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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:08/29/2008 13:59 PM)
Not yet .. Im hoping you guys can take a peek... One of our members is driving cross country so he may be able to stop and look on the way. The numbers look good though.
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/02/2008 19:24 PM)
It just so happened I had to go to Camp Hill, PA today! So while I was up that way, I figured I’d go check this one out in person.
As you can see from the satellite photos, this is the only road over the ridge for quite a few miles. As such, it is the main drag and carries a lot of heavy traffic.
The road surface is very smooth and in good shape.The outside edge of the pavement is lined with Armco barrier just about the whole way up each side.
There is very little area at the top for staging and just about no parking area up there.
There are some other issues which need to be thought about.The speed limit is 45mph while the truck speed is 20mph.
There are 2 possible runs from the top;
One going NORTH and one going SOUTH.
NORTH;
At 0.8 miles, there is a killer left.This turn is posted at 10mph safe speed!This is a VERY tight and steep down hill turn, and if you miss this one, you are going into the Armco.It’s a long straight run to this turn and it may be very difficult to get the cars slowed down enough to make this corner.
At 1.6 miles, it takes a sharp right, again if you don’t make the turn you are in trouble.If you don’t make the turn, you will cross on coming traffic and end up in the Armco.
The total distance on this side is about 2.1 miles.Very fast with that one almost impossible left hander.
SOUTH;
Again we have a long straight run to the first corner.That corner is another tight hairpin to the right.We will not be able to stop traffic on this course, so there is the problem of crossing into on coming traffic if you don’t make this corner.
At 1.6 miles, there is a fast downhill left.Again, miss this one and you eat the guard rail.
This run would end at 2.2 miles at the intersection of Waggoners Gap and State Route 944.
Neither one of these courses is for the timid!They are both high speed runs to very difficult, tight corners.A mistake here could be devastating and deadly.This is NO EXAGGERATION!
There is a lot of truck traffic on this road in addition to the cars.Visibility of the road from the top to view traffic is limited, so radios or cell phones and spotters would be necessary to try to get in a run without other vehicles on the hill.
I’m not bailing out on this one, but I think maybe we need to keep looking!If we could stop traffic, maybe it wouldn’t be so bad, but with truck and car traffic, this may not be the place to worry about crossing the center line.
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/03/2008 06:26 AM)
Nice write up. A quick temporary closing the road sounds like a must. If we have three groups present that shouldn’t be a problem though. I hope that truck traffic at 7am on sunday morning would be light too. There are a few others potential hills closer to harrisburg that may be do able.
What time did you check it out at? How fast do you estimate the cars will reach? Most of our hills could not be raced during the week / during the day, they are just too busy.But show up on a Sunday at 6:45 and it’s a ghost town. The goal of the east coast shootout is for everyone to have a good time and not end up wrapped up in a guard rail (although im kind of happy to hear there are guard rails) (the cali guys run hills that have shear cliffs off the sides) (and they go off once in a while) (see the tuna canyon pics). Guard rails = build leg and body protection on your car!.The run should be longer than our normal mile runs to give everyone a little something special.We always have had a spotter or spotters (cept once) during our races.Traffic from the top is rarely a problem as we are normally going faster then them and bottom traffic can be controlled with a slow/stop sign (watch the aussi videos).Sounds like everyone should also be wearing an ear piece attached to 2way radio.This way, the bottom spotters can alert if an oncoming car is heading up the hill.Again, it shouldn’t be so fast that people can’t stay in control.Good brakes and personal tech inspections should be standard for every racer.Each racer should know their own ability and their cars ability.(seat time and build quality will normally dictate that)
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/03/2008 07:18 AM)
alternate race site up on our web page. Looks low key as far as traffic. Short version is 2.75 miles..Long version is 3.75 .... whoahawhaa ...Who's bearings are going to burn out and pop off!
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/03/2008 15:35 PM)
I was there about 2:30 in the afternoon and there was a steady flow of traffic in each direction. Maybe on Sunday morning things would be different, but keep in mind this is THE main drag over the hill.
