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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 06:50:05)
I have never seen a democrat that wasn't trying to take away the 2nd ammendment a little at a time. They keep smiling and saying we won't hurt hunters , we just want to take away those nasty semi-auto that real hunters don't , and those repeaters that real hunters don't use. and those guns that use bullets that real hunters don't use,. then we need to register all those hunting guns.ect. ect. ect.
Remember a citizen is armed a subject isn't. I'm voting for Bush.
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 08:51:18)
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Read all about it.http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/9/195157.shtml
Whether or not the NRA endorses President George W. Bush I will vote for him. Not all Republicans qualify on the "cold dead hands" stance of Charlton Heston regarding the Second Amendment, but they are usually closer to the spirit of the founding fathers than almost all of today's Democrats. The Second Amendment is all that stands between us and a European style socialist government. To me, this freedom is first in importance because without the Second Amendment none of the others have a chance of surviviing. Thomas Jefferson said in effect, the beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will be needed most if they try to take it away. Put me down as one of the notorious one issue voters. All the above is in my opinion, so I won't be arguing about it. Regards to all, curmudgeon
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 09:52:38)
NVcurmudgeon wrote:
The Second Amendment is all that stands between us and a European style socialist government. To me, this freedom is first in importance because without the Second Amendment none of the others have a chance of surviviing. Thomas Jefferson said in effect, the beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will be needed most if they try to take it away.
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 13:42:39)
64% of gun owners support the AWB? I'd like to meet one. Kind of reminds me of a college stats class I once took, apparently 84.7% of all statistics are made up.
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 18:10:28)
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The real reason Hollywood hates Bush (no, it? not about the war; it? his Christian faith!).
This was lifted from the article at the web site, and perhaps is the most important of all of the bullets displayed. ... felix
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 18:52:00)
Count me in as one of the "One Issue" voters as well.
I will be watching carefully the actions of the bozo's over the next few weeks. Should they allow the "Clinton Gun Ban" to sunset,or renew it is of serious consequence to me. Either they recognize the fact that no more "laws" can contain the bad guys,and no more laws are needed to "control" the good guys shall be important indeed .
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 19:04:20)
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Count me in as one of the "One Issue" voters as well.I will be watching carefully the actions of the bozo's over the next few weeks. Should they allow the "Clinton Gun Ban" to sunset,or renew it is of serious consequence to me. Either they recognize the fact that no more "laws" can contain the bad guys,and no more laws are needed to "control" the good guys shall be important indeed .
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I feel that way too, one issue voter, since that happens to be the most important issue. You know, there has to be a reason the anti-gunner want to take our firearms away besides just not liking us having them. Look at some of the first things Hitler did before take over of Germany...take the guns away. One of our forefathers said that without guns there can be no freedom. He is right. I hate to be the sayer of doom but I only think it's going to get worse...they are going to take (at least pass the laws and try) our guns and oh, make having lead a big illegal thingy and unfortunately the fellows here, me included, who hoard lead, like wheelweighs, pay an extroidinary amount of money to be able to dispose of them. That's what my cystal ball reads...sorry. But I'm right in there with the rest of you to try and prevent that. You know if Bush does or doesn't let the Assault Rifle ban die he's hosed either way. Say if he does, then the Demoncrats will say Bush is for gang murders and kids killing kids with machineguns, etc. etc. etc. If he doesn't, well he got the NRA and us on his ass, not a good position for him, or any President either way.
Felix hit the nail right on the head again. I'm beginning to think ole Felix is one hell of a carpenter. The Darkside does hate Bush because of his Christain beliefs. I can't say I heard any of the others talk much about the Christain faith. In fact the liberals let things pass as that recent issue, I believe in NY, where it was ok for the school to display symbols of regilions, such as Muslem, but not okay for Christain symbols.
Let's all do what we can, stick firm to our beliefs, and hope for the best.
