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rlow
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(Date Posted:05/28/2006 9:44 AM)
OK. here I go. I have been holding back to respond to this because I heard if you say anyting that youwill be banned from the club. I have been holding off signing up as a member because I heard that to be a member of the KMA you had to go before the board with creditinals. The current membership director requries creditionals from member wishing to renew their membership with the kma. Is this ture? I am appalled to hear that you must provide information about your experience or qualifications to be a member. Is this legal? How can this be? Is the Kma requiring this from all members? Has anyone else had to go through this? Please, let me know. I have been approached to look into this. I need more information from others that have been put through this degree of scrutiny. If there appears to be any type of discrimitation or bias, I would appreciate hearing from you immediately. Please contact me directly. Rebecca L ESQ
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(Date Posted:05/28/2006 10:06 AM)
Rebecca, firstly I think you should have started a new thread to address any issues that you may have. It will be lost in here, as this is where Jillian kindly put up her regulations for posting in this section.
I can assure you, as I believe I am one of the, if not thee, newest member to join the KMA, that credentials are not required. All you need to do is to download the proper form, fill it in and send in your membership fee. As it is all done through the mail and by volunteer's who graciously donate a lot of time and effort to the board, it takes a little bit for you to receive your membership information back in the mail. Being that it is spring and we are all in full swing of working outside...it might take more than the 10 or so days it took for mine to be returned. I have not heard of anyone being banned from the Association for asking a question, but I am also new to this myself. I think as long as you keep your head and use common courtesy and respect, there wouldn't be anything to worry about.
Jillian, you are a brave woman for setting up this section and I can understand your apprehensions to doing so. I would hope that everyone will respect your request and keep things under control. From what I have seen, heard and read over the last year, you will be hard pressed to have it remain civil. For this I am saddened...as that was the main reason for me almost not joining...the constant battles, but this board changed that for me. This board has been a quiet respite and holds a wealth of knowledge...exactly what new enthusiasts like myself need. And again, I thank you for taking on the task of opening it up to all of us.
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(Date Posted:05/28/2006 10:52 PM)
"OK. here I go. I have been holding back to respond to this because I heard if you say anyting that youwill be banned from the club. I have been holding off signing up as a member because I heard that to be a member of the KMA you had to go before the board with creditinals. The current membership director requries creditionals from member wishing to renew their membership with the kma. Is this ture? I am appalled to hear that you must provide information about your experience or qualifications to be a member. Is this legal? How can this be? Is the Kma requiring this from all members? Has anyone else had to go through this? Please, let me know. I have been approached to look into this. I need more information from others that have been put through this degree of scrutiny. If there appears to be any type of discrimitation or bias, I would appreciate hearing from you immediately. Please contact me directly. Rebecca L ESQ"
Hello Rebecca L ESQ,
I am Cheryl Walsh, the membership director, whom you are talking about in your post above. I would like to know who you have been talking to because you are receiving 2nd hand partial information taken out of context which has been slanted to make me look bad.
In a recent board meeting, I asked about the credentials of a person in our organization because there were people that were saying that this person knew a lot about a certain subject that was being discussed often among members of our group. The subject is DNA testing and results. I wanted to know the credentials of the person who was talking about this topic a lot because I wanted to make sure that this person knew what he/she was talking about before we took the information seriously. Credentials had absolutely nothing to do with whether this person was going to be allowed to be a member or not. Someone in the organization then described the credentials of the person that I was asking about and I was VERY satisfied with the background and experience of the person in question as to his/her qualifications to speak to the subject of DNA testing and results.
Noone has been banned from the club because of their credentials or lack thereof and noone has been banned from the club for speaking their mind. If that were true, there would be no members. You have been sent on a "wild goose chase".
Cheryl Walsh/Membership Director
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cindy966
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(Date Posted:05/29/2006 4:07 PM)
I was never asked for credentials to join.
I think it's a good idea to have this new thread. I think it's important to keep all the political stuff in it and not elsewhere. I'll go for optimism and say it's going to work! Thanks to Jillian for being the moderator.
