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(Date Posted:10/29/2006 6:11 AM)
Iv read both theories. and I like them both. Both have possabilites. I like yours it makes a lot of sense in fact goese quite well with the present story line.
1) I never really thought of this either untill I read your post. But there where no sighns of children or young adults in theire town. The peopel you saw I would say where 30's and up. No one below 30 that I could tell any how. That alone has to make you think something is wrong here. It looks like the perfect town. Friendly chats. Book clubs,Everyone doing the everyday things of life. But where are the laughs and play of the children? Why doesen't anyone crave the desire to raise a family? That's a good call on that one.
2)Here is another question. If the other's have access to the outside world. Why not request artficial insertation? I mean if your body can't reproduce. Doesn't mean you cannot carry the baby. Lots of familes both father and mother cannot produce and have babies threw that way. Perhaps cancer is the problem. That would render your reproduction organs usless. If im not mistaking. I belive Cancer can cause tumors to accure. If cancer was the case how come the island didn't heal them as it did Rose?
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(Date Posted:10/30/2006 3:37 AM)
" If im not mistaking. I belive Cancer can cause tumors to accure. "
Ah Tumors, Jack spotted a tumor on the back of Ben i think, or that is who jack thought it was, judging by his age.
It wasn't sawyers x-rays, but ben's, and he has the tumors!
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(Date Posted:10/30/2006 5:15 AM)
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" If im not mistaking. I belive Cancer can cause tumors to accure. "Ah Tumors, Jack spotted a tumor on the back of Ben i think, or that is who jack thought it was, judging by his age.It wasn't sawyers x-rays, but ben's, and he has the tumors!It all fits.
Actualy so far Jack only saw the X-ray and made the assumption that it was a man around his 40's with a spinal tumor. It want be untill next episode that he confronts Ben about it and makes another assumption that he was brought here to operate on Ben. But something inside tells me that Ben is going to throw in an intresting twist to this. Like maybe it will be who we atleast expect. If it is Ben's. I hope they provide a flash back of Ben for us to give us more information about it from his view.
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(Date Posted:03/01/2007 9:43 AM)
The only problem with this theory is this... The Others don't only take children. They took several people from the Others on the far side of the island, least of all children. The flight attendant was one of the people taken by the Others.
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(Date Posted:03/02/2007 12:54 AM)
I still think the Others expected the plane. when they exited their homes in the village, they immediately started looking up as if they expected to see something. at first it seemed like an earthquake so if they werent expecting anything, im sure they would have been looking down, at eachothers houses.
Ofcourse the Others want the Lostees to believe the crash was random, so that when they get rescued or get home eventually, they will not know what is really going on. ofcourse because its a show, im sure they will figure it all out because the Others underestimated them. I think its all a part of Bens con. he is making them believe something, even letting them think the others are after them, just to hide the true reason.
I think Jack was brought by ben for his own selfish reasons, he wanted to live. This one selfish act might be the reason that their plans fail. I do like your theory on the no children and them bringing Juliet to help that situation, but i dont think they were stranded or anything like that.
They clearly have DHARMA connections, somehow, or they wouldnt be getting the supplies, nor would they have the outside information. I think they were part of a science team that arrived in the 70's or something like that, maybe earlier even. Ben could be the son of an original DHARMA scientist, and perhaps the parents trained their children. I think that the incident in 1985 may have caused them to be impotent, because at that time in their lives, they may not have been thinking about children. now that they are growing older, maybe they want to continue their blood lines so they can remain on the island after the whole global virus thing pans out.
I dont think their village is their Utopia, rather, since they have to live there long term, they want to have all the comforts of the outside world. If they were survivors of some crash or something themselves, there is no way that they could have made those villages. those houses would be one thing, but they have books, CD's, couches all the normal amenities of our society, minus Television or internet(atleast we havent seen that yet)
that is just their arrangement, they live there, work on the island etc... I think for the utopia, they are meaning more global, not just their village, but i definetely think our theories can be combined. I admit my theory could be updated given recent information, but its all still plausible...