Each direction, sort of mirrors itself, so no matter which way we run, we have a long straight section that goes into an extremely tight hair pin turn.On the NORTH side, it would be a left and on the SOUTH side it would be a right.
Speeds would definitely be high on this one!Brakes that work as well or better then on your motorized street car would be a MUST!
I figure the run would be somewhere in the 6 minute range regardless of which side we run.So stopping traffic would keep cars sitting for a rather long time.
In the interest of safety, I don’t think we want to try this one without stopping traffic.
ShadeMountain a bit to the north east of this one looks a little better on the map.Probably a lot less traffic!
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/04/2008 05:04 AM)
any links to this shadey hill you speak of?? lat lon?
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/04/2008 07:12 AM)
Just put in ; Shade Mountain Rd and it should come right up. If not....
40-43-07.91N 77-06-05.37W
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:09/04/2008 11:58 AM)
500' of drop over 2 miles will be fairly mellow... take a look at 3 square hollow rd in newburg... 40 13 02.50N 77 32 51.45w Is the start point @ 2050' and finish at 40 11 34.53n 77 33 41.11w @ 850'
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:01/03/2009 12:41 PM)
OK, I've been thinking a lot about this run and this hill since I went and looked at it several months ago. Traffic is on the heavy side, but if we have our act together, we may be able to stop traffic and get our runs in before we cause any trouble.
If we can pull it off, this would certainly seperate the men from the boys.
We will need several volunteer workers for this one.
Stopping traffic at the top of the hill is not a problem, as the people we stop can't see around the corner to see what the delay is. We just need to put a few cars in the road with hazzards flashing and that should stop anyone from seeing what we are up to.
We will need someone at the bottom to stop uphill traffic at least until we get through the hairpin. This is NOT a turn we want to try going through if traffic is coming up the hill.
It may also be a good idea to have a couple of flaggers with radios to stop us if we get traffic on the hill. There are several driveways and a business or two that might have cars coming out even after we have stopped traffic from coming up.
This is definately one that we could use several camera people along the course to film.
It's on our calander!
Right now we have 2 definates from Maryland. How many from Pittsburgh and New Jersey?
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Depending on the location i would guess that a min of 5 of our racers will show.. most likely more though since we will be getting hotels the night before.
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Re:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:02/13/2009 12:55 PM)
just joined MISFITS but with no kart. I plan on being in the camp hill area on saturday the 7th, so a race in that general area on the 8th works well. I have three dedicated video recording devices and two digital cameras so I can supply cameras if need be, and I might be able to get an additional couple helpers. I also have a c-clamp camera tripod if someone wants to record with a (vid)cam and doesn't plan on crashing ;-)
**EDIT**
I'll also be in this area this weekend and will go check out the NJUSBF course B (http://www.njusbf.com/east-coast-shoot-out.html) route on Sunday morning at 7:00AM. Will report on regular/truck traffic volume, speed, light conditions, road quality, etc. can also get out to three square hollow rd if there's interest, but it's a bit out of my way.
(Message edited by jerm1386 On 02/13/2009 13:07 PM)
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:02/15/2009 15:54 PM)
Let me start by saying that there was more or less nobody on the road (arrived at 6:45 sharp); in my roughly fifteen minutes up there I saw five vehicles, none of them semis or buses, etc, so stopping traffic shouldn't be a problem; if you wanted to do multiple runs you could send traffic through between runs with minimal delay. The hairpin turns worry me but since I've never done a run before I wouldn't know. just letting my car coast while in gear I hit 45mph on the way down; when I put in it neutral I hit 60. I was able to manage 25 around the each of the hairpin turns and 40 around the other turns on either side of the hill, so the karts would potentially have to slow down 25-30mph from their top speed. I'll let you guys make the decision, but I wouldn't pick this route; it might just separate the men from their arms rather than the boys. If you choose to go this route, I'd go the southern side as it has more light and generally looks better.
