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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 5:42 PM)

I know this is a rehash of the Training leash thread, however there hasn't been an update in that thread for a while, now. My Jasper is 6 months old, and definitely a dominant individual. We are in intermediate obedience training right now, and he is just now beginning to do his down stay and stand stay consistently. We are not teaching him the sit-stay on the recommendation of our breeder. We ARE using a gentle leader with some effect on him. We are planning to start showing for conformation in the next few months, for practice, as he has not really filled out completely yet. I don't expect to seriously compete until he is close to a year old. I saw a reference to a 'Martingale' type lead for use in conformation showing... From my experience with horses, i have an idea about how this might work. Where can I see what one looks like, as this is the first time i have heard of this sort of harness for a dog? Al Primm

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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 6:19 PM)

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I know this is a rehash of the Training leash thread, however there hasn't been an update in that thread for a while, now.My Jasper is 6 months old, and definitely a dominant individual. We are in intermediate obedience training right now, and he is just now beginning to do his down stay and stand stay consistently. We are not teaching him the sit-stay on the recommendation of our breeder. We ARE using a gentle leader with some effect on him.We are planning to start showing for conformation in the next few months, for practice, as he has not really filled out completely yet. I don't expect to seriously compete until he is close to a year old.I saw a reference to a 'Martingale' type lead for use in conformation showing... From my experience with horses, i have an idea about how this might work. Where can I see what one looks like, as this is the fir
I just put Martingale in Wikipedia and it came up with pictures. Seems it's a type of collar for horses and dogs.

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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 6:29 PM)

Here is a typical martingale show lead:

But I can guarantee that most are too large for a schnauzer. Most people don't understand how they should fit and work. Those two metal rings should hit the two bones on the side of the neck just under the dog's skull when the lead is tightened. When the lead is tightened, if those two rings touch each other, THE LEAD IS TOO LARGE! (and then totally useless as a correctional device)

I have had all of my martingale leads specially made for me, and the "noose" part  should not be longer than 8", from end of ring to end of ring for most dogs. That is almost too large for an immature puppy. 

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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 6:30 PM)

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I saw a reference to a 'Martingale' type lead for use in conformation showing... From my experience with horses, i have an idea about how this might work. Where can I see what one looks like, as this is the fir

Hi Al - this is a suitable topic for a couple of pictures:

This is a martingale dog show lead:

Martingale Lead

You can also get a martingale with a chain:

 

This is a "Resco" lead that most people I know use:

And this is a "slip lead" different from the Resco only in the fastener used to tighten the lead at the neck:

Slip Show Lead

And there are many variations on these themes.  I have found that a martingale CAN provide a little extra control of a puppy - OR - you can also try the wider Resco rather than the narrowest one.

Hope this helps.

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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 6:45 PM)

I see our searches led us to the same site, Tania! LOL....

I want to add, Al, that I start my puppies out on a 3/16" Resco (non-correctional), and then most of them graduate to a martingale similar to the one shown (I like parachute cord rather than braided nylon) at around adolescence. My really hard nuts will ultimately go into a very narrow snug-fitting nylon training collar attached to a thin, short piece of parachute cord. I personally prefer all my leads shorter so that I am not fighting with all the excess lead, but this is personal preference (I am not a tall person). I also shorten my Resco leads.

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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 10:46 PM)

Thanks, that really helps. A dog martingale seems to work the opposite of a horses martingale.. from above rather than below. I can see how that might be of some help.

I have to say, even at only 6 months it has been very difficult to out-stubborn Jasper when trying to train him. I am positive that he knows more than he lets on about. There again, he works better at home, than he does at the training facility. And really, i can't complain so much, as there are actually bigger dogs (a Boxer, in particular) who are less cooperative.

Its kind of funny around our house, as we have the two dogs, ABBI and JASPER, and we have a CONURE (a small member of the parrot family). Depending on who i am interacting with, i am either an Alpha male in a pack, or the alpha bird in a flock (of two). Its easy to get mixed up. As for the animals.. they all know.. the bird outranks the pups. They settled that months ago!. Picture a Schnauzer with a peeved parrot on its nose, having a heart to heart discussion.


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(Date Posted:03/02/2007 1:00 AM)

When I had birds, I was always careful to intoduce each dog individually to our African Gray so that she could have a personal heart-to-heart with each one of them<G> They were only interested in that very first introduction<GGGGGG> After that, they struggled to get out of my arms if I took them up to her cage. Guess Perky was too crabby for them<G>

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(Date Posted:03/02/2007 5:31 AM)

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I see our searches led us to the same site, Tania! LOL....

Yup - and check out the times - 8:29 and 8:30 - we were on that site at the same time too!  GMTA!

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(Date Posted:03/03/2007 1:42 PM)

My favourite show lead is a martingale/resco lead in soft, thin leather(ish) so it very easily folds up into the hand when you need a shorter lead (eg when stacked on the table) and pull out to the right length for moving. The collar end is a martingale which doesn't quite have the rings touch above the rings is one of the resco slidders so you can have the dog more secure so he can't slip out by accident.

I had a saddler make a lead for me for the giants, leather collar with a chain loop with the lead sewn on

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