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(Date Posted:01/29/2007 4:43 PM)

'ello, guvner!I've got two schnauzers, my little boy just had a sebaceous cyst off. Vet loaded him up with morphine, which he didn't like at all, cried and cried, so I let him sleep with me. Especially since my other little girl (jeanie) was at the vets getting spayed. Well, morphine wore off, Jeanie came home. She felt a mite tuckered. So, Charlie goes back in his crate (where he usually sleeps) and Jeanie sleeps with me. Dang if Charlie doesn't have a big stinky accident in the crate!But it's not for spite, everyone says, it's not in dogs to be spiteful. Everyone tells me that. But what is it for? Maybe just a meaningless accident, maybe stress, drug effects, not enough walkies, maybe (probably) my fault, just not sure why.Any ideas?

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(Date Posted:01/29/2007 5:59 PM)

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 So, Charlie goes back in his crate (where he usually sleeps) and Jeanie sleeps with me. Dang if Charlie doesn't have a big stinky accident in the crate!But it's not for spite, everyone says, it's not in dogs to be spiteful. Everyone tells me that. But what is it for? Maybe just a meaningless accident, maybe stress, drug effects, not enough walkies, maybe (probably) my fault, just not sure why.Any ideas?

You didn't say if he was shut in his crate or not, but I would guess that if he was well-trained before, it's just the effects of the meds he had (anesthesia can do strange things for brief periods of time) and/or a little jealousy that the girl was sleeping on the bed then, not him.  If it's a one-time accident, no big deal, right?

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(Date Posted:03/31/2007 8:48 PM)

I've thought about this a lot.

I got two pups from the same breeder and they both do the same strange thing.  They each spend the night in their own crate with a fleece rug.  They will poop in the crate and carefully wrap it up in the rug.  When I'm running around in the morning, I let them out of the crates and they go outside.  I go to work.  When I come home and get close to the crates, I notice a faint smell.  Slowly it dawns on me that there's poop in the crate, wrapped up in the rug.  The skill of these dogs is astounding.  They could work at any deli.

I've tried to figure out why they do this.  In reading up on care of puppies, leaving poop or pee under the newspaper to give the puppy the idea "go here" is recommended.  And I wonder if my pups experienced this at the breeders.  Maybe the crate just doesn't seem like home without a little "redecoration."  Any thoughts?
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(Date Posted:04/02/2007 6:37 AM)

I think your dogs are rolling up their "crate movements" in their bedding  because they are as grossed out as you are. How old are your dogs?  I think a puppy or a new dog has to be taken out every couple of hours, even in the middle of the night.  My dogs bathroom habits are now like clockwork but until I had it figured out I took them out so often they never had to think about where they were supposed to go. I got Libby in the winter and she was so used to going in the snow that when it started to melt she would hold it until she found a patch that hadn't melted.  In your post you mention that you walk them and then go to work. 8 hours is a long long time for a puppy. If your puppy needs to go it will go, and a trained dog can only hold it for so long. If your dog is used to going in the crate and you are not leaving it until it has no choice, make the crate smaller by wrapping a shoe box  in a towel and put it in the back of the crate. Less space for  the dog means that  if it has an accident  it has to live with it until you come back. Puppies that come from pet shops are used to going in the crate and may need another method. Growing up we had Labs, Springer Spaniels, German Shepherds and Standard Poodles. Schnauzers clue in really fast once they know the rules.Puppies take lots of time and a few months of out at midnight, 3 am and 6 in the morning until you can trust them but once they get it they will turn green, cross their legs and sit at the door until you take them out.  ( mostly. G> stew
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