I also looked into another route, on Doubling Gap Rd in PA, about 20 minutes from course B. It starts at 40°17'58.34"N 77°24'5.91"W and ends at 40°16'56.96"N 77°25'4.67"W. It's ~1.5 miles long, drops 635 feet (7.8% grade), and has fewer cars than Waggoner's gap. It has some gentle curves, a few tighter ones, and one 90-degree 15mph left-hander at about 1 mile. I recommend this hill; it has some uphills, some curves, a sharp turn, a couple minor steep areas. It won't run as fast as the first but it would be less dangerous and intimidating and might allow for better competition. But that judgment is up to you.
And now for the illustrations! (apologies for blurry taken-while-car-was-moving photos)
Figure 1: staging area of Waggoner's gap hill (originally proposed run)
Figure 2: Starting line of north side run
Figure 3: Road condiitons on north side run
Figure 4: Hairpin turn on north side run
Figure 5: Starting line for south side run
Figure 6: Road conditions for south side run
Figure 7: Hairpin turn on south side run
Figure 8: Map of doubling gap run, red dots every 10ft of elevation drop (my proposed run).
Figure 9: Staging area for doubling gap run
Figure 10: Starting line
Figure 11: road conditions
Figure 12: turns on this road (not the sharpest turn)
alright jerm... nice work man! Start working on that car now. Its takes a bit of seat time in your own car before your ready to blast down those hills.. wow.. .. i gonna read your review a little better now.. shoot us an email or sign up for our newsletter... njusbf.com
Also guys, were planniing on running this in August now... I think march is too soon. You guys need a bit more seat time. Our next race is march 15th it will be in hudson county area... (not really worth the drive for you guys) but our april race will be a good one if you want to make the trip.
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:02/17/2009 22:20 PM)
We do want to come race with you "big boys" early this spring! We need to come up and scope out the competition for August!
If we don't make it in March, we'll certainly try for April.
I think Jerm has the same opion I had when first looking at Wagoners Gap. Those hair pins scare the heck out of me! But for a Tri-Region Shoot Out, this may not be a bad choice.
After all, this is for bragging rights and it shouldn't be easy!
Was Tom able to make the trip and run with the SFVISBF? I saw on their message boards that he was thinking about going out.
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Automotive footage
(Date Posted:03/18/2009 19:42 PM)
I was up in that general area last weekend and figured that, to get a
better idea of what all we're looking at in terms of run differences,
I'd shoot video from my car down four of the potential runs. I wasn't
able to make it out as far as 3 square hollow rd, but I got the north
and south ends of Waggoner's gap and doubling gap. If someone could
get photos or video of 3 square hollow that would be amazing; it looks
like the best choice (and the longest) It's almost 14 minutes, so it'll take a nice chunk of time to watch and it has no music
(just wind noise) so it will likely also be boring. but it gives us a chance
to see what's actually going on with the roads, particularly the
various turns. Also, note that the footage doesn't always end exactly where the map says it should. Just go on to google maps or earth and look at the end coordinates, those are where the courses will end.
End Coordinates: 40deg 19'30.74"N 77deg 22'17.07"W End Elevation: 677 feet (821-foot drop)
With the exception of run 3, they're all pretty much equal in terms of length and with Run 4, in terms of grade. Also, run 4 is the only course without a major turn; being that it also has a shallower grade, this might be a good course if there's unfavorable weather.
(Message edited by jerm1386 On 03/19/2009 05:07 AM)
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:03/24/2009 12:31 PM)
Nice Job Jeremy!I’ve been on Waggoners Gap and the videos just don’t do it justice.Both of the hair pins concern me on that one.
On the south side at least we could opt to start at the hair pin.There is a road (Whitetail Dr) that goes off on the outside of the hairpin that could be used as a starting point.This would take ½ mile off of the run, but trying to make that turn after ½ mile of relatively straight running, may be difficult.Brakes would certainly be working at the maximum to get the cars slowed down enough for the corner.