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 12:20 AM)
Reply to CHERYL:
In 2002, I asked several questions which resulted in me being banned or barred from KMA membership. Since that time, the President has told me on several occasions that I should never try to renew my membership or submit any application for membership again. Does your statement above mean that I may now do so due to a change in policy with regard to my membership? I am not the only past member who has been banned or barred from KMA membership. After all, you must be a member of the KMA club in order to show in Kiger classes at Kigerfest. Non-members are barred even though they have KMA-registered Kigers. What is your position on this issue?
Janice
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SassyLas
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 2:34 AM)
quote from previous message "the President has told me on several occasions that I should never try to renew
my membership or submit any application for membership again".
Are you referring to KMA? Who was the president? How could that be allowed?
quote "Does your statement above mean that I may now do so due to a change in policy with regard to my membership?"
Why would you want membership if members are treated this way?
It has been going around in the Kiger circel that the KMA board reviewed someones membership application for approval and initally denied his membership. Also was asked for qualifications and experience before approval to member was given. Can a non profit legally do this? Are all members put through this type of review?
or just when the board does not want them in?
Is there anyone that attended this meeting and willing to come forward and give their coments about this? Did it really happen?
Sassy
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Walsh
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 3:10 AM)
Hi Janice,
My position on this issue is not what counts, what counts is the Board's and membership's position on this. I have only one vote.
Hi SassyLas,
You are just repeating what "rlow" talked about earlier. I have already described what took place at that meeting in a post above with this topic. It's interesting that both you and "rlow" who used to be an esquire?, are not willing to share your profiles or email addresses.
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 4:14 AM)
Have the "rules" changed, Cheryl? Do the Board of Directors and the members vote on the status of membership applications and renewals? Perhaps there is a KMA member "listening" to this MB who could share some information on whether or not they voted on a membership application or renewal?
Yes, if membership would allow me to show my Kiger stallion at Kigerfest, then I would pay to be a member. On the otherhand, if KMA would allow ALL eligible Kigers to compete in Kiger classes and not just the club horses, then there would be no need to hassle KMA about this issue. It appears that this event is prejudice or bias to just a few horses and KMA is not willing to open the event up to the other thousand horses that are equally capable and qualifying.
Janice
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cindy966
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 5:43 PM)
Hi Janice,
I was wondering why you even care about participating in anything KMA. I thought you had your own registry so you would not need to be part of KMA.
Also, I don't know your past with KMA but I did think it was extremely unprofessional that you pulled e-mail addresses from the KMA website to try to coax people to your registry. At least you did that with me. Even if you had something good to offer I would not have considered it with tactics like this.
Rather than start more turmoil with the KMA, why don't you continue to develop your alternative and do your own shows, etc. wtih the other thousand horses? It sounds to me like there is too much bad blood to try to make things work for you in the KMA. It sounds like it would be better for all concerned to keep your thing apart from theirs.
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 6:19 PM)
Hi Cindy (here's your quote)
"I was wondering why you even care about participating in anything KMA. I thought you had your own registry so you would not need to be part of KMA."
REPLY: You must be new to this arena. I care about KMA because I deeply care about the breed. Yes, I do have another registry, but its concept is different from the other registries and I intend to keep it that way. That does not mean that I completely disapprove of the concepts of the other registries and, because AKHR is non-profit, it is not in competition with any of the other associations or registries. In fact, some of the registries belong to other similar organizations in order to further the breed. OHA is an example of that. The bottom line is that just because you "belong" to one group, you do not have to hate all the others.
"Also, I don't know your past with KMA but I did think it was extremely unprofessional that you pulled e-mail addresses from the KMA website to try to coax people to your registry. At least you did that with me. Even if you had something good to offer I would not have considered it with tactics like this."
