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drscope
Topic :   DECEMBER 6 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats right, DECEMBER 6 is our next and LAST race of the 2009 Championship racing Series!  A tentative course has been selected!

After this one, we don't race again until March, 2010.

So get your cars out and get them ready to roll one last time before we put them away for the winter.

And don't forget, the 2009 CHAMPIONSHIP WILL BE DECIDED AT THIS RACE!  Thats right, Drscope and The Jerm are tied for the points lead!  They each have 73 points.  A 14 point lead over Jola's Roller assures that which ever one of them finishes ahead of the other wins the Championship!

The only thing that would change that is if they both fail to make it to the finish!  And at that point we would have a tie for the Championship.

Those of you who are considering building a new car for next season, NOW is the time to get started!  If you put it off, it won't be ready for Opening Day!  Bad, cold weather is on the way and that is sure to slow down your build.



11/20/2009 20:49 PM


markWoody
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

Remakes of classics nearly always disappoint
But i did like the Battlestar Galactica 


11/20/2009 03:50 AM


Numbersix
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

 Congratulations Mark on your promotion, sound like thing are looking up for you over there.  Going to check out those images you pointed out.  And Fran's right, free stuff is good, where ever you can find it.  Oh, AMC (American Movie Classic) channel just aired the new Prisoner mini series this past Sunday through Tuesday night.  It was awful in my opinion.  The acting was fine, but the story line was disjointed, disorganized and just plan stupid!  Nothing like the original, and I wouldn't recommend watching it to anyone. :(  


11/18/2009 09:00 AM


markWoody
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

Free stuff is best ! :) ,
I am a " flight line mechanic " i service the BAE Hawks at RAF Valley on 19th squadron
If you search google images for XX184 , XX307and " the red arrows" you will see the jets i work on
i have just had promotion so as from next week i will be working in the engine bay , striping and rebuilding the Rolls Royce Ardour jet engines .


11/18/2009 06:17 AM


drscope
Re :   A little help.

John, check your "IN BOX"!  Private Message has been sent.  Upper Right Hand corner - the little envelope!


11/17/2009 18:41 PM


drscope
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

Free stuff is good! 

Now it sounds like you need to start turning the screws on the manager.  Competition is a good thing!  Maybe you can get him building also and your group will be on it's way!

Just keep in mind, if you do get him interested, the supply of free stuff is going to stop!  At least until he has HIS cart done and you are still slower then he is!

So what is it you do with the jets?


11/17/2009 18:35 PM


markWoody
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

I have got some 3mm sheet steel offcuts from the workshops in work today , the manager was very interested when i told him what i wanted it for :)
the weather is still bad , they had to cancel flying yeserday afternoon  and again today , the jets were all grounded !


11/17/2009 12:48 PM


drscope
Re :   A little help.

They tell you in the marketing that the split rims make tire mounting easy.  They sort of don’t say anything about tire CHANGING!  What they don’t tell you is it’s a REAL PAIN to get the old tires off the rims.

 

We have a bead breaker here for the race car tires that we modified to use on the cart wheels.  That works pretty well.

 

If you want to ship them down UPS, I’ll press them off for you.

 

We have talked about making up some rings to be able to press them off with the hydraulic press, but nobody has taken the time yet to bend and weld them up.

 

Looking at your photos, it appears this thing had knobby tires on it.  Going through the Azusa knobby tire list, I find these;

 

145-70x6  part #1222  list price $30.95          tube # 7140     list price $13.50

18-950x8  part #1228  list price $83.95          tube # 7120     list price $19.25

 

THOSE ARE SOME EXPESIVE TIRES!  Even with the discount!

 

Plus that is not a good tread design for what we are doing.  Remember, we don’t have any power to push us through the corners and we aren’t running on dirt, so we don’t need the traction.

 

A lot of us are running a ribbed tire with a flat profile, or a ribbed tire with a round profile.  They seem to work very well.

 

We started out running on Harbor Freight wheels and tires.  The 6 inch rears cost us about $10 or $12.  That was a wheel with a tire and tube mounted on it!  They worked pretty well when everyone was running on the same package.  But as soon as somebody used something better, they were WAY faster then the rest of us!

