The 243 is accurate--the load and the boolit just plain work.  As long as the operator stays on task and the wind isn't too brisk, the gig works GREAT.

I wish I could say the same for the 250 Savage AND the 25-20.  I did get some good results on Sunday, but consistency was elusive--and it wasn't wind-generated stringing, either.  There is some element I'm missing here. 

I thought the same about the dinky boolits, too.  The 22 calibers were and remain a humbling experience.  The 243 was a surprise, albeit a very pleasant one.  The 25's need further work, and probably a shorter/lighter boolit design for the 1-14" and 1-16" twists I'm dealing with in those calibers.  Maybe a little more velocity, too. 

It's a good thing I enjoy the chase as much as I do the catch.

C-man......

I have no answer for the 22 boolits not doing well.  I tried them in 223 (1-9" twist) and 22-250 (1-14" twist) at varying velocities, and like Gertrude Stein said about California--"There's no there there."  Yer right--there is no good reason the 22 boolits shouldn't work as well as the 243 boolits do, or that the 25 caliber boolits get creative like they do--they just DO.  I know you have fine success with the 22's, so it's obviously something I'm doing or some attribute of the rifles used.  In the past I tried Lyman #225415 in a heavy barrelled Rem 700 x 223 I used to have (1-14" twist), and its patterns at 50 yards weren't far behind the Broomhandle Mauser in field-covering comprehensive distribution.  Basically, the boolits might hit something--but if that thing were the intended target, it was purely an accident or extremely poor fortune on the target's part.  The same rifle would go into the low .4's with Sierra 52 grain BTHP's. 

222 Remington-calibered rifles don't exactly grow on trees these days, but one of them would be fun to play with. 

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Allen, Nothing to contribute re .22 cast boolits, but I can add a bit of trivia. Gertrude Stein said "there was no there, there" about Oakland. She had lived there as a child and went back to see the old neighborhood. Nothing was as she remembered. I have had a similar experience. We lived in Torrance during WWII. nearly all the houses, including ours, were new, having been built in 1942. About 1979 I went back to see what the old street looked like. All the 1942 houses were gone and had been replaced by new houses that had been there long enough to be themselves declining. Indeed, there was no there, there. Exactly how long is the half-life of a California subdivision? Bill

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Bill--I didn't know that Oakland was Gertie's specific target of that anecdote.  Thanks, sir.  That Oakland can claim both Gertrude Stein and Jack London as denizens just says volumes about Northern California political thought.  We do raise a few Republicans down south, at least.

Half-life of CA subdivision......two generations, tops.  In a lot of towns, the houses are hitting the skids in under 20 years.  In my area, San Bernardino and Moreno Valley fit that description succinctly.  "Affordable housing" is a liberal misnomer for "pending war zone" around here.

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Reply to : curmudgeonGSRAllen, Nothing to contribute re .22 cast boolits, but I can add a bit of trivia. Gertrude Stein said "there was no there, there" about Oakland. She had lived there as a child and went back to see the old neighborhood. Nothing was as she remembered. I have had a similar experience. We lived in Torrance during WWII. nearly all the houses, including ours, were new, having been built in 1942. About 1979 I went back to see what the old street looked like. All the 1942 houses were gone and had been replaced by new houses that had been there long enough to be themselves declining. Indeed, there was no there, there. Exactly how long is the half-life of a California subdivision? BillBill--I didn't know that Oakland was Gertie's specific target of that an

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Allen,  Appreciate your informed estimate of CA subdivision half-life.  I live in a decent two-generation old neighborhod of entry level houses.  My street is the hottest real estate market in the state.  Many sales are to Hispanic-American landlords who immediately fill the houses with the matricula consular crowd.  This is a mixed blessing.  The new neighbors are nearly all hard working people who seem bent on improving the neighborhood, yet some  have rojo o azul baggage.  There have been incidents recentlly.  New invigoration or war zone?  Only time will tell, Billl

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Time grows short. Over the next 24 hours or so, I will be compiling the list of all who have indicated their intention to attend, so that I can advise the restaurants of our needs. I will also post the list here, so we can double-check that no one has been inadvertently overlooked.For reasons which I'd rather not get into here, I have some concerns about Las Margaritas. The Flying Pig now has a much-expanded menu and is still turning out very good grub. I believe that if you folks will trust my instincts in this matter, I'll move the Rools Kommittee meeting of Friday night to the Pig. The back room there is convenient, and protects the innocent regular customers from the "exploits" of us boolit-casting types.

