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(Date Posted:03/06/2004 20:46:23)
Been invited a couple of times to go hog hunting (never been hunting before) thinking of using my m95ae trails end i just got a few weeks ago. i was impressed by its ablity to blow a lyman 358156 through bowling pin. do you guys think a harden ww or lyman #2 358156 gas checked and a max charge of 296 or h110 would work? would a heavier boolit like the lyman 195 grn rn or rcbs 180 grn sil bullet be better?
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(Date Posted:03/07/2004 08:18:19)
.........KP, for wild hog hunting I am of the opinion that the hunter can NEVER be over gunned. Since this isn't a beanfield sniping situation and may become street fighting, I am biased toward something heavy. I honestly do not think of velocity as overly important. Not that it isn't a factor, and that statement is overly simplistic. Plus I am no pig hunting guru, as I've only done it once. I've read about it several times and have a cousin who is very active in it.
We were at Hunter-Liggett, which is a military training base, pig hunting. I shot a pig broadside, using a 45-70 and a 405gr PP'd VERY soft slug at 1600 fps at the muzzle. Distance was about 60 yards and the bullet may still be going. Through and through penetration and there was some detatched hide around the exit wound, but very little meat damage.
My hunting partner used a Rem 700 in 270 Winchester with 150gr slugs. His was also a broadside shot at about 40 yards and his slug also disappeared into the distance, but not before making a big mess of the off shoulder and considerable pulped tissue.
I would defiantely go with the 180gr, or maybe even a 200gr loaded to the hilt. Honestly, I would like something bigger then a 357, but am not experienced enough, nor do I know the hunting situation to say it's not adequate. It could be plenty. A frontal shot into the chest should do the deed, but a broadside shot through the gristle girdle may be problematic. Always maybes. 
I'm thinking that if I was to use a 357 Mag, I'd also cast the slugs hard for penetration. Back in 1974 I was an assistant mgr at a K-Mart store and the store security manager had gone pig hunting somewhere in California with a friend. He had a 30M1 carb and his buddy had a S&W M29. Might have been at Hunter-Ligget as I don't know if a guide would have accepted his using the carbine. Anyway, he shot a pig that was below them in a ravine looking at them. The slug (assume a 110gr SP) hit the nose at the base almost right between the eyes.
Found out later there was zero penetration and the slug skittered up the skull and about detatched the left ear. That was one pissed off porker. His buddy put it down with 2 rounds from the Smith (ammo also unknown). I'd carry a pistol too. That way you could drop the rifle to climb a tree and still have a firearm  Maybe I've heard too many "Evil Pig" stories!
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(Date Posted:03/07/2004 17:19:10)
I haven't shot a hog yet but have taken deer and bear with 160 gr. 357 hard cast bullets fired from a snubby. All bullets exited. Bullet weight is not that critical, since most any hard cast bullet will penetrate very well. I favor a big metplat and at least a moderately hard (BHN 16) bullet.
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(Date Posted:03/07/2004 18:48:56)
Reply to : kernal_panic
Been invited a couple of times to go hog hunting (never been hunting before) thinking of using my m95ae trails end i just got a few weeks ago. i was impressed by its ablity to blow a lyman 358156 through bowling pin. do you guys think a harden ww or lyman #2 358156 gas checked and a max charge of 296 or h110 would work? would a heavier boolit like the lyman 195 grn rn or rcbs 180 grn sil bullet be better?
With that bullet and stiff charge of 296 you could probably blow thru two hogs but that does not mean a dead hog. SWC's suck for killing thing's out right from of a .357.
I have said it before, When fired from a .357 mag there is nothing that kills more consistent than the 180 LBT style of bullet !
Out of a rifle you can reach 1800 fps easily and safely with it.
I have never killed a true wild boar (Russian Spanish bloodlines) with a .357 mag.
James Gates lives in N. Florida, he and his buds kill them like most people kill Jackrabbits, and have nothing but good things to say about the 180 LBT style of bullet for stopping charging boars, he tells me if you get into a boars territory they will start hunting you!! He carries a 686 with the 180 LBT style of bullet.
Do yourself a favor and get you a good mould for this bullet.
I think Lar is still accepting orders for his version.
Good luck
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(Date Posted:03/07/2004 19:12:49)
Buckshot, when I was a kid I had a preacher with a big ugly scar on one of his calves. He'd shot a wild hog insufficiently well with a Win94 30-30 and didn't get up the tree quite fast enough.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2004 03:06:07)
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Buckshot, when I was a kid I had a preacher with a big ugly scar on one of his calves. He'd shot a wild hog insufficiently well with a Win94 30-30 and didn't get up the tree quite fast enough.
