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Title: Kinda off topic 6.5 TCU 'rifle' questions....
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(Date Posted:07/22/2005 11:26 PM)
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Hi all.... New guy here....been lurking awhile and was hoping that someone could help. I came here seeking help/advice being that this is 'your' shooting discipline and you guys are the experts on the TCU caliber(s) in question. I am looking to rebarrel a new Savage rifle in 223 cal. I was seriously looking at switching to 6.5 TCU. I am in need of a walking hunter/lite target rifle. Shooting target out to 300yds. and PA Whitetail are my intentions. From what I've read here about the loadings you use in your TC products, this cartridge seems like it would be very successful in a rifle with a barrel length of approx. 22-24" using the heavier bullets. IIRC the heavier 6.5 bullets are moving approx. 17-1800 fps in a 10" or 14" TC firearm. What could I realistically expect from a 22-24" barrel?? 2400 would be a good working velocity to shoot for, is it feasible without any adverse effects like brass or barrel trouble? Or would this project just be a waste of time?? I have a ton of 223 brass, the donor rifle, a good stock, and powder already to make this work. All I need is a barrel, heaspace guage, bullets , and dies. It would be a semi cheap conversion for me to a caliber that may fit my needs. In addition I have 5 grandsons with another on the way and I'll soon need to consider their beginning shooting needs. Light recoil and accuracy should be a plus with the 6.5 TCU. Anyway, any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking!! Brian
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(Date Posted:07/22/2005 11:26 PM)

Hi all....

New guy here....been lurking awhile and was hoping that someone could help. I came here seeking help/advice being that this is 'your' shooting discipline and you guys are the experts on the TCU caliber(s) in question.

I am looking to rebarrel a new Savage rifle in 223 cal. I was seriously looking at switching to 6.5 TCU. I am in need of a walking hunter/lite target rifle. Shooting target out to 300yds. and PA Whitetail are my intentions.

From what I've read here about the loadings you use in your TC products, this cartridge seems like it would be very successful in a rifle with a barrel length of approx. 22-24" using the heavier bullets. IIRC the heavier 6.5 bullets are moving approx. 17-1800 fps in a 10" or 14" TC firearm. What could I realistically expect from a 22-24" barrel?? 2400 would be a good working velocity to shoot for, is it feasible without any adverse effects like brass or barrel trouble? Or would this project just be a waste of time??

I have a ton of 223 brass, the donor rifle, a good stock, and powder already to make this work. All I need is a barrel, heaspace guage, bullets , and dies. It would be a semi cheap conversion for me to a caliber that may fit my needs. In addition I have 5 grandsons with another on the way and I'll soon need to consider their beginning shooting needs. Light recoil and accuracy should be a plus with the 6.5 TCU.

Anyway, any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking!!

Brian

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(Date Posted:07/23/2005 3:24 AM)

Have you considered the standard 7 TCU? Still good versatality, able to go from 120 grains bullets up to 160, 175 grain bullets if you want. In a 4 pound gun fired from one hand for a 40 shot match, recoil is a factor. But coming from a shoulder fired gun, recoil with either will be next to nothing.
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(Date Posted:07/23/2005 4:03 AM)

Thats kinda what I was trying to do.... rifle with not alot of recoil, excellent accuracy and easy to feed. The 7TCU is an option but I was trying to see if I could duplicate or come close to the 6.5x55 Swede. Looks like it could be close.

Like I said just trying to see if this is a feasible project. Thanks for the reply!!

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(Date Posted:07/23/2005 5:00 AM)

I have to agree with Rich on this one. I would make the rifle a 7 TCU vs. the 6.5. I have both in the handguns and they both work fine for our game. I think you will have better bullet selection in the 7 caliber.
Many years ago we built up a 7 TCU rifle for another sillywet shooter in a Ruger #1. It shot awesome! 200 meter chickens became boring after awhile.
Ill bet ole Jim Harris can kick in some better statistics on this subject too.
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(Date Posted:07/23/2005 7:21 AM)

I guess I'll take the opposite position and vote for the 6.5 TC/U.  The reason is that 6.5mm bullets have a much better BC than 7mm bullets.  It'll shoot flatter & buck the wind better.  The Sierra 142 or Berger 140's would be killers!