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Bruce,  One advantage of the Flying Pig that I remember fondly from the first Winnemucca shoot is that the back room is very table-hopping friendly.  It makes it easier to meet and greet everybody.  Jaremy and I can arrive whenever you wish Friday to help out with range setup, if needed.  Please let me know when the work party, if any, begins.  Regards, Bill

The Flying Pig works just fine for me. 

I'm pretty much ready to go right now--as much unlike last year as two extremes of readiness could be.  Ammo is almost finished--gotta re-stuff the 45-70's I emptied out Saturday, and maybe get some of the new MM 32-120's fitted into 32 Mag brass too.  Heck, I might even be able to run a pot-load of metal out of the furnace, just for the pure joy of starting a vacation in right and proper style.  Still not certain which short guns will be coming along--gotta bring a few extras to fill out old Buckshot's thin stock of sidearms, ya know.......he has more rifles by accident than I do on purpose, though.

Looking forward to this in no small way!  Great friends, fine food, and heavy metal downrange.......can it possibly get any better?

Who's bringin' the camera? 

Those of us who'd like to be there but can't would still like to see what we missed.

oh, well... as all us Saints fans say... Maybe next year.

LostCajun

Lost Cajun,

There will be plenty of pics taken I assure you.  Last year I had a mis-hap and my pics were deleted from the camera       before they were shared but there were lots of pics taken and most are on CastPics.

Got a bit of loading done tonite,,45 Colts and 357Max for the Rolling Block.  Gotta find my 30-40 Krag dies to get some of those loaded up and then a few 308's and 30-06's will be next on the loading blocks.  45-70's I have a few that are already loaded too..wink wink .   The 45acp duties will be handled on the Dillon then a few 454's on the same machine.  Gotta get some 25-35's yet for the side-match....I can't shake the feeling I am forgetting something though.

45nut

Natcherly, the D.A.'s Office sent me a subpoena Monday for a Wednesday (yesterday) jury trial.  It gets under way today, and I'm set to testify on Monday, first day of vacation.  Should be no effect on trip to Modoc or NCBS, 'cause I told the D.A. I'm a gone goose on Monday evening.  Just annoying, though--happens EVERY time I schedule time off for hunting, fishing, shooting, or other outdoor recreation. 

Must be a vast PETA/Handgun Control Inc. conspiracy.  I just know it.   

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Here is the list of "the usual suspects" (Claude Rains, "Casablanca")Dale Schofield, local feller and nice guyben (from Colorado)...hope he makes itMac and his wife (onceabull's Bro-in-law)Onceabull and wife45nutTimB and wifeoopsboomBrazosErnie and LINDAammohead????Duke????Deputy AlBuckshot and DonnaCurmudgeon and JaremyBruceB, Karen and KimThis list includes 21 people, and I'd really like to find out if I've missed anyone(apologies in advance), and also whether or not ammohead and Duke intend to be here. The Pig's back room is reserved, and Ormachea's is just waiting for the final number of shooters.Many thanks for the offers of assistance. About all we have to concern ourselves with on Friday is picking up the heavy

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Bruce,  Unless I hear reason to the contrary, I'll plan to hit Winnemucca about noon on Friday.  That way we can check in at the motel and unload, then be able to help out wth the tables, targets, etc.  I have a shell on the pickup now, which may limit capacity a little.  Please let me know if that schedule is OK.  Regards, curmudgeon

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BruceB; need to ask that you "buy"a seat for my Mom at the commercial functions...Not sure(And hope to never find out) about her reaction to being left out, ESP. on Mothers Day..!.. Thx, as always for the effort you and family put into this great event ....Onceabull

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No problemo, sir, none at all.....we'll be looking forward to having the whole crew there!  I did have a niggling thought that you had already mentioned this, and I'm sorry it slipped my (alleged) mind.  Lotsa room, you bet.

EVERYBODY.......remember Mother's Day!

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Bill;

Any news about Duke?  We're hoping he can make it, and Wheelman too, and the same question applies to Ammohead,. If anyone is in contact with him, please find out if he's coming, and let me know, OK?