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 19:45:57)
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Reply to : 45nutCount me in as one of the "One Issue" voters as well.I will be watching carefully the actions of the bozo's over the next few weeks. Should they allow the "Clinton Gun Ban" to sunset,or renew it is of serious consequence to me. Either they recognize the fact that no more "laws" can contain the bad guys,and no more laws are needed to "control" the good guys shall be important indeed .45nutI feel that way too, one issue voter, since that happens to be the most important issue. You know, there has to be a reason the anti-gunner want to take our firearms away besides just not liking us having them. Look at some of the first things Hitler did before take over of Germany...take the guns away. One of our forefathers said
Joe, You will be horrified to learn that San Jose, CA allows no crosses, manger scenes, menorahs, etc. in public parks. However, one public park has an idol of Quetzecoatal, in whose worhip millions of people had their beating hearts torn from their bodies. Judeo-Christian values are evil, but Aztec human sacrifice is PC. curmudgeon
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 20:54:42)
NRA might not endorse Bush??? How could that be? Look at all the things he has done for gun owners..... Have you had enough time to look? I suspect any day now his bill that will abolish the 1968 gun control act that put many fine mail order businesses out of business will become law. Well it may not,but if elected,I'm sure it will next term. Look at the phoney he is running against. This guy hid out in Viet Nam to avoid the war. He had a plush job in the resort areas of Viet Nam. In between fine dining and luxury golf courses,laying on the tourist beaches,luxury cruises,etc all he had to do was have his staff submit fraudulent recommendations for service medals for himself. Everyone knows that there are no medals to be won in the paradise spots he enjoyed. Now on the other hand George W volunteered for a most dangerous mission with the Guard unit in Dallas Texas. Even with such high risks,knowing he probably would not return, his daddy did not pull any strings to prevent his entrance,just the opposite. Very unselfish,let your son go to the resorts of Viet Nam but my son is going to fight the real war in the trenches of Dallas where few will return. There was a one year waiting list to get into this unit,but if son is willing to take all these risks,I'll even help him get in was dads approach. Now George W being the modest unsung type he is,declined medals. He saw heavy action in all areas from Dallas all the way to Ft Worth,maybe beyond? Certainly no phoney here. The Unit is highly decorated. To be noted that the stresses of being in this horrible war zone understanably led to cocaine usage by many,well atleast one. Thus the popular phrase"keep your powder dry". The NRA might not endorse him?
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(Date Posted:08/21/2004 23:22:30)
Carpetman, you phrased it much more eloquently than I could have.
I have voted Republican in every election except when I was a teenager and didn't know any better, but this year will be different. No, I won't vote for the socialist anti-gun Democrats, but I won't vote for the police state spend-a-holic Republicans, either. Maybe I'll write in Carpetman Ray!!!!!
Seriously, many Republican voters will find an excuse not to vote this year while Democrats will have a good turnout due to Florida and due to all those weapons of mass destruction. I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry wins.
The best we can hope for is either a Republican president and a Democratic congress, or else a Democratic president and a Republican congress. When the government is divided then they can't get much done, and that's a good thing.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 01:16:50)
MTNGUN--The fact no weapons of mass destruction were found did not bother me. As much as I disliked Bush before,when he sent our boys(and girls) over to kick butts and take names,darn if my opinion of him didnt start climbing. My kind of guy. Maybe,just maybe he would finish the job his dad created by his falling short of getting it done. I reckoned any excuse urr uhh reason to go punch some holes in a place that might have had something to do with 9-11 was as good as any. Go get em George. But when we start patching those holes for them it doesnt make any sense to my pea sized(bragging)brain. Gonna patch em why make em? Probably a very obvious answer I fail to grasp. Someone with a better grip please explain. To the victor goes the spoils. Folks we are the victor and we want a bucket of oil every week or so and if we dont get it,we'll be back and punch some more holes. We are going to patch holes here the same way you folks patched holes for us ie rebuilt our twin towers. As for reerrecting Sodomy Hussiens statue we'll let him take care of his own errection. He can handle it himself. What did we accomplish? Spend our money to fix it back? Notice the price we have to pay for lumber has gone up? These things(bucket of oil every week and them patch their own holes) didnt happen,we are still there patching holes(and not collecting a bucket of oil---notice the price you are paying for gasoline?)our guys and gals are still getting shot, so my opinion of him dropped lower than it had been. I fail to see where he has been the heralded friend of gun owners. Probably another obvious thing I missed that someone can explain.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 01:35:20)
Gentlemen we have been here before,obviously we have to choose between the lesser of two evils here. Skeerrry is arm & arm with Feinstein,Kennedy and worse.