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(Date Posted:03/02/2007 11:02 PM)
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I still think the Others expected the plane. when they exited their homes in the village, they immediately started looking up as if they expected to see something. at first it seemed like an earthquake so if they werent expecting anything, im sure they would have been looking down, at eachothers houses.Ofcourse the Others want the Lostees to believe the crash was random, so that when they get rescued or get home eventually, they will not know what is really going on. ofcourse because its a show, im sure they will figure it all out because the Others underestimated them. I think its all a part of Bens con. he is making them believe something, even letting them think the others are after them, just to hide the true reason.I think Jack was brought by ben for his own selfish reasons, he wanted to live. This one selfish act might be the reason that their pl
or maybe the others heard the plane making all those noises and then looked up? i dont know just an idea.
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(Date Posted:03/05/2007 10:32 PM)
the plane makes a very distinct noice that is y they look up
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(Date Posted:03/05/2007 11:31 PM)
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they didnt hear it at first, all they felt was what appeared to be an earthquake. if they heard the plane right away, they would look right at it, instead, they were scanning the skies looking for the plane. they would all automatically look right at the plane when they came out of their homes, they wouldnt need to look around
Well actually they heard the earthquake and then they look up as they heard the plane.
THey didnt expect the earth quake to happen, that is why they were all shooken up when it happened.
THey didnt even know what was going on when desmond turned the key.
The plane crash was on accident, but the 'Others' used it to their advantage.
Ben, in his sincerity, said that he found out he had a turmor, then a surgen droppen out of the sky.
THat is why he said he wouldnt be in Juliet's book club, because he though he would be dying.
Since he though he would be dying, it would be most logical to comclude that he didnt expect the plane crash, and in other words didnt expect Jack and all the other 'Lost'eesto arrive.
THe Others had no idea of their comming. That is why they had to make sudden plans, because the island is a SECRET UTTOPIA, they dont wnat people finding them.
And thats how we know their settlement is on the island where the plane crashed, because Ben told Ethan and Goodwin (of what ever his name was) to go to two separate sides of the island.
Good - we cleared up the argument about the other knowing the plane was going to crash - THEY DIDN'T
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 12:11 AM)
na, its theres too many coincedences for that plane to be random, that plane was meant to go to that island. Perhaps it was supposed to land, not crash, but it was meant to get there regardless. There is no way that Hurley could have been on a plane that randomly crashed on an island with the same lottery numbers written on the hatch, or for Eko to crash on an island where his brother crashed, and Charlie the heroin addict to land on an island with a massive supply of heroin. not to mention the fact that Jack and Claire are long lost siblings(im pretty sure that will be revealed in the claire episode next week) and for all the other little things.
It could have been any plane, not just that plane, it was all meant to happen, the odds of it being random are like 1 in 100 trillion, its more likely to get struck by lightning 10 times in the same place, run into an alive and healthy Elvis, and get abducted by aliens, while discovering the cure for cancer. in other words, thats no coincedence.
I think that plane was expected, however the others might not have a reliable source of information from the outside world, so perhaps they were only informed that a plane would arrive some time within say that month, not given an exact time or location. when the plane arrived, the whole desmond thing happened, and the plane accidently crashed, however most people survived due to the islands healing powers or something. I still think the people on that plane were meant to arrive, perhaps all except Jack, who was brought on through some selfish efforts of Ben trying to save himself. I think that since Jack wasnt meant to come originally, maybe he will be a big part of the reason that DHARMA's plan will be stopped....
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 12:37 AM)
I dont think that Jack is going to be the one who stops it all. I really dont know what will happen, and if it even will stop. Who says there is a happy ending? but the writers have had the whole scheme of things figured out from day one... and they originaly planned on killing Jack in one of the first episodes... so i dont think he would be a key element in the final outcome alone. yes i think he will be now... but he wasnt important from the start. so ben making him come on the plane for himself wouldnt fit if he had died right away. well i guess he could have wanted him on the plane even though he died right away... but its not like jack is their only chance
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 1:00 AM)
dont forget the producers only knew roughly how it would end. they have a plan, but the details on getting there could be toyed with along the way. yea Jack was supposed to die, but just because of that doesnt mean is isnt important now. perhaps the producers just knew that someone was going to have a big role, but who it was isnt that important. Maybe they planned on Locke or Sawyer being the hero, hell, more then likely there will be multiple heroes, everyone having a role in the endgame.