REPLY: Cindy, I believe I replied to you privately through an email, but under no circumstances, would I have coaxed you or anyone else, to AKHR. I do not operate that way. I have been accused of being too professional and aloof. Except for 2 occasions, I have responded to AKHR inquiries within 24 hours and promptly issued Certificates of Registration.
"Rather than start more turmoil with the KMA, why don't you continue to develop your alternative and do your own shows, etc. wtih the other thousand horses? It sounds to me like there is too much bad blood to try to make things work for you in the KMA. It sounds like it would be better for all concerned to keep your thing apart from theirs."
REPLY: I did not start the turmoil with KMA - I just started asking questions. I do keep my "thing" apart from theirs. As I said above, AKHR has a concept that is different from the others. I believe that KMA can change its policies regarding membership, member voting, show rules, registration of certain non-eligible horses, etc. Do you have any idea how much it costs to sponsor a horse show? AKHR's budget is nonexistent for that type of event. A portion of the $10 registration fee goes to postage and certificates and the balance goes to BLM Kiger HMAs. I am sure that even you can figure out the numbers. Everyone agrees that we must get this breed out in front of the public. There are a number of events that Kigers can complete in and the important ones draw large crowds and have certified judges. The shows in Nevada and the Buckskin shows are only 2 examples of this. AKHR is not in competition with anyone. Each of the other registries has a lot to offer and anyone who ignores this fact is either stupid or so full of hate that it really is not worth discussing.
REPLY TO CHERYL - below is a quote from the KMA board.
LindaH quote from KMA MB on 7/10/06 - thread, Annual Meeting 2006. "With a current membership roster of 136 members, we needed twenty eight to acheive [sic] a quorum of 20%"
IF they failed to achieve a quorum for an important event such as an annual meeting, I wonder if about that same number of members compete at KigerFest? Does anyone have those statistics? If so, KigerFest is not representative of the breed and appears to be prejudicial and discriminatory in nature when only a small handful of Kigers are allowed to compete. I guess I should say that it would appear that KMA's rules appear to be that way.
Allowing Kiger owners to join KMA at Kigerfest would help increase competition and membership. Oh, that would not work, would it? No one would be able to vote on whether or not that Kiger owner should be a member. Are KMA members afraid of a little competition from Kigers who are registered with SMKR, AKHR and CMKR? Perhaps if the carefully-inspected and scrutinized horses are given a bit of competition, things could change.
Cheryl, as membership director, don't you think that broadening the membership, allowing legal voting by members, and opening up your annual event to all qualifying Kigers would put a feather in your cap?
Cindy - see, just more questions.
Janice
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 6:36 PM)
WOW! Qute the welcome from Cindy to perspective new member!!! I have seen other written things in past by this Cindy very negative and arguementive. Cheryl and she must be cut from the same mold. Does KMA always treat people like this? I would type up resume to send in with member app since this is needed now. Does member get to be there when app is reviewed?
Sassy
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 7:02 PM)
Reply to : SassyLas
WOW! Qute the welcome from Cindy to perspective new member!!! I have seen other written things in past by this Cindy very negative and arguementive. Cheryl and she must be cut from the same mold. Does KMA always treat people like this? I would type up resume to send in with member app since this is needed now. Does member get to be there when app is reviewed?Sassy
SASSY -
Howdy. [Chuckle, chuckle]. And Lord only knows a need a few more of those.
That's a good question. You can bet your boots that if my application were to be up for review, they would want to drill me in person. It is my understanding that recently at least one other person was drilled by the BD way past the point of being very unreasonable during the "interview." If I recall properly, the adjectives used to describe the situation were humiliating, degrading, and embarrassing. Please excuse any errors in spelling.
Enjoy your day, Sassy. It's too hot here to do anything except paint the ceiling and walls. Catch ya' later. Janice
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Walsh
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 10:16 PM)
WOW! Qute the welcome from Cindy to perspective new member!!! I have seen other written things in past by this Cindy very negative and arguementive. Cheryl and she must be cut from the same mold. Does KMA always treat people like this? I would type up resume to send in with member app since this is needed now. Does member get to be there when app is reviewed?