Brian, if you decide on the 6.5, I have a ton of load data that was given me.  It was developed using a Bullberry barrelled XP-100.

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(Date Posted:07/23/2005 11:06 PM)

Thats the direction I was headed with the 6.5 bullet. I figure if you can keep the velocity at 2400+ fps and a 140-ish bullet with a BC of close/above .5, you should be able to harness the benefits of the 6.5. The 6.5 Swede is hard to beat. That's the goal. Get the 6.5 TCU in that area safely and functionally.

The 7mm TCU is my back up round. I have read that it is known for 'great' accuracy. But I am in need of a dual purpose rifle. I haven't seen enough info/data on this cartridge 'yet'. I would be worried about low velocity with the heavier rounds.

I'm trying for a 300 yd. target shooter / sub-200 yd. PA whitetail gun. One of these 2 rounds looks to be my best bet. Any and all info is appreciated guys!! Any more replies would be welcome!

Brian


Steve... Thanks for that offer, I just may take you up on it once I get my game plan worked out!!
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(Date Posted:07/24/2005 8:16 AM)

You'll never get your 2400 fps out of the 6.5TCU without throwing the brass away after one firing (and cleaning out the bolt from all those pesky pierced primer disks inside!).

Sorry to say you are dreaming. I've shot the 6.5TCU in an XP 15" barrel, and I have shot the 6.5 BR (a far better cartridge for FPS and pressure) in the same type gun. In rifles I have owned several 6.5x55s, .260 Remingtons and a 6.5TKS (improved 6.5BR). I've shot the 6.5TKS in both rifle and XP. It is the only cartridge you will get to those numbers on velocity with 140 gr. bullets in a 24-25" barrel. Otherwise, you need to shoot the .260 or 6.5x55. This has all been figured out in rifle silhoutte game, and that is where the TKS comes from. They've tried the TCU and BR and found them lacking in power.

You'll just have to spend a few more dollars and do the job right: Sako extractor in the bolt and open the bolt face. Then true the threads and bolt face, etc. Or satisfy yourself with shooting lighter loads around 2200 fps in the 6.5TCU. When you are going through all this work and expense anyway, don't get distacted by the false economy of using free, inferior brass. Do it right and you will be happy until you wear the barrel out! Jim

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(Date Posted:07/25/2005 1:50 PM)

I have a 18 1/2" 7TCU carbine barrel for my contender.  It shoots 120gr bullets at about 2500fps using AA2200.  It is capable of sub 1" groups at 100yds.  The recoil is stiffer that a person would think.  5 1/2 lb  rifle doesn't slow the recoil up much.  I can't every remember feeling recoil in the field, but it can be an issue on the range.  To tell  the truth, bambi probably won't know the difference between a 7mm and 6.5mm bullet.  If you are thinking about cast bullets,  I would probably go with the 7mm as the twist rate to get a long 6.5 bullet to stablize is a little aggressive for cast.
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(Date Posted:07/25/2005 3:55 PM)

The 6.5 TCU in a rifle, while pleasant to shoot and accurate, might not have the velocity to make many of the deer hunting weight bullets work the way they are designed to, nor have a very good tradjectory for rifle hunting. I would seriously consider going to a .260 Rem. Since you are building it on a Savage this would be easy to do. You don't need to open up the bolt face. You can just change the bolt head, which shoud be easy on a Savage, as well as rebarrelling it. Go to www.savageshooters.com there are several articles and such on doing these.
You can always load the .260 down a bit for some nice accurate light recoiling loads. Also, you mentioned Grandsons. If this rifle gets passed down to one, it would be in a factory caliber so they wouldn't have to worry about needing to be a reloader in order to use it.
I have a 6.5 X 257 Roberts that was built a couple years before the .260 came out as a factory round. Ballistically this is a twin of the .260. I actually considered a .260 (a wildcat known as the .263 Express or 6.5 X .308 at the time) but I already had a long action and the 257 case has a little bit of an advantage with the larger bullets. Loaded with 85 gr. Sierra HPs it is a mild, accurate, flat shooting paper & groundhog shooter. Load it up with 120 - 140 gr. bullets and it is a long range target and deer gun.
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(Date Posted:07/27/2005 2:36 AM)

Great...this is the info that I wanted.

