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lar45
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 06:50:18)
Excellent Finn. Looks like a great time to me.
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 08:06:57)
Reply to : Finn45
Hello all. The last one for me, just like last year. We actually finished our season three weeks ago and last bull went to the next guy from my watch, just like all others before it. A week ago we get one extra permit to hunt either one bull or two calves. My brother in law shot one calf last Saturday, so there was one calf left.Sunday was my day finally; dog in the pic brought a cow and calf to my watch. Situation (dog barking the critters) lasted about fifty minutes; animals were coming to the small road from the bushes and they came sloowwly, very good work from the doggie. I was kneeling and aiming last 15...20 minutes and then they jumped across the road passing me about 70 yards away. Bullet hit little bit back and high so the calf took leap and ran about 100 yards and stayed up with dog barking at it. I went close and because of the heavy thicket I shot it surely through
Finn, Good report, especially liked the part about your concern for good terminal ballistics. Is the pictured dog an Elkhound, also sometimes known in my country as a Norwegian Elkhound? Hope you get the big bull next year, curmudgeon
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 09:41:44)
.........Finn45, " Sorry for the blood and dead animal in the pic."
Why be sorry? Only successful hunts have these type photo's by the way. Your animal was taken ethicly, with concern for it's quick demise and so far as I know, there are no members of PETA here on the board. If there are, I guess at least ONE of'em like to shoot if they don't hunt  . And if any come by that don't, well they may KMA.
BTW, I like your pooch. Intelligent looking vigorous animal. Growing up my 2 brothers and I had a Spitz. Well, a half Spitz. Mom was purebred and dad was a traveling salesman. He had a helmuted head, erect ears and a tail he carried curled on his back when feeling frisky. Looks a lot like yous except possibly a bit smaller in height. He was smart as could be. I think he was about 14 years old when he was crossing the road coming back from seeing a girlfriend and was hit by a car.
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 14:12:33)
Reply to : Finn45
Hello all. The last one for me, just like last year. We actually finished our season three weeks ago and last bull went to the next guy from my watch, just like all others before it. A week ago we get one extra permit to hunt either one bull or two calves. My brother in law shot one calf last Saturday, so there was one calf left.Sunday was my day finally; dog in the pic brought a cow and calf to my watch. Situation (dog barking the critters) lasted about fifty minutes; animals were coming to the small road from the bushes and they came sloowwly, very good work from the doggie. I was kneeling and aiming last 15...20 minutes and then they jumped across the road passing me about 70 yards away. Bullet hit little bit back and high so the calf took leap and ran about 100 yards and stayed up with dog barking at it. I went close and because of the heavy thicket I shot it surely.
Something to change for the next season; I believe I'll forget completely linotype in hunting bullets because my second shot hit a bone in the shoulder and although they are not very hard they seemed to be still quite brittle. Main part of the bullet went through but too much alloy crumb was present in the wound. Much cleaner wound of course than with high speed .30-cals but still.
P.,
Interesting report. And good to read your thoughts on the lino.
Maybe, it was good that you didn't get a shot at a big bull this year if the bullet reacted as it did.
I know that the lino is tempting because it makes such "pretty" bullets. And I .... am not sure that I .... would make the big jump down to 20-1 with a large caliber. Simply because you don't need that much expansion. Not that it won't work, but early expansion will cut penetration on what could potentially be a big animal if you find the "big bull".
Anyway, congratulations and good eating. I ate the last, of last years moose, this week and I am glad deer season starts Monday in West Virginia.
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 18:04:26)
Good going! That is a lot of good eating. I bet that air cooled wheel weights would work pretty well for you, assuming yours are the same composition as ours.
When I get as old as Buckshots' dog, in people years, I hope to meet my demise in the same fashion.
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 18:46:23)
Waksupi--Keep your sheep penned on the same side of the road you live on. Look at all the gas you'd save not having to crank up that huge pickup.
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lar45
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(Date Posted:11/19/2004 19:05:15)
Hey now, I'm a long time member of PETA.
