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(Date Posted:10/11/2006 6:21 AM)
Somewhere on here I've already posted about this. It bugs the crappola out of me when people let their dogs visit. I TOTALLY do not believe in dog interaction when I am out with my dog, and I have been known to get rather rude if people attempt to do so with my dog. I will tell them to "watch your dog", and have been known to thrust myself between my dog and theirs. We are there to WORK, not play; if they want to play, there are places specifically designed for that. I would have a talk with your instructor before class and let him know how you feel. And, yes, I would distance myself from those who are obviously there just for the socialization. When I am waiting for class to start, I usually have my dog sitting in my lap or in the chair next to me.
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(Date Posted:10/11/2006 6:46 PM)
Surfone,
I am sorry you are going through this in your class. You might want to talk to the instructor after class and tell him your concerns... it might go a long way.
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(Date Posted:10/11/2006 7:12 PM)
I went home from a puppy class for this same reason. The training sessions were held outdoors, and one Saturday I got tired of waiting in the hot sun while this one guy (who always interrupted with a story or question about his own dog, not a question we could all benefit from) kept going on and on and completely side-tracked the instructor. I took my well-behaved and panting puppy, walked up to the instructor and asked for the printed hand-out that was given at the end of each class. I politely told her that we weren't getting much out of the class that day and we'd practice at home. She was surprised - it was almost like I woke her up, but she gave me the hand-out and we left.
The classes after that were a bit better, but that obnoxious guy loved to hear his voice and clearly needed his own socialization, and the instructor either didn't know how to handle the situation, or was just clueless.
I agree with the advice to talk with the instructor. Or I'd just raise my hand during the interruption and say "hmm, can we get back to what we were doing, please?" - maybe they'll get the hint.
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(Date Posted:10/11/2006 10:17 PM)
The thing for the instructor to be reminded, is the fact that you paid for this class. You paid just as much as the interuptor, and you have equal rights to train your dog. I have been frustrated in classes before for this same sort of thing. My shy rescue dog will never be the agility dog the Australian with no social issues can be. But he has just as much right to instruction if I pay the same fee. After class one night we chatted about this and it got better. Someone mentioned that these chain store instructors don't always have the training and experience as a private club. It is possible she doesn't know what you are expecting of her instruction. If she doesn't know the goal she can't achieve it.
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(Date Posted:10/11/2006 10:54 PM)
Thanks everyone. I know I kind of 'went off' a bit and thankful I found some understanding lol I am not used to 'groups' of humans with dogs and while
I spent a lot of time socializing Nitro as a pup, this class thing is new to us both.
BTW, before reading your posts I DID call the instructor this morning and happy to report I was able to speak with him by
phone directly. He has been teaching for a long time and conceeded that a certain 'immunity' builds up over
time dealing with groups of students ( I can only imagine that's how one avoids bursting a blood vessel lol ). He was open to what I was saying and reassured me that next weeks class would be different because 1) we'd be in a larger area and outdoors and 2) he would remind the human
students about courtesy. I tried to get across that I'm not trying to be a jerk, that more than Nitro even - I'm trying to learn
their ways too - but just that the discourtesies don't really help. He has seen a lot I think and kind of hinted that he's seen many owners pay money to 'learn'
but pay little attention or make minimal effort. Anyway, mostly I'm relieved he seemed to 'get' what I was saying and
where I was coming from and thanked me for bringing it to his attention and relaying my concerns.
I can't imagine the immense amount of patience he or any dog trainer has to have for the humans, nevermind the dogs. Hmm....maybe if at the beginning of class he suggested we all ate treats, he'd have a quieter class LOL What do you guys think? "Here's a brownie for you, and you, and you...good..now...sit!" LOL
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(Date Posted:10/31/2006 10:51 PM)
My bad. I was ill last week and could not take Nitro to class, so we missed one and he has not gotten as much exercise as he normally would. I had to refer to booklet handout but it's been hard 'catching up' after feeling somewhat better. I've a feeling it'll show tonite too 
I bought some Solid Gold Lamb jerky treats to help keep Nitro focused during class and when I work with him here. Other treats just haven't cut it in the distractions of a group setting. Nitro has been demonstrating, since we started this class, just how stubborn he can be. He's not overtly blatant, but if I tell him to sit sometimes he tries to do the 'barely touch the floor with my backside and pop back up hoping you will not notice and give me my treat anyway' deal LOL
The class has helped me see, not inside the class but outside of it at home actually, just how subtle their manipulations can be. They're not people of course so I've really had to pay closer attention to canine body language and see where I've missed or confused certain behaviors of his and without realizing it, fell for them lock, stock, and barrel.
He does NOT like getting the tables turned on him as much as they have been and add to this that the whole process of being rewarded with treats has been new. Prior to this it was all praise based so it's been a bit confusing for us both. He doesn't just 'get' anything and I don't leave his toys laying around.