GWB has not come out and formally embraced those seeking our guns.
He may not be for us,but he is not seeking glory as being against us.
I may be wrong as well,but there are enemies of our rights behind the curtain as well as right out in front. Kerry is right up front as being against my rights so I know enough about him to decide my vote.
The following pic is right from Feinstein's web page,,,word for word copy follows...
Senators Feinstein, Kerry, Kennedy, and Schumer celebrate a vote putting the Senate on
record in support of renewing the assault weapons ban.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 01:47:31)
Right to the point, Carpetman, I couldn't agree with you more. Hope that doesn't jinx you. Has anyone noticed that there is a respectable amount of money on both sides of the gun question? Just as there is on both sides of all the big questions, religion, abortion, etc... Is it any wonder that each political party picked a side, just to collect money from? Republicans do not represent gun owners, they represent, as always, big business. Always have, always will. We may have to vote for them because the other side is worse, but liking them is more than I can stomach. If you want to remain a free man, then ALL politicians are your enemy. Rather than donate money to any politician or party, I would like to see some organization (NRA?) collect the money, a huge amount over a few years, then use it to threaten ANY politician who would vote anti-gun. The money would be equally threatening to all the politicians. Just buying one or two of them every year as we do now is not effective.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 02:18:16)
45Nutt---Great picture could you maybe impose George W with the group and entitle it "if you cant beat em join em" until you can post a picture of George killing the bill? You can blame it's creation on Clinton(that's old obsolete news) but George has earned the right to ownership of its existence------it's been on his watch a few years now. How does he qualify for exclusion? How does he differ? Guess maybe some of the folks at NRA cant answer that either if they are balking at endorsing him.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 13:29:59)
...........I will hold my nose and vote for Bush. Being realistic, the Two Johns winning is absolutely abhorant to me, but with a 2 party system and an election on this level that's what it boils down to. Dan is right that a divided gubbmint is great, yet true patriots in either house are so few and far between that major damage can and most likely would be done. Cries of partisanship and obstructionalism would be screamed by the media, and the great majority of the American public would agree. There would be deals made for votes by the moderates who realize that the vast majority of their constituents are MORE concerned by several other issues and really don't care about guns, one way or the other. The patriots would be swamped and no one in the greater population would be the wiser.
The only people who are REALLY concerned by the loss of our God given right to defend ourselves, loved ones and our property via firearms ownership is a very small percentage of the population. After all, we DO have police for that, right? You have blurring of these groups of pro-firearms ownership classes of people. You have people like us who use and enjoy firearms, hunters, those who have a gun for home protection, and those who may or may not own a firearm but are students of the Bill Of Rights and who know the how and why of gun ownership, and the importance of protecting ALL the rights listed on it.
Your average working person out there is pretty much a lost cause unless you can touch them yourself. For the most part they are more interested in the pre-season football draft (or pick a sport) then what is being done to them by their government, meaning the people THEY elected if they even voted. No, a dismayingly large portion of these people are educated by the Dan Blathers and also their newspapers. They just sit there depressing couch cushions in front of the box being bathed in PC retoric. You see, it's a bit of work to maybe think about stuff, and question things.
Don't even suggest to me that this isn't mostly true. It's a matter of incrementalism. A little at a time and no one notices. If it wasn't true we'd have been out of the United Nations a long time ago. We wouldn't be saddled with an income tax structure the government doesn't even understand, we wouldn't have elected representatives who haven't the faintest idea about what it means to have a job and who cost the taxpayer an unbelievable chunk of change. And it goes on even AFTER they're out of office. THE PEOPLE ARE NOT INTERESTED.