I agree that there should be no guarantee of a happy ending, in fact, i like movies where the ending isnt so happy, like Saw 2, or Hostel. Id love it if they get rescued and its all happy times, and then they get home and spread a virus killing billions and leave the world in shambles!
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 1:51 AM)
that is a wonderfull theory jdevery - it fits in very well - but ill need more information to actually believe it yet
- it ties in very well and sounds very probable
the thing thats annoying is you cant be 100% sure becouse
they could just not be in the mood to have babies or there not alloud to have babies BECOUSE of the viruse or somthing like that
lots of fill-ins
but over all your explanation is wonderfull
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 6:58 AM)
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Well actually they heard the earthquake and then they look up as they heard the plane.
THey didnt expect the earth quake to happen, that is why they were all shooken up when it happened.
THey didnt even know what was going on when desmond turned the key.
The plane crash was on accident, but the 'Others' used it to their advantage.
I think you put it perfectly there. I don't believe for a second that the Others planned, or had the ability to "bring" the plane to the island. If the plane, and the people on it, was brought there by anything, it was fate. An often forgotten overlying theme of the show.
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 9:06 AM)
could be fate, but everything could be an elaborate scheme that was decades in the making. that could make it seem like fate, but in reality its someone planning out peoples lives!
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 5:36 PM)
I believe that the others may have inhabited the land long, long ago. I believe that is where the ship remnants that they found, come into play.
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 7:46 PM)
Brotha-
Interesting thought about how Jack was supposed to be killed off in the first episode. The writers have probably had to rethink/rewrite alot of what the original plan was as they continued to build an originally expendable character into a main character.
I think it will be interesting to find out, once the show is over, from the writers and producers how they came up with such an elaborately intertwined story line and the changes they had to make along the way. I bet the bonus features on the last DVD set will be super long and very interesting to us die hard fans.
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 7:46 PM)
Brotha-
Interesting thought about how Jack was supposed to be killed off in the first episode. The writers have probably had to rethink/rewrite alot of what the original plan was as they continued to build an originally expendable character into a main character.
I think it will be interesting to find out, once the show is over, from the writers and producers how they came up with such an elaborately intertwined story line and the changes they had to make along the way. I bet the bonus features on the last DVD set will be super long and very interesting to us die hard fans.
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 10:50 PM)
All good theories about the others. However in Juliettes flaskback, Ethan was there so they must be able to leave. And if they can leave, why can,t they get children from somewhere else. Noone would even think to look for islands that dont exist for missing children.
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(Date Posted:03/07/2007 10:56 PM)
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na, its theres too many coincedences for that plane to be random, that plane was meant to go to that island. Perhaps it was supposed to land, not crash, but it was meant to get there regardless. There is no way that Hurley could have been on a plane that randomly crashed on an island with the same lottery numbers written on the hatch, or for Eko to crash on an island where his brother crashed, and Charlie the heroin addict to land on an island with a massive supply of heroin. not to mention the fact that Jack and Claire are long lost siblings(im pretty sure that will be revealed in the claire episode next week) and for all the other little things.It could have been any plane, not just that plane, it was all meant to happen, the odds of it being random are like 1 in 100 trillion, its more likely to get struck by lightning 10 times in the same place, run into an
You are correct the odds of it happening are slim, but then again if we took apart every movie and literary work and analysed the odds and statistics of the actually happenings of some thing we would miss out on the story line and plot. Every novel or movie has a part where you would say, "that would never happen in real life." So the part were the majority of of the passengers have an exterior tie to the island is that piece. Notice i say 'Majority' of the passangers. I shouldn't say that. I should say minority, for we only looked into few people who have a connection, few meaning less than 10, out of the, how many was it, 40 people. that only 25% that have a tie, so far as the story has shown us, to the island. And you can bsically, within reason, tie anything from your past to fit anything in your present.
For example:
When Jimmy was younger his parents would always go to an island for vacation without him. When he got older he got into a plane crash on an island, that he, because of his circumstances, beleives is the one his parent went to.
Our jimmy could of had a favorite book about an island, or he used to play a game in his backyard that had an imaginary island, or he had a layout of an island as a play set, or he was a painter and drew sceneries of islands. Its like statistics: you can tie any statistic to any theory. ALong the same lines, the is a greater change for the passenger not to be able to somehow tie ONE thing out of the BILLIONS of thing from their past to something on the island.