 

The first problem we had with those was we found the tires are NOT round.  And the more we ran them, the worse they got.  After running about 6 races, they were like riding on cinder blocks.  And in some cases, with our scrub brakes, they would be so out of round, they hit the brakes pads as they rotated.

 

The second problem was the bearings aren’t made for high speed use.  Most of these held up for a while, but they just didn’t roll so well.  Remember, this stuff was all made for walking speeds.

 

So, we have changed all the bearings in those wheels to a better bearing.  The bearings cost about $2 each. 

 

And, we have changed out most of those tires as they got bad.  We have a few carts running those Harbor Freight wheels with good bearings and the 13-500x6 ribbed tire with flat profile, tire #7018-2 list price $26.50ea.  This makes a pretty good package for a standard 5/8 axle.


I recently made up the jigs and fixtures to be able to mount the 5" Azusa drum brake to that wheel as well.  We havn't tried it yet, but one wheel is done and ready to be mounted and I just need to drill a second one and mount them up.
 

So basically at this point, we buy the $12 harbor freight package and then throw the tire and bearings away and just use the wheel.  They work just fine, go fast and cost less then a $35-$55 aluminum wheel.

 

With the MISFITS parts discount, that wheel/tire package costs us a total of about $35.

 

That might be something for you to think about if the cost is getting away with that rear axle set up you have now.

 

The cheapest tires seem to be the round profile tires.  And they work very well for what we are doing because they have the smallest contact patch with the road and therefore maybe the lowest rolling resistance.


They look like wheel barrow tires, but all the Azusa tires are good quality, high speed tires.  That makes a real difference!
 

For your fronts, you could use the 13-400x6  (13”O.D.x 4” wide) #7011-2 list $14.95ea.

 

On the rear, you have a few different choices in the round profile for your 8 inch wheels;

 

14-300x8 (14”O.D.x3”wide)              #7008-2           list $17.25

410/350x8 (15.3”O.D.x3.2”wide)      #7003-2           list $11.75

480/400x8 (16.3”O.D.x4.6”wide        #7012              list $14.95

 

 

And back to your rear axle.  That axle set up works, but there are many draw backs for what we are doing. 

 

The first is that it is designed to have power going to it.  That works very well on a go- kart and allows you to mount your bearings and brakes right to the axle along with the drive sprocket.

 

But in your case, I think you will need a new axle.  I doubt if the one you have can be straightened.

 

And then, you are probably going to have to replace the bearings and the hangers.  A lot of those bearings run anywhere from $9 to $45each! 

 

For what we are doing, that axle set up won’t work the best.  Any time you are cornering, it scrubs off speed because one tire is traveling farther then the other.  Posi-traction may work well if you have power to drive it, but not in this case.

 

What a lot of the guys do who are running this set up is to mount more bearings inboard and then cut the axle in the middle.  This allows each wheel to turn independently of the other and you don’t get that scrubbing.

 

The draw back is you need to buy more bearings and hangers.  And if you are running brakes to the axle, you need to also buy the same set up for each side.  With out cutting the axle, you can just run one brake.

 

You might want to think about going to the 5/8 axle on the rear.  It might be a lot cheaper for you in the long run.  AND, this is something to think about before you make your first run.  There isn’t much sense in pouring a lot of money into this thing if it turns out you aren’t going to be running that much.

 

We started off with what was supposed to be a quick, easy, cheap way of doing this, just so we could see if it was something we wanted to do.  At this point it’s sort of out of control, but man it’s still a BLAST!  And the more other folks that are getting involved, the more fun it is!

 

Now if I can just keep the Jerm BEHIND me at the next race…..



11/14/2009 19:41 PM


Numbersix
Topic :   A little help.

  Hi Fran,

     Today I did some work on my cart.  I removed the old adjustable seat that was burned up, and test fitted the new seat I have.  I think that will work really well once I do some slight modifications.  I removed, straitened and reinstalled the tie rods that go to the front wheel spindles which connect to the steering column.