Sassy
Hi Sassy,
Just for the record, I do not know who cindy966 is. I'm curious as to how you can make a statement like Cindy and I are cut from the same mold, when, as far as I know, we don't know you and you don't know us. I don't know who you are because you do not share your profile or email address. Why are you hiding??? Is it because you have something to hide? It seems very easy for you to criticize and judge people behind the wall that you have built.
" Does KMA always treat people like this?" .........I have been a member for almost 7 years now and have been on the board at least twice. The people of KMA are just like any other people, they treat people with kindness and courtesy until someone turns on them and attacks them, degrades them in public forums, threatens them with lawsuits, etc.
" I would type up resume to send in with member app since this is needed now. Does member get to be there when app is reviewed? " .....................What an imagination you have!
Until you reveal your true identity, you need to be viewed as a troll just like "rlow", who used to be Esquire.
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 10:35 PM)
Cheryl -
Who appointed you as JUDGE? To say that " you need to be viewed as a troll" until you know this individual's "true identity" is just another example of KMA's prejudicial and discriminatory attitudes. Why not address the other questions that have been asked of you in this thread instead of trying to change the subject or draw attention elsewhere?
Janice
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Walsh
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 10:51 PM)
Hi Janice,From what I remember, you resigned your membership a while back.You are free to apply for membership but the board will need to approve the membership. Our Rules are voted on by the membership and stand until the membership votes to change them.
By-Laws
ARTICLE IV-MEMBERSHIP
The membership of the KMA shall consist of those individuals who make
proper application and submit the prescribed membership fees. The board
of Directors reserves the right to deny membership to any applicant.
Section 6. Reinstatement of Removed Members
A member who has been removed from the active membership roll for
resignation or expulsion may apply for reinstatement by again filling
out the regular application form and be accepted by a two-thirds (2/3)
vote of the Board.
You stated:
Cheryl, as membership director, don't you think that broadening the membership, allowing legal voting by members, and opening up your annual event to all qualifying Kigers would put a feather in your cap?
Janice,
I have done some things to increase membership. As for allowing legal voting by members and opening up Kigerfest for all qualifying Kigers, that is not up to me, it is up to the Board and the membership, I have only one vote. I don't know of anyone that is afraid of more competition at the show. We try to just have some fun. Janice, I am not looking to put a feather in my cap. I only want to help promote the magnificent, unique horse called the Kiger Mustang.
You also stated:
if my application were to be up for review, they would want to drill me in person. It is my understanding that recently at least one other person was drilled by the BD way past the point of being very unreasonable during the "interview."
Noone, who has tried to renew their membership, has been drilled in person. There was no interview. You have been given inaccurate information.
Cheryl Walsh
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 11:05 PM)
Cheryl -Who appointed you as JUDGE? To say that " you need to be viewed as a troll" until you know this individual's "true identity" is just another example of KMA's prejudicial and discriminatory attitudes. Why not address the other questions that have been asked of you in this thread instead of trying to change the subject or draw attention elsewhere?
Janice,
As you were posting this, I was in the process of addressing your other questions on a reply form. Why is it considered to be judging someone when I ask them to take their mask off? They are the ones that are judging someone on a public forum behind an assumed name. You say this is another example of KMAs prejudicial and discriminatory attitudes.,.........I only speak for myself, not for KMA as an entity.
Janice, I could acquire an assumed name, go on this message board and say some things about you that you wouldn't agree with, that you knew were not true. Would you not want to know who was accusing you, where they were getting their information from,... or was it just a desire on their part to make one more person in KMA look bad, using whatever means possible?
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 11:06 PM)
Cheryl
I did not resign my membership. My check for renewal was refused and Mac was the one that told me several times to not apply again. I will ask each director, when the opportunity arises, what their position is on the issues that you have been asked here. You have one vote just like the other directors and officers. We want to know what your position is on the questions asked and we will ask the other the same questions.