Both hair pins are going to be difficult.If you don’t make the turn on the south side, you are going to be in on coming traffic.And on the North side, we would probably end up going under the guard rail with disastrous results.
I’ve not been on Doubling Gap yet, but the video looks good.Only a few spots where brakes may be needed.
I think we need to change the name of this event from the East Coast Shoot Out to The United States Down Hill Grand Prix for the World Championship!
This way the Australians and the Californians are welcome to come compete as well.
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Re:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:03/24/2009 13:23 PM)
should the renaming (and world-championship-ifying) be the case, we will not want to make it easy at all. Perhaps someone should check out 3 square hollow, as it is easily the longest possibility at 3 miles (in terrain view I can't possibly see how it could get to 3.75, sorry NJUSBF guys), and since it is not as steep it might allow more for driver ability to come into play rather than simply kart design/top speed. If I had to choose from the runs we have here though I'd go with either of the south side runs: north side doubling gap is not fast/interesting enough and north waggoner's gap has the sharpest hairpin of them all, and the steepest by far.
Also, should we open this up to many more participants, we may be able to run all 5 hills independently over the course of a day - a hundred soapboxers would be far too many for just one hill (not like I'd expect that sort of turnout, but have to plan for the worst)
No, the videos don't do it justice at all. On both the hairpins I was approaching them at 60 but went around them at about 25, and the video doesn't convey that sort of change, or how even just 25 was pushing it. Maybe I should have strapped the camera to the license plate to get a kart driver's viewpoint on it
Anyway the short of what i typed before... Looks like someone will just have to test the hills?!?! ps... i know someone who coasted 1.x miles with less than 3% grade and there was elevation change of 40 feet; UPHILL!
granted this coasting was boring as shit because it was at the start of the hill but if you tack a mile or 3/4 of mile on to the end of a ripping hill then you've got a east coast challenge!
the moral of the soapbox story... someones got to run it.
2050 to 635 ....3.8 no? overall 6% but the first 3 miles will be much faster... i was going to suggest that i would check it out this weekend but i just mapped it and its almost 4hrs... it should also be noted that we planned this area for the chance to race with those piss bitches.. but they havent responded with an email or posted anything lately so we might want to count them out...
hey dr - is there a thing on this forum that will allow the poster to edit what they wrote? i always need the editing function... takes too much for me to type in word then cut and paste?
Also .. get rid of the guest posting... if someone wants to write something they should sign up... i forget to log in often and then loose what i already typed... im not bitchin (its better than what we have) ok i am bitching... sorry.. wait... im not sorry
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RE:09 East coast shootout
(Date Posted:03/24/2009 20:20 PM)
Gee guys it takes almost all my computer knowledge just to get on the message boards. Now you want me to change things? Oh man.....
I'll see what i can do, but don't hold your breath!
Usually I just use microsoft word and then copy & paste it over here. Got spell check that way so I don't dumb as I look am.
On 03/12/09, I sent the following e-mail through the thick bikes web site;
O.K., so maybe this isn’t the best way to try to get in touch with you guys, but there is NO contact link on the P.I.S.S. web page.I got this from the web site that was painted on the back of the van in one of your videos and I hope it is going to the right person.If not, could you please see that it gets to that person, or get me some contact info so I can get it to them?
I am sort of the founder of the M.I.S.F.I.T.S., the Maryland Illegal Soapbox Federation & Incline Trials Society.We are a small but growing group of downhill racers mostly based in the Baltimore area.
We have been in contact with the NJUSBF and a few of their members came down to race with us last Sunday.
As you may be aware, the NJ group and the MD group have been planning on doing a shoot out this summer (maybe in August).We would like the P.I.S.S. to participate so we can make this a Tri-region shoot out of us East Coast guys.
And we would also like to maybe come out to Pittsburgh this year to run with you guys a time or two.
So this e-mail is sort of a request to establish a contact between the P.I.S.S. and the M.I.S.F.I.T.S.
Waiting for your reply,
Drscope
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