direct me to a site that might carry such a thing?Thanks so much,Tania
I am not a fan of the Elizabethan collars and have not heard of the donut collar. What I used, and it worked great, was a paper plate. You just cut a hole in the middle large enough for the pups neck. Then you make a cut from the middle to the edge of the plate. You can use duct tape to cover the edges of the cut opening. Slip the collar around the neck and staple the slit. Make sure you use the duct tape to cover the staples. You can make several of these at a time in case you need to change it. The plate is cheep and works great. What I found with the Elizabethan collar was that it kept touching the tip of the ears and bending them.
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(Date Posted:11/12/2003 6:04 AM)
Oops. Sorry about that. My first post-- and kind of got carried away.
Have never used a collar of any kind post ear cropping. Seems to me they would be more of a pain in the butt than they're worth. They scratch a couple of times and decide it's not worth it. Haven't had any problems so far and have cropped about 30 puppies.
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(Date Posted:11/12/2003 7:37 AM)
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Have never used a collar of any kind post ear cropping. Seems to me they would be more of a pain in the butt than they're worth. They scratch a couple of times and decide it's not worth it
Hi gramma - Yep the paperplate trick is my old "stand-by" too - but it doesn't always work. I've had puppies that could somehow get a paw around it and continue to scratch tender ears. Or, they have refused to lay down because the thing was too bulky. Some pups handle it fine, but I just want an alternative for those that do not.
Tania
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(Date Posted:11/12/2003 8:21 PM)
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Yep the paperplate trick is my old "stand-by" too - but it doesn't always work. I've had puppies that could somehow get a paw around it and continue to scratch tender ears. Or, they have refused to lay down because the thing was too bulky. Some pups handle it fine, but I just want an alternative for those that do not.Tania
My favorite ear cropper always glued the ears to foam rubber blocks which were glued to the top of the puppies' heads as soon as she finished cropping. There was very little scratching, and if they did, they usually got the blocks instead of the ears, and those blocks were great protection against accidental bumps as the puppies raced around. If a puppy bothered the ears too much (particularly on the larger breeds), the ears and "block" were covered with a heavy athletic sock which was then tied under the puppy's throat.
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(Date Posted:11/13/2003 2:57 AM)
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...always glued the ears to foam rubber blocks which were glued to the top of the puppies' heads as soon as she finished cropping. ...
Great idea, Karen! Where does one find foam rubber blocks? The kind that would be used to stuff cushions, pillows, etc.?
Thanks,
Tania
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(Date Posted:11/13/2003 3:39 AM)
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Where does one find foam rubber blocks? The kind that would be used to stuff cushions, pillows, etc.?Thanks,Tania
Yes, exactly.... the denser foam. It can be found at most any craft store or large fabric store, and can be cut easily with a large serrated knife.
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(Date Posted:11/13/2003 3:57 AM)
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Yes, exactly.... the denser foam. It can be found at most any craft store or large fabric store, and can be cut easily with a large serrated knife.
I did find a photo of this on the 'net, but it does look a bit strange.... looks like they misjudged the length of the ears or something and had to glue an extra piece onto the foam block. The block is generally just one piece, slightly longer than the finished ear, and wide enough so that it fits well between the ears so that they will stand straight up when glued.
Ear crop with foam block
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(Date Posted:11/28/2003 7:37 AM)
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Reply to : MsBritmorYes, exactly.... the denser foam. It can be found at most any craft store or large fabric store, and can be cut easily with a large serrated knife.I did find a photo of this on the 'net, but it does look a bit strange.... looks like they misjudged the length of the ears or something and had to glue an extra piece onto the foam block. The block is generally just one piece, slightly longer than the finished ear, and wide enough so that it fits well between the ears so that they will stand straight up when glued.Ear crop with foam block
Hi! I am a new owner. I have a 8 week old female black and silver names fancy. She is beautiful and already crate and house trained. I have a question about ear cropping. When do you have it done, what is the cost usually and how long does it take to heal? I think her ears are cute like they are!
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(Date Posted:11/28/2003 5:30 PM)
Hi blkslvrmom! Welcome to Simply Schnauzers forum!
It's difficult to tell you how much it costs because it varies from region to region and by individual cropper. I pay $125 per dog to a long-experienced ear-cropping vet in LA.
Also, the healing time depends on the method used to crop the ears. My vet's procedure uses a number of stitches down the cut side of the ear, and that must scab over and heal - usually about two weeks(?). Caring for a puppy with newly cropped ears is not always fun. The ears can swell and be painful in the first few days, causing the pup to scratch the ears or rub against things - and these actions may cause the stitches to come out. I have twice had to have puppies ears' restitched for this reason. That's why some must wear the Elizabethan collar I was asking about in this thread.
There are other methods that I have been hearing about that require fewer stitches and have a shorter healing time. Just be sure you use a trained veterinarian who will have the necessary equipment and backup if anything goes wrong with the anesthesia, etc.
There is no reason that you must have it done if you do not intend to show. I do not crop my puppies' ears unless the buyers ask for it. I always crop my own puppies I intend to keep for showing. However, most of my dogs have excellent ear sets and their natural ears look fine. Some uncropped ears with poor sets or weak cartilege may stand up like "bat ears" (or worse) and most people do not enjoy this look.