If a 2/3 vote on any application is required, do you feel that I would have stand any chance in *** of having my application approved knowing that my position on operating the registry in a legal manner would again come to the surface?
What is your position on signing up new members and renewing memberships at KigerFest?
What is your position on allowing ALL eligible Kigers compete in the Kiger classes at KigerFest?
If any of the other Board members are following this thread, perhaps they could also share their positions on the above issues.
Janice
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 11:17 PM)
Cheryl
Your quote -"You say this is another example of KMAs prejudicial and discriminatory attitudes.,.........I only speak for myself, not for KMA as an entity. " REPLY: In the beginning of this thread, you represented yourself as Membership Director. That makes you representative of KMA and the "only speak for myself" stuff goes out the window. You can't do both at the same time.
"Janice, I could acquire an assumed name, go on this message board and say some things about you that you wouldn't agree with, that you knew were not true. Would you not want to know who was accusing you, where they were getting their information from,... or was it just a desire on their part to make one more person in KMA look bad, using whatever means possible? " REPLY: Sure I would, but I would not call them names, acuse them wrongly until proof was presented, pre-judge their intentions, and place labels on them. Again, you are Membership Director and a representative of KMA, and as such, may be held "accountable" for your representations .
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 11:30 PM)
"I did not resign my membership. My check for renewal was refused"
Janice,
I was present at the meeting where you resigned your membership. I heard you say it yourself, that you wanted to resign your membership. Any member who resigns their membership has to reapply as stated in the rules that I quoted above. If your check was refused, it is because you had not reapplied for membership.
If a 2/3 vote on any application is required, do you feel that I would have stand any chance in *** of having my application approved knowing that my position on operating the registry in a legal manner would again come to the surface?......
All you can do is try. You are free to ask any Board members.
What is your position on signing up new members and renewing memberships at KigerFest?...........
New members and renewed members are welcome to sign up at Kigerfest following the rules that I quoted above.
What is your position on allowing ALL eligible Kigers compete in the Kiger classes at KigerFest?...
I would love it, but our rules as decided by the Board and the Membership state that you have to be a member................................Personally, I would love to attend a show where ALL ELIGIBLE KIGERS could come together in one place and compete and have fun. And wouldn't it be heavenly if the owners could do the same?
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 11:38 PM)
Cheryl
Perhaps you could share a copy of the minutes from that meeting where I allegedly resigned. That is not the way it happened. KMA president at the time, Frank R., told me that the Board of Directors refused to accept my check for renewal at the annual board meeting and I never received my check back.
It would be great if this MB could hear from the other Board members regarding the issues presented here. If you could pass the request on to the others, it would be appreciated. Discussion could perhaps bring resolution.
Janice
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(Date Posted:08/05/2006 11:55 PM)
In the beginning of this thread, you represented yourself as Membership Director. That makes you representative of KMA and the "only speak for myself" stuff goes out the window. You can't do both at the same time......
If that is the case, then I will have to stop answering these posts by myself, because I can not speak for the other Board members, and you can be sure that they don't all agree with what I am saying here, they do have minds of their own.
Sure I would, but I would not call them names, acuse them wrongly until proof was presented, pre-judge their intentions, and place labels on them. Again, you are Membership Director and a representative of KMA, and as such, may be held "accountable" for your representations....... .
So, you are defending anyone that goes on any board with a hidden name and profile, makes accusations, fires cheap shots at people, and posts questions that are intentionally designed to "stir up the pot"? Janice, that just doesn't sound like you or who I thought you were. I guess we can all be held "accountable" for our representations whether we are Board members or not.
I used the name "troll" because another person who posts on this message board first called "rlow" by that name a while back. But those posts have been removed.
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AmericanKigers
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 12:08 AM)
Ah, come on Cheryl -
Now you are wrongfully accusing me of defending anyone that goes on any board with a hidden name and profile, makes accusations, fires cheap shots at people, and posts questions that are intentionally designed to "stir up the pot." I was not defending anyone!!!! I recognize their right to speak, whatever name they use. That does not mean that I agree or disagree with their statements or intentions. I just do not have the right to call them names without proof. If they draw you into a stirred-pot situation, then who is the fool for responding?