Who is going to be president is important. However the president can't really do squat if you want to get right down to it. The people who matter are the people we send locally to our state capitals and to the Senate and House of Representatives. Even our county and city officials who we elect have a major impact on our lives. There are lots of other people who can have an effect and one is the ministers in the churchs. Used to be they not only preached salvation but right and wrong. Our revolution had the preachers in the fore front. My parents went to a fundamentalist Baptist church, and there if anywhere it should have been pounded out from the pulpit, that would have seemed to have been the place.
During the Clinton-Lewinski thing my parents became disgusted as they'd talked several times to the minister about it (why he wasn't talking about it) and his take was that it was "Political" and politics didn't belong in the pulpit. Well there is politics and there is politics. And there is right and there is wrong and especially when it involves the highest elected official of the most powerfull nation on the face of the earth, then what is right behaviour and wrong behaviour is beyond any political consideration. My parents informed their minister in so many words that he was a worthless, spinless twit who had no right to the title 'Minister' as that denoted 'teacher' and as one he was worthless. They'd withdraw their 32 year membership and take their not insubstantial tithe elsewhere, which is exactly what they did, as did 2 other couples.
Lots of their friends begged them to re-consider and return. My father who is an old Arkansas farmboy and the most upstanding, honest, forthright, and honorable man I've ever had the honor to know asked THEM what they thought about it, they lost a few friends. My dad said it was no loss.
As far as gunowners protecting or restoring, or changing the constitutional government via their privately held firearms, as were some of the thoughts of the founding fathers, gimme a break. That's a joke in the extreme that we like to think about, but it ain't gonna happen people. The government isn't going to do anything rash enough to cause anything like that to happen until they HAVE ALL the privately held firearms. Think about it. Can you get people excited about all the money they pay out in taxes? Sure ya can, but can you get them to maybe join a group and DO anything about it? You can get people riled up about stuff that impacts their daily lives, and especially if it gets any media attentiona at all.
A prime example was the recent recall election here in California. It's not so much the media wanted Gray Davis out as it was that there was enough noise that enough people THOUGHT about it to actually DO something. And you know what? The people who study this stuff were absolutely amazed by the conservative leaning the demographics showed. However the most visible and onerous taxes of all come right out of people's paychecks and is there in black and white to see, yet we still have our repressive income tax and a social security scam getting sucked out weekly. Now if the media started talking about it so those people sitting on their couches actually had to THINK about it, something would get done. Ya THINK? Put any subject on the idiot box enough and the limp colorless dweebs who live there after coming home from work might actually begin to see the light and get a little juice. For crissakes they can tell ya what some doper ball player's lifetime somethingorother is, but they can't tell you what congressional district they live in or their representative's name.
I heard a guy named Bill at the range a couple Tuesdays ago mention something about NOT being a member of the NRA. They were talking about something and he also said he 'used' to be. This is a guy who in years past had had me do firearms transfers for him and who I've seen about every Tuesday out there shooting. Can you freaking BELIEVE that!? And you know what, I'll bet there's lots more just like him. I was about this close to walking over and telling him that if he didn't belong that he needed to get rid of all his guns, because the NRA is probably the only reason he could still have them. But I didn't and I'm ashamed to say that. I should have. If I see him next Tuesday you can bet I will.
Then I hear these people who used to belong but got tired of seeing all the begging mail from the NRA. Hey! The NRA isn't taxpayer supported and if they didn't sent the stuff out how many of us would all of a sudden say, "Hey I need to sit down and send off a check to the NRA"? Man, just toss'em in the trash. I do. I feel bad about doing it too as I look at all that money I've spent on the lathe and stuff for it. I've bought gunstuff too instead of sending a few extra bucks to the NRA. I'll admit it, but I'll also admit that I DO send money to the NRA on occassion. It's not perfect, but by a long shot it's the only game out there and it deserves our support.