    I then removed the front wheels from their hubs and lubed everything that moved there.  My objective was to see if I could dismount the old tires from the rims.  To my surprise the wheels are split rims.  And this is where I am stuck.  Is there some trick to getting the rims to separate from the tire?

     The tire size I had on the front are 145/70-6.  The rear only had one tire on it and a third of it was burned away.  Unfortunately the tire size was burned away with it.  All I could get for a size was what looks to be 9.50-8.  any thoughts on that size?

   John


11/13/2009 21:29 PM


Numbersix
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

 Gees Mark, maybe you should be building ark.  Let's hope the weather lets up soon over there and you folks get a brake.


11/13/2009 20:08 PM


markWoody
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

Don't think i will get much done this weekend it is blowing a gale here and we have floods , i had to take a detour on my way home as there was a landslide on the pen-y-pass :(


11/13/2009 16:24 PM


Numbersix
Re :   Incentive.

 Thank you Fran, I will give you  a shout when the time comes for parts.  And thanks for wishing me luck with the winter beater.  If you'd like to take a look at what it looks like just go to www.stillruns.com and look for readers ride section.  Click that and I'm near the bottom of the list (John's ride). 


11/12/2009 15:14 PM


drscope
Re :   Incentive.

Yes we still have the Azusa business.  I've just been lax on getting things listed on the Allied Motor Sports web site.
http://www.alliedmotorsports.us/

But with winter coming and me really hating ice & snow, maybe I can sit inside and make some progress on that.

In the mean time, before you go buying parts, let me know what you need.  I will probably be able to get it for you cheaper then anyone else.

Good luck with the Plymouth!

Mark, glad to hear you got started!  I think it's just a matter of time before you are having races!

Both of you guys just need to find a few other crazys in your area that want to have a good time.  Once you get someone else involved, it becomes a lot more fun and it is then easier to get more folks on board.

Keep us posted on your progress!


11/11/2009 04:53 AM


markWoody
Re :   Incentive.

I made a start :)


11/11/2009 03:59 AM


Numbersix
Topic :   Incentive.

 Fran, in regards to "We need pictures!"  I took the line you see below from letter #34 on page two of Noobie.


  Maybe that will be an incentive to numbersix to get his going!

 I have been doing some work on my IGR cart but I've also been very busy with other priorities.  Mostly my winter beater.  ('72 Plymouth)  I was able to get the rims off the axle and I am disassembling the front end to see what if anything can be done with that.  As time goes by I'll keep you updated as I get time to do things. 

 I have some thoughts on how I want my cart to look, but first things first.  I promise, I am motivated, I just need to attend to priorities as they occur.  Mean time, you folks keep up the good work in this little hobby and keep filming your runs.  I do enjoy watching the action, and hope I will be able to do some races myself.  You still have the Azusa bizz?


11/10/2009 17:24 PM


drscope
Re :   Photomania!!! Kart build photos

The Photo Sets for each race have also now been linked from the results for each race!


11/09/2009 14:16 PM


drscope
Re :   Photomania!!! Kart build photos

I took a little time today to add links to all these photo spreads from the "CARS" page of the web site.

Again, Thanks Jerm for keeping up with all the photos!  A lot of the history would be lost with out this.



11/09/2009 13:42 PM


drscope
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

When you are ready to post pictures, read through this thread.  This is because we are cheap and can't post photos directly to the message boards.

http://forum1.aimoo.com/MISFITS/General-Discussion/Pictures-1-1643963.html


11/09/2009 08:32 AM


markWoody
Re :   Noobie Alert :)

I have read about ackerman , not sure i get it :) , no doubt it will become clear as i build it .
i took pictures on my phone but even though my computer says i am paired to my phone by blue-tooth and everything is working fine (passwords match and are accepted) it refuses to send the pictures over :( , next time i will use my girlfriends camera , it connects by wire , i have used it before successfully .
it was a great sense of achievement to get something built , to make a start , the project is now " in progress" :)


11/09/2009 02:45 AM

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