Yes, each of us can be held accountable for any representations that we make, either as individuals or board members, and the scarry thing is, is does not even have to be in writing.
Let's see if we can't get some of the other KMA board members to discuss the issues. I truly believe it is past time for resolution of a lot of things.
Janice
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 1:49 AM)
"If they draw you into a stirred-pot situation, then who is the fool for responding?" ..........
That would be me. My profile and email address are out in the open.
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 2:30 AM)
By-Laws
ARTICLE IV-MEMBERSHIP
The membership of the KMA shall consist of those individuals who make
proper application and submit the prescribed membership fees. The board
of Directors reserves the right to deny membership to any applicant.
Section 6. Reinstatement of Removed Members
A member who has been removed from the active membership roll for
resignation or expulsion may apply for reinstatement by again filling
out the regular application form and be accepted by a two-thirds (2/3)
vote of the Board.
It states "REMOVED members" in the title. Removed implies that the member was forced out by BOD or membership vote. Again, "removed... for resignation or explusion", implies that they were asked to resign or were expelled from the group. I don't know of any organization that hold sanctions against people that "resign" or withdraw their membership freely of their own free will.
This has been a thorn in my side. It is too ambiguous!!! I brought this up at the Albany meeting when the BOD used it to vote on my husband's membership after he "resigned" even though he hadn't even joined in the first place (his membership was paid by a third party with no application submitted).
By the way, Oregon Statues reads: 65.131 Admission.
(2) No person shall be admitted as a member without consent of the person, express or implied. [1989 c.1010 ?9]
My husband was notified by phone call from the then President that his membership had been paid. My husband asked the President to withdraw his membership and refund the money to the person...that he didn't want to join at the time (we were up in Alaska). The president told him that "it would be taken care of". Later, we found that it hadn't been taken care of when roll was called for the Madras KigerFest meeting. He answered his name with "resign" because he was illegally 'joined' to the association. This year, he sent his application in in January. It was not addressed until the Albany March meeting. Even though his check was cashed and his name was placed on the membership list before the meeting. They did not ask for him to be present when they discussed his application. A vote was taken and it failed. Not all BOD people were present. One BOD member brought up that my husband would be invaluable to have in the association especially when it came to discussing scientific items. Dicussion ensued where several members of BOD commented that they felt "bullied by him", that he tended to "talk down to them" or "talk over their heads" when discussing scientific issues. I explained that if they had a problem with how my husband talked with them, that they might want to approach him about it. To date, not a single person has approached my husband regarding his "mannerisms". I was then asked about his "credentials". That was the exact word used. Again, no one asked for him to be present. I had no idea that this was going to come up and I was a bit beside myself that I would even be asked to state my husband's credentials. I stated that my husband had done several DNA studies within the University as well as with private firms. I guess that satisfied everyone's curiosity. A vote was made to reconsider the previous vote. That vote passed. By this time, the missing BOD member that had been out of the room for a few minutes returned. Another vote to consider my husband's "re-application" to the KMA was taken. This time it passed by one vote. Knowing his credentials seemed to be necessary for the revote to occur, so it did have something to do with his ability to become a member 'again'.
Personally, I think the whole thing was a bit over the top...but that is just my opinion. I now know just how Janice felt when she tried to re-apply of membership. I remember, I was a member of the BOD at the time. And she wasn't even allowed to be present when it was being discussed either. Somehow, I don't think that is right. A member should have every right to be present whenever they are being dicussed, be it voting on membership or reprimands/sanctions.
Jillian
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 4:43 AM)
As to people who keep their profiles private. After the experiences I have had with slanderous attacks I fully understand the desire to speak your mind while protecting yourself from abuse. We all have that right. So long as the materials are factual I see no problem. I keep copies of posts for any future eventuality. Computer experts and attornies can find the people behind the words if the need arrises. I will not conduct business over the phone with certain individuals as there is no record of the conversation. E-mail, posts, hardcopy writing and meeting recordings (video,tape,digital) are the only way for me. Document document document!