I hear ya. If they can come getcha, I'd like something large. Or a handy climbable tree nearby .
Heck! I'd edited my post this morning to include an account of a funny incident pig hunting. Sheriff Jim Wilson, who writes for one of the news stand gun rags related that he and some others were pig hunting and a wounded one ran into some thick brush. Regardless who wounded it, Wilson went in after it. When he came out his buddies were laughing, and he asked what was so funny. They said that that was the first time any of them had heard a Colt SAA go fully automatic.
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wills
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(Date Posted:03/08/2004 03:27:48)
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(Date Posted:03/08/2004 04:25:51)
Reply to : wills
You're going to use aGUN?http://www.affordablehoghunts.com/knife_hunts.htm
Ya know, I am NOT the brightest bulb in the box but that is just stupid. What's their life insurance people going to say? Getting stampeded all over by a stuck hog isn't covered for death benefits? Wouldn't THAT just have the wife and kiddies in a tight? Course if he was just crippled they could entertain themsleves by smacking him around, whenever.
I remember what happened to the grizzly bear specialist who said they were just big clumsy party animals. I ain't up to that level of partying.
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(Date Posted:03/08/2004 05:29:16)
Reply to : wills
You're going to use aGUN?http://www.affordablehoghunts.com/knife_hunts.htm
Whoever came up with that idea must've been watching too many Rambo movies
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kernal_panic
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(Date Posted:03/09/2004 03:56:46)
that 180 grn mold a lee? if it is i'll pass. i was perusing the midwayusa master catalog and was looking at saeco molds. how about saeco's 190 grn flat point gas checked boolit? from the picture it looks like a winner. also how about the lyman 358667 215 grn swc?
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(Date Posted:03/09/2004 06:58:07)
Reply to : kernal_panic
that 180 grn mold a lee? if it is i'll pass. i was perusing the midwayusa master catalog and was looking at saeco molds. how about saeco's 190 grn flat point gas checked boolit? from the picture it looks like a winner. also how about the lyman 358667 215 grn swc?
The LBT has a meplat of .280 and that is what makes it work so well. There is more to the design that make's it a complete package but I am a two finger typer.
The 215 SWC still carries that little meplat. So you really have not gained anything.
If you decide to go with the Saeco 354 I think Gar has the best price now. Good people!!!! Two cavities $52 + a 20% discount, handles $24 plus the same 20% off.
I believe this style of mould is right up MTN Moulds alley, make a throat slug and give Dan a chance to make a believer out of you, lifes short, your a long time dead, you need a mould made just for your new Winchester..
Good luck ---- Be safe
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(Date Posted:03/09/2004 07:44:35)
It's a Lee, Kernal, but it's a Lee six cavity. I can understand disdain for the Lee one and two cavities, but the six cavities are really quite decent, and the special order moulds seem to keep a bit tighter tolerances than the production ones.
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(Date Posted:03/09/2004 14:07:31)
slow poke2- who is Gar and how do i contact him/them?
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(Date Posted:03/09/2004 17:14:19)
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(Date Posted:03/25/2005 06:44:48)
kernal_panic,
I don't hang around much down here. Guess I should.
I've recently been 'sperimentin with cast in the .357 myself. So far, it has accounted for one small buck and two hogs. I started before the group buy on the 180gr mold, so most of my doins centered around a Lyman 358156 mold. Bullets weigh right at 163gr checked and lubed. Thus far, I've shot through everything, taking broadside or slightly quartering shots. Three shots, and three clean kills. And this from only a 10" barreled Contender. Ranges were from 30 & 80yds on the hogs, out to about 125yds on the buck.
One hog, double-lunged, managed to go about 80-100 yds. Unfortunately(?) in a big circle in one of the thickest, nastiest, saw-briar and yaupon thickets you can imagine. Trailing that one, I crawled through some places you couldnt whip an armadillo through! Found him stone dead at the end of a good blood trail, though. The other two only went @ 30-40yds.
I'd say you would be properly armed with your rifle, as the velocity will be higher, and it holds more than the one in the spout. FWIW, I also carried/used my 4" .44 in the thicket. Didn't need it though.
Holler back and let us know how it comes out. I'm sure I can learn from the outcome.
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