THat looks more like a 1 in a billion chance that it was not set up, rather than it being set up.
And if the others have the ability to see television from the outside world, im sure they have the ability to comunicate with their other DHARMA members.
Their is a less probibility in all of these passanger being put on to one plane at their own will by a mysterious program, who set up the crash (where the pilots die non the less [who would fly a plane to an mysterious island for a group of people is they knew they were going to die] ) so that the people they didn't want to kill could be used than the chance that the people coinsidentaly crash-landed on this island with no premeditated action on the part of the now know DHARMA program.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2007 1:04 AM)
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All good theories about the others. However in Juliettes flaskback, Ethan was there so they must be able to leave. And if they can leave, why can,t they get children from somewhere else. Noone would even think to look for islands that dont exist for missing children.
I was thinking about Juliettes flashbacks, and realized that she's the only "Other" that has had a flashback. I think that this could indicate that she's not really an Other, although, I've thought her not to be before I thought of that. However, even though I don't think Reussau is an Other, buy that logic, since she hasn't had a flashback, maybe that means that she is.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2007 8:11 AM)
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Brotha-Interesting thought about how Jack was supposed to be killed off in the first episode. The writers have probably had to rethink/rewrite alot of what the original plan was as they continued to build an originally expendable character into a main character.I think it will be interesting to find out, once the show is over, from the writers and producers how they came up with such an elaborately intertwined story line and the changes they had to make along the way. I bet the bonus features on the last DVD set will be super long and very interesting to us die hard fans.
This is true. Jack WAS supposed to be killed off, however during the limited preview engagements, the reviews from the audience were overwhelming. They loved Jacks character. Also one more tidbit of info, Michael Keaton was slated to play Jack, but turned the part down citing that he didn't have the time.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2007 8:07 PM)
Even though Ethan was shown in Juliette's flashback, the doesn't necessarily mean he left the island. Maybe he had not yet arrived to the island.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2007 9:37 PM)
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Even though Ethan was shown in Juliette's flashback, the doesn't necessarily mean he left the island. Maybe he had not yet arrived to the island.
No it does, because the leader that was trying to get juliet to take the job said he was from, and works at the location; the location that juliet was going to go to, or the island.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2007 9:43 PM)
Oh. My bad. I didn't hear/remember that.
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(Date Posted:03/14/2007 12:49 AM)
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I dont think thats proof that he was at the island. for all we know, he just worked for dharma before and then they went to the island. we havent seen anyone leave the island as of yet(atleast successfully anyway)
We just learned that the 'Others' are not part of Dharma, but they were the hostles. The last Dharma mamber found was with desmond.
So Ethan was a Hostle who was at the island...
That brings up an interesting question:
The hostles, were they always are the island, well obviously not, because Ethan was once in the outside world.
ALSO **** Maybe ETHAN and JULIET crashlanded on the island, and the hostles took over.
Very interesting
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(Date Posted:03/14/2007 10:31 AM)
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well, i kno for certain that Ben will have a flashback episode this season, most likely during the season finale. Juliet will also have another flashback, i think in about 4-5 episodes.
Jmarcroyal, I just had a question.....How in the hell did you know
1. about Jack and Claire being siblings? Like were there any certain signs that led you to the conclusion, cause to be honest I had no inkling this would be the case until I heard there was an American doctor in Claire's mother's room.
2. And exactly how do you know that there will be a flashback for Ben, as well as one for Juliet. Do you know the producers or
something?
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(Date Posted:03/14/2007 3:40 PM)
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Jmarcroyal, I just had a question.....How in the hell did you know1. about Jack and Claire being siblings? Do you know the producers orsomething?
He guessed it because:
a) Jack's dad was in Australia banging on a woman's door demanding to see his daughter.
b) Claire is the *only* Australian girl who survived the plane crash that we care anything about as viewers. (ie: Cindy doesn't count because we, as viewers, don't connect with her on an empathetic level)
It was a logical conclusion that anyone could have made. In fact, many people have made this connection before, on this board and on others.
Do you really think that if anyone knew the producers that well that they would waste their time with a discussion board about things they already know? That would be awfully self-indulgent...
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