People Eating Tasty Animals that is.
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Finn45
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(Date Posted:11/20/2004 01:20:47)
Yep Lar45, that's correct; People Eating Tasty Animals; my family is full of them people. And it was great time for sure.
NVcurm... It's a Yellow Finnish dog, very traditional here but I don't know correct English name for it. We have lot of Norwegian Elkhounds also but they are Grey Norwegians and they are dark grey in colour and also taller than this one. Yellow Finn is traditionally used for grouse hunting, squirrel hunting etc. and today also for moose. This particular one is very good with moose. He belongs to my wife's cousin (who is very disastrous himself when hunting about anything...).
Buckshot, I'm very sorry to confuse You, but I didn't find the right smiley for my "sorry"; It should've been the one with true Californian sunglasses shining bright across the view... very common language in my area, I mean feeling "sorry" for a thing like this.
Bass... yep, lino is no good as I see it, or antimony that is. But it's very easy way to make harder boolits. Being ballistic nut in every manner, terminal, internal and flight is not easy and if time is scarce then short cuts may exist. These BHN15 boolits were very hard to break with hammering on the anvil, but still they were shattering against the bone. I fully agree with Waksupi about straight WW, but it's not so sexy; too simple, haha. WW + little tin would be quite perfect though; there's always room for speculation about tin content; very little or less... 20:1 or something close would be good and easy but expensive if one needs to buy the tin and scrounge pure lead from different sources. Something to ponder before next season.
Damn I like the moose meat and calf is on the top for sure.
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(Date Posted:11/20/2004 02:41:01)
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A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw.
A haw, haw, haw.
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Finn45
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(Date Posted:11/20/2004 18:16:53)
Reply to : wills
http://pets.yahoo.com/pets/dogs/breed/finnish_spitzpossibly?
Thanks Wills; that is it exactly.
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(Date Posted:11/21/2004 00:27:27)
Finn45,
You done good!! Don't make your boolits too soft if you want penetration. I paper patched some plain lead 510 grain and they failed to pass through elk. Found them just under the skin on the off side. Although the elk didn't go but maybe 20 yards, I still like complete penetration on broadside shots .-JDL
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Finn45
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(Date Posted:11/22/2004 01:16:33)
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I still like complete penetration on broadside shots.-JDL
Thanks JDL. Me too  . Could be quite tricky to find just enough penetration. Zip through effect with complete solid could be also a problem for the dogs and fellow hunters because we hunt in groups mostly. I know I wouldn't like to hear bullet whistling and hitting through the bushes nearby. Anyway my first calf with cast boolit two years ago was shot through with 40:1 mix NEI458-440-GC and it broke one bone also. No lead pieces just crushed bone and meat. Problem with those were that they get very ugly in the magazine, leaded the bore and they were commercial. Expanded in wet paper like there's no tomorrow, so I really think that 20:1 or cheaper WW equivalent could be the way to go from here. Very soft, even pure lead would be good if velocity is kept in the BP range but depending of the bullet weight they wont agree with our regulations of kinetic energy. Lower velocity makes also shooting more difficult because in most cases we shoot moving and quite often running game. We have kind of a shooting test for moose and bear hunters where running moose target is shot from the distance of 82 yards and many guys are having big trouble when they try Marlin (even loaded fast) after their normal .308win bolt. Difference between 2000fps and 1300fps loads is surprisingly big also for me. Well of course Marlin is slower than modern bolt rifle also in the ignition department. Whole winter to make and change decisions... that's goood  .
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(Date Posted:12/19/2004 05:08:38)
JDL what caliber and how fast with that paper wrapped lead moving?
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(Date Posted:12/19/2004 22:58:13)
Reply to : LAH45
JDL what caliber and how fast with that paper wrapped lead moving?
Caliber was .45-70 and muzzle velocity was 1650 fps. Distance to elk was probably 50 yards.-JDL
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(Date Posted:12/20/2004 03:12:37)
Thanks JDL.
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