Yes, I'm going to vote for Bush. If you think that a 10% increase in ballots for the American Independant candidate, or the Libertarian candidate is going to make whoever wins (and it WON'T be either of those) sit up and say, "Heck I better take heed and do right" then you're dreaming. Would it be nice to vote your beliefs in a presidential election? HEll yes it would, but let's live in the real world for a bit and think about handing the office to Bush's alternative. I know it's a warm cuddly feeling to be able to stand there and say that you didn't vote for either one of the cretins, but rather the RIGHT one (who lost and has no effect on your life and future). I did that during the California recall. I voted for a hard charging conservative pro-gun guy. But I will hold up my right hand and swear to you that I was delerious with joy that Swartzenegger won and not Bustamonte, or Davis.
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Here Here, a little more of that all the way around!!!
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 18:24:17)
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...........I will hold my nose and vote for Bush. Being realistic, the Two Johns winning is absolutely abhorant to me, but with a 2 party system and an election on this level that's what it boils down to. Dan is right that a divided gubbmint is great, yet true patriots in either house are so few and far between that major damage can and most likely would be done. Cries of partisanship and obstructionalism would be screamed by the media, and the great majority of the American public would agree. There would be deals made for votes by the moderates who realize that the vast majority of their constituents are MORE concerned by several other issues and really don't care about guns, one way or the other. The patriots would be swamped and no one in the greater population would be the wiser.The only people who are REALLY concerned by the loss of our God given right to defend ourselves
Buckshot, thanks for expressing so clearly what so many of us are thinking. I, too, voted for McClintock and was relieved that the Governator beat Bustamente. New state, same old politics. There is a huge project that has all the streets of downtown Reno torn up to put the railroad right of way in a trench. I guess this is to facilitate traffic to the casinos so that the suckers can be more efficiently separated from their money. A pre-project survey revealed that 64% of the electorate opposed the trench, yet the city council went ahead with it. The arrogance of the political class never amazes me. America, kill your TV before it is too late! curmudgeon
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 18:37:02)
Who would have ever "thunk" (that's a southern word  that my NRA post would have generate so much pent up stuff? Guess posting it right before election time was good timing.
Buckshot....did ya mean re-electing such representatives as Ted Kennedy? I really can't see how that guy gets re-elected. On ole Arnold in Kalifornia....don't let him fool ya, he was pro-gun when he started his movie career but he's not now. Truthfully I think he's another Adolf Hitler, didn't you hear him say he wanted the U.S. law changed that prohibits a non natural citizen from running for President. He wants to run for President, take the country over like the non citizen Hitler did to Germany.
I don't blame your parents for quitting their church. I know each President has his flaws, but doggone it, Klinton and his Klan, are and were the biggest disgrace ever to enter the White House, and further more I can't see how the people that like him stick up for him. I mean this guy is the 21st century Benedict Arnold. God forbid if Hillary should ever run for and win the Presidency.
Ya know what, I had said a long time ago this country started dying after Vietnam, then I reinstated maybe somewheres along after WWII and I still believe that. I was a kid growing up in the 50's and teenager in the 60's and I certainly can say the economy, the friendlyness among neighbors, the education and school system, the religious beliefs, the morals, the amount of U.S. made products, and a whole bunch of other stuff have certainly gone down hill since those two wars.
Dan Foggerty, or how you spell the singers name, just come out with a kind of protest the Iraqi war song called "It's Dejavue All Over Again", referring to Vietnam. No it isn't, there isn't ever going to be a war like that again and how the "bad" citizens, and politicians treated our boys when they come back. Any of you out there grow up during WWII? Were there protestors like there was during Nam? What a disgrace. I tell you too many folks fall back on that right that they have the right to voice their opinion and freedom of speech and they are right, but I tell you, protesting a war makes me sick. I tell you, I'm a Vietnam Era veteran, I enlisted...and get this...I VOLUNTEERED FOR SWIFT BOAD PATROL DUTY IN VIETNAM!!!!! For 3 months straight I put in papers every week for transfer of duty from the rickety shit tin can reserve training destroyer I got stuck on in Norfolk, VA to got to riverboat duty in Nam. A wiser and apparently caring shipmate friend and superior officer chewed my ass out and tore up all my papers and said someday I'd thank him. You better believe he was right. I've said this to my friends and relatives that served in Nam and will say it to any of you fellows here that have also. God Bless you and thank you from the bottom of my heart for serving our country in that terrible war.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 18:55:32)
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Does anyone have any proof of what happened in the oval office with Klinton and that girl? Where are the unretouched photos? I personally don't think the incident happened at all, but was trumped up to help bring down the whole country in terms of morality. The incident was designed from those who desire to merge our country into one with the world as one simple large state under the UN. They trained Klinton first hand in England for the job, so he was a natural pick for the scenario. It's the UN that wants the guns to be taken away from all soon to be subjects. ... felix
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 19:19:42)
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KERRY:
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor for our troops
He voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency of the US govenment
He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%,
He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%,
He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.