I have watched this from the sidelines and now feel the need to clear the air on a few things. I am the person who was so singularly treated by the KMA BOD. I was not at the meeting nor did I tape or cause it to be taped. I wanted to but Roland Chaney refused to allow me. He did inquire as to my motivation for wanting to tape the meeting and I explained it was for possible future legal reasons, evidence if you will. Since I could not independently record the meeting I stayed in my Hotel room.
I further want to state that I do not know the persons posting here with the following exceptions, my wife and Cheryl Walsh. I have heard of Janice and Chiger. Again I have not discussed this with anyone other than an attorney.
Norman C. McIntosh
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 5:39 AM)
"A member should have every right to be present whenever they are being dicussed, be it voting on membership or reprimands/sanctions. "
This applies to the Registration Committee also,....... right?
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 6:02 AM)
The revote on Norm did not occur because of his credentials, and from my point of view, did not have anything to do with his ability to become a member again.
Here is a repeat of what I stated before:
In a recent board meeting, I asked about the credentials of a person in our organization because there were people that were saying that this person knew a lot about a certain subject that was being discussed often among members of our group. The subject is DNA testing and results. I wanted to know the credentials of the person who was talking about this topic a lot because I wanted to make sure that this person knew what he/she was talking about before we took the information seriously. Credentials had absolutely nothing to do with whether this person was going to be allowed to be a member or not. Someone in the organization then described the credentials of the person that I was asking about and I was VERY satisfied with the background and experience of the person in question as to his/her qualifications to speak to the subject of DNA testing and results.
Norm stated:
"We all have that right. So long as the materials are factual I see no problem."
If you do not know who the people are that are posting, how do you know that the materials are factual? I know that some of the materials stated are not factual.
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 6:27 AM)
Reply to : Walsh
"A member should have every right to be present whenever they are being dicussed, be it voting on membership or reprimands/sanctions. " This applies to the Registration Committee also,....... right?
Yes, Cheryl, I agree. This should also apply to those secret Board meetings that are held under the guise of so-called executive session, when the "rules" specifically state that all meetings shall be open-door to the members. Unless, of course, the Board has changed that rule.
To be friendly, fair and follow the "rules," no member should be excluded from any meeting and anyone being discussed should receive prior written notice of the meeting, extending an invitation to be present.
The members should be allowed to actively participate and vote according to state law, and not just be a source of income for the Board.
What has happened in the past is unfortunate, but mistakes must be learned from so as to prevent them for re-occurring. All of the meetings, gatherings and events should be a pleasant situation instead of a hostile workplace.
Again, I would ask that other board members reply to these issues and any other matters of concern.
Janice
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 7:15 AM)
Walsh"A member should have every right to be present whenever they are being dicussed, be it voting on membership or reprimands/sanctions. " This applies to the Registration Committee also,....... right?
Yes........but big difference, no make that HUGE difference, the Reg Committee DID invite the two that were discussed. If the party/parity's being discussed choose not to attend, that is their choice. The current Board of Directors call "closed door meetings" to discuss individuals and REFUSE to allow the person being discused to attend the meetings. The current Board of Directors REFUSE to allow the person being discussed to give any input or defense.
Fair and reasonable? I think not. Not even close!
Betty
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(Date Posted:08/06/2006 7:28 AM)
The revote on Norm did not occur because of his credentials, and from my point of view, did not have anything to do with his ability to become a member again.
Then why was the credentials being asked for before the revote? The credentials were asked for after he was denied membership to the association and during the discussion for reconsideration for a revote. Coincidence?
I just hope that before the next Annual meeting, some rewrites the bylaw the pertains to this so that it is not so ambiguous. It needs to be clear cut....does it pertain to "removed" members or members that freely withdrew. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Jillian
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