I've been kicking around the .260 and 6.5x55 for awhile and just figured I weigh all my options. Thought maybe the 6.5 TCU would fit the bill. Thats why I came here, to get an 'experienced' opinion. It was worth a shot to ask around.


All replies are greatly appreciated, thanks guys!!

Brian

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(Date Posted:10/12/2005 4:09 AM)

Last year my neighbor shot 3 does w/ a 16" 300 whisper. the longest was 167 yards, all 1 shot kills. I now own his 300 whisper barrel and this year he will be using a 23" 6.5 TCU. Do a google search for ED'S TC he has a 20" or so 6.5 TCU barrel for sale there. I had a 10" 7 TCU and have a 10" 6.5TCU that my wife uses. Notice which one I sold and what I kept!!!!
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(Date Posted:10/12/2005 4:36 AM)

Eric,

I shoot the 260 Rem in a Striker pistol and love it. You can load it down or load it up whatever you prefer. Accuracy is outstanding in a pistol so I would suspect the same from a rifle. Its strange that Savage never offered the 260 in their rifles, only in the Striker pistol and then only for about 2 or 3 years then they dropped it. Don't worry about brass. I have used regular 260 Rem brass but usually use 7-08 brass since I can find it sometimes cheaper than the 260 Rem. Even 243 or 308 will work but the 7-08 is the easiest. Try it, I think you will get closer to what you are looking for. Bolt head change will get you from the 223 size case to the 260. Savage Shooters has all the info you will need and can do the barrel work too.
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(Date Posted:10/12/2005 8:00 PM)

Go ahead with your 6.5TCU if that is what you want. Don't worry about the velocity, you will probably be in the 2200 range but it really doesn't matter. What matters is bullet performance at that kind of velocity. If you go with the 100 or 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip you will get excellent performance on deer out to 200 yards, no problem. When the Ballistic Tip bullets are slowed down they perform wonderfully, they expand in a more controlled manner and penetrate very well while still getting good expansion.

Neck / shoulder anneal your brass before forming it unless it is virgin. Fireform the brass to the chamber using heavy bullets jammed into the lands and a starting charge of a fast burning powder. Then adjust your dies to just kiss the shoulder. I have a set of Hornady dies and they are great and reasonable in price.


Go with the 6.5TCU, you'll love it.
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(Date Posted:10/13/2005 4:30 AM)


With the Savage, you also have the option of the 6.5mmBR (better brass, velocity, accuracy, and an actual shoulder) and just switch out the bolt face. The BR case is a sweetheart to load and shoot whether in a pistol or rifle.
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(Date Posted:11/01/2005 12:37 AM)

I'm building a 20"SS Bbl in 6.5 TCU Bbl for my contender, daughter's training Bbl. I'm building it for a few reasons, low noise/recoil, good results on mid to smaller game, I already have handloading equipment, and I shoot it in a 13" contender. I have read a few reviews on the round in carbines and it seems to fit what I want it to do. Many have tried to talk me out of it saying 7mm would be better, but I don't want a 7mm, you need to decide what it is you want and go for it. You will be happier in the end going with what you want. Take all the advice and mold it to how you want to do your thing.
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(Date Posted:11/01/2005 6:37 AM)

If I was building it up for a young un I think I would go with a shorter bbl to go with the youth size stock.  Eighteen inches or even less.  With the faster powders you can burn it all in a sixteen inch bbl.  And it would be a lot handier for the young one to handle.  Just another thought to stir into the pot.

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(Date Posted:11/01/2005 9:06 AM)

18" has been pulling on my mind alot lately, but don't want to get much shorter. When she grows out of it I may keep it for small game and Yotes
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(Date Posted:12/23/2005 7:52 PM)

Gosh, I gotta tell you that I'd lean towards the 6.5 TCU. I've taken deer and antelope with my 10" 6.5 TCU out to 150 yards using 748 and 120 Nosler BT's. Using the same load I've used my 14" 6.5TCU on antelope as well. For both my son, and now my daughter I've loaded down a little 6.5X55 Swede with a 16.5" bbl to 2200 FPS (6.5 TCU velocites) and used the same 120 BT's. They have taken deer with it, but nothing over 100 yards. Recoil is not a problem. I've had carbine bbl's in 7TCU and silhouette bbl's in that caliber too...I'd still go with the 6.5 TCU. It will do everything you want.

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