THEN,
He voted to increase OUR funding for
U.N operations by 800% !!
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 20:02:57)
Felix
I don't think there's any doubt that the Klinton/Lewinsky think happen. Klinton has a long history of unfaithfulness and fooling around and there was the evidence that Klinton left on Monica's dress. All of what happen and what was done afterwards, like the try at impeaching him, is just way too much to dream up and orchestrate to ruin morality. You know it has recently come out that after the Monica thing, Hillary was pretty peeved at ole Bill and it was mentioned that he basically slept on the couch for a very very long time, until Hillary settled her ruffled feathers. He's a scoundrel, there is no doubt about it. None of them are any good anymore, it's just a position to win, like winning an award, getting those stars on your graft like in grade school. They don't really care about the people of this country only about themselves and their little circle. Look how terrible campaigning has gotten. Although Kerry's shady Vietnam experiences certainly can tell you the substance the man is made out of, it has nothing to do with what the Presidency is, and that is leading the country to provide for the good of it's people. They should be campaigning on what needs done to fix this and that, and for what will help the people, not degrading one another, and both sides do that for sure. Hollywood doesn't need to get involved in this either, aside from volunteering for military service when at war, or even not, rather then using their clout to influence people to their way of thinking.
Joe
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 20:15:35)
Starmetal Joe--I find it typical that you are talking Clinton--(he's been out of office 4 years)--you are talking Kerrys shady service record--He was in VIET NAM. Yet you didnt mention Bush has a DUI which he tried to hide. Slammed Ann Richards for being alcoholic(recovering--not practicing) He all but admitted to using cocaine. His daughters had atleast three alcohol incidents. Oh yes and his noble,heroic,medal laden military career was in Dallas Texas where he "somehow mysteriously" stepped to front of line to join when others had a one year wait. Do we STILL have the Brady bill---hell blame that on Clinton.
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 20:21:28)
Reply to : starmetal
They don't really care about the people of this country only about themselves and their little circle WHICH IS THE UN. You had better believe it, Joe. Forget that other stuff which is in the news like blow jobs and the like. Who said his wife slept on the couch? How do you know? ... felix
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 20:28:30)
Reply to : _felix_
Reply to : starmetalThey don't really care about the people of this country only about themselves and their little circle WHICH IS THE UN. You had better believe it, Joe. Forget that other stuff which is in the news like blow jobs and the like. Who said his wife slept on the couch? How do you know? ... felix
I forget where I heard that, maybe either his or her book but anyways it was him that slept on the couch not her. That only means of course that he didn't sleep with her, on the couch was a figure of speech. Also one of he people involve in Whitewater has come forward and said he had be quiet about it all along because of fear of repraisal from Klinton and also the statue of limitation has run out. He said all along what was said about Klinton's and Hillary's involvement is 100 % true. Heard him talking about it on a radio show.. But you know, it's all water under the bridge now.
Joe
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 20:57:18)
Reply to : starmetal
But you know, it's all water under the bridge now. No Joe, it isn't, because you still think the folks from DC are telling you the truth. Your faith in that operation is unwarrented, my friend. ... felix
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 22:41:26)
No no no I don't have faith in any of them Felix. I even lost somemore faith in Bush today when he publicy announced that the Swift boat people should pull their ad. The shithead caved into Demoncrat lovers pressure. That's exactly what they wanted, just the same as Spain pulling out of Iraq from terrorist pressure, which they are now imposing on Italy. You know, the Green Berets slogan "Yeah tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil because I'm the meanest SOB in the valley" and the Marines "Jesus loves the Marines because they supply him with fresh souls" should apply to this Iraqi war, but I'm getting off subject there.