I had been using a retractable leash with him and could 'pop' it to teach him 'come'. He got that, but it also allowed him to rush ahead of me. So he got mixed signals when just walking. The Gentle Leader, once I figured it out, has been very helpful so I would recommend it. The one I got also came with a DVD - maybe the all do I don't know - and I had to watch it a few times to figure out how to get it on correctly.
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(Date Posted:11/01/2006 2:05 AM)
>>He does NOT like getting the tables turned on him as much as they have been
Training is rarely black and white, and the real trick is outsmarting the dog to get it to do what you want. -->Enter the schnauzer brain...... A challenge for most of us! LOL! Always a work in progress....
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(Date Posted:11/01/2006 4:41 AM)
Surfone, I'm really happy to read your posts and find a person with a m/s as smart and wiley as mine. I've been a retriever person for many, many years. I think I liked them because they are easy but not really as much fun. My Tucker will take every chance to prove he's smarter than I am and I'm pretty competitive so I just take him on. Sometimes it's pretty frustrating, but mostly it's a real challenge. Tucker is a master manipulator and I still haven't figured out every trick. I took him out of the first obedience class because he was so distracted and the class leader did that "everyone needs to socialize" thing and he took on a big old dog and got into it. No schnauzer should bark at a pitt bull, but Tucker thought it was a good idea.
I'm a fan of the Gentle Leader. Mr. Tucker will walk for hours in that thing and act like a perfectly behaved dog, even when a pit bull is across the street. He now knows how to bark at the window at people who have the nerve to walk past he house, but stop when I stay "enough" or make the Cesar Milan noise.
He's made my life interesting again. Retrievers have nothing on Schnauzers.
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(Date Posted:11/21/2006 7:30 AM)
'tucker is a master manipulator...' that had me laughing out loud! oh boy do i understand that! lol
My mom was talking to a woman in her state who used to show MS's for a long time. She said of all the dogs she bred and showed, the miniature schnauzer was the most challenging because she said,"They use a form of psychology called 'Schnauzercology' on you. And it's distinct to that breed." She went on to say she adored them but understood, through my mom, my ebb and flo progress with Nitro LOL
Nitro definently uses Schnauzercology on me! Man he can bat those eyelashes, do the cutey-pie head tilt, suddenly turn into super pleaser...all at just about the moment he's being or going to be corrected or trying real hard to distract me from noticing what he's done. I've yelled at him nose to nose and it's as if he's nearly laughing at me LOL He'll stand on his hind legs, then drop to his side and roll and snuffle around like,"Ha ha ha...you're not REALLY mad at me! Look how cute I am! Let's play!" and pretty much melt me in nanoseconds and I don't realize it's happened until an hour later I remember and go,"Huh? Now wait a dang minute here...."
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(Date Posted:11/21/2006 7:54 PM)
Ah, someone else who understands the true joys of schnauzer ownership!<G> Thirty-six years, and I am *still* having trouble outsmarting these little buzzards<G>... guess it is keeping my mind young though....
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Britmor Schnauzers
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(Date Posted:12/02/2006 11:43 PM)
what is the Gentle Learder?
Cheyennes mommy
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(Date Posted:12/03/2006 5:57 AM)
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(Date Posted:12/04/2006 4:06 AM)
Hello
I went and checked this Gentle Leader out, Does it honestly work that well? if so i am going to order one. also while on that web site i was reading on GUSTO and then his web site and oh my gosh before going to read this he states to bring lots of tissue. that is an understatement oh my gosh i bet i had a puddle of tears going by the time i had read all of that. I had to go grab Cheyenne and i still have her on my lap after 2 hours. she probably thinks i lost my ever luvin mind and she keeps looking at me like MOMMY? whats wrong with you. LOL
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(Date Posted:12/04/2006 6:56 AM)
>>I went and checked this Gentle Leader out, Does it honestly work that well?
A million years ago when I was an assistant training instructor in a puppy beginner class (mostly cleaned up the poop*G*), we had a HUGE four-month-old mutt come in that looked sort of like a full-grown smooth collie. She was a wild child, and the owner's hands were literally bloody from her constant biting. I put that youngster in a Gentle Leader, showed the owner how to use it, and by the end of class the puppy was lying quietly next to the owner while the instructor talked about the class. I have never seen such a miraculous transformation in any dog!
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(Date Posted:12/04/2006 8:30 PM)
Tucker was 7 or 8 months old when he joined our family -- completely undisciplined. He wasn't housetrained, barked at everything that moved, and couldn't be walked becausehe pulled in every direction and barked at every passing dog. He'd spent his puppy months alone in an apartment while his owner worked. Makes on wonder why people acquire dogs.
Someone suggested a gentle leader and I was desperate. I bought it, watched the DVD, put it on him and took him to the back yard. I thought someone had stolen my dog and replaced him with one who had manners.
From the first second he calmed down. He now wears it on walks and if he gets crazy again when we have visitors. He's not perfectly behaved but he's really quite good. My 13 y/o told me the other day that Tucker is "respectful, responsible, and fun to be around" -- my standard for kid behavior has now been transferred to dogs.
I recommend the Gentle Leader to everyone who asks. It made Tucker into a really nice pup.
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