If you DO intend to show, it IS possible to be successful with a natural earred dog in this country, but it may take longer to attain the championship. In fact, we are seeing more natural earred dogs in the conformation ring now. However, due to the fact that American breeders have not usually bred for ear set, it is difficult to come up with a pup that has the pair of natural ears you would need to win in the ring. Hopefully you bought your puppy from an experienced breeder with good lines that produce acceptable natural ears.
If you do NOT crop, be sure that you (or your groomer) regularly cleans out the ear hair. Failure to do so can lead to infections.
Good luck with your puppy!
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(Date Posted:11/28/2003 11:05 PM)
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I have a question about ear cropping. When do you have it done, what is the cost usually and how long does it take to heal? I think her ears are cute like they are!
First of all, it is the BREEDER'S responsibility to crop the ears, not the buyer. Price and time of cropping is dependent on who does the cropping, but it is done between 8-16 weeks of age. (Puppymillers whack the ears off at 3 days of age, which makes for really butchered ears as it is IMPOSSIBLE to put a nice ear on at that age!) Ears usually take at least a week to heal, but they often must be worked with for much longer to get them to stand properly.
If you are happy with your puppy's ears, then don't worry about it. She is probably happier with them, too*G*
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(Date Posted:11/30/2003 7:32 AM)
My puppy is four months old and her ears AND tail are natural ! I completely understand why most owners dock their pups but I love her ears and tail just like they are ! The ears are cute and her tail expresses happiness not easily detected by her other body language.
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My puppy is four months old and her ears AND tail are natural ! I completely understand why most owners dock their pups but I love her ears and tail just like they are ! The ears are cute and her tail expresses happiness not easily detected by her other body language.
While I love good natural ears, it is extremely difficult for me to get around undocked tails. I groomed a couple several years ago when I worked in a grooming shop, and even after all this time, they still turn me off. I prefer the straighter tails to the curved ones, and since a couple of my dogs have gone to Europe, I find it interesting that the male produced tails which curved over the back, while the bitch produced straighter tails, and both of these dogs were closely related.
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(Date Posted:01/12/2004 8:47 AM)
hi all,
my puppy did not come with cropped ears but its tail had been docked...after my puppy's 1st grooming, i realised that there was a pimple like thing at the tip of his tail and when i asked my vet about the pimple, she said that it could be due to bad docking... i know that it has got nothing to do with skin problem because it's not red and my dog dosen't feel irritated...the pimple makes his tail look wierd but unique as well...
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hi all, my puppy did not come with cropped ears but its tail had been docked...after my puppy's 1st grooming, i realised that there was a pimple like thing at the tip of his tail and when i asked my vet about the pimple, she said that it could be due to bad docking... i know that it has got nothing to do with skin problem because it's not red and my dog dosen't feel irritated...the pimple makes his tail look wierd but unique as well...
This sounds simply like scar tissue to me.
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(Date Posted:07/17/2004 4:05 AM)
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Reply to : schnauzer_elvishi all, my puppy did not come with cropped ears but its tail had been docked...after my puppy's 1st grooming, i realised that there was a pimple like thing at the tip of his tail and when i asked my vet about the pimple, she said that it could be due to bad docking... i know that it has got nothing to do with skin problem because it's not red and my dog dosen't feel irritated...the pimple makes his tail look wierd but unique as well...This sounds simply like scar tissue to me.
My question about the ears ... The other day I went out and got the powder to put in Jake ears and used tweezers to pull the hair out and was alot of hair too. Since I have done today he was scratching his ear and the wax coming out of his ears is unbelievable. So, I put in the ear cleaner stuff and keep on cleaning them out. I'm I doing the right thing so far or should I be concerned about ear mites again like it was when I got him from the shelter a month ago ? I just got the powder to take out the ear hair should I have gotten the the second step to it ? I think it is a powder too.
Another question a neighbors says that I should have his ear cropped but, he is about 1 yrs old. And I read on this board opinions. I don't mind the floppy ears its just that I don't want to have be dealing with the dirty ears so much. I'm getting used to pulling the hair out so I hope it helps. Oh, the same person says to put a drop of mineral oil in the dogs ear everyday and will help with the wax. Has anyone tried that ?
I can tell you that whoever had Jake before us had his tail docked because he has a little stub and when he is happy it whiggles.
Any links about the ear care would be nice .. This board has helped me alot in the past month with the new member of the household.
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(Date Posted:07/17/2004 6:38 AM)
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My question about the ears ... The other day I went out and got the powder to put in Jake ears and used tweezers to pull the hair out and was alot of hair too. Since I have done today he was scratching his ear and the wax coming out of his ears is unbelievable. So, I put in the ear cleaner stuff and keep on cleaning them out. I'm I doing the right thing so far or should I be concerned about ear mites again like it was when I got him from the shelter a month ago ? I just got the powder to take out the ear hair should I have gotten the the second step to it ? I think it is a powder too.
You may not have totally eliminated the ear mites and might want to have the vet take a look at those ears. The dog could have reinfested himself from the surroundings or maybe from other animals in your home.
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