Thing is I doubt anything will come about in an effort to hang Klinton and his wife for the astrocies they have commited. Besides I was stepping lightly as to not offend as many people as I normally do. So of our fine posters here, like CarpetmanRay, have a different view on the Klintons then most of us and that is alright. In addition I got a good scolding from Maven for my in anger name calling of Michael Moore.
Joe
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(Date Posted:08/22/2004 23:34:03)
"Besides I was stepping lightly as to not offend as many people as I normally do. So of our fine posters here, like CarpetmanRay, have a different view on the Klintons then most of us and that is alright."
If you don't love Bush you must love Clinton? Try to be a little objective, Joe. Carpetman, like myself and everyone else here hates Clinton. It's just that some of us hate Bush too. Sure, he's different from Clinton, but he has enough faults of his own to earn a place up against the wall in my book. He is stealing from all Americans, money for the most part but also lives. Every American that dies in Iraq is a crime against him in my book. On a slightly different note, I get the impression he isn't much interested in getting re-elected, just like his father in '92. Just my feelings, same as I had then...
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(Date Posted:08/23/2004 03:09:10)
I think Buckshot called it 'incrementalism' on up the thread somewhere. It is also 'desensitizing'. Fool me be diverting my attention to something else other than, say, 9-11, and then slide one in on me that I don't know about. Yea, Dubya gots some problems. like the southern border. We need to do the same with them that we're doing in Europe moving (closing) bases and being friends with people who support us, like Poland! And in the process. SEAL THE BORDER!!!! That doesn't mean stop immigration. It means SEAL THE BORDER! Neither Kerry nor Edwards have the core values needed to do the job. Someone else on this thread elluded that the President cannot do it alone. Well, I disagree. A strong, visionary leader can point us in the right direction. Is Dubya the one? Don't know. In a second term, without being concerned about another relection bid, he could point us that way. Klinton certainly did NOT with all his bridge to the 21st century retoric (read that as 'bullshit'). All he did was get us deeper in where we didn't need to be. I wish I could explain myself better. I'm just a po'ole country boy making me way in the world. Our world is changing, but so did our parent's world. Change is not going to stop. Core values remain the same. My vote is Bush, but what happens next is what really concerns me. sundog
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(Date Posted:08/23/2004 07:09:45)
...........I just wish Barry Goldwater was around to run again! AU-H2O.  Crap, for all that these later days, I wish Hubert Humphry was running! He'd be a freaking radical conservative now, and back in those days my dad just knew he was the devil incarnate.
Incrementalism is the death of freedom and liberty in tiny doses. Maybe like the Death of a thousand cuts. One isn't anything, but they add up. Toss a frog in hot water and he'll jump out. Heat the water incrementaly hotter and you'll have a dead frog. So far the average American hasn't been inconvienienced to any real extreme so far. Well, I forgot about Waco and Ruby Ridge and the guy in the 60's who got a bullet in the head by the BATF because someone said he had a hand grenade. Some of that around.
But your average working stiff has learned to put up with "Your papers, please" at the airport, and maybe in 10 years or so we'll get that at the stateline. Another thing the gub-mint doesn't like is that nasty old cash money. Hard to track and people can keep it at home and they can hide it. Really tough to do that with an ATM or credit card. How inconvienient is cash these days? Hard to deal with and most the graduates from our government (oops, I mean PUBLIC) schools can't figure out what to give you back unless some machine is telling them, eh?
Tis a long slippery slope.
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(Date Posted:08/23/2004 07:23:36)
I thinks they is all CROOKS. The question which is the worse between Kerry and Bush. I don't think much of Kerry for hanging around with Hanoi Jane. Bush could allow importation of weapons and ammo, but he won't. As far as Bush's daughters drinking, nothing I didn't do when I was younger. I really hate it when we have to pick the lesser of 2 evils.
I think Mrs Bush is better than Heinz-Kerry. I guess I'll base my vote on that as the VP candidates are both losers. Mark
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