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Reply to : curmudgeonGSRBill;Any news about Duke? We're hoping he can make it, and Wheelman too, and the same question applies to Ammohead,. If anyone is in contact with him, please find out if he's coming, and let me know, OK?

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Bruce,  Duke is very unlikely to make it this time.  The traditional "Duke's room"  party will be held in curmudgeon's room Friday night, if agreeable to all.  Wheelman, after a much-enjoyed three months out of work, is back nose to the grindstone, so he won't make it this year either.  No contact with ammohead, doggone it, Bill

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.........Bill, the traditional "Duke's Room" was Sunday night, but Friday works for me in any regard. Very sorry to hear of Duke and son's probable no show. Both are fine gentleme

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Of course you're right Buckshot, Sunday night it is.  It would be a shame to meddle with a long-established tradition because of this old geezer's brain fart.  Just called the motel and re-confirmed the room for Fri, Sat,Sun nights.  It is a downstairs room so that no partygoers can roll down the stairs.  Looking forward to the festivities!  curmudgeon

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Buckshot, we WERE being quiet.  As boolit casters, we try to do something for everyone--and those folks just wanted something to complain about. 

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.........Curmudgeon, too bad we weren't a bit more flush. Then we could also rent the room above and to either side so the neighbors couldn't complain like last year. And I thought we were being so quiet too!.........Buckshot

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No sweat, Buckshot.  Last year the room was rented in Duke's name, this year in mine, and if my stepson Jaremy has a good time this year, we can use his name next year.  Besides, the odds are that a new bunch of neighbors will be there.  We can baffle the motel management with B.S. for many years to come.  Also, the motel manager is from NJ  so we can pretend we are too Western to understand her.  All that is IF the shindig is held in Winnemucca next year.  Quien sabe?

The new picture is Ok by me.  I think it shows me shooting my Marlin 1894 Cowboy, which reminds me I'd better get out to the garage and finish loading a couple hundred .44 Mags for it right now.  curmudgeon

 

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Well, it's good to know that I'm not the only one still needing to stuff hulls before NCBS.  I finished the 44-40's yesterday--the old '73 might just have to come along--and you don't want to rush those easily-crumpled thin-walled critters through a die.  Gotta finish the 32 Mags, 45-70's, and 45 ACP's now.  I had huge plans to get everything packed and ready yesterday--but when the court appearance for Monday got set aside, I went into major lollygag mode. 

First day off/on vacation and all that.......I can see I'll be a picture of sloth and decadence when I retire, for sure.  Had to watch the MLS soccer match on TV (San Jose vs. DC United), and that 14 year old kid that DC just acquired did a good job.  San Jose's Landon Donovan is a local product (Redlands), and he's something special too. 

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Reply to : curmudgeonGSRWell, it's good to know that I'm not the only one still needing to stuff hulls before NCBS. I finished the 44-40's yesterday--the old '73 might just have to come along--and you don't want to rush those easily-crumpled thin-walled critters through a die. Gotta finish the 32 Mags,45-70's, and 45 ACP's now. I had huge plans to get everything packed and ready yesterday--but when the court appearance for Monday got set aside, I went into major lollygag mode.First day off/on vacation and all that.......I can see I'll be a picture of sloth and decadence when I retire, for sure. Had to watch the MLS soccer match on TV (San Jose vs. DC United), and that 14 year old kid that DC just acquired did a good job. San Jose's Landon Donovan is a local product (Redlands), and he's something special too.&

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Allen, I am as far behind as you are.  Just yesterday, we completed the final sight-in and kid training session pre-Winnemucca.  All boolits are cast, but still have to select, size, and lubricate  314299s for the Springfield and 311413s for the No. 4 Enfield.  Then there is .30/06, .303, and .44 Spl. ammo to load.  Somehow, it always gets done, but I don't know how.  I do know that it will all come together with no time to spare on Thursday night, just in time for my 0300 wake up Friday morning.  It may have something to do with the brilliant but flaky lifestyle of southpaws.  Rest assured that the Wolf .22 LR Match Target  is ready for your test drive of my CZ 452 rifle.  Hah, at least one caliber I